PRC - "Peoples Republic of China" I LOVE your videos. You are by far the best HVAC show on youtube. In your years of experience you have seen and fixed it all. I like your practical and methodical troubleshooting and diagnosis. I'm just a homeowner, not an hvac tech, but it gives me insight into how things should work and when to call a PRO.
Been a hvac tech for 20 years now and just recently got zapped by a capacitor and let me tell you you do not want any part of it. Even if you think you’re better safe be even safer. Stay on your grind and be careful out there fellas!
What you are finding does not surprise me and I am not a tech, but I am a homeowner that inspects everything especially what anyone touches in the attic. Thanks for allowing us to view what you find.
That's good because when that drain leaks it's going to be an expensive day for that homeowner. That's why at least bi-yearly maintenance is key. Yearly on that one.
You remind me of an old school electrician I know. He touches wires with his fingers to see if its live. 120 of course, just gets a little tingle from it. He now has parkinsons in his 70s but still working.
I would recommend the CAP manufacturers print the build date on their products. At least it would be there for techs to get an idea how old they are and how long they tend to get replaced etc. I'd date them when installed too...just as a note to the tech.
old condensate lines through house may have multiple low spots(double/multi-trapping) or they had it ties into an drain vent, which will suck in nasty sewage/septic gasses all winter(maybe summer). it's cheaper and easier to reroute it to the ground outside the home, instead of fiddling with and guessing the many failures in the past hidden workings.
That system originally came with a US Motors 1075rpm, 2.5" shaft with a 5 MFD motor. If a technician replaced the condenser fan motor with a fan using a 10 MFD capacitor, it was a poor choice by the tech. I bet if Ted would have checked the information on the fan unit, it wouldn't match. The motors are still available and should have stayed a 35/5 system. How many condenser fans from that generation were 10 MFD's? I don't even have any of those on my van. It shows how well the tech was based on the information in the attic and his notes. Lots of repairs and updates needed to be made to this system.
Ted what Train a9v2 furnace do you prefer if any right side or left side discharge if any? Pros or Cons for eather I remember you saying there's a deference on some models.
How do you know if the old caps are even the correct values to begin with? The person before you could of put the wrong caps in before you got there. Is it on a label somewhere on the unit what the cap should be?
If your unsure and the part isnt the original. Lets say fan motor or compressor, it will say the mfd on label of the part what it should be. As for replacement blower motors depending on HP some motors can run a 7.5 some may say 10 or 12 depending. So you want to read all labels.
Hvac installer and tech here for 20 + years, I’ve drain lines I couldn’t clear or fix Had one last week in a two story, I cut it top and bottom , blew out with nitrogen did everything u can think of couldn’t clear it, had to run out the side of the house , when I’ve had to do it I try to get as close as I can to a gutter, I also get spray paint that’s real close to the house color and paint it But 1000’s of residential replacements under my belt I’ve seen numerous drain lines that couldn’t be cleared or replaced and the only way to run a new one is this way They just did a shitty job And a condensate pump in the attic 😂😂 anyone that takes pride In what they do would never do that They would install everything correctly to begin with, like raising the air handler up These people were just lazy They probably did it on the side You know no inspection department would let that fly Being a rental I’m probably right 😂 And 1/4 line, bye bye compressor
I've also had a couple that even the nitro wouldn't clear. I started carrying a electricians tape and jamm it down the pipe. Kind of how plumbers snake a drain
A tech once told me that the only thing wrong with Goodman is that they don't train or vet their dealer's installers on their products and so many of them get installed like what we see here. Properly installed they are competitive in terms of reliability.
Keep in mmind that Goodman is owned by DAIKIN, since 2012, and any new installations are labeled as Daikin. Just had one installed by a personal friend in the business. I think the installer might be more important than the brand
I would check the fan motor for the correct size and RPM it being a heat pump requires an 800 PRM motor, not an 1100 motor. 10 cap is usually for a 1/3 or 1/2 hp motor this unit could use a 1/4 but came with a 1/5 hp.
It seems like those Goodman condensing units would perform better if they had fan shrouds. I have a few customers with them, they run hotter but they still run after all these years. 👍
Thank you for teaching others how to do things right. But for some it is a lost cause. So many do not care as long as they get paid. We are in big trouble. As you know the interest rates in the 70s and the stock market goes even higher. One day soon things are going to have to be paid for. A guy by the Name of David Hunter is forecasting for the stock market to go a good bit higher and then go down 80%. It might be worth a listen to some of his interviews here on CZcams.
I'm curious ... typically when there are 2 Capacitors, is that usually because you are trying to get up to the normal required capacity levels for the unit. When you immediately said I going to leave the 10, & just replace the 35, is that because you don't have a 45, or is it because it is difficult to know what the original capacitor was ?
That’s not how any of that works. Yikes. No one is “typically” running 2 caps in parallel to get more farads. 35+5 is 35 for comp. 5 for fan. 2 in 1 capacitor.
The fan needs 10 MFD and the compressor needs 35 MFD specifically, if you just put a 45 on for both the compressor and fan it would be too much for both components to handle
According to the repair parts list the Goodman CPKE24-1 2 ton heat pump originally came with a 5/35/370V capacitor. Either somebody installed a fan motor that is inappropriate for this unit or they are using a 10uF capacitor in place of a 5uF one. You should have quickly looked at the sticker on the fan motor and maybe left another note on your invoice... Install looks terrible, it's a shame
A lot of aftermarket fan motors use different capacitors. They're universal and may have a higher horsepower rating. But the speed and frame will be the same. Only thing to watch out for is mounting depth of the fan blade for hitting pipes and making sure it's high enough to pull out all the heat. Really common practice. Keep 2-3 good aftermarket universal USA made motors on your truck that fits 50 different units instead of 50 cheap Chinese junk ones that OEMs use to cut production costs and usually because it's OEM they cost the same or sometimes more.... Have seen USA made very good brand universal motors $100-300 where OEM Chinese was $300+ 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Had a new 2.5 ton and a 90 percent furnace 1500 square foot home and it will barely keep up at 84 degrees on a 98 degree day is that normal or is something not right.
General rule of thumb depending on area and humidity is 500 sqft/ton. But this can range 300-700 sqft/ton depending on your homes construction how much insulation how many windows, where your unit and ductwork is in an attic etc. Sounds like it may be slightly undersized. Or you have major air leakage in the ductwork/ your home. If it's a Mobile home those have TERRIBLE insulation. I'd have a reputable HVAC company evaluate your entire thermal envelope. Inspect the ductwork etc. Also if a flighty company installed your unit and didn't compensate for long linset your unit may be under charged. Could be as simple as they didn't match up the fan speed to the tonage of your cooling. Many many things could be the issue
Very amazing in the attic quality and likely by an HVAC "professional" who wonders why people complain about the price of their work when it breaks down etc. 1/4" liquid line? Must have been all they had on their truck as they left the supply house without a roll of the correct size. The pump idea is so foolish too. This is why the industry gets their bad reputation, by the bums in the business who work by volume or barely function on a thread look'n for another check to blow on entertainment and/or payments on toys.
Was probably 5/16 not 1/4 it's common on old rheems if you look the other unit is a Rheem they probably threw that Goodman unit in and used the same line set. If you aren't looking closely and you have a 3/8 and 5/16 side by side you may say "oh that's 1/4 inch" because it's smaller and most people skip over 5/16 as a line size because there's not really any other 16th lines sizes in tubing that's common place
O_O That's insane $$ for just one part of a system, & then there's the speakers... Jeez, if this guy went with a nice pair of headphones & saved the $$ he could have been closer to a property owner rather than a renter lol
nothing wrong with an condensate pump in an attic, providing it's USA southern states without freezing ambient nightly temps or other countries/areas. sometimes you have to bend the rules and do what shouldn't be done, sans real deadly things... **near the end, the quarter inch line. NO-GO, unless tat was first floor and under 3' lineset(lol) rarely/never
As an option you can get a low profile condensate pump in a pan that gives enough room for a p trap with a safety switch giving that it is a rental the landlord might not be willing to spend all that money.
The metal motor casing is literally screwed to a metal frame with metal screws into a panel that's grounded. That ground wire can be removed. It shows the person who installed it lacks experience, electrical theory and logical thought.
