Will These Collabs Save Zenless Zone Zero from Failure?
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- The Zenless Zone Zero x SF6 Collab is Bigger Than You Think. Hoyoverse having ANY partnership with Capcom is HUGE and right now, I believe a number of you are severely underestimating just what a collaboration like this presents. In today's video, Iyo breaks down why ZZZ x SF6 is a crazy crossover idea and how amazing this can be for both fighting game and gacha players!
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Idk how the hoyoverse playerbase is so against a collab 💀 it really ain’t that deep. If they don’t want the collab, they can simply not partake in it. But gatekeeping it just because THEY don’t want it is wild. I’m down for the collab. Gimmi chun li and ryu
@Xailei_ any kind of collaboration is great. I'm hoping they have some quality of life add ons. Emotes/emoticons. Sprays. Plus loading screens would be great as well
@@Xailei_ you clearly never seen the neon genesis evangelion collab with honkai impact 3rd have you?
They made asuka an A rank Valkyrie you could only pull for in a single version, with all her gear behind gacha.
Plus had four outfits, two of which were just herscherr of reason premium gacha crystal sink dumps.
Plus the version immediately after they released an s rank physical attacker slash support, the same role and damage type as the collab character.
They did Asuka extremely bad and they were rather stingie on the resources since you had to pull even harsher then an s rank, with PRI ARM conditions to boot, since asuka had to be brought up to triple s to be atleast somewhat ok.
They straight up didn’t even bother to make her meta for longer than a single patch.
Alloy in Genshite impact was atleast free, even if you could get no constellations, and came with a free bow. But they pulled the same gag of getting rid of them as limited time only units, which genshite atleast had build variety to let collab type units shine.
And then you had Fischal being added to honkai impact 3rd, who was ridiculously amazing and they added the ice wolf boss too, but they did not even bother to grant anything to genshite, not even a name card backdrop for your profile atleast.
This goes to show that mihoyo is HORRIBLE, with actual collabs.
Throw in the fact they caused a massive backlash with the KFC glider controversy where people raided KFC in Japan I believe, to hoarde those gliders that police intervention happened.
Yeah, mihoyo done a lot of ‘real world collabs’ with all those outfits shown off but didn’t think, it would make a lot of money if they made those fancy outfits in the Jpegs as actual outfits.
Seriously, it’s a massive meme with genshiTE fanbase modding said outfits into the game.
Oh and then there was the promare collab where I was not around, but from what I saw, they took the most lazy route and threw in some premium outfit junk and typical mostly useless fanbait stigmata’s and didn’t do much beyond that, so it was just a premium cash sink trap, with the outfits not really close in actual similarity to the promare cast besides the protagonist slash first antagonist of the story.
Moral of the story: zenless zone zero, if they are already were to pull collab announcements before the game come out or not even be a YEAR into its actual game presence, would be incredibly scummy of a j’bait move to attract people before the game got its presence first setup first.
Plenty of other games like punishing gray raven, Dragalia lost and Mobius final fantasy and moar, still let the games cook a bit before they broke out collabs outside of thar own IP usage.
Such as NIER automata, persona 5 and dragon quest(RIP that global never got this one with mobius) respectively.
@@BladeSerph ok so what gives u the right to gatekeep it from coming to the game? Collabs r optional. If it’s a unit u have to purchase, simply don’t buy it. It’s not that hard. But u gatekeeping that from those who want it is disingenuous as fuck. The zenless team is different from the Honkai and genshit team, and if u haven’t noticed, each character in zenless feels, looks, and fights different from each other, which probably helps because their weapon types aren’t locked like genshin. If zenless were to bring in ryu or chun li I believe they would make them fun. And unlike Honkai, there’s no PvP. I for one, would love a street fighter collab. If it’s “not well done” simply don’t partake in it, it’s that simple. In a game who’s combat I believe to be way more fun than genshin, I think they will do a way better job incorporating a collab character that feels great to play.
