2 Israeli Phantoms vs 28 Egyptian MiGs, 1973 - Animated
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The Yom-Kippur war begins with a massed aerial assault by Egyptian MiGs against Israeli military targets, including Israeli airfields in the Sinai Peninsula. A wing of 28 Egyptian MiG-17s and MiG-21s arrive at Ofir Air Base, where 2 Israeli "Kurnass" fighters, the Israeli name for the F-4 Phantom, have just managed to scramble in time. Heavily outnumbered, the two Phantom crews will fight to defend the base against 28 enemy aircraft in a dangerous dogfight.
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@Don't Read My Profile Photo we’re not
@Don't Read My Profile Photo Ok sure, we aren't going to
I cant believe that the guy who said no to the F-4s scrambling wasnt executed for treason, that sort of thing (not allowing jets to defend the base) is very dodgy
@@De_cool_dude Pretty sure he died. I'm not certain, the video didn't specify, but the Migs bombing the airbase probably killed him.
You should make a video on the air battle Rimon 20, where the Israeli Air Force went up against the Soviet Air Force during the final stages of the War of Attrition.
Two aircraft scrambling themselves to defend against an imminent attack on their airbase; sounds like a real life 1st mission of an Ace Combat game.
Yea I had ace combat 3 and in a phantom all them russian planes I used to put it on em. Bein spun up and bein spun down at the fore moment was the trick it dont turn as tight fast
100%....real life can be crazy like movies dor video games, its wild.
Ace Combat Israel: The Sinai War
Two F-4s no less, which is usually the beginner plane in that game
This would be great inspiration for a mission if we ever got a cold-war era Ace Combat
Take a moment to appreciate how fast this is happening and the decisions are being made. The video looks slow, but consider the speeds at which dogfights take place.
Even the narrator can't keep up,we would need a soccer guy.
they are clutching in war thunder realistic mode
Probably wasn't too quick tbh. They're tracking Mig-17s and they usually cruise around 700kph IAS with ordnance and fuel.
@@a_stone wiki says the entire engagement was 6 minutes!
@@testy462 Never mind then, that phantom would've been doing some quick passes! 😂
IDF's official motto should be "F*** Around and Find Out".
My Dad built those Phantoms. After 27 years in the Navy as their best mechanical engineer, Dad retired to work for McDonnell Aircraft Corporation. Dad could tear apart and reassemble a phantom while blindfolded. Earlier in his career, he worked shoulder to shoulder with Igor Sikorski and Frank Pisecki, the pioneers of helicopters in the USA. When the USA created the Helicopter Mechanic Specialist Certification, Dad was awarded US Navy Helicopter Mechanic Specialist #1. God, he was good. A legend in the Aviation wing of the Navy. He had the chops to occasionally take me to work and let me play. (Mom wanted me out of her hair.) I loved crawling through the jets that did not yet have their engines. Good times.
Dad loved the Phantom.
Over 5000 Phantoms built. Great pkane.
My dad also worked at McDonnell Douglas on the Phantom. He was an electrical engineer that designed the wiring for the weapons systems, and also worked as a contractor to the USAF for the RF-4E (as a McDonnell employee)
No, the greatest plane.
my uncle works on blackhawks in stratford CT. those men take great pride in what they do
My grandpa was responsible for downing 17 Mess. 109s in WW2. He was the worst mechanic in the German Luftwaffe.
@@3jasonwebb well I know he didn’t help with the Berlin airlift
It‘s a miracle that they were able to chase down seven MIGs so effectivelx given all the drag generated by their enormous balls. Amazing skills!
Proof Egypt put zero effort into the engagement, even when they were on the phantoms six they didn't shoot.
being circumcised gave them less air resistance
@@zackwaffen9210 being circumcised has no relation to aerodynamics and for your knowledge Egyptians are also circumcised.😂😂😂
@@zackwaffen9210 it's common knowledge that the foreskin is basically a parachute.
They don't call the F-4 "The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics" for nothing. Also, these pilots prove the Phantom's other nickname "The world's leading distributor of MIG parts." is no empty boast.
7:36 : The first F-4E models had a problem with gun gasses getting sucked into the the engines. When that happened the affected engine compressor stalled & would shut down. There was a cannon shroud (the Midas IV modification) which fixed this, but as of 1973 it was still being retrofitted and some Kurnass models still had the original flawed gun barrel. After his gun pass on the MiG-17 , the cannon gasses likely caused the shut down of one of the F-4Es engines.
Thanks for the info, I actually didn't know about that issue before. You learn something new everyday.
The A-10 suffered from a similar problem, which is why the ignitors for both engines continuously fires when the gun is firing
@@MommyKhaos That's the most american solution to a problem like this that I can think of.
Wow. Thanks for the detailed information!