I saw that done on a new house. The problem with heat pumps is that in the heating season, the drain trap will dry out and the unit will start sucking air back through the trap. If it is draining into the plumbing stack you have sewer gas being sucked into the unit and blowing through the house. The homeowners were told by their builder that a mouse must have gotten into the ductwork. As soon as I turned the unit on, I knew it was sewer gas. We had to route the drain line out through the soffit and down the wall. The house was only a year old but the builder had already filed for bankruptcy.
the first opinion was surely a better technician! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 nobody is perfect, nor will the ever be. if not your own tech, don't fire them on the spot, just attempt to train them better or have another good tech do it. yeah I know, its an huge burden to work and keep your mindset while trying to train/teach others. especially what I consider very basic skills... here scrape the old loose glue and chunks of dirt off the floor, an hour later still fiddling off and you still have to go over it all and do it again... 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 my body, back and knees can only take so much.
I think Ted is doing the right thing. There are 2 good reasons for going the extra mile and checking for other problems. 1 is that your conscience is clear because you have identified the other problems so they can be fixed before they cause damage. 2 is that you protect yourself from being blamed for those other problems by having it documented that the owner was informed of the issues and that you didn't cause them.
You didn't know Joe Biden used to be a HVAC installer? To be fair, neither did I, but that certainly looks like his best work. I wonder if there will be a part two, after the landlord has you fix it up. Will you be able to convince him that it's worthwhile to replace that liquid line?
PRC - "Peoples Republic of China"
I LOVE your videos. You are by far the best HVAC show on youtube. In your years of experience you have seen and fixed it all. I like your practical and methodical troubleshooting and diagnosis. I'm just a homeowner, not an hvac tech, but it gives me insight into how things should work and when to call a PRO.
and the US of A is soon to be part of the PRC
Been a hvac tech for 20 years now and just recently got zapped by a capacitor and let me tell you you do not want any part of it. Even if you think you’re better safe be even safer. Stay on your grind and be careful out there fellas!
What you are finding does not surprise me and I am not a tech, but I am a homeowner that inspects everything especially what anyone touches in the attic. Thanks for allowing us to view what you find.
That's good because when that drain leaks it's going to be an expensive day for that homeowner. That's why at least bi-yearly maintenance is key. Yearly on that one.
A 🚁 in the wild :o
Man.. its always a joy to watch someone and I dont give a crap what field it is, who is an absolute pro at what they do.
Good job Ted.!!!
You remind me of an old school electrician I know. He touches wires with his fingers to see if its live. 120 of course, just gets a little tingle from it. He now has parkinsons in his 70s but still working.
I don’t work in the HVAC field, but I’ve been a longtime viewer. Love watching your videos and hearing your commentary. Keep up the good work!
Same here idk why but his videos are just so addicting
Wow, just wow, more material for your book Ted!
I would recommend the CAP manufacturers print the build date on their products. At least it would be there for techs to get an idea how old they are and how long they tend to get replaced etc.
I'd date them when installed too...just as a note to the tech.
Yup, I typically will write on unit inside, part and date it was changed.
Date of mfg and install could be vastly different. And age not directly linked to perf of a cap. Really no point.
Can’t stop a Goodman Mamma!
Always watching yours first. Love the vids.
Great video as always Mr Ted 👍🏻
Another good one... Ted's working again y'all.
old condensate lines through house may have multiple low spots(double/multi-trapping) or they had it ties into an drain vent, which will suck in nasty sewage/septic gasses all winter(maybe summer). it's cheaper and easier to reroute it to the ground outside the home, instead of fiddling with and guessing the many failures in the past hidden workings.
Hoping for a follow up Ted. I would imagine that the owner would want some corrections made.
PRC means Peoples Republic of China
And you wonder why there are helicopters.
Amazing the sh!# people do. I see it every day in the electrical field. After 33 years in the trade it still amazes me
Never know what you'll run into do ya ? Nice fix Ted ... On to the next one
You can't stop a Goodman!
That system originally came with a US Motors 1075rpm, 2.5" shaft with a 5 MFD motor. If a technician replaced the condenser fan motor with a fan using a 10 MFD capacitor, it was a poor choice by the tech. I bet if Ted would have checked the information on the fan unit, it wouldn't match. The motors are still available and should have stayed a 35/5 system. How many condenser fans from that generation were 10 MFD's? I don't even have any of those on my van. It shows how well the tech was based on the information in the attic and his notes. Lots of repairs and updates needed to be made to this system.
Ted what Train a9v2 furnace do you prefer if any right side or left side discharge if any? Pros or Cons for eather I remember you saying there's a deference on some models.
The major issue, is how is the homeowner to know which HVAC techs, are reliable, know wht they are doing, and honest.
What about the electrical meters? Drill a hole in the bottom? Still get electricity but they can't overcharge you?
How do you know if the old caps are even the correct values to begin with? The person before you could of put the wrong caps in before you got there. Is it on a label somewhere on the unit what the cap should be?
If your unsure and the part isnt the original. Lets say fan motor or compressor, it will say the mfd on label of the part what it should be. As for replacement blower motors depending on HP some motors can run a 7.5 some may say 10 or 12 depending. So you want to read all labels.
Yes
Any thought of paralleling a new 5mfd fan cap along with the 5 side of the new 35/5? Would give all new 10mfd in total.
Very nice!
Hvac installer and tech here for 20 + years, I’ve drain lines I couldn’t clear or fix
Had one last week in a two story, I cut it top and bottom , blew out with nitrogen did everything u can think of couldn’t clear it, had to run out the side of the house , when I’ve had to do it I try to get as close as I can to a gutter, I also get spray paint that’s real close to the house color and paint it
But 1000’s of residential replacements under my belt I’ve seen numerous drain lines that couldn’t be cleared or replaced and the only way to run a new one is this way
They just did a shitty job
And a condensate pump in the attic 😂😂 anyone that takes pride In what they do would never do that
They would install everything correctly to begin with, like raising the air handler up
These people were just lazy
They probably did it on the side
You know no inspection department would let that fly
Being a rental I’m probably right 😂
And 1/4 line, bye bye compressor
I've also had a couple that even the nitro wouldn't clear. I started carrying a electricians tape and jamm it down the pipe. Kind of how plumbers snake a drain
An '06 and still rockin even with the hackery
I'm thinking it was a rodeo clown instead of a circus clown who installed that mess.
A tech once told me that the only thing wrong with Goodman is that they don't train or vet their dealer's installers on their products and so many of them get installed like what we see here. Properly installed they are competitive in terms of reliability.
Keep in mmind that Goodman is owned by DAIKIN, since 2012, and any new installations are labeled as Daikin. Just had one installed by a personal friend in the business. I think the installer might be more important than the brand
Screaming high side I bet, can’t believe that doesn’t kick out on high head
The Titan Pro also made in China is pretty good for a Chinese cap.
I would check the fan motor for the correct size and RPM it being a heat pump requires an 800 PRM motor, not an 1100 motor. 10 cap is usually for a 1/3 or 1/2 hp motor this unit could use a 1/4 but came with a 1/5 hp.
It seems like those Goodman condensing units would perform better if they had fan shrouds. I have a few customers with them, they run hotter but they still run after all these years. 👍
The hotter they are the more likely an electrical failure will happen. Keeping head pressure under 400 is key
That’s an R22 system though 400 psi would be a bigger problem
First great content.
2nd opinion calls are the best way to earn a customer for life
I’ve seen this before, customer refused to allow further work. They were told It’ll never fail. Lots of disclaimers on invoice.
Looks to me like water should run out of an attic without a pump.
I'm with you on these grounds, people get carried away with them. I had a goodman just like that, same year, ha. PRC, Peoples Republic of China.
I believe someone also installed the wrong cap for the condenser fan, unless the motor was replaced calling for a 10mfd. original was 35/5mfd.
I'm pretty sure he said the motor was replaced, based on how some of the wires were left.
I would've checked that data tag. Usually it's 208 that requires a 10mfd on the outside . Sure he'll check it when he goes back.
On that small unit the separate 10uf cap was obviously a hack mod.
Just needs a std 35/5, maybe 7.5 so why keep jury-rigging it.
Looks to me someone wanted done as cheap as possible. It’s a “rental” so the owner doesn’t care, they won’t be there long anyway.
Hard to stop a Goodman mama
Caps when I worked ibm and Ge.
Thank you for teaching others how to do things right. But for some it is a lost cause. So many do not care as long as they get paid.
We are in big trouble. As you know the interest rates in the 70s and the stock market goes even higher. One day soon things are going to have to be paid for. A guy by the Name of David Hunter is forecasting for the stock market to go a good bit higher and then go down 80%. It might be worth a listen to some of his interviews here on CZcams.
It's a good day when someone's ac is broke and a simple capacitor switch gets the job done. And then the day takes a dump in the attic.
I'm curious ... typically when there are 2 Capacitors, is that usually because you are trying to get up to the normal required capacity levels for the unit. When you immediately said I going to leave the 10, & just replace the 35, is that because you don't have a 45, or is it because it is difficult to know what the original capacitor was ?
That’s not how any of that works. Yikes. No one is “typically” running 2 caps in parallel to get more farads. 35+5 is 35 for comp. 5 for fan. 2 in 1 capacitor.
The fan needs 10 MFD and the compressor needs 35 MFD specifically, if you just put a 45 on for both the compressor and fan it would be too much for both components to handle
PRC (People’s Republic of China).
That’s still a rats nest of wire in the ol’ girl
According to the repair parts list the Goodman CPKE24-1 2 ton heat pump originally came with a 5/35/370V capacitor. Either somebody installed a fan motor that is inappropriate for this unit or they are using a 10uF capacitor in place of a 5uF one. You should have quickly looked at the sticker on the fan motor and maybe left another note on your invoice... Install looks terrible, it's a shame
A lot of aftermarket fan motors use different capacitors. They're universal and may have a higher horsepower rating. But the speed and frame will be the same. Only thing to watch out for is mounting depth of the fan blade for hitting pipes and making sure it's high enough to pull out all the heat. Really common practice. Keep 2-3 good aftermarket universal USA made motors on your truck that fits 50 different units instead of 50 cheap Chinese junk ones that OEMs use to cut production costs and usually because it's OEM they cost the same or sometimes more.... Have seen USA made very good brand universal motors $100-300 where OEM Chinese was $300+ 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Not the original motor; he pointed that out when looking at the wires.
Had a new 2.5 ton and a 90 percent furnace 1500 square foot home and it will barely keep up at 84 degrees on a 98 degree day is that normal or is something not right.
General rule of thumb depending on area and humidity is 500 sqft/ton. But this can range 300-700 sqft/ton depending on your homes construction how much insulation how many windows, where your unit and ductwork is in an attic etc. Sounds like it may be slightly undersized. Or you have major air leakage in the ductwork/ your home. If it's a Mobile home those have TERRIBLE insulation. I'd have a reputable HVAC company evaluate your entire thermal envelope. Inspect the ductwork etc.
Also if a flighty company installed your unit and didn't compensate for long linset your unit may be under charged. Could be as simple as they didn't match up the fan speed to the tonage of your cooling. Many many things could be the issue
Very amazing in the attic quality and likely by an HVAC "professional" who wonders why people complain about the price of their work when it breaks down etc.
1/4" liquid line? Must have been all they had on their truck as they left the supply house without a roll of the correct size. The pump idea is so foolish too. This is why the industry gets their bad reputation, by the bums in the business who work by volume or barely function on a thread look'n for another check to blow on entertainment and/or payments on toys.
Was probably 5/16 not 1/4 it's common on old rheems if you look the other unit is a Rheem they probably threw that Goodman unit in and used the same line set. If you aren't looking closely and you have a 3/8 and 5/16 side by side you may say "oh that's 1/4 inch" because it's smaller and most people skip over 5/16 as a line size because there's not really any other 16th lines sizes in tubing that's common place
As Steve Lav says it Might be a Leaka Momma.
The one box in the attic was marked Grandioso D1 Monoblock DAC. It sells for $36,000 a pair (DAC's) - Holy Crap!
I would never be able to tell the difference. If you love audio I guess that would be a good buy.
O_O That's insane $$ for just one part of a system, & then there's the speakers... Jeez, if this guy went with a nice pair of headphones & saved the $$ he could have been closer to a property owner rather than a renter lol
made in PRC means the People's Republic of China. Therefore, it is the same as being labeled Made in China there is no difference between the two
Always can tell its a butcher-hack-job when within 10 seconds of looking at the unit, the words "good lord" are ushered.
Wow, Ted. I am sure you see all kinds of “hack jobs” in your business.
People’s republic of China lol they trying to cover it up as made somewhere else
Hahahaha, Circus Clown Hackery!
I don't see the issue here. When that water spills over the insulation will just soak it up and hold onto it no big deal...
2:50 Maybe it's lockwire? :-)
People’s Republic of China
Singing Sunday afternoon Grooving
Another day. Another 50 cents.
What's the prob with the pump. Not ideal but safety wired in nothing wrong it. Pour some water in and make sure it works keep it movin
Just a kiss. A starter🤭🤫
Ted for President!!!!
PRC means peoples republic of china
Seen where one said Made in USA a province of China.
Run cap bandit strikes again
Why not replace both capacitors with a single one of the correct specs?
nothing wrong with an condensate pump in an attic, providing it's USA southern states without freezing ambient nightly temps or other countries/areas.
sometimes you have to bend the rules and do what shouldn't be done, sans real deadly things...
**near the end, the quarter inch line. NO-GO, unless tat was first floor and under 3' lineset(lol) rarely/never
It freezes in Miami occasionally.
Put a turbo.
PRC- peoples republic of chinga
As an option you can get a low profile condensate pump in a pan that gives enough room for a p trap with a safety switch giving that it is a rental the landlord might not be willing to spend all that money.
Why a pump in an attic?
👍👍👍👀🇺🇸
Ain’t nothing wrong with that ground wire. At least they hooked it up. Where would you hook up that 5” ground?
The metal motor casing is literally screwed to a metal frame with metal screws into a panel that's grounded. That ground wire can be removed. It shows the person who installed it lacks experience, electrical theory and logical thought.
Why not tie the drain into the main plumbing stack!
I saw that done on a new house. The problem with heat pumps is that in the heating season, the drain trap will dry out and the unit will start sucking air back through the trap. If it is draining into the plumbing stack you have sewer gas being sucked into the unit and blowing through the house. The homeowners were told by their builder that a mouse must have gotten into the ductwork. As soon as I turned the unit on, I knew it was sewer gas. We had to route the drain line out through the soffit and down the wall. The house was only a year old but the builder had already filed for bankruptcy.
Plumbing code violation. You can not dump the condensate into the vent stack. It is often done, but not correct.
PRC. Peoples republic of China
P.R.C Peoples Republic of China Thats the good stuff lol
They should have at least put the cap in a box....lol
Side show bob condensate 😂😂😂😂😂😂Lmao
Cap and go.
PRC stands for Peoples Republic of China
"PRC" Peoples Republic of China
I don't know nothing about AC and I always watch your videos when they come and they're always clowns out there do stuff like that
PRC People’s Republic of China
the first opinion was surely a better technician! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
nobody is perfect, nor will the ever be. if not your own tech, don't fire them on the spot, just attempt to train them better or have another good tech do it.
yeah I know, its an huge burden to work and keep your mindset while trying to train/teach others. especially what I consider very basic skills... here scrape the old loose glue and chunks of dirt off the floor, an hour later still fiddling off and you still have to go over it all and do it again... 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
my body, back and knees can only take so much.
Peoples Republic China 🇨🇳
You got it working just walk away at this point
I think Ted is doing the right thing. There are 2 good reasons for going the extra mile and checking for other problems. 1 is that your conscience is clear because you have identified the other problems so they can be fixed before they cause damage. 2 is that you protect yourself from being blamed for those other problems by having it documented that the owner was informed of the issues and that you didn't cause them.
Circus clown lol 😀
You didn't know Joe Biden used to be a HVAC installer? To be fair, neither did I, but that certainly looks like his best work.
I wonder if there will be a part two, after the landlord has you fix it up. Will you be able to convince him that it's worthwhile to replace that liquid line?
Imagine making politics your entire personality.
from watching your work that was the job of the hillbilly redneck hvac guy!
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PRC People's Republic of China