Marc Andreessen on His Intellectual Journey the Past Ten Years
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Marc Andreessen of a16z sits with Erik Torenberg to go deeper into his intellectual and political journey, and his quest to find out how the world works.
PODCAST INFO:
Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/3z8TldL
Spotify: bit.ly/40letd0
Podcast website: bit.ly/40BAjbH
SOCIAL LINKS:
Erik’s Twitter: @eriktorenberg
Marc’s Twitter: @pmarca
Podcast Twitter: @Upstream__Pod
Erik’s Substack: eriktorenberg.substack.com
Marc’s Substack: pmarca.substack.com
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(03:25) How much has Marc changed vs the world changed?
(06:55) How much do ideas matter? Who drives society - the elite or the masses?
(09:56) People respond to interests more than ideas
(12:08) Mental models for the left and the right
(14:45) Sponsors (Secureframe | Mercury | MarketerHire)
(16:53) The road to hell is paved with good intentions
(18:40) Master morality and slave morality
(23:20) Unpacking Elon’s quote “Wokeness is the mind-virus”
(26:00) Is classical liberalism sustainable and how it leads to wokeness
(35:00) James Burnham’s worldview
(42:50) How the left captured the institutions
(45:20) Elon as the return to entrepreneurial capitalism
(48:03) The experiments Elon is running
(54:50) The billionaire mindset toward politics
(57:30) We live in an oligarchy, not a democracy
(1:06:00) Larry Page is the contrarian billionaire
(1:07:30) Effective Altruism’s blind spots
(1:10:36) Effective altruists think they can play god
(1:11:16) SBF’s roll-the-dice philosophy
(1:13:23) Aristocratic vs Meritocratic elite
(1:21:48) Elites are insulated from the consequences of their policies
(1:23:53) Why global governance is a nerd trap
(1:27:16) Global governance is anti-diversity
(1:30:42) Tech people are politically homeless
(1:31:37) Elites can’t be removed, they can only be replaced
(1:35:02) Advice for counter-elites
(1:47:21) Reasons to be optimistic
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Thanks to Marc Andreessen for being our first guest. Thank you to Molly Mielke, Avidan Rudansky, Natalie Toren, and Embassy and Third for editing and animated graphics.
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(03:25) How much has Marc changed vs the world changed?
(06:55) How much do ideas matter? Who drives society - the elite or the masses?
(09:56) People respond to interests more than ideas
(12:08) Mental models for the left and the right
(14:45) Sponsors (Secureframe | Mercury | MarketerHire)
(16:53) The road to hell is paved with good intentions
(18:40) Master morality and slave morality
(23:20) Unpacking Elon’s quote “Wokeness is the mind-virus”
(26:00) Is classical liberalism sustainable and how it leads to wokeness
(35:00) James Burnham’s worldview
(42:50) How the left captured the institutions
(45:20) Elon as the return to entrepreneurial capitalism
(48:03) The experiments Elon is running
(54:50) The billionaire mindset toward politics
(57:30) We live in an oligarchy, not a democracy
(1:06:00) Larry Page is the contrarian billionaire
(1:07:30) Effective Altruism’s blind spots
(1:10:36) Effective altruists think they can play god
(1:11:16) SBF’s roll-the-dice philosophy
(1:13:23) Aristocratic vs Meritocratic elite
(1:21:48) Elites are insulated from the consequences of their policies
(1:23:53) Why global governance is a nerd trap
(1:27:16) Global governance is anti-diversity
(1:30:42) Tech people are politically homeless
(1:31:37) Elites can’t be removed, they can only be replaced
(1:35:02) Advice for counter-elites
(1:47:21) Reasons to be optimistic
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Thanks!
hands down one of the most interesting podcasts i've ever listened to
Indeed
Congratulations on your first episode and thank you for this conversation. Looking forward to E2!
The new pod looks great, Erik! Thanks for creating and sharing this sort of work while simultaneously working on MOZ and more.
expansive! thank you. thoroughly impressed by the upcoming guest list as well. getting to listen to Marc's sharp thoughtfulness is educational and entertaining.
Great first episode. Thanks for creating and sharing!!
Erik absolutely killing it lately w/ content! :)
Thank You for this upload. Marc is amazing
One of the first 1000 subscribers. I feel pretty good about that.
Fantastic starting episode. Congratulations. 🎉
Awesome interview. Please continue!
Hi Erik! If you enable the download option it will be useful for many if us. We can listen while the internet is unstable. Thanks in advance ❤
Thank you Erik! Great conversation to listen to while shipping.
Excited for this series!
Love it. Would be cool to see Venkatesh Rao as a guest.
Remember, Marc was very instrumental in bringing about the current state of affairs; and he's just now trying to figure things out.
good discussion. andreessen is a very interesting thinker.
Awesome conversation!
Erik, I really enjoyed Execs. Will you be continuing with that podcast?
Wow! Way to launch podcast ))
Off to a great start!
Strong start
Protect Marc at all costs. Cathedral gonna seethe after this one
he'll be more than fine
He talks about SBF when was this recorded?
I would love to have lunch with Marc he’s way of thinking is as profound as is logic , only person ever to talk faster than me
Your tenor began to mirror Marc's cadence the longer the interview went on. Was interesting to witness. In the beginning, you were distinct and deliberate and much slower in your wording, but the longer the interview went on the more exactly like Marc you began to speak like. Almost identically.
Thank you!!
the last 5 or so timestamps are off by a lot
Love how much Thomas Sowell comes up in these
It’s pretty cool when a properly smart dude like Marc comes around to your way of thinking, or having realisations about politics in a similar way.
He’s also humble enough to not assume he knows anything and build from ground up.
Hey Erik, can you add Marc’s book recommendations in the notes. He mentions a few. 🙏🏻
Author recommended: James Burnham, video link:
czcams.com/video/-VBj1gzxFkg/video.html
I need the name of the book related to patriotism
@@InkaHacker look at the transcript, and look for any words you can remember around that topic
twitter.com/Upstream__Pod/status/1640866426029318144?s=20
We did a whole tweet thread on the books, topics, and people Marc mentioned.
Follow @Upstream__Pod on Twitter to get the list every episode plus clips and more content!
this is amazing
Finishing with high praise for Thomas Sowell. Made my day.
Starting strong!
This episode was fire
Why do you have so few ads? You need like more 10-20 ads
Interesting observation at about 46:10: Venture capitalism is, in effect, the return of bourgeois capitalism into managerial capitalism.
Take a shot every time he says "you know"
cool pod
Can VCs have intellectual journey?
спасибо за этот контент!
Take a shot every time he says “you know”.
marc just gave a water-ed down yarvin's unqualified reservations
30:24 I pine for Led Zeppelin, Yes, and Rush.
This interview should be played at x0.85 - x0.9 speed in order to better assimilate. Marc at actual speed always feels like 2 words per word 😅
It is super quick….I’d like them to slow down, consider the difficulty of their subject matter and the level of ability of their audience….
This should be a required course in every high school in America.
wish this was an infinite podcast
Weird thesis that it has to be one way or the other. Societies seem to work best when we find a balance between rules and structure vs discretion to care about people. Disappointing that someone so smart could think so narrowly.
lol Andreessen has the habit of saying adding 'you know' in almost every sentence
E363: The Jonathan Kogan Show ❤
I see everyone here thanking me for this interview....You are welcome. Marc's pretty rad. :-p
Now go build a company to topple our current oligarchy that thinks they know better how to live YOUR life than you do.
Inconvenient to note that private equity is "evolving" into the very conglomerates that launched the industry.
that's so true. PE is evolving into oligarchy
These are the topics that academics chat about in the lunch room.
don't agree on all counts but thought marc had some insightful and thoughtful discussion.
interviewer on the other hand - frankly would've liked less of haha.
some of the questions are incredibly loaded and the bias glaringly blatant. I don't expect a change in opinion per se, but respectfully, I think a more critical introspection of beliefs may help in making the interviewing less jarring. I physically winced on more than one occasion, a reaction not even my strongest disagreements with marc elicited lol. There are ways you can discuss such topics without making these weird implicit assertions within the question haha
Author recommended: James Burnham, video link:
czcams.com/video/-VBj1gzxFkg/video.html
CA has the best economy with the best social guardrails, resulting in the longest life expectancies of the states except for Hawaii.
great episode just one thing: could you center yourself on camera? 😅
I'm emotionally centered
I love this..! Let me suggest the grounding fathers of the new elite: Niall Ferguson, Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen, Peter Thiel, Douglas Murray, Lionel Shriver, Nic Carter, Konstatin Kissin.. and others in that caliber.. IQ 140+, an understanding of history, real achievements, and a positive attitude is a requirement. I think it is happening as we speak, I don't know anyone who like the current Davos elite..
There should be an Internet Book - an evolving yearly encyclopaedia with all those thinkers so the TV generation can get a glimpse into how much bandwidth they miss out on… add Peterson, the Weinsteins, Shapiro, Hirshi Ali, The MFM crew etc
Nic carter😂😂
Someone who builds cars knows more about cars than someone who rides or drives cars, hence the thinker-doer criteria from Steve jobs IMO is very useful to filter for “good people to listen to.”
At least the Davos elite believe in climate change. If Marc's main point is: (paraphrasing) "It's not a question of being governed by elites, but a question of choosing which group of elites is better at building a workable future", choosing the elites that are ideologically incapable of recognizing the largest systemic threat to the species should be automatically disqualifying. If our elites can't deal with this problem, then how they deal with the other problems is irrelevant.
Konstantin Kisin is a opportunistic grifter. Niall Ferguson is as establishment as you can possibly get. ALL of the aforementioned are far more concerned about actual Right Wing politics making a comeback more than the looney left currently in power. In sum, their highest aspirations involve defending post war truth regime. Right wing politics were essentially outlawed in 1945, can that last?
I know
40:54 "The answer of who runs General Motors is clearly the managers, not the owners". No. Customers run General Motors.
5 x "you know" per minute
Marc’s problem is he speaks too fast with too much useless info which makes the density of information low, almost like he has to speak a lot to buy him time to think, which prevents him from being a top level thinker. Take a pause, think thoroughly, organize the thoughts, hit the point directly. No need to fill the blank, especially with such infamous status
12 is boba but 13 is kiki
And yet he couldn't explain crypto in layman terms 😂 but now ai is obviously the next big thing
“You know”
you know
Quality shit. As an aside, if I got a dollar for every time he said “you know”, I’d have more money than him ;)
Hmm, I’m confused. The Judeo Christian paradigm puts God in the master position. It’s not entirely based on a slave or master paradigm, it pulls from both, and certainly makes man accountable to things more virtuous than himself. I don’t see how the slave paradigm leads directly to Communism either. I wanted to give this talk a fair shake, but really big concepts are jumbled from the beginning.
I'm thinking worse than that; because it comes across as so profound and fools so many. Rather watch Cunk on Earth for a better understanding of how things unfolded. Maybe Marc should go back to school and learn from Timothy Snyder.
Or you didn't understand it. JC puts God in pseudo master position. God is just a proxy, an idea through with Pope (master) rules using his underlings to control believers (slaves)
"you know"
if only nietzsche was required reading, we'd be in much better shape.
Overrated
you know...
So he invests in Wework 2....
Eggman!
They can be replaced by a non-human entity
11:15 That's what Xi said.
Marc is a smart guy, however he completely glosses over that "managers" are owners too (in the modern corporation a significant portion of their compensation and virtually all their upside sits in their stock options). His take on innovation is also deeply flawed... The overlap between innovation and management doesn't need to be small - and in many well run organizations, is quite high.
Which large (manager run) organization is innovating?
@@mgetommythere are but very rare. A factor is risk averse nature
I love rich people telling me how they and their friend are oppressing me 😂
This guy a literal egg head 😲
host of this pod is hard to listen to
Marc has a cruel and ruthless ideology.
Easy, "just" create The Federation from Star Trek, problem solved.
I don't think this guy explains how Christianity equates in any way to modern leftism.
annotations
4:03
5:05
17:19
1:27:33
We tried creating a new elite and failed. Look at jail time for forbes 30 under 30.
Marx combined gnosticism and hermeticism intoa. dangerous fusion that results in a lot of the terrible things we see today in school.
An elite venture capitalist telling me the future can only depend on elite venture capitalists "because communism", among other ideas as fresh as 1919.
Curious how you see the future progressing. He's definitely talking his own book
@@mgetommy "Progressing" is definitely not the word I would use to describe how I see the future unfolding -- to put it mildly. :)
@@mcapello8836 what do you think the future should depend on. not trying to dunk, just genuinely curious
@@mgetommy I don't think it matters. All these discussions about capitalism, effective altruism, the role of current elites, etc., are irrelevant because all the major decisions have already been made and now it's just a process of watching the rest of the game play out. We had two potentially good options to deal with industrialization -- capitalism and socialism -- and they both failed. There's no time to fix or reinvent either one and no time to invent an alternative. All of the thinkers on the scene today, including Marc, are a generation (or two) too late, and most of the players responsible for the current impasse are already dead. Our civilization is like a person with ALS -- the mind is still spinning but the body is paralyzed.
@@mcapello8836what major decisions are you referring to?
Why do you have this crypto grifter on your podcase lol
Smart but super creepy dude.
Guy just shows how brainwashed highly intelligent people really are.
You know, ya know, you know, you know… cringe
Your introductions are so cringe
The darth Vader
Egglord goes full monologue