@@timbraska6750 tbh wouldn't you agree building an airplane around a gattling gun sounds like a completely American idea? Brrrrrrrrrrttt
Amir Nahumi became an ace during this war (Yom Kippur war) and double ace during the 1st Lebanon war(started in June 1982) as a 110 squadron leader . Daniel Shuki distinguished himself in Yom Kippur war, sadly during the 1st Lebanon war he mistakenly dropped bombs on his own motorized/tank unit and many were killed. As a result his promotion was suspended and he was forced into retirement.
This story is fanfiction. Might as well believe the SS liberty account
@@ranro7371 never though I’d see a liberty incident denier
Вопрос, почему ваши мусульмане бегут не в страны ислама, где у вас одна вера, один народ, обычаи, климат даже еда, а в страны Запада к неверным кафирам . Во-вторых, почему ваши исламские страны, такие как Саудовская Аравия, страны Персидского залива и т. д., не принимают своих беженцев, мусульман единоверцев, в-третьих, почему вы со всех сторон повторяете, что ислам - это религия справедливости и равенства, но вы этого не делаете.Не допускайте неверных кафиров-зимми в ваши города Мекку и Медину, но вас пускают везде, в Ватикан, в храмы Будды Кришны, Стену Плача, Храм Христа Спасителя и другие святыни разных вероисповеданий. Разве это не расизм, фашизм и деление людей на людей первого сорта, то есть вас, мусульман, и прочих второсортных унтерменшей? А также почему у вас предусмотрена смертная казнь для мусульман, принявших другую веру и оставивших ислам, и в то же время вы ведете открытую пропаганду в странах Запада и других неисламских странах по продвижению вашего ислама и даже создаете там шариатские ополчения, хотя это является прямым нарушением конституций тех стран Запада, в которых вы живете, принявших вас в качестве беженцев, но при этом вы запрещаете пропаганду в своих странах любой другой веры, кроме ислама, и за это подвергаетесь смертная казнь. Разве это не расизм и исламский фашизм?
@@jesusmora6336 so tell us all about it, genius
"Sir! We are outnumbered 14 to 1!"
"Then it is an even fight."
This wasn't the only time this happened.
In some cases - having multiple targets can be an advantage; it depends on your tactics
@@nissimhadar
Lol!
@@Endrin911 What?
i mean it was an even fight mig17 cant carry missiles (some variants hzd k-5 tho)and doesnt have a radar meanwhile the phantom has 8 missiles
@@dadolphinplayz 4 MiG-17s could have easily outfought a Phantom.
And there were MiG-21s there; these are pretty good fighters.
What the MiGs were missing was training, and balls
The guy trying to avoid getting shot down, and flew into the sea is me when I fly jets in Battle Field games
It's a nice reminder that pilots are people and people make mistakes.
@@pretzelbomb6105 especially in a jet with poor outward visibility like a Mig-21. Trying to see some one behind you so you can guess when to jink.
!YOU ARE LEAVING THE BATTLEFIELD AREA! PLEASE RETURN!
Still playing Battlefield Vietnam.
@@bcluett1697 soviet jets notoriously had bad rear visibility until like the way way later jets, he probably couldn’t see at all
The overwhelming success of the Phantom crews is like something out of a movie.
*ace combat game
Nah, if this was in a movie, nobody would believe it ;-)
movie when
given that they're Israeli probably never lmao. I would be very keen to see it though! 🤣
Meh. The Migs were vastly outclassed by the F4E. There is a whole generation of difference in terms of jet fighter generation. I also doubt that egyptian pilots were prepared and trained enough, as it is generally the case for second class regimes which buy lots of equipment but then cant maintain it properly or even make their pilots fly sufficiently due to the additional costs that they cant support because they are too stupid and/or irrealistic with their budgets. Overwhelming success for sure, nothing surprising though, and it would make for a very crappy movie for anyone who has a clue...
I was 16 and at my Saftas (grandmothers) house in Rehovot, just a few miles from Tel Nof Airbase. Before we heard any news on the radio, we knew something was up because of the non stop sound of our fighters over head.
My uncle flew during the Yom Kippur war. Said the Mirage and the F4 were the best jets to fly. Strapped them to your back and flew them I recall him saying. Went on to be a brigadier general but died very young of cancer. Proud of that man for defending Israel.
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That's exactly why they left Sinai to egypt
I’ve always believed the single greatest strength of the Phantom and the Tomcat were the second set eyes in the backseat.
It does help a lot. There are however drawbacks to a 2 seater
@@dimesonhiseyes9134 Interesting, would it be something like less individual control of the aircraft? I'm no expert
Certainly situational, but with so many opponents it had to have helped.
@@a.wenger3964 less internal fuel capacity and more weight usually. That is why planes meant for dogfighting are usually 1 seaters ( F16 for example) and planes for Beyond Visual Range fighting or Strike missions are two seaters (F14, F-4) basically the second person has little control over the aircraft but manages radar, communication among other things essentially takes workload of the pilot
@@a.wenger3964 off the top of my head, 2 seaters as a general rule are less maneuverable and bigger targets. Which means theoretically they are easier to hit. Theoretically of course.
