Marc Andreessen on Building Netscape & the Birth of the Browser

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  • čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
  • "We decided to design for the future." - Marc Andreessen | Welcome back to "The Ben & Marc Show," featuring a16z co-founders Marc Andreessen and Ben Horowitz. In this special episode, Marc and Ben dive deep into the REAL story behind the creation of Netscape-a web browser co-created by Marc that revolutionized the internet and changed the world.
    As Ben notes at the top, until today, this story has never been fully told either in its entirety or accurately.
    In this one-on-one conversation, Marc and Ben discuss Marc's early life and how it shaped his journey into technology, the pivotal moments at the University of Illinois that led to the development of Mosaic (a renegade browser that Marc developed as an undergrad), and the fierce competition and legal battles that ensued as Netscape rose to prominence.
    Ben and Marc also reflect on the broader implications of Netscape's success, the importance of an open internet, and the lessons learned that still resonate in today's tech landscape (especially with AI). That and much more. Enjoy!
    Topics covered:
    00:00:00 Teaser
    00:00:30 Intro
    00:02:09 Disclaimers
    00:04:08 Marc's early life and education
    00:08:18 Early exposure to personal computers and BBSs
    00:13:44 University of Illinois
    00:16:21 Credit to Al Gore
    00:18:09 "The internet would never be a business."
    00:22:02 Interactive television / Reed Hastings' vision for Netflix
    00:25:16 Early internet usage and community
    00:29:13 Paul Baran
    00:33:46 Consumer online services in the early 90s
    00:39:15 NCSA
    00:49:27 Development of Mosaic / Design philosophy
    00:58:20 Opposition in the internet community
    01:01:04 Going rogue and building Mosaic
    01:05:06 Marc becomes customer support for the entire internet
    01:08:26 Media and press reaction to Mosaic
    01:14:46 The ping pong effect / Key moments for the Internet
    01:19:27 First E-commerce site
    01:22:06 Graduation from UIUC
    01:25:39 Jim Clark / Decision to build an internet browser
    01:34:30 Marc on expert predictions
    01:38:43 Building Mosaic / Conflict w/ Spyglass
    01:44:05 Lawsuit against the University of Illinois
    01:49:34 Parallels to modern AI discussions
    01:51:40 The end of Spyglass ("A happy ending")
    01:54:40 Sign off
    #internet #podcast #history #tech #technology #entrepreneur #entrepreneurship #vc #founder #ai #artificialintelligence #business #vr #starwars #netflix #computer #netscape #marcandreessen #benhorowitz
    Book mentioned on this episode:
    - “Expert Political Judgment” by Philip E. Tetlock bit.ly/45KzP6M
    TV Series mentioned on this episode:
    - “The Mandalorian” (Disney+) bit.ly/3W0Zyoq
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Komentáře • 102

  • @travisratnam2095
    @travisratnam2095 Před 28 dny +34

    Marc’s story is particularly inspiring and deserves a biopic! His story has a happy ending and it’s not yet over!

  • @tim-finnigan
    @tim-finnigan Před 28 dny +27

    Great episode! Please do a part 2 to cover Netscape

  • @kboyle1127
    @kboyle1127 Před 27 dny +16

    Amazing story! Please do another episode on the Netscape story that Ben teased at the end.

  • @faneaziz1872
    @faneaziz1872 Před 28 dny +13

    Guys I miss you so much. I'm so happy today can't wait to listen to the content

  • @DanielleNewnham
    @DanielleNewnham Před 28 dny +13

    Amazing to hear the incredible startup story of Netscape... and from the man himself!

  • @michelsonthe9th
    @michelsonthe9th Před 22 dny +2

    Marc deserves a Nobel. The interconnection of humans via internet is one of the best things that happened to us in the last century.

  • @jonotaylor5011
    @jonotaylor5011 Před 25 dny +2

    Really good to hear the early 90s stuff back again. I remember being the first kid at school with Mosaic on my PC!

  • @cotedazure
    @cotedazure Před 23 dny +2

    Definitely want the Netscape story!! The full story, pretty please!

  • @agrove1
    @agrove1 Před 23 dny +2

    It's incredible that this is free

  • @larrylozon
    @larrylozon Před 27 dny +2

    Great walk back to those days Marc. I still remember advance teams at EDS running us through our first Mosaic experience. Definitely much more pleasing than a Lynx browser but confused the hell out of the other side of the group attempting to pitch AOL an outsourcing deal. Then you and JC making the connection that made it all so, changing the course of tech at the crucial point in which the core components to drive mass adoption were laid in place. The first meeting with Mosaic Communications days after you moved into the first office on the 6th floor of a building in downtown Mountain View.
    You and Ben are now practically obliged to tell part 2. Preparing the popcorn now.