TLDR: ur not everyone nor will u represent everyone. Just because YOU don’t want it, doesn’t mean u get to dictate whether or not it gets added to the game. If it’s added to the game u have the option to not partake in it. Where if u completely lock it out, u remove that choice from those who would love a collab. Just take a look at the multiple Overwatch collabs: transformers, Porsche, Le Seraphim, cowboy beep bop, one punch man, etc. if people don’t like the skins, they simply don’t buy them. But I gacha players r so fucking blind when it comes to this shit, and don’t realize that collabs r very positive for a game, as people who would’ve never picked up the game would pick it up because a character they know is in it. Again, ur not the company, so stop trying to act as if u know the logistics and profit margins. Even if hoyo were to lose money on the collab, they make more than all of Sony. Legit chill tf out and learn to have fun with games as they were intended, kind of hilarious how u dumbasses think u know what’s best for a company, while simultaneously disregarding those who want that feature just because YOU don’t want it in the game. Main difference? Is that u have a choice to not do it vs physically not being able to have one. Stop pretending to be this stuck up prick who thinks they know anything and everything about what the playerbase wants or doesn’t want or what the company will benefit from or not. Legit u gacha game players r so fucking brain rotted it’s ridiculous. Grow tf up.
@@BladeSerph legit chill out bro. Ur taking this shit way too serious. Stop trying to pretend like ur the company and know what’s best for it. If the collab is bad, simply don’t partake in it. But don’t get all high and mighty just because YOUU don’t want it. Overwatch has collaborated with multiple franchises, if people didn’t like the skin, they didn’t buy them. But the point of a collab is to get people excited to see things from other games they like, in a game they’re currently playing. U gacha players r so brainrotted to the point where u wana gatekeep features just because YOU think u know what’s best, when in reality u take that choice away from those who do want it. Legit u proved my point, as to how brainrotted gacha players are when thinking in the big picture.
If we were gonna bring up evangelion and the horizon zero dawn collab, which of those two are even comparable to the relevancy of street fighter? Both r not really that iconic. Sure evangelion was one of the best mecha anime’s, but a series like Naruto/MHA/one piece/ dragon ball, are series even people who don’t watch anime know. The same can be said for street fighter. A lot of that is thanks to Ken and ryu being in smash bros, pretty much every kid knows what smash bros is, which is another game that has successfully added multiple franchises together into one game. I’d argue that street fighter characters like ryu, Ken, and Chun li, are equivalent to Mario Luigi and peach in regards to how iconic they are for the fighting game space. Trying to compare them to alloy and asuka is not even close.
TLDR: stop gatekeeping something u legit have the option to not do from those who want it. Ur not the company. Grow up.
Don't overgeneralize. Ask any GGZ or HI3 (or even ToT, but they specialize in irl stuff) player about their feelings on collabs and I promise you you'll change your mind.
Ain't no way Iyo got Iyokuu to talk about fighting games on his channel. Now that's an insane collab.
LMAO Right!?
What I find crazy is why do people think it’s a bad thing. Aren’t most collabs good to make a broader and bigger appeal for audiences on both sides of the fandom?
This is different because it doesn't appeal to the core audience of gacha games. It also wouldn't make that many fighting game players convert over and stay long term. There's a reason most collabs happen between games of the same nature or anime. Realistically the majority of people who play these games would not even care about the collab unless they were also interested in the fighting game. Meaning the collab would have little benefits and would need to bring hot female characters just to try to squeeze at the same revenue they would get from a normal new character. Movesets as inspiration would be cool but I also wouldn't want them to get lazy and start making tons of movesets just heavily inspired from something else. Final fantasy,anime, nier and stuff similar would be a way better collab approach for them to go down. Even then I'd limit collabs to 1-2 a year at most. This is different from a persona HSR collab because both persona and HSR are 2 anime style turn based games. The genre of game matters quite a bit when it comes to getting new players in. They are currently focusing on getting all platforms including Xbox and switch. Xbox denied them last time but after Genshin and HSR success I doubt they will again and switch I assume just wasn't ready at the time.
The "wider audience" is an illusion. Appealing to those outside the target audience only pisses off the target audience without ever appealing to those outside the target audience. People need to get this idiocy out of their heads. You either have a target audience or no audience at all.
Capcom Vs Hoyoverse WOULD GO CRAZY. CVH
Just want Kafka so I don't have to play DNF duel to play the Katana + Uzi combo.
nah it doesn't fit at all.
