What Maps Is Gekko Meta On?
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0:00 What Is Important (Watch This)
3:04 Ascent
4:21 Fracture
5:51 Haven
7:10 Icebox
8:27 Lotus
9:42 Pearl
11:13 Split
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Honestly I kind of see gecko taking priority on lotus and fracture just because of how often you push on defense
I can definiately see over Fade on both those maps. I think you'd def need him as a secondary initiator. I don't know if he has a primary initiator map though which may not be a bad thing.
Gekko*
Fracture is best map because of the map control you cab get on attack and pick up your utility
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Exactly what I was thinking, Dizzy sightline is a factor of course, but I definitely see him as a great push enabler to take map control, so fracture and lotus seem king. Also his ascent executes seem unparalleled if you line up your stuff correctly.
Seems really good on Fracture and Lotus, both maps where as a defender you are required or encouraged to take map controll (any area on Fracture, A main on Lotus)
In Lotus C I think you can use dizzy in waterfall to see c mound haha I love flashing the skye bird above the waterfall since you are not gonna flash your team
Gekko is the true test of whether the player is someone who likes to play by themselves vs actual team play in a TAC shooter.
In what way tho? to me he seems decent for both
@@SJ20485 If he's alone he's kinda useless IMO, how would he take back any of his util?
Initiator in general are the most team based.
@@bobbobby475 Kayo and Skye are quite self sufficient
@@chirby8913 not after the flash changes imo, not to mention Skye has an ability (heal) which literally only works on teammates
Great vid and insight on Gekko, TMV! I appreciate this tactical initial look on the potential of Gekko since most of the other content creators/streamers who had early access just posted highlights that just showed their aim and barely used their util. Ofc it's since they haven't gotten a feel yet on when to use the abilities, but yeah it's nice seeing your opinions on how to play Gekko acknowledging the need to get the orbs back.
I feel like Gekko has a lot of similar weaknesses/strengths as skye but can be used a lot more aggressively which will give him a healthy niche to fit into for some teams with very aggressive play styles *coughPRXcough*
Skye is definitely still more aggressive than him with her flash flexibiltiy and info gathering. I think in terms of 1v1 if you have all your utility, he probably is the best clutch initiator but in terms of aggression itself- Skye or Kayo would be better.
Complete opposite
Gekko and Skye I think are very much similar on theory, what makes them function differently in a team comp is that, whereas skye can heal gekko can make his pet plant the spike. This distinction is enough for teams to decide who to play between these two agents. Both are equally aggressive, but serve entirely different purposes to a team. So to speak, if we list down all initiators from the most intel gathering-oriented to the most space denial-based, we have:
Sova - Fade - Kay/o - GEKKO - Skye - Breach
@@pjjustice5014 You did not just put Gekko and Kayo above Skye for intel LMFAO. Skye is definiately below Sova and Fade for intel. That's usually why most team comps pick her over Kayo is for intel. That being said, Gekko's pop flash while good is destroyable and limited in range. I still think that puts Skye and Kayo above him for aggressiveness.
@@funkycrawler619 uhm i dont agree with gekko being below skye in intel-gathering; look, to get value out of gekko's blind, you need to position it well and above enemy's los. Whereas skye's bird gives you arbitrary info (it just tells you that someone is blinded), gekko's bird SHOOTS AT ENEMIES' position and you can see blue visual thing on the ground where the blinded enemy is standing. as to what corner the enemy is hiding. Moreover, gekko's ult is just a faster skye dog and covers more ground since of course, it's an ult. And finally, gekko's wingman resembles a skye ult in a sense that, while skye's is map-wide and locks onto 3 targets, gekko's can only detect nearby enemies like a boombot. So all in all, gekko's GATHERS MORE INTEL than skye on paper. This is why I believe Gekko, when initiators are ranked accroding to intel-gathering capability sits right between kay/o and skye.
damn ur smart tmv. i didn't even come close to thinking about playing gekko in this way
Would've been cool to see your opinion on Gekko's Breeze & Bind, since they'll probably be put back in the pool at some point, and both those maps are such huge post-plant maps where Wingman could be super useful (Think Breeze pyramid, Bind B)
I think you also have to consider how hard it is to plant/defuse on certain maps. On pearl, planting can be a huge window of weakness, and wingman just solves that. Same on Lotus to an extent. I think the defusing on pearl B and Lotus C will be huge.
For lotus you can go to the waterfall at c and throw dizzy above the opening and you can get a lot intel and you can also pick it right back up.