  • @amishthaker7270
    @amishthaker7270 Před 12 dny

    This episode is amazing. Give perspective to how things have changed over the last 30 years. When a guy like Marc from a town of 1309 people can create the internet (read browser), it gives motivation that we can make it big too.

  • @faneaziz1872
    @faneaziz1872 Před 28 dny +13

    Also I think this so great to discuss Netscape as personal ai agent will give rise to the network agents. Thank you much

  • @jtildetaamand
    @jtildetaamand Před 27 dny +2

    This story should be turned into a series for streaming.

  • @joelalain
    @joelalain Před 27 dny +3

    i've been looking yearly on amazon for a biography of Marc Andreessen and i'm always sad that he doesn't have one. all interesting and's / or successful people should have one so we can learn their story and be inspired by it. please marc, if you read comments, have someone write your biography.

  • @kabayobill4055
    @kabayobill4055 Před 27 dny +5

    we need part 2 Netscape story competitiing with microsoft

  • @BauldyBoys
    @BauldyBoys Před 23 dny +2

    Would love to hear more stories from Marc. If the editor could also pull up some additional media that would be a nice touch. News paper articles, old photos of Marc etc.

  • @tast4527
    @tast4527 Před 28 dny +3

    Absolutely want to hear the Netscape story!

  • @tethron.
    @tethron. Před 28 dny +4

    The show has been popping off lately!

  • @rubic0n2008
    @rubic0n2008 Před 28 dny +3

    MS and Netscape story! Lets goooooo

  • @user-ny4og5ce3f
    @user-ny4og5ce3f Před 11 dny

    I'm only 2/3rds through this, but I need a miniseries. This is an incredible life story.

  • @gschifini
    @gschifini Před 28 dny +15

    Part 2 please Netscape. I remember buying a disk from JR in New York with the Netscape software. I have always been just a dopy user. About a week later I found out you could just download it for free.

  • @GianGiovanii
    @GianGiovanii Před 28 dny +2

    Historical insights, quite literally. Love it.
    I wish the sound could be better.

  • @arnoldsk
    @arnoldsk Před 28 dny +9

    I started my Web business in April of 1994, so I remember all of this. Two points. First, AOL did not give Web access to its users until *August 1995* which was killing me. Plus that was when Windows 95 finally came out, the first version that had native Internet protocols installed. Second, the triumph of the Internet architecture was predicted by Hal Varian (later chief economist at Google) in a working paper where he and his co-author saw that packet-switching costs were going down because of Moore's Law, but circuit switching did not benefit nearly as much. So it was just a matter of time before all the existing closed networks all failed. Finally, if you go on to talk about Netscape, you'll have to get into what a crappy server you guys produced.

  • @MindFieldMusic
    @MindFieldMusic Před 28 dny +4

    Yes please re Netscape story too:)

  • @BlizzardzRS
    @BlizzardzRS Před 28 dny +3

    Would love to hear the Netscape story.

  • @nbme-answers
    @nbme-answers Před 28 dny +4

    University of Illinois's finest !

  • @sanejbandgar2733
    @sanejbandgar2733 Před 20 dny +1

    This was gold ❤kind of National Geographic or history channel episode of computing

  • @donaldgriffin6383
    @donaldgriffin6383 Před 22 dny +1

    Give us the Netscape story!!! Great episode

  • @onetwokaafour
    @onetwokaafour Před 28 dny +2

    This was great! We want Netscape story

  • @mikestaub
    @mikestaub Před 27 dny +1

    Thanks for sharing! It was fun to browse the code on while listening

  • @VincentFulco
    @VincentFulco Před 28 dny +2

    Really enjoyable episodes. Always some food for thought. Kudos!

  • @JCGaal
    @JCGaal Před 17 dny

    that Nick Land Hyperstition reference being at the center of Marc's work is priceless

  • @awesomederekbai8
    @awesomederekbai8 Před 15 dny

    Marc you should totally write a book, this is history here

  • @VincentFulco
    @VincentFulco Před 28 dny +3

    That's the joke of all these 'xyz people who code' groups. Technology has no barriers to entry and is the great equalizer. No one is being discriminated against. Web info is free, PCs cost almost nothing, YT and twitch distribution is free. All it takes is an insane amount of focus and will/desire to do hard work.