I rather what to see Guilty gear vs Hoyoverse
RE engine is something completelly separate to unity or unreal. It's an in house engine developed by capcom, and the first game that featured it was RE7, if I am not mistaken.
Also, Digimon World 3 is great.
I've grinded away many hours of my lifetime(mostly in my childhood) across multiple saves of that game.
Correct RE7 was the first game to use RE Engine and has nothing to do with Unreal engine.
So fun to see you covering ZZZ, especially since your take is one I haven’t seen elsewhere 💪
Was waiting to hear your thoughts on it🤣 It might be asking a lot, but them taking inspiration from others aswell like gg or even tekken would be cool.
As much as I'd like for a deep collaboration, this does look to me just more like just a marketing thing more than anything else, I doubt there has been any talks about gameplay or anything like that.
Again, I hope I'm wrong, but the interview with the ZZZ director had a couple of statements that showed that they are going super casual with the game, saying they want to keep a low difficulty at the beginning to not overwhelm players, or that they plan updates to be played for a short period of time and then you leave the game aside until the next one (they compared it to returning to your favorite show whenever there's a new season).
My take is that ZZZ will at least have some solid mechanics (like animation cancels and whatnot) that will make it feel good, but that at the end of the day will be completely unnecessary to clear the content, it would be just something you can do to have fun.
ZZZ devs are already goated just for the digimon reference
The best Gameplay of ZZZ is the Drama it makes.
A lot of Juicy contents xD
played cbt2, currently play a lot of sf6, very excited for this. HOWEVER seeing the previous sf6 colabs im worried this wont live up to any kinda potential it has. Hoping for literally any or all of this stuff
Great video, but where did you get those mods for cammy e chun li? For no particular reason...
Discord. 💀
Tectone's coming for ya 🫵🏻😂😂
I came from the fighter game scene, i played sf, kof, mvc, guilty gear.. now i play gacha games.. if i can pull for a street fighter character i am gonna pull.. i said i was gonna be fully f2p for ZZZ but a sf character is probably gonna change that 😢
There are some problems and benefits I see from this and it's more so that other companys have tried this to a extent. Zzz will be more polished and higher quality than those games but im afraid the results would be the same. That being said I like the concept idea of movesets and bosses like from MH or Dmc being added in some way. But the audience at it's core won't change if they did fighting game collab best case just a quick buck. Having their movesets would be good though just for character variety. Collabs like 2b from neir or Yor from spy family would be alot more in line with the general player base as collab options even over characters like vergil and dante i think their move sets on the other hand would be crazy to see on a future zzz character.
Last time hoyo game got collaboration we ended with Aloy in genshin, that was 5* but was not able to get any constellations and was worst character in game... So keep you expectations low
you forgot about the goated Evangelion collab and asuka definitely wasn't terrible. still use her. but other than that their collabs are nonexistent
@@Qkochan3 nonexistent? Houkai Gakuen 2 have a huge list of Collab with other IP's, how is this nonexistent?
Aloy is not a really collab, it's just Playstation want to sell Horizon Zero by grappling genshin popularity since Playstation help alot in Genshin success, Hoyo just have to collab with him for business relationship
Thank yo for expanding my knowledge on this topic
i don't always like collabs...But when I do,,,
I remember another gacha game - Dx2 had a huge ammount of collabs...
And great ones too...
It's a SMT game...So you know there is an urban fantasy with demons being your companions and a God being rejected...
And it actually features Dante from the Devil May Cry series...
And Nero...
And V...
And Bayonetta...
And blood...
And Guts...
And Zodd...
And a Skull Knight...
And Kusanagi from the Ghost in the Shell for whatever reason...
And Tachikoma...
And it's a JRPG...
Now imagine it in ZZZ...
Thanks for giving your point of view. I agree that the fighting game player market is a smart target for Hoyo to go after next.
Anyway good video!
If this is the next step towards a Star Rail fighting game then let's go. I need that shit
I used to be active in FGC, I'm hyped for this, holyyyy
Valid af, I grew up with fighting games. Steet Fighter II being my first game ever, I'd be hyped af if they brought some aspects to ZZZ
Just going to comment to say I'd be mad happy to have more cc's in the space for ZZZ, going to try my hand at it myself. If that's something you can afford to commit to personally I'd love to see it
Well as a person who likes fighting games a lot this collab maybe the best collab for the game when it's going to launch its because it might get more players because Street fighter is a well-known game and popular with a big fan base so it might help zzz to gain more players
As someone who grew up with arcades albeit casually, this is massive. ZZZ has elements inspired from fighting games that can resonate with the FGC crowd. People forget that there is a fighting game based gacha already who did a number of collabs already called King of Fighters All Stars. Go look that up.
Bruh you are hyping me up so badly for ZZZ its insane
Wat i want is bigger nd longer combos
Nah, gachasmack wuthering wave info was wrong, it's pretty much posted by a random twitter user with 0 credibility.
Honestly Kimberly would probably fit well into the aesthetic of ZZZ the most off SF6. I hope we do get a collab character
16:39 I'm sure you know, but Hoyo is no stranger to implementing this kind of combat mechanic. HI3 part 2 added a new attribute to the characters called Astral Ring. Activating it basically calls a 4th character down to knock up/gather/debuff everything, and then it puts your team into true combo mode. Its effect depends on who your team leader is, but it can activate all your supports' buffs, summon damage orbs that extend your combo, turn your teammates into dopplegangers that repeat your attacks, etc. And the best part is, they're retroactively adding these effects to some characters as they release new types of Astral Ring. Hoyo, to my knowledge, has NEVER retroactively buffed or reworked anything before, except in response to controversy.
Man I would love it if they did a Mega Man collab. That would be freaking amazing. Could see the SF collab being easier to do though.
how can you not love this guy
Regarding collabs, it has to fits. Right time, right place means nothing when there's no one who want it. If they introduce collabs just for the collabs or they just wanna collab with another popular IP or because they just wanna go hyper and push it on people how don't like it, then things will go ugly.
All I ask from collabs are that they fit the story, themes, environment, etc. of ZZZ, don't just put in characters and say it is what it is .
I mean if Cammy or Juri is in the game I'll be pulling 😂
If they put a monster hunter hammer type character in the game I’d be in love 🥹
hi destiny
Whatcha doing back there
Hmm
All ZZZ needs to do is be a little more generous than their competition (or even match them). As someone who played the CBT's the combat is already miles more optimized and fun than anything in the gacha market right now. I can't even describe how good it feels. The closest analogy I can think of is Bungie's gunplay. It's just THAT good.
Edit: I swear to God Iyo, if I'm doing a Shiyu defense and a goddamn Bazelgeuse comes crashing from the sky killing my run I'll buy a plane ticket to wherever you live and smack you with a giant paper-fan.
You never played non-Hoyo gacha games? It sure seems that way.
Honkai vs Genshin 3v3 fighting game pls
Oh,thanks for reminding about School Days...
Don't mind me - I'm just gonna go and try to throw that shiet out of my head for another couple of years...👌😅
I agree with you dude. HOWEVER NOT PUTTING NICOLE IN A CAMMY OUTFIT IS SACRILEGE AND A MASSIVE MONEY MAKING MISSED OPPORTUNITY. 😅
Outfits in this game would make me spend money more than Nikke players do and they have S+ tier costumes. lol
Respectfully, do NOT put that bazelgeuse bomb mf in the game 😭
Drive impact in zzz would go crazy
This might be a stretch, but I wonder if they'd use this in an event or even introduce a new arcade game related to the collab
Kinda funny that a lot of his gameplay suggestions already done in hi3
Last Genshin collab we got has made me play Horizon Zero Dawn, I'm down to them collabing.
2:40 thats how game engines work it contains physics for the games on which assets are created, take assassins creed and rainbow six siege for example ac is open world rpg, r6s is tac shooter both are on anvil next 2 engine.
I would love a onimusha based character in ZZZ thinking about it that be dope it's ultra can be the black Oni form.
Are you gonna stream the roundtable on the 29th?
It won’t even fail the game looks really good
I was already going to play ZZZ, but a capcom collab has me sold on day 1...Maybe, just maybe ill get Reina from Tekken 8 waaaaaay in the future.
hoyo fans about to have an existential crisis finding out other games exist frfr
It's not about Hoyo fans, it's about mobile game fans in general.
I see massive amount of cope from Kuro shills, Azur Lane shills, Nikke/BA shills. They're no different from genshin autists, despite thinking they are.
@user-eo2db5il3x it's about players simply. There's no reason to group brainrots by the platform they play on when this happens on every platform the title is released on
It's not that I don't want to play ZZZ, but I'm already playing 3 gatcha games + whatever sits in my library.
The worst aspect of these gacha collabs is how limited time they make them as well as exclusivity. It's like FOMO to the max because often times, Mihoyo especially never does these events ever again in order to make the collab items/character extremely rare.
Give me Magento in ZZZ so I can GRAVITY SQUEEZE enemies with the greatest of ease.
A hoyoverse fighting game would be cool
If they put Akuma in ZZZ, I would main that game
we all know that they are letting MHY making Capcom Hoyoversus Megamix starring lore accurate Vergil
Love the way you are thinking about this. If people will pick-up Calcharo because he is a Sephiroth/Vergil hybrid, they could feel the same about fighting game characters.
Lowkey want a Bangboo dressed as Ryu doing all his special moves🤣
I'm honestly shocked they didn't pick Arcsys seeing as their IPs tend to be used a lot in gacha games, but as someone who played the goofy Capcom AFK game just because it was Capcom i can say that i am hype for this collab in a action based game.
I didn't even think about the Bangboos! Oh my goodness!
PLEASE GOD DO NOT SUGGEST TO MHY TO ADD IN BAZELGEUSE OR ANY SUCH DERIVATIVE
9:15 i can tolerate bazelgeuze any day but the angry pickle to me is worse. This is just a dream of myself they could do a bangboo skin of any mh monster you know like you had a mini rathalos dropping his fireballs it sounds impossible but i can dream it still
I'm so excited, can't wait to hear more bad Iyo takes for a new game.
2:30 Actually understanding the technical aspect you nailed this part 100% most people cannot properly explain it
Can't wait to be underwhelmed by the SF side again. Yor being in charge of cooking her own skin was atrocious.
who tf is in the background?? lmao, has a desk n chair always been there? 💀
9:07 I’m not trying to fight that mofo Alatreon again. I need a couple years, I still got ptsd.
⚡️🔥 C. VIPER 🔥⚡️ would be a perfect. Unlikely though since she hasn’t been in the series since SF4.
Honestly I think P5 collab with HSR might be better, although P5 character might not fit in the vibe of HSR
whats the bgm at the start?!
Bro lips is over 9000 on the moist meter😂
I'm a massive fighting game fan (BlazBlue is GOATed af), ALSO am a massive JRPG fan, Soulslike fan, and LOVE gacha games, so yeah, the gacha community needs to inject more copium directly into their collective frontal cortex and stfu about ish they have no idea what they're talking about 🤣
Is it to much to ask for a Juri Han in her Onesie/Pyjama outift :)
MIHOYO FIGHTING GAME...
MAKE IT HAPPEN PLEASEEEEE
MAKE IT A TAG FIGHTER TOO
now add akira from rival schools to sf6
I will only play ZZZ if they put Sol Badguy in it.
Yeah call them bobo insted
i hope they add Gon
Mid Zzz gets collab before starrail...SMDH
brrruuuuhhh i forgot about viewtiful joe.
Everything u say is nowhere close to being a collab anymore, there would need to be a much deeper relation to do any of it
The articles released and the coming roundtable have shown us these group of developers are good friends. The relation is that they are all actual close friends. Let’s not forget the articles also point out that his inspirations & favorite games to play are “street fighter, souls games, and Digimon”.
Iyo, give your dog pets NOW!
Just wrestled her to the ground and got all furred up because of you. Now she keeps putting her big ass paw on my forehead. lol
@@Iyoverse At least she got her pets in the end, thank you.
Digimon huh 🤔 interesting
Bro you are CHATTING LOL 12:02 . You believe in your heart that most fighting game players are gