Soviet MiGs vs Israeli Phantoms over Egypt, 1970 - Animated
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At the height of the War of Attrition between Israeli and Egyptian forces, Soviet air power is deployed to protect key targets in the region, and to take the fight back to the marauding Israeli aircraft. The Israeli Air Force prepares a plan to bait Soviet MiG-21s into a dogfight where they can be engaged.
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@Don't Read My Profile Picture Don’t care ,didn’t ask
Can You Please Do A Series About The Iraq War (2003-2011) ?!.
no
“The Egyptians themselves reacted with ill-concealed delight at the outcome of the engagement. They had previously suffered intense criticism of their own performance and boasts of superior Soviet skills, when in fact the Soviets had fallen for tactics the Egyptians were already familiar with.”
“Egyptian military leaders were pleased with the outcome of the battle because the Soviets had long been criticizing Egypt's aerial losses to Israel and attributing them to a lack of skill among Egyptian fighter pilots. The Soviets kept quiet about the incident so as to avoid the embarrassment of their defeat. It was one of the final engagements of the War of Attrition and is widely believed to have contributed to its conclusion.“
lmao.
They the Soviets kept telling us we lack the skills in aerial warfare until the Israelis kicked their bu** in this engagement ! The Egyptians had good pilots same as Israelis but due to the more superior jet fighters and the skilled Israeli pilots we suffered alot in the war of attrition until October war 1973 came and we performed well in aerial battles especially in the EPIC 53 mins Air battle of mansoura 🇪🇬🇮🇱🔥
@opener of the world What about rest of Sinai though? Egyptian cope
@@sherifalaa3523 still lost
@@leaveme3559 We regained All of Sinai back after the war .. I don't think we lost the war or this aerial battle particularly 🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬
Common soviet skill issue
Yehuda Koren was trying to get that "Guns Only" Achievement when he jettisoned his fuel tanks and missiles.
Oh to be that guy in the desert, just looking up and seeying perfectly good anti-air missiles rain from the sky xD
Ace Combat completionists be like
He may have been wishing he was an F-8 "Last of the Gun Fighters" Crusader pilot. 😂
@opener of the world Why do you keep commenting this?
@@r.u.s.e3586 Rooskie bot farm I'm guessing.
I love how the Egyptian Pilots were like "haha u talked shit yet got ur asses beat"
My personal headcanon is that long after the war, an Egyptian and Israeli pilot had a good laugh about it in a bar somewhere
Isreal won the war
Wasn't this Egypt's war which they lost? 😂
I never knew Israel faced off with the actual Soviet Union. This is awesome ! Keep up the great educated battles!
Even British. On 7th of January 1949 five British Spitfires who were stationed in Cyprus entered Israel and were shot down by the IAF.
@@openeroftheworld8570 Why should Israel take Port Fuad?
They didn't take any Egyptian town along the Suez Canal either
@@simko8665 This idiot is going around spamming that in the comments. Pay them no mind.
There are quite a few israelis fighting for Ukraine now.
@@roceye All of them are Israelis who arrived there some years ago with their parents and served in the Israeli Army and also who arrived in the last year.
and
omewho
The sidewinder missile must have been truly crazy when it was first released. Seemingly magical compared to previous weapon systems
The Soviet-made AA-2, used in the engagement, was a copy of an earlier Sidewinder (B) model too. One "captured" by the ChiComs and given to the Soviets after it failed to detonate and got stuck in one of their aircraft.
@@NefariousKoel Isn't that particular sidewinder the one that got stuck on PLAAF plane that made it back to base?
@@alwayscurious3357 - Yes. Fired from a Taiwanese F-86 in the late 1950s IIRC.
The original AIM-9B was mediocre. By this time however the AIM-9D/E/G were in service, which were a significant improvement over the original (and it's Soviet copy, the AA-2 Atoll).
The US giving the Brits the sidewinder during the Falklands war turned the tide
Side note: The Soviets, just like the Americans, abandoned aerial combat when Air-to-Air missiles were first introduced. But then high losses of Soviet-trained North Vietnamese pilots and their own losses in Egypt convinced Soviet high command to relaunch air combat schools, which became the Soviet version of Top Gun, Center for Combat Development 1521 at the airbase Мaryy, or "Мaryy" for short. Ironically, Maryy was the airbase where the Soviet fighter regiment was sent to sharpen their skills before they went to Egypt, the very regiment that was bested by the Israelis in this video. Paper Skies did a great video about this Soviet Top Gun, search "Soviet TOPGUN | The Airbase "Мaryy" Story", I can't post a link here because CZcams bots delete comments with links for some reason.