They often have less range and require a lot of maintenance compared to smaller aircraft. To keep the post short there are many reasons for this of course.
Crew requirements and training are also more of an investment compared to single seat aircraft.
None of this is to say that 2 seaters are bad. It's just that there are just different considerations.
I had heard about a situation in the opening hours of the Yom Kippur war where an Israeli tank commander in the Golan Heights saw the Coalition forces advancing and radioed out fake orders to imaginary Israeli tanks. The Arab forces intercepted the messages and in a panic started shooting their own forces.
You're thinking of Svicka Greengold and 'Force Svicka'.
best fake out ever
@opener of the world
sigh, it always makes me sad to see another Egyptian who actually believes they won the 73 war.
@opener of the world This wasn't a defeat for Egypt. It was a humiliation.
@@terryboland3816 Egypt loses the war but Sina return back to Egypt when the dumbest people talking and argue
Wow, as an Israeli I did not know this. I heard mainly about the tank battles at the northern front. Thank you kind sir.
This is indeed the case when it comes to the information known about the Yom Kippur war amongst the public. Probably because more people are involved and the Israeli armored counterattacks blunted a lot of the Egyptian offensive.
@@hummerskickass you are mistaken sir .. Israeli armored counterattacks took heavy losses because of Sagger missiles beside AT squads along the canal .. the only mistake that Egypt makes, it was when Israel invaded the deversoar gap, Egypt hasn't respond in full force while 80% of it's troops were standing still without any fight.. #Egyptian
@@MrScuba0uhh source...?
@@doopboop8359 your own officers Admit that in a TV show, and i mean it against Egypt not syria
„Thank you kind sir“ 😂😂 Hindutva I swear to god 😂
A full breakdown of the invasion of Okinawa would be SO cool to see. I’ve been binging these videos. You’ve won yourself a long term subscriber!
We landed at that airfield when deployed for the MFO. While there, we learned about the Camp David Accords which returned the Sinai to Egypt. When the Israelis pulled out, they offered to sell the airfield buildings & equipment to Egypt. When Egypt said "no", the Israelis blew up everything of value on that airfield (and others I presume).
Outstanding.
What a shame.
Understandable, probably due to the Egyptians being afraid of being bugged
I remember many of you guys coming to Maadi in Cairo to get a little R&R. Fun times back then.
@gamer for life its because we dont want to give them for free.
Initiative and controlled aggression are classic fighter pilot hallmarks, and these two crews became poster boys for their profession. Also have to give the WSOs credit for keeping focus when more control was needed to overcome excess adrenaline.
The IDF, despite whatever one may think of them, cannot be regarded as anything less than one of the most well trained fighting forces in the world, especially during the 60-80s.
The Israeli heuristic, in my experience, is weighted more towards “forgiveness” than “permission”.
Gort, Solly's friend?
@@samivwow I've suspended playing DCS and participating in his project, but we still have contact occasionally.
@@gort8203 Heh, what are the chances of meeting ya in the comments. Take care!
Uuh...how is this not a movie?!? It would be incredible!
Well to be fair it'd be like a 15 minute movie
@@alexanderb996 Yeah, I did think about that 😆
Tom gun: Isreali
@@alexanderb996Don’t estimate a director’s ability to drag movies for hours. Top Gun: Maverick could have been like 15 minutes long but all of the stuff before the bunker attack stretched it out.
Because its not real its the American AA system that destroyed the MIGS but i guess for the sake of a show they been told this story
Beautiful video as usual! Hope you will explore the naval aspects of this war too, as the battles of Latakia and Damietta-Baltim were turning points in naval warfare!
@opener of the world that is interesting! Buy I was introducing a different topic 😊
Here's a very short 8mm clip of one of the migs going down 1:21 in the video, followed by a few shots of the phantom and migs later on : czcams.com/video/U8ASv4SDBT8/video.html
"We went on a picnic in Sharm. Suddenly at noon we saw dozens of mig aircrafts in the sky north. We didn't understand what was going on, we didn't know war broke out. I went on a hill with my super-8, and suddenly saw a phantom chasing 4 migs, lifted up the camera and recorded ... The mig was engulfed in flames, rolled up and dived into the bay. The rest of the migs scattered and fled. Only in the evening did we realize that a war broke out, the Yom Kippur War"
Thanks, for the find and the translation. Another piece of history on film hiding away!
Thank you
thats awesome, thank you
Amazing, thank you! I wonder how long it would take for AIs to be able to easily remove all the film-noise, a year?
fantastic, now honour your high standards of ethics by leaving the West Bank and Golan Heights. Hypocrites.
"We have you 14 to 1"
ISRAEL:"I like those odds..."