I took your advice to recover abilities while playing and using them many times over one round and I never have felt so grateful to someone as I to you. You the 🐐
While they aren't impenetrable, agent walls can be played around with Dizzy too:
- Viper
- Harbor
- Sage
Dizzy does have a maximum range, somewhere around 45m. You will probably never have to worry about this during a game, but it is still useful to know for places with long site lines, like Mid on Ascent or C Long on Haven.
This is a really creative way to use the agent
I'll probably play Gekko on Icebox just because you have a ton of opportunities to clear massive and extensively hard to clear areas like B long and A Maze/410 and have pretty much a safe way to pick up your util after. And of course lil bro planting the spike is a huge W as well.
This is random, but when we first saw Gekko and didn’t know what wingman was going to be used for outside of the spike, I saw how his ability turned into orbs and thought, “Oh! Wingman is going to go grab your util just like how it does things with the spike. That’s how the agent’s design is all going to come together.” Anyways, instead wingman doesn’t do that and on defense I guess we just throw a flash straight up over and over.
that honestly would've been really cool
I think gecko seems like a pretty great skye replacement in double controller on the maps hes good on
i played breach with gekko on ascent, such good potential for util combos. meta changing
Wait for the setups to come because i found some pretty insane things on most of the maps with his flash where you can flash whole sites and to take it back... the maps were ascent, heaven, fracture, lotus and pearl
3:03 brim saying open up the skies hits different now
After Skye nerf, finally I'm gonna have an initiator that suits me
I think whats also important, is how bad the retake is on a map. So the wingman gets alot more value cuz u can also combo wingman with a harbor or a sage. I think he will be good on fracture cuz of the agressive playstyle, ascent will be kinda obvois that he will be at least a tier on. Lotus and pearl also will be good i think. Icebox, Split and haven i dont know. but we will have to see if the val community can break him.
I think geeko defence is best for retake site. His dizzy can be used well on retaking sites
Wingman should have a 10 second run duration, similar to old raze it just feels like it's hard to get value out him when he can only bounce off if 1 or 2 walls per use. Sure it might be hard to recover him, but I think a greater recon distance is better
something I also like doing with dizzy, you can just bounce him off a wall to check "main" for info and it bonces back to cover where you can recover it, you can also fallow it up get a pick, and if your feeling spicy, combo with a molly to take space forcing enemy utility.
The one problem with this is if it gets shot out, that's it for the round.
@@jabronijackpot always a risk, but still worth it for info
Gekko seems exactly like my kind of Initiator
also love your vids, keep up to great work
Def side lotus, he's strong on A and C. There is a god dizzy from waterfall that clears C and lands in waterfall. Also, one in A site in tree.
on fracture, throwing dizzy through that hole in the ceiling as you come onto A site from mid is prolly broken
*Me opening a chill analysis video*
*Gets screamed at*
For haven Id mostly have Gekko’s flash be used for retake mostly on defense
My idea for split mid would be to throw flash from vents to mail and run all the way to collect it, that's the only good one...... But ull have to time it correct
I think you're under estimating how good bouncing dizzy on walls is to get him back to a safe spot for example on haven a and b you can use that instead of sending him in the sky
I think you could throw it and see over waterfall into the sandy area on c lotus
Kj maps is the biggest thing as his Molly is one of the only abilities that break her ult
you could use Dizzy over a smoke or a sage wall
He does not have unlimited range; Pearl B long for example doesn’t flash all the way back in hall. The distance threshold is located somewhere between halls/ult or and pillar
can i just point out how they called the ability that concusses you "wingman" instead of the flying one LOL especially as wingman makes you dizzy and dizzy puts like the goop on your face.
But the wingman is your wingman for spike
@@CK-kd5pn he meant WINGman instead of WINGMAN, but its still the same tho
On defence the way I see his usefulness is swinging *with* Dizzy. It’ll throw peoples spray control/reset off, you can get the pick, and take Dizzy back
Wingman on defense won't be picked up if it sees info, but chances are it sees nothing, pick it up, rotate, use it for retake/defuse
For split you could throw it from one side of mid to the other side of mid and just keep rotating thru spawn 😂
i can see people finding crazy spots to throw it from. just give it some time
Good analysis but I think your to focused on throwing straight up, dont get me wrong thats a really good way to do it but you could also throw at a wall and it will bounce back 2 u while peaking the choke, not quite as good as straght up but like in haven it could easily peak sewers or main and still be picked up. def make him more viable
gekko will bring back double initiator comps surely
Gekko is the best 5th player imo. In so many maps people often experiment double ini, double duelists, but here he can fill that role. He's like ko whose role isn't fixed.
Since you can throw his abilities up and reuse it after 10 secs, he's pretty strong. Also wingman is broken ability.