  • @stanleyjohn1103
    @stanleyjohn1103 Před 18 dny

    Loved it Marc, elucidated that part of web history so well !!!

  • @damirbabacic1113
    @damirbabacic1113 Před 25 dny

    Looking forward to Pt.2 on Netscape!

  • @Warley.Araujo
    @Warley.Araujo Před 28 dny +2

    Great Interview!!

  • @ama4617
    @ama4617 Před 26 dny

    Please do a second part, It will be awsome to know more about ben and marc professional relathionship in those days.

  • @jaientenduunevoix726
    @jaientenduunevoix726 Před 25 dny

    Everyone should learn and be inspired by your story

  • @dmiltenberger
    @dmiltenberger Před 17 dny

    Amazing episode! Would love to hear the story about Netscape!!!

  • @mikestaub
    @mikestaub Před 27 dny +1

    Thanks for sharing! It was fun to browse the code on github while listening.

  • @denysholovatyi3149
    @denysholovatyi3149 Před 24 dny

    this was fantastic, and yes we need to hear more about Netscape

  • @jbrownson
    @jbrownson Před 26 dny

    awesome story, thanks for documenting it, one vote for a Netscape part 2

  • @WhitneyDB
    @WhitneyDB Před 24 dny +1

    💯 DEFINITELY would listen and "like" the Netscape story... And Ben's first Rap concert (purposefully not using the term hip-hop 😆)

  • @rockaroundtheweb
    @rockaroundtheweb Před 26 dny

    Fascinating podcast, from start to finish. Yes, as others have urged, please do a Netscape followup.

  • @paramendra
    @paramendra Před 22 dny +1

    I remember using Netscape! :)

  • @RedshortsAllDay
    @RedshortsAllDay Před 12 dny +1

    Redshorts represents Crypto.
    That’s my elevator pitch, 100% owner and not in dept. Nice to meet you!

  • @HamounKarami-xe5zv
    @HamounKarami-xe5zv Před 26 dny +1

    This episode should have been called "Corn, Cows and Computers"

  • @brianholmes6445
    @brianholmes6445 Před 6 dny

    Really enjoyed all of this! Would love to hear the Netscape story.

  • @superresistant0
    @superresistant0 Před 28 dny +2

    amazing

  • @marctwashere3653
    @marctwashere3653 Před 27 dny

    Please more like this. It was so good to listen to

  • @camilordofficial
    @camilordofficial Před 28 dny +2

    That was greatttttt

  • @larryvelezbx
    @larryvelezbx Před 28 dny +1

    Great episode, great history!
    Was Bezos aware of the little bookstore that was doing e-commerce when he started Amazon?

  • @amishthaker7270
    @amishthaker7270 Před 9 dny

    Definitely want to hear the netscape story.

  • @boypotus
    @boypotus Před 5 dny

    I learn so much from these guys it’s unbelievable 💸

  • @bwhit7919
    @bwhit7919 Před 26 dny +1

    The University of Illinois system has $3 billion in endowment. They could have doubled that if they settled with Netscape. Crazy.

  • @elliptictree
    @elliptictree Před 28 dny +2

    Interesting!.

  • @nooz1394
    @nooz1394 Před 12 dny

    That was such a let down when I realized you're not gonna tell netscape story. You have to do part 2 I'm begging you.

  • @pebre79
    @pebre79 Před 26 dny

    Yes. Keep going!

  • @briantheoakbrookpicker578

    Shout out to all of the 1989 Snyder Hall guys at U of I - wild story re the actions by the University - they messed up big time - congrats to Marc for all of his success

  • @dvcoolster
    @dvcoolster Před 25 dny

    Thanks guys for sharing this, I desperately have been looking for this story for 15 years. I am a serial entrepreneur from India, drinking the silicon valley cool aid ever since Mark Zuckerberg rejected the $B acquisition by Yahoo in 2007. Would really want to learn from fighting Microsoft as a startup and the early IPO etc. Please please share!

  • @michaelmeram6156
    @michaelmeram6156 Před 28 dny +2

    Sup Marc and Ben

  • @christianjon8064
    @christianjon8064 Před 27 dny +1

    cool story bro

  • @trumpyla
    @trumpyla Před 27 dny +1

    🔥

  • @madmonkrx7
    @madmonkrx7 Před 28 dny +5

    The urge to be first…

  • @yeabsirasefr6209
    @yeabsirasefr6209 Před 24 dny

    marc really likes saying "uh, you know" LOL

  • @romiljain2092
    @romiljain2092 Před 24 dny

    WE WANT TO HEAR THE NETSCAPE STORY!