Israel: "Then it is a fair fight."
If you don't count the sponsor and epilogue bits, this video is 9 minutes long, but this entire dogfight was over in 6 minutes!
This engagement is insane!
I think this is the definition of „target-rich environment“
It’s beyond me how they managed to survive the attack while also downing 7 aircraft in the process
They had guided munitions. the enemy did not.
@@zello8722 F4 has 9 hard points, so even if the F4 was fully fitted with sidewinders that still leaves 10 of the 28 MiGs untouched by guided munitions
@@liamvanburen6725 only 7 were downed.
@@aborecki still a 7-0 win rate in a 28 vs 2 battle, this is a massive loss for Egypt. Also are we to realistically assume that aircraft that weren't cleared to taxi were fully fitted with 9 A2A missiles a piece?
I'm guessing the MiGs were all configured in air to ground mode, so they would only have their guns for protection. A MiG-17 can out-turn an F-4 but is much slower, while a MiG-21 is closer to an F-4 in speed but would have difficulty keeping up with it in maneuvers, particularly given its poor cockpit visibility. Fuel would also be a consideration - they wouldn't be able to loiter for long over the airfield, so they'd be wanting to head back as soon as possible, to ensure they can make it home.
This is litterally the best channel on CZcams.
If you like animated death more than literally everything else, sure, mate, whatever
@@dlscorpyes, we love animated death
@@dlscorp cope lmao
@@dlscorp Why are you so angry? lmao
@DL Scorp More than spelling, anyway.
Excellent telling of this account.
What a spectacular career Gen. Nahumi has had in military aviation; just short of triple jet ace and in Operation Opera, a part of one of the most daring and successful raids in military aviation.
Kadima IAF.
2 vs 28.... and managed to lose 7 planes.... Who the hell trained them??
Russians. It's also about the hierarchy system of Arab armies. You can't be better then someone who's higher in the hierarchy.
Israeli pilots are highly motivated and really skilled.
@@ID-8491 Well said
Soviet pilots trained them, however it's also important to note two things. One, is that the F-4E vs the MiG-17 is just not a fair fight. While the MiG-17 is more agile than the Phantom, the Phantom has better avionics, better weapons, and better radar. Two, the historical doctrine of a lot of these air forces in the Middle East, such as Egypt, was to just get pilots into planes. They just needed to churn out as many pilots as possible to prop up their air force in an affordable way. Training was not something that was given a high priority. They were just taught how to fly the plane and just basics about dogfighting, and that was good enough. That doesn't mean the Soviet pilots were poorly trained, but that means that the Egyptian government didn't give the Soviet pilots really any ample opportunity to train their Egyptian counterparts to better than adequate standards. It's why it was mostly MiG-17s that the Egyptians bought, at this time in the Cold War, the MiG-17 was like the real life version of the TIE Fighter. This is in contrast to Israel where American pilots trained the Israeli pilots, and both the U.S and Israeli governments gave ample opportunity and resources for training because of necessity. The U.S needed Israel as an ally in the region, and Israel was literally surrounded by enemies.
Another great video from the The Operations Room! Informative and entertaining as usual. The F-4 was a beast of an airplane, and very deadly in the hands of a skilled flight team.
i'm curious about the migs. they didn't seem to ever attempt interception? are migs no good in air to air? or were they perhaps exclusively armed with air to ground munitions?
@@ericaugust1501 I think the migs were primarily armed for ground strike, or perhaps they thought the F-4s had run away if they saw them take off at all. Still you would think some of the migs should have been doing overwatch. Don't know if it was poor planning, poor training or a mixture of the two.
@@doberski6855 I disagree, the Egyptian had 8 MIG-21s in that group, MIG-21 was designed as interceptor. In this case, I believe the saying "training matters a lot" is true here.
In the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese Air Force used its MIG-17 and MIG-21 to great success even with the big difference in number of planes (in the U.S favor).
It was so great that it lost to mig 21 in Vietnam against good but not very good Vietnamese pilots
@@ericaugust1501 the Migs were completely outclassed, they were the previous (second) generation of air fighters when F4E was a beast from 3rd generation. Also most certainly poorly skilled, poorly trained and unprepared pilots on egyptian side, when israelis have serious training and preparation in all fields.
Training is key. Clearly a great gap between Egyptian and Israeli training and skill
Operation Badr?battle of Suez? Air battle of Mansoura? battle of Ismailia? operation Tatar? Battle of Al-Adabiya port?🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬
Air battle of mansoura look it up
@@liljojo8813Battle of Latakia, Zvika Greengold’s 20+ tank kill rampage, the absolute curbstomp of Egypt in 1967, and that all of the wars Arab countries started with Israel ended with the Arabs losing.
Nahumi is a legend. 8 years later led the squadron which destroyed the Iraqi reactor thousands of kilometers behind enemy lines.