As someone with 1k+ hours on sova,fade,skye I just don’t see where gekko fits in they have tried to combine skye with raze and it’s just left an interesting agent that will probably only end up with around a 5% pick rate
Bind and breeze are really good too so when maps chances he might be more popular. But i see prx and drx constantly pick him.
He will be nerfed to death until then most probably
@@anshmittal3098 he should be... he's been given waaay too many strengths to work with... molly is too big... post pickup cd is too less... The AoE for wingman is too big... it would've been ok if the ult of single target but that's aoe as well which makes it too Op toh have two such abilities. And just having a wingman who can plant or defuse mean you have an extra guy to hold angles which again makes him one of the best agents in clutch situations. He's broken beyond belief.
In 5 years I can already see gekko being one of the worst agents in pro play. Consistency is a must to be viable in those games
In 5 years every agent will be stronger
Yea once he gets nerfed a bunch he won’t be that strong like most agents
Any agent could be the worst in 5 years depending on how riot balances them. What absolute nonsense. He is also not inconsistent.
Bro we can't predict anything concerning the state of the game in 5 years. There'll be at least 10 new maps, and 12 new agents throughout that time lol
@@gmaxVinny I think Riot won't make more than 50 agents in this game.
HAVEN, LOTUS and ICEBOX
This guy would be op asf on bind
Hmm… you can let dizzy bounce the wall and landing in the safe spot…
why is TMV always so frickin smart
I think Gekko will be good on Lotus and Icebox. On Lotus u just have so much room where u need to push and hole and fight for and even can try to get a plant, during pushing the side. On Icebox i think he will be Meta, just because Wingman will always get the plant down, because he doesnt dies instantly to util like mollys and planting the bomb on a map like Icebox is horrible.
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On lotus he might be able to spot c long better from waterfall
Dizzy has a range of 40-50m. But that's basically unlimited for most cases.
I think it won't be long riot adds a nerf such as if an enemy breaks his util by shooting at it they can no longer be picked up or maybe even adding a +5 seconds to the cool down for each consecutive use.
Why? He isn’t that powerful, I’m not sure he’s going to need a nerf. Certainly not soon.
@@Girvo747 Because he essentially has a skye info flash every 10 seconds. It's not shown in this video but even if you dodge his flash a voiceline plays saying dizzy saw someone.
And? He still only has 20 seconds to recover the orb. That's no different then fade eye or sova dart
@@typervader did you even watch the video? The point is there are going to be some map and spots his orb is going to be instantly and safely recoverable lmao
@@typervader also fade, sova and Skye have a 40 second cool down signature not 20. So Gekko's is literally a fraction of the time.
I feel like a b retake would be soo good from spawn
Nice haircut!
S tier on breeze
new meta is smite classic to make it look like you throw dizzy out
Yo great vid but I got feeling it's gonna age badly. If dizzy gets used like that it's gonna get patch 4sure
Gekko is set on the path of getting butcher like chamber...
Is Gekko high ground-low ceiling or high ground-high ceilings type of agent ? Or is it still to early to judge ?
Id say prolly mid ground high ceiling. Using him on attacks is easy af, but on defence you have to think a bit to get even decent use out of him. there are prolly ways to get creative about sound baiting enemies with his util orbs. And if you plan enough there are more than likely clutch situations where it's literally impossible to lose. Esp since I don't think you can dodge dizzy by looking away. Im pree sure you have to shoot it.
Wingmam is tooooooo damn cute
Before watching the video, here are my predictions. In order, his top maps will be: Fracture, Lotus, Ascent and then everything else.
The molly counters kj ult quite well since it hits it through walls, unless thats a bug and gets fixed
his molly only deals 150, kj ult has 200hp
@@jaeinn2820 That's true on paper but tests by content creators revealed that the mosh pit is currently destroying the lockdown on its own. This is probably a bug that'll be fixed
@@jaeinn2820 I was watching a streamer test it out and it was destroying it like even through walls, could have been a bug since it was on the test server tho, just gotta wait and see
@@pxluke01 oh ok didn’t know that, I hope there isn’t more kj nerfs 💀
Any map that Fade was meta on pre nerf...
man doesnt considered there is a 10 second cool down
He's just good on all maps just like kay/o and skye are good on almost all maps... But what makes him even better is that wingman is like the most overpowered ability in a game where you win by planting or defusing the spike.
the fact you don't have to commit a person to the spike and can hold 5v5 is just way too OP.
most overrated ability? you meant overpowered right
@@anewk7181 Yea you right.. my bad XD
if they nerf it they'll probably make wingman defuse up to half instead of full
In a practice u wouldn't be able to use dizzy for 5 times
Incoming nerfs:
-limited range on dizzy
-ult goes to 8
-limit refills to 3
It will still be called ballanced if you can refill it 3 times
And also dizzy has range of 43 meters
@@anshmittal3098 thats a really random number but ok
@@stUwUpified no its really 43 meters
Just check it
Why would you nerf Dizzy when it's not that good?
You have to physically get it back and expose yourself to the enemy .
Also, the goo on the enemy's screen disappears so quick which makes you have no time to get it back.
If yo ask me, it needs some kind of buff, even if it's a little.
I feel like in defense another iniciator is gonna be needed...
I'm not sure he'll be meta anywhere as he is now. Doing things like this A execute you mention at 1:14 seem good on paper, but really you're waiting ~14 seconds minimum between each use of the ability (1 to run over, 3 for the pick up, 10 for the CD), and that's assuming you don't get contested on it in any way. Those seconds are really valuable if you're planning a fast exec, and I think often times they're not worth losing for 1~2 more mediocre flashes when you could have just brought something like kayo or breach instead and not have to wait at all. Maybe you can play a slower pace and do more of a default style with it, but I see problems with pacing being a big issue for this guy.
On lotus B site, maybe you can bounce dizzy to the wall beside the ult orb, so when it lands, it lands in. More safe spot?instead of doing just the vertical throw, maybe use horizontal one this time?
Maybe they nerfed Raze’s roomba duration to make Gekko’s wingman seem better?
their rationale was that it is way too good of an info gathering tool for a duelist. it could clear as many angles as a drone or dog, which in retrospect seems ridiculous. it seems based on wingman that they don't want any set-and-forget ability to clear that much space, plus he has a completely unique ability (plant/defuse) aside from clearing angles so it shouldn't be in the top tier at doing that.
Ngl, gekko might be super good on breeze no?
So the main take-away is to use Dizzy like a Fade reveal, got it
Fade Reveal in most cases. But it's actually a Reyna eye up close.
All
what about retake dizzies
gekko on breeze 0_o
Gekko will get nerfs in some way in his abilities but having a potential dfuse bot he will be the best clutch player in 1v1's even 1v2's he will be heavily played forever simple everything else is a plus
throwing gekko’s molly down Lotus A main seems like it’d be strong
I think it's still worse than raze nade. Mosh is barely a molly, more like a slow orb type of skill.
gekko is such a cool agent. we finally have an initiator that has a low skill floor and the way he plays is so unique, eventually I can see a feature where pro teams have all sorts of agent comps to cater to their play style
So early it shows no views
ill be honest not a huge fan of this agents abilities when it comes to playing against, like the flash just looks clunky and annoying, i am fine with the other ones, but if they keep adding weird ass abilities idk
edit: rly dont like the fact when u turn around it still flashes u, the orbs all over the map a bit weird
I disagree with your take, I think Gekko would be meta on Icebox because of meta plants been done by "little friend", and for using dizzy to farm easy kills when attackers are pushing onto a site. But in Attack side, he will struggle more than on Defense, however, most agents do suffer on Defense side, like Harbor; thus, combined with Harbor, your team will be one balanced force to fight.
what knife is that?
BTP knife
if he does become meta and op, a good nerf would be to increase the cooldown everytime you pick it up so it would go from 10 to 15 and so on
Gekko mains be playing fps pokemon
what maps ARE gekko meta on 🤓
early gangg ftw
I hope tmv can get back to talking about gameplay for the masses, not just the top 10% of players
I think you should change the title to What Maps *Are* Gekko Meta on
the verb is always declined according to the subject of the sentence which is Gekko in this sentence so is is correct
Lol what...why...gekko is the subject in this sentence which is singular
shouldn't be like 'on which maps is gekko meta'
@@selfmadelineup5631 Damn, you're right. Thanks for that I'm trying to practice my English as a non-native speaker.
@@handsomechain5991 yeah all love man also I'm not a native speaker myself 😂
if its only about dizzy then you might as well play skye because her flash is on a recharge, dont need to risk anything.
Well no the idea is that most of the other abilities are gonna get a certain amount of value on all maps whereas dizzy is one where there is more potential to pick it up consistently
@@ThinkingMansValorant right. So it's more about the whole set of skills being reusable. Not just dizzy. Like I said. If it's just dizzy the. Skye is just better.
Kind of troll to base his map viability on 1 way to use 1 ability no? Like dizzy is literally a flash you can't turn. Also I can see Mosh being insane in a lot of situations, and can b used to stall a hit
Well the value out of this agent is being able to reuse abilities several times. If he can only reliably use abilities once or twice a round, then there are other agents that you would get more value out of
Gecko is weak on long range maps
Tryhard boring ahh game