  • @eugeniocg3079
    @eugeniocg3079 Před 27 dny +1

    epic

  • @timtunnel1996
    @timtunnel1996 Před 20 dny

    Marc... You should invite Dr Jim Clarke in your podcast

  • @TuitionNearMe
    @TuitionNearMe Před 26 dny

    🙏

  • @lutjenlee
    @lutjenlee Před 18 dny

    netscape story please!!!

  • @issoof6322
    @issoof6322 Před 4 dny

    MoMa museum was founded by John D. Rockefeller Jr Wife
    Roosevelt Sr. Founded The American Natural History Museum

  • @swhanel
    @swhanel Před 10 dny

    Netscape Everywhere Team, Fight!

  • @qustosh
    @qustosh Před 26 dny

    Give us the netscape story!!!!

  • @One00042
    @One00042 Před 6 dny

    1:05:10 ?

  • @One00042
    @One00042 Před 6 dny

    👍🏿

  • @usman_gondal_youtube
    @usman_gondal_youtube Před 26 dny

    oh look, its pmarca

  • @question_asker_93
    @question_asker_93 Před 27 dny

    The "experts are wrong" reminds me of near universal dismissal of crypto....and yet I'm still largely dismissive of crypto. Guess we'll see in time real use cases

  • @mrjaysahli
    @mrjaysahli Před 17 dny +1

    It's what you don't call Netscape anymore, after Bill Gates squashed it, and AOL bailed them out...😅

  • @OnionKnight541
    @OnionKnight541 Před 28 dny +8

    to the first point about founders and silver spoons, this is something that bothers me. i haven't yet read or heard of a founder that didn't have good parents (at least one). many founders had the money and stability and connections that come with that, too. but can anyone find a successful american founder who did not have a good parent or mentor?

    • @testing-vj2ke
      @testing-vj2ke Před 28 dny

      Nature varies and selects.

    • @nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384
      @nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 Před 28 dny

      shh dont speak the truth bro..

    • @simonnilsson5356
      @simonnilsson5356 Před 28 dny

      It’s literally the opposite and that’s their point. Remember this is tech, there are many other industries. Marc didn’t have a silver spoon for example.

    • @lucianoferreyra7744
      @lucianoferreyra7744 Před 28 dny

      I encourage you to keep reading, there are so many… from Rockefeller to Larry Ellison, and many more

  • @ty2k
    @ty2k Před 28 dny

    Visibly evil guy but I like Firefox so I'll watch this some time

  • @vvee4725
    @vvee4725 Před 28 dny +1

    Can I just say, Emerald mines, or gem mines in general, are absolutely horrible businesses. If you look at how they operate it's terrible business to be in.

  • @Eggs-n-Jakey
    @Eggs-n-Jakey Před 28 dny

    I am convinced that half of the comments are from bots/ai, I know that sounds crazy...but why does it sound crazy? Great episode lol

  • @nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384

    sorry but elon's father literally owned an emerald mine... like there is literal proof?

    • @Eggs-n-Jakey
      @Eggs-n-Jakey Před 28 dny +2

      Link the proof so we can debate it

    • @nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384
      @nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 Před 28 dny

      @@Eggs-n-Jakey
      JC: How do you handle fear?
      EM: Company death - not succeeding with the company - causes me a lot more stress than physical danger. But I’ve been in physical danger before. The funny thing is I’ve not actually been that nervous. In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia. I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn’t realize how dangerous it was. I couldn’t find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother’s - which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I’m thinking, “Man, this could really go bad.”

    • @Eggs-n-Jakey
      @Eggs-n-Jakey Před 28 dny

      ​@@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 who is JC? jesus? do you have a link?

    • @Eggs-n-Jakey
      @Eggs-n-Jakey Před 28 dny

      @@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 that's not a link that's copy/pasta from some resource

  • @TerryKinder
    @TerryKinder Před 28 dny

    Marc begins with the Joe Biden defense…

  • @dubnet69
    @dubnet69 Před 28 dny

    Take care Tiff. I could swear you were giving out financial advice/opinions...
    Some might even go so far as to think you may have a pretty blatant conflict of interest...
    Just saying - with a pinch of cringe...