The best, I love seeing Israeli wins against all odds. Amazing!
Meanwhile in the air base:
Radio Operator: "Today's my birthday! A victory sure would be nice."
If anything, this demonstrates exactly who had more hours in their respective airframe. Those Israeli pilots were STUDS. They absolutely were at every disadvantage they could have been and still cleaned house in dogfights against a platform that had much more maneuvering ability than they did.
The planes and level of training made the outcome inevitable, poor training and outdated airframes Vs excellent airframe which has a generational advantage, pair that with extensive flight hours and pilot training and it was only ever going to end one way.
Aggression and initiative were evident, too - and the crew of two in the Phantoms appears to have been a telling factor. All together, a powerful combination.
dude the egyptians were flying MIG 17´s, they are literally a subsonic first generation jet that stands no change against a PHANTOM - so no, the israelis had the advantage (superior speed, radars and missiles). Mig 17 only has VERY SLOW cannons and unguided rockets, try hitting a phantom at mach 1 with that its almost impossible. Although i would say the egyptian pilots didnt fly well either.
@@nazeem8680 MiG 17s did manage several phantom kills in vietnam, it's not impossible although the Phantom is the superior airframe in most ways. the phantoms were heavily outnumbered here (and where did the mig 21 escort go off to?) this was a mix of pilot skill, equipment and training all playing into each other
@@Skyiflyf24 does one F-4B and one F-4D really count as several?
Thank you. This was very informative.
Superb demonstration of trained ability. By teaching their best pilots the capabilities of their own craft as well as what the enemy was capable of and how to counter them, these two Phantom crews were able to perform at their best in such a situation.
I was witness, from an Israeli Air Force base, to Mole Cricket 19. The biggest jet air battle in history. Totally insane.
what were you doing there?
"Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot"
I was 16yo and went to what was supposed to be a schoolweek volunteer work at an Israeli AFB. Me and a classmate helped put in a spare technical library for F15s.
About day or two into our stay the operation started. F15s roaring with full weapon loads coming back with partial loads. No buzzing towers or anything. The takeoff noise, one after the other, on and on, was amazing. There was a smell in the air from all the afterburner fuel.
We started to hear from the radio of the results and they sounded too good to be true, especially since it was 5 years after the Yom Kippur War in which the IAF suffered many losses to SAMs.
After the first night they remembered they had kids on the base and sent us home in a hurry.
At the end it was 100 kills or so to none, in addition to the destroyed SAMs.
I witnessed it from above..... ;)
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Amazing video as always. Keep up this amazing work :) I would love to watch more clips about this conflict, even tho i probably watch all available videos on yt about this war.
This story is straight out a film, thankyou for sharing this with us.
Amir Nahumi has a wonderful history to becoming a pilot!
You do a great job of making it too where a layman like me can understand what went on in these operations! Thanks for your time and work!
@opener of the world still lost and bro yall had 28 planes💀
I love when Ops Room makes the basically a better History Channel "Dogfights" videos
Keep this up dude!
Yeah a lot of the history dogfights shows would drag too much ie one dogfight spread out over an hour. The best episodes were ones where they told a few different stories in one show.
I miss Dogfights.
The F-4 has been my favorite fighter jet since I was a child, during the late 70's & early 80's...
This story literally sounds like every first mission of every ace combat game.
an inexperience pilot seated in a F4 trying to defend his airbase from enemy bomber.
The only thing that's missing the "First flight" ost playing on the background haha.
Marvelous story and terrific delivery of the story, alongside the quality of information with the help of very good research, this is one of my top ten sources of recent history
I was thinking yesterday, about how I'd love to watch a new OR video. Brilliant timing, with an excellent video as usual. Thanks
Man shot down 4 enemy planes in one battle almost becoming an ace, then still goes on to become a double, almost triple ace.
Splendid as always and now one of my must-watch channels. Would you consider doing away with the aircraft shadows in future videos? When viewing on the phone it appears as twice as many aircraft.
There isn't many of these type stories I've never heard of before, this was one. Well done, as always.
Aren't.
@@siler7 Well done, my fellow nitpicker.
Nitpicking is a lifestyle ©
@opener of the world en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation
I have read this story before on a book, and now you made this into a great animation
Excellant marksmanship General ! I worked on F-4 J's and had to change 33 shock struts while aboard the USS Forrestal w/ VMFA-115 I fell in Love with Phantoms J-79's are rockets at Max Climb statis
can you make one about operation "focus" in the six days war?
We need to stop and appreciate the insane level bravery this took.
What these guys did was nothing short of miraculous.
It's just one battle out there, there is dozens battles like that between Israel and egypt
@@eldadholostoy3775---And I wasn't talking about those battles. Just this one.