@opener of the world Go away!
Paper Skies? A man of culture, I reckon.
@opener of the world Can you stop posting this on every comment??? It doesn't even relate to the comment
Thx for info. Never knew the Orcs had pilote ma that actually knew how to land. Was convinced the Allies took care of that part.
@@michielvenema7817 bro you are a cuck lol what are you
Talking about
I absolutely love the Operations Room channel. Easily my favorite due to the clear and concise manner in which important historical events occurred. Great work as always!!!!!
Exactly. No hype or old TV techniques. Just explaining to us like adults.
They are like the OG History Chanel, only better.
Great idea for everyone that
I'm currently serving in the 119th Squadron as a technician on the F-16. It's very cool to learn about my squadrons long and successful history, but it's also important not to forget about all the brave pilots who were lost during the decades, while defending our home.
That sounds cool. I'm considering joining the U.S Air Force to become either an Aircraft Maintenance Officer or as a pilot.
@@justalpha9138 In my opinion, aim high first and try to become a pilot, but if that doesn't work out, then becoming a maintainer is also a great alternative 👍🏼
By looking at your name, I'm guessing you are Israeli?
@@justalpha9138 don't consider it. Do it. I'm 27 and I'm still "considering" of enlisting since I was 20
@@28ebdh3udnav That's correct. 🇮🇱😅
Man I would just lie and say that none of my missiles hit instead of saying that I had accidentally jettisoned all of them 💀
the fighter has an on-board log that shows all the actions of the pilot. Even if you lied, the mechanics will know the truth.
@@DarkApostle-vv5co Then the mechanic must die and the log smashed to pieces. Got it.
@opener of the world yes, and? Whats your point?
@@openeroftheworld8570 and how does this have to do with anything?
Israeli pilots don't lie about mistakes in battle.
Every training session or operation ends with a "debrief" where each participant evaluates his performance and offers ways to improve.
Thanks for the excellent video.
The War Of Attrition is surely one of the most ridiculous wars in terms absolutely unbelievable engagements as well as the surrounding politics.
For example, at the time Israel operated an armored special forces unit known as White Bear, which consisted of amphibious Soviet-made tanks and IFVs, that used to cross the Suez Canal in special circumstances. In one such operation this unit crossed into Egypt and accidentally ran over a Soviet general and killed a few more, all while doing horrible damage to a number of Egyptian military installations.
I highly recommend looking into the research of Boris Dolin, I don't think he was published in English but might have.
Sounds like the Keystone Kops.
The arab-israeli wars are fascinating. So many great stories.
"accidentally ran over a Soviet general and killed a few more"
Based on this, it seems Russians have never been particularly good at keeping their generals out of harms way.
@@hereandnow3156 Based on how they have a history of murdering most of their own generals in-house anyways... yeah.
@opener of the world I don’t think it was the first time a warship was destroyed by a boat. But I do think it was the first time a warship was destroyed by a missile boat.
Excellent. Looking for ward to the IS v Syria air battles from the '80s like The Bekka Valley Missile Raid in '82.
IS?
@@user-gz9yx5ty1r Is you is or is you ain't Israeli
it was a 100-0 killrate.
The Soviets fucked around and found out.
As always
Thats literally every major, USA, France and China fu**ed around and found out in Vietnam, USA, and Soviet union fu**ed around and found out in Afghanistan.
It's about hours of proper realistic training, level of motivation, acquired skills, experience.
~ "Train as you fight, fight as you train."
Kurnas = Sledghammer
'Ayit = Eagle
Shahak = Sky
Man, what an insane furball. Hadn't heard of this engagement before. Fascinating. Thanks a ton for such a great presentation!
I love this channel. Your voice sounds like Clive Owen but even more soothing. Plus you work your ass off to create amazing content. Thank you!
that's right. clive owen-ish. good spot.
Love this channel, love The Intel Report, it's been so exciting watching it grow. The only criticism I would ever levied against this channel is you need to show pictures of the aircraft, vehicles or assets. Everytime I watch a video I am constantly pausing it to Google what type of aircraft/vehicle you are describing haha.
@@openeroftheworld8570lmao 😅 cope
Good idea!
@opener of the world dude posting this over and over again is just sad
Love the content every time a video comes out. Keep up the work!
Great video Operations room. Keep up the great and awesome work on both of your channels. So educational.
New upload! New visuals! keep it up with the amazing content!
Thank you for covering Israeli vast air combat history.
Always excited to see another video from my favorite channel.
I love your videos because I get to see how it plays out and the explanation is amazing 😎👍
@opener of the world go eat a bacon sandwhich you fuck 😅
This battle made the Soviets create their own Top Gun, Авиабаза Мары, or Airbase Maryy.
Small correction at 4:44 it would be unit 848 the predecessor to unit 8200. Unit 8200 was only reorganized from unit 848 after the 1973 Arab Israeli war.
Love the vid! I always wanted to see it in this channel! Thanks for reading my mind!
Amazing, as always!
As capable as aircraft are, and as fast as they can go, and as far as they can seemingly fly, they are very limited in terms of the area and duration that they can fight. Good tactical decision making and planning is critical in terms of setting up a Battle space and executing a mission. This is due to how little time aircraft have to fight and how short air battles last.
Fighters need a proper restroom inside with some magazines to read
Great work as always!
I like the new more detailed maps.
Some people here are rewriting History (because this is what they learn at school in Egypt). They claim this 1973 War was a victory for Egypt against Israel. If so why Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt only on April 25, 1982? 9 years after the war! This restitution followed the Israeli-Egyptian peace agreements signed in 1979, known as the Camp David Accords. These agreements, mediated by the United States, led to the normalization of relations between Israel and Egypt, as well as Israel's withdrawal from the Sinai Peninsula.
Not surprised tbh. A lot of history books are different if the country that writes the books put their own stuff in it like how Russia see WW2 and how much they hate other people telling the actual WW2
TY, very well done again. 🙏🙏
Dude this is is so weird!!!! I read about this battle yesterday then searched @The Operations Room for it. Then they upload it 12 hours later. Crazy!
I had a similar experience with the Entebbe rescue recently. Just keep wishing that there was an OpRoom episode on "that"
Outstanding production showing clearly what happened. The F4 had a nice speed advantage over that MiG 21 fishbed..Early july 1970 I was taking my first flight on a boeing 747 for the first time! Pan Am flight 2, london to new york...new airplane , new technology back then...
The F-4 is fast even by today’s standards.
It's not the f4 it's the pilot in case you forget f4 lost to mig 21 in Vietnam lol
@@westerncitizen114 and Mig21s lost to F4's also, despite the US having ridiculously restrictive rules of engagement.
Ace pilot in mig 15 can beat f4 what iam saying is pilot skills matter alot not the plane
@@westerncitizen114 the F-4 rarely lost to the MiG-21, the F-4 maintained 151 victories to 41 losses in air combat throughout the Vietnam war, the MiG-21 maintained 85-95. all this in consideration that the F-4s would usually perform multirole missions, carrying bombs and rockets rather than pure air superiority and interception missions like the MiG-21s. regardless, the MiG-21 had the majority of its recorded kills happen in the first half of the USA intervention in Vietnam during operation Rolling Thunder which saw the Americans deploying mostly F-105s with full payloads and heavy bombers with the addition of some early models of the F-4 Phantom which predated the MiG-21 models the Vietnamese possessed, once the operation was over the F-4s were upgraded to Echo and Julliet models(very little remained Charlie and Delta variants) the ratio of MiG-21s scoring victories reduced catastrophically. most F-4s in the war would be lost to Surface to Air Missiles, as most of their sorties were medium to low altitude bombing missions.
Wonderful, as always. Great work team.
The day David fought Goliath.
indeed ! 👍🏻
You should do a video on Operation Focus of the six day war
Great vid as always. I would be really inrested to see these same in-depth vids but with a focus on the engagements of the 1982 Falklands war. The Battle of San Carlos and the sinkings of various ships during that war etc, would be great.
@Historigraph has a 7 video series on the falklands
@@CSRich23 Yes, his series was excellent, however I still want to see the operations room take on this conflict, and maybe cover some things Histograph did not.
@@ArenBerberian agreed
I look forward to watching these videos
Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Loved the video @The Operations Room! Can't wait for the next video man! It's Battles like this that just goes to show you how much you can't Underestimate the Israeli Defence Forces. You get ready for military Service at age 14 or 16 and then by Age 18 you're serving in the Defence Forces be it as a Paratrooper, an Tanker or just a Standard Infantryman.
Waiting for the Beqaa Valley dogfight.
I served 12 months in the Sinai
In 05
My OP site is located near some old trenches used by the Egyptian army in 1967
It was widely known that the Egyptian pilots quietly celebrated the Israeli “victories “over the Russians,feeling fully vindicated and realizing that they were not mediocre after all…
That's a rather far-fetched conclusion though. Generally speaking, Egyptian and Arab pilots in general were and probably still are mediocre because of various reasons. They rely heavily on central command (ground-controlled interception) and display poor tactical behavior and creative thinking. Many don't even understand how some parts of their aircraft work.
More likely, Soviet pilots of that time were similarly mediocre as Egyptian pilots were.
@@BlueBockser if properly trained Egyptian pilots would fair much better* than they did and mediocrity is a relative term,however the Egyptian Airforce command structure,training and control was largely based on the Soviet system which left little leeway in the way aerial combat is conducted.Control and direction from the ground not only prohibits initiative it allows the opposition to take advantage of the situation…*the N Vietnamese Airforce used the Soviet system a lot more effectively than the Egyptians and in some instances was able to take advantage of the the restrictions and constraints placed on American pilots so yeah mediocrity is a relative term …
another solid work OR.. love your stuff
And that's called an aerial combat ass-whooping!!
Have you considered doing this style of video with older battlefields such as WWI? I think you would do quite well
I'm not sure if it's Israel being great at war, or everyone around them just being terrible at it.
Or a mix of both. Which is the most likely answer.
@@AugmentedGravity well you know what they say, war is a competition of whose army can suck the least XD
Israel has neighbours that specialises in killing civilians so they are not very good against an armed force.
When you're against the wall you have to be good
Both. It’s one of the reasons Israeli forces have been able to win battles while heavily outnumbered and in some cases technological disadvantages.
Fun fact the Israeli term for the F4 e was literally sledgehammer I feel that name was appropriate
Great work as always
Absolutely insane how Israel took on a Soviet allied Egypt and opened a can of whoop ass on all of them.
Excellent content and kudos to Israel’s amazing Air Force!
@opener of the world you again. Israel won the October war.
@@alonraigorodetsky1803
Its a Russki Bot mate
@@heckleypanes4988 No he is a genuine Egyptian I talked with him about a year ago. He was trying to prove me wrong by saying Egypt won in the October war. Using a book written by Henry Kissinger as his sources. I just told him to go to the page where Henry concluded that Israel won that war. Haven't heard of him since.
The war of attrition was quite I conclusive in a stretegic sense, though Israel did dominate the Egyptians. The Soviet ground based air defences were much more lethal and were too much for the Israels to break through, but again the Israelis never really tried to get into a proper knife fight with the Soviets
@@robertmandain5791 "Soviet based" is besides the point. They were Soviet made, but what I'm talking about is the initial positioning of the Soviet air defences for operational badr + the Soviet air defence crews in the war of attrition which taken in isolation were quite effective against the Israelis
500th like! These videos are the BEST! So detailed I just love them. War is hell.
I like the new visuals! Keep it up!
I like the older ones better for some reason.
I've been subbed to your channel for years and really enjoy all your content. But I want to give a couple important bits of feedback that have been on my mind for a while. 1)Display the important info regarding the setting of the conflict ON SCREEN as you say it. Most videos I need to rewind to make sure I understand the setting, time and location wise.
2) A channel of this size and consistent success should maybe consider providing subtitles for their videos, rather than counting on the auto-generated ones. Deaf and HoH communities would thank you, but they would still be beneficial to all your viewers such as myself, especially since you use so much specific military terminology that the auto-subtitles won't pick up.
Again, love your work and I give these suggestions out of love
Both of those are good points. Yes a lot of the military terms may not be easily apparent
I never realized the good feeling of seeing a soviet flag burning symbolizing a downed soviet
Hell yea
@opener of the world no one askedfor your copy pasted comment, but sure ok
@opener of the world read the part of it wich said isreal won ;3
Oy vey
Thank you for the video ❤️
Really enjoy the videos, thanks
excellent as always
Crazy what a vast area of Egypt this took place over! Imagine living along the Nile and watching this happen over you.
imagine that Muslim Arabs used that non racist brain we wouldn't have this war and those terrorist would be subdued and the twin towers would still be a thing
You would just see a small percentage probably
Great job, I really enjoy your vids
More please alot more!!!!! Great series!
My guys! Ops roooooom! Let’s go man. I’m locked in as usual.
Israel not only took on their neighbors but also the USSR , impressive
Maybe because israel gets most modern weapons and BILLIONS of aids and even nukes from all European countries and USA?
Great video THank you
Excellent series. Any chance you might add to your list the Battle for Madagascar 1942, Operation Ironclad?
"You lost again? Pathetic. And after we gave you the best fighter jets in the world."
"Oh, yeah, sure, it's us that's the problem. Let's see you do any better."
"Alright, we will."
Later
*smug* "So how'd the battle go?"
"...this proves nothing."
I'm surprised you know the names of the Soviet pilots involved. I would have thought those names would never have been revealed.
@@openeroftheworld8570lol 😂
They weren't revealed until much later, having been kept an open secret at the time.
If I remember correctly things happened back in 1991 in the *former* USSR.
@opener of the world "destroyed by a boat"
By severa Komar-class MISSILE boatS, that fired 3 soviet Styx missiles at it, sounds pretty reasonable to me.
But it doesn't matter, you lost regardless...
Sometimes, real life is more like strange real.
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Israel versus the mighty Soviet Union above Egypt? Wow. That's quite impressive. We like this video. Keep up the good work. We can't wait to see more from you.
How do you not have 10M subscribers? Seriously?
Although I appreciate your attention to detail regarding the camouflage, I think some simpler color schemes might have made this a little easier to understand.
It helped convey the reality of chaos and attention to detail necessary to PID.
Great as always
Great video!
Another gem to be watched
The ball of steels you gotta have to do an head pass! Pilots are crazy!
Incredible what they accomplished.
Great documentary, keep up the good work!
I’m always shocked how fast the fuel actually goes in these fights
Good job .👍
nicely done
Fantastic video. Never knew Israelis and Soviets went head to head.
Egypt: 'Told you so!'
Excellent!
Excellent video!
Would love to see one about operation mole cricket 19 or rooster 53!
Do you guys think you could cover the battle of Kolambangara, it would be cool to see you guys cover more minor WW2 pacific engagements.
Isn't that some shitty island in the solomons?
@@oasis1282 Yeah, it’s also sometimes called the Second battle of Kula gulf, it involved a decent amount of ships, which is why it would be cool to see it laid out in their format.
Israel also flooded the radio with wrong instructions in russian to add to the confusion
You should make a video on operation orchard, it was another Israeli strike on Syrian reactor or you can make a video on operation bolo vietnam that was also a mig vs Phantom operation
i like the animation, you really dont need Super CGI to tell a story, its good !! thanks
i'd love to see a game with a similar gameplay to how you make your vids like a top down rts
There's some info missing. For example, at the time of the engagement, Israel managed to bring down the Russian long range communication channels, which was one of the main reasons the extra 8 MiGs never came to the battle and the Soviets later kept quiet about it.
i think we also interfered with their communications by adding our own messages from russian speakers.
This was a really nice look into a remarkable air battle. Remarkable because it took place over Egypt itself.
Soviet flight academy instructors: Egyptian pilots suck, we're washing them out and doing it ourselves.
Egyptian pilots: Russians tricked into ambush, crash and burn lol.
Israeli pilots: u mad bro?
I love how everytime it is pushed around, Israeli military turns into a honey badger basically going ham. Agressive as it gets
This dogfight is known as Operation Rimon 20.
Awesome account of the battle! I have a question; how the HECK does anyone know who's who when its a 20+ aircraft dogfight like that? :D
The aircraft look very different, pilots are communicating with each other and most importantly pilots spend a ton of time studying to identify enemy assets.
That is why pilots train for years before becoming an actual combat pilot
Thanks!
You welcome
Good video! Thanks for making this video available to the general public. Love the animated maps of how the battle(s) unfold.
I would love to see you do a video of Operation Bolo during the Vietnam War! Operation Bolo (January 2, 1967) was similar to this battle in that it was ruse by the US Air Force to force the North Vietnam Air Force fighters into battle with US fighters. Up until this point the North's fighters avoided combat with US fighters and instead concentrated on hit-and-run tactics on the heavily loaded fighter bombers which often forced these bomber formations to jettison their bomb loads in defense (up to 20% of strikes were forced to jettison their bomb loads before hitting their targets).
Once again, thanks for making these videos.
The Israel really open another hole on Soviet’s bottom
@opener of the world ok? So what? Broadly speaking the Egyptians did not perform well in the war of attrition and relied almost entirely on the Soviets
@@ravenmusic6392Russian Airforce is nothing they say they are
Hi Operation Room,
Any chance you would cover the 442nd Infantry Regiment during WWII? They are the most decorated in U.S. military history and as a fighting unit composed almost entirely of second-generation American soldiers of Japanese ancestry. Many of these men had soldiers had families in the U.S. concentration camps while they were fighting.
Love your channel! Thanks!
Have one suggestion to your channel.
Adding a clock so you get a sense of time vs travel.
I wish there was a scale/distance metric on-screen. Would be great to be able to eyeball rough estimates of distances traveled and scale of the map.