Not really it's more like going to a fight with a rifle while your opponent is holding a sword. Israel had the US supplying them with their latest technology while the Egyptians were flying glorified late 50s jets. None of the MIGs had radars. Yet they lost the war
@@SonicStan---And yet these guys were outnumbered 14 to 1. The odds were against them. And yet they prevailed. I won't hesitate to repeat this is need be.
@@brokenbridge6316 This isn't how air to air combat works. What will numbers do if your enemy can shoot you down kilometers away while you can't even fire your guns at them unless you're less than 800m away. The odds were only against them because they invaded a a land that is not theirs hence the fear and lack of motivation. Everything else was in their favour, the US made sure to supply them with the latest equipment they had. Do your own research first.
Military Aviation legend says that Freebird was playing the entire time, which is particularly impressive when you consider that the song wouldn't come out until 1974
Wow. One of the best, easy to understand videos. Great story, great job. Peace
Love your content, I just recently discover it, and i'm completely hooked. 💯
Israeli Air Force: "Let's see here, we got 2 Phantoms, and you guys have one, two, three....ten...fifteen...twenty-three....twenty-eight. Twenty-eight MiGs. Looks like you need to go back to Egypt and get some more MiGs."
*Great video, looking forward to your next videos❣❣*
Thank you for sharing this story
Love the work bro, keep it up my guy!!!
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“Skill issue”
Compare the abilities of the two machines..
I can only imagine the intense impatience one would feel as they got a MIG in their sight, ready to fire, but you have to wait until the lock alarm goes off.
"Come on, com'on,Com'ON,COMON!!!"
"SHREEEET"
"YES!" fires sidewinder...
Have you considered making the Battle of the Bulge series into one long video like KingsAndGenerals often does after finishing a series? Seems like it'd be pretty successful. Love your content btw!
Why would you want Ops Room to make a video of what's in my pants?
Sounds just like a famous story during the attack on Pearl Harbor, when U.S. pilots George Welch and Kenneth Taylor managed to get airborne from Haleiwa with ther P-40's being under fire-twice-and shot down at least six Japanese planes between them. :)
December 6, 1941, Welch and Taylor were alarmed to hear low-flying planes, explosions and machine-gun fire above them. After learning that two-thirds of the planes at the main bases of Hickham and Wheeler Fields had been destroyed or damaged so badly that they were unable to fly, they leaped into action. Without orders, Taylor called Haleiwa and commanded the ground crew to prepare their Curtiss P-40 Tomahawks for takeoff. Meanwhile, Welch ran to get Taylor’s new Buick. Still wearing their tuxedo pants from the night before, the two pilots drove the 11 miles to Haleiwa, reaching speeds of 100 mph along the way.
Without orders, Taylor called Haleiwa and commanded the ground crew to prepare their Curtiss P-40 Tomahawks for takeoff. Meanwhile, Welch ran to get Taylor’s new Buick. Still wearing their tuxedo pants from the night before, the two pilots drove the 11 miles to Haleiwa, reaching speeds of 100 mph along the way.
At the airstrip, Welch and Taylor jumped into their P-40s, which by that time had been fueled but not fully armed. They attracted Japanese fire immediately after taking off, facing off virtually alone against some 200 to 300 enemy aircraft. When they ran out of ammunition, they returned to Wheeler to reload. As senior officers ordered the pilots to stay on the ground, the second wave of Japanese raiders flew in, scattering the crowd. Taylor and Welch took off again, in the midst of a swarm of enemy planes.
Though Welch’s machine guns were disconnected, he fired his .30-caliber guns, destroying two Japanese planes on the first sortie. On the second, with his plane heavily damaged by gunfire, he shot down two more enemy aircraft. A bullet pierced the canopy of Taylor’s plane, hitting his arm and sending shrapnel into his leg, but he managed to shoot down at least two Japanese planes, and perhaps more. (He was officially credited with two kills, Welch with four.)
Welch and Taylor were among only five Air Force pilots who managed to get their planes off the ground and engage the Japanese that morning. Total American aircraft losses at Pearl Harbor were estimated at 188 planes destroyed and 159 more damaged, while the Japanese lost just 29 planes. Welch and Taylor received the Distinguished Service Cross, becoming the first to be awarded that distinction in World War II. Welch was nominated for the Medal of Honor, the military’s highest award - but was reportedly denied because his superiors maintained he had taken off without proper authorization (!!!!!) 😵💫😵 For his injuries, Taylor received the Purple Heart.
After Pearl Harbor, George Welch flew nearly 350 missions in the Pacific Theater during World War II, shooting down 12 more planes and winning many other decorations. A bout with malaria in 1943 put an end to his wartime career, landing him in a hospital in Sydney, Australia (where he met his wife). After the war, Welch became a test pilot for North American Aviation. According to some claims, he became the first pilot to break the Mach-1 barrier with an unauthorized flight over the California desert in 1947, several weeks before Chuck Yeager’s famous flight. Sadly, Welch was killed in 1954 while ejecting from his disintegrating F-100 Super Sabre fighter jet during a test flight.
Ken Taylor headed to the South Pacific after Pearl Harbor, where he flew out of Guadalcanal and was credited with downing another Japanese aircraft. But his combat career was cut short after someone fell on top of him in a trench during an air raid on the base, breaking his leg. He went on to become a commander in the Alaska Air National Guard and rose to the rank of brigadier general over 27 years of active duty. In addition to the Distinguished Service Cross, Taylor was awarded the Legion of Merit, the Air Medal and other decorations. In his post military career, he worked as an insurance underwriter. Taylor died in Tucson, Arizona in 2006, at the age of 86.
www.history.com/news/heroes-of-pearl-harbor-george-welch-and-kenneth-taylor
Great video! I always know that I can Like these videos before watching! Give us more!
Both the Entebbe video and this one has convinced me that Israel has unbelievable courage.
Yeah unbelievable courage throwing gernades at children ans reporters
@@ntlasanga4267 what about firing rockets at a school bus, or blowing up kids at a disco?
How about killing people in a restaurant?
Israel does not throw grenades at children - that is a lie
@@ntlasanga4267 You simply dishonour now all Arab soldiers who died, Pathetic.
im reading this exact story on the book "Fighters Over Israel" by Lon Nordeen with the story told in first person by these pilots.. it's giving me goosebumps
Outstanding work on this!
Damn imagine how embarrassed those Egyptian pilots were
They might not have a2a missiles as the primary mission seems to be destruction of ground targets.
Mig 17 and 21 dont have a lot of hardpoints. 2 rocket pods or 2 bombs was max they carried
Even 21 has like 4 hardpoints max.
Any a2g role mig 17/21 was practically defenceless in a2a
@@hiteshadhikari but they wouldn't send it with a fighter escort? They were just hoping for the Israelis to respond incompetently (like they did)?
@@ZbjetisGod i have done a long comment for this, kindly read it
My belief is the small number of mig 21 in this were escorts for a strike package of mig 17.
Although remember that both mig 17/21 have limited endurance
@@hiteshadhikari just read your longer comment it doesn't really address what happened to the fighter escort for attacking an enemy airbase.
@@ZbjetisGod coment section of it
As in main comment, i mentioned the endurance issues of the mig 21 ( its a sr interceptor) ,they flew in low, even lesser endurance .
Their role was to deal with any resistance on way so 17 could strike , once bombing started they most likely turned back because mig 21 at best gets 45 mins of flying and flying low and fast would have reduced it further, they basically were escorts till target and after that its mostly expected the strike package will get back safely on its own
It seems like the Egyptian pilots lacked air to air combat skills due to limited training. Unfortunately they didn't utilize the full combat capabilities of the aircrafts in their possession. Both the Mig-21 and Mig-17s were more than capable in outmaneuvering the F-4 in a dogfight.
That was a generall problem in the arab countries in that age....they had something in terms of equipment...but not enough training.
That isn't correct. The MiG-17 is a sitting duck for an F-4. MiG-21s are better, but no match for a trained F-4 crew.
@@nissimhadar They should have been able to shoot down both Phantoms with their overwhelming presence, even with say 3-4 losses of their own. That they failed comes down to indifference and lack of training. They didn't even hit the runways correctly as the Phantoms had no trouble landing, most bombs hit the edges or impacted outside the runways. It's one thing to be able to take off, navigate to target, and then release weapons, but an entirely different thing to actual perform well with any given equipment in a combat situation.
@@IronWarrior86 Yes, I agree with that. Superiority in numbers should have given them the advantage.
that's real bravery and competence.
@opener of the world It's bravery anymway if you are 2 against so many planes. you can die very easily up there. and these things shouldn't be valued according to your political ideas or opinions. You can recognize the bravery of your enemy if you're strong enough to do so.
Absolute legends.
I'm just here to watch another spectacular Egyptian failure from the Yom Kippur War
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SoonTM
I was not disappointed
My favorite moment was probably when the one pilot crashed himself
Biggest clutch in Israel history tbh
just Imagine all those spectacular Egyptian failures but in the end, Israel started a war, invaded its neighbor, and still was forced to leave and give it all back.
What an incredible story and so well told. I love this channel.
@opener of the world All great points. I wasnt there. Please enlighten.
Didnt say was the truth, just said it was a great story.
Absolutely nothing of what you've said contradicts this video. And we are working on the Battle of Mansoura...
As an average italian that was born at the end of the Cold War I can say that the Phantom II F4 is still today my favorite cacciabombardiere. Americans really nailed it. Well, except for that initial bug of lacking main guns but, it was quickly fixed, so. 🤗👍
Another amazing video! Superb content! 👌
The 2 Phantoms - *Who is it that you think you see? Everyday I walk outside the door and there's a guy standing there pointing a gun. No... I'M THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!*
Reading some of the comments there is a lot of discussion about the specs of the planes. Whilst the F4s and munitions had some advantages, I am reminded as an amateur photographer of the comment "good photo, you must have a great camera" :o its the pilot that wins, not the planes. And to go into battle against such numbers. These are the best of the best.
What do you mean by some? They had all of the advantages minus being able to do tight turns like a subsonic aircraft
@@user-bk8dq4ys1u Thats an extreme example of a stick against a bullet. However two planes from similar times - it depends on the pilots training, competence and bravery.
"It's not the plane. It's the pilot"
Captain Pete "Maverick" Mitchell, USN.
I was hoping you'd upload videos about the Yom Kippur War, thank you!
This is an excellent video! There are not so many videos of this quality that address Israeli military actions; win or lose.
For Hebrew speakers - here's Nahumi telling the story from his perspective czcams.com/video/bns1ZQsRa-Q/video.html He was a young pilot, not qualified as a pair leader, and their mission at Ophir Air Base was to secure commercial flights, which did not require leadership skills. Then they were caught by the war and he was nominated as leader in a phone call. He also recollects this story of taking off on his own initiative. Contrary to Israeli Air Force dog fight tactics, they didn't fly as a pair because there were so many MiGs around, scattered over a significant area.
What i would like to hear about is what happened to the officer in charge that denied the flight wing permission to get off the ground. That should be an interesting part two to this story.
Awesome, excellent presentation, first class! Would love to see a series on the Iran-Iraq war. I am currently building an Iraqi Su-22M for a Veteran Pilot, so it would be super cool to see the work of the Operations Room and Intel Report for this drawn out war.
You’re building an actual Su-22? Or just a model
@@tylerclayton6081 Model.
Israel: we didn’t invent the best hand to hand combat for nothing
Great video as always but can you pls make a video about the battle khasham, it's super underrated and deserves much more attention
if i had a nickel for everytime this guy says "he quickly spots another pair of migs" in this video id be a billionaire
I believe the phantom is a superior jet with superior weapons but you can tell that the skill/training of Israel is also superior.
These particular MIGs were better at dogfight and Israelis were heavily outnumbered.
@@ID-8491 well that is a stretch I know the Phantom was built for speed and the migs have better agility but the biggest advantage was the Phantom's weapons and clearly pilot training. I also believe these Migs were probably mostly set up for a bombing run maybe with a couple escorts and the Phantom's were rigged to intercept.
@@ID-8491 It doesn't matter how good the MiGs are, if the pilot in control is poorly trained then this is what happens.
Israel gets also $ billions of aid from USA which explains why israeli pilots get more training. Comparing them to egyptian is not objective
@Philip Kozely nice try but NO !!! You have zero clue how well the Israelis train their pilots by themselves and the actual gifted ability of these pilots is SUPERIOR PERIOD!!!
As a person who just got the DCS: Mig-21 module and is trying to learn how to fly this death machine, I felt for the Egyptian pilot at 8:48.
هذا هراء لم حدث ذلك بل ناك المصريون اسرائيل كاملة في ذلك الوقت
thats gotta be the most intense air to air combat since ww2
great series you offer highly recommended
Your videos are always interesting.
The fact that inexperienced Israeli Pilots skill issued Egyptian pilots that were probably trained by Russians is just beautiful just 🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌
The Egyptians were excited to hear that the russians had their ass handed over to them in the rimon 20 operation in 1970.
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This is one of the rare feel good war videos
Given third highest gallantry award??? I wonder what they have to do to get the highest award…
I mean the US doesn't give the medal of honor to people who did even more so it isn't a surprise that they didn't get Israel's greatest honor.
We should recognize that if they had not been successful they might have been disciplined instead of lionized. Another hallmark of fighter pilots (and to a lesser extent pilots in general) is that they sometimes think they know better than their leadership. These guys disobeyed the chain of command when they launched. They didn’t have the bigger picture but took a risk and were lucky it paid off. If they had been unsuccessful, while interfering with GBAD, and the base suffered significant damage and casualties, their initiative could be seen in a different light. Perhaps the breach of discipline is why they only received the third highest award. Success can obscure a misdemeanor sin.
Do you have any plans to cover the Six-Day War or the 2003 Iraq Invasion in-depth? I've learnt so much from this channel - I never knew about Desert Storm or battles like this one, and I think we'd all love more post-WWII content. I don't know how many times I studied WWII in school, but I know we never even touched on the Cold War.
Upvote for the post-WWII content!
If you want a cover up for the six days war, you can find it here.
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He's done Desert Storm.and Ahield btw
This was the Israeli "Either I will be decorated or court-martialed." moment.
Yes.
Damn I can't believe there's no other video about this event, I'd love to hear the audio or an interview from one of the two pilots.
Here you are - czcams.com/video/bns1ZQsRa-Q/video.html
I'm Israeli and I didn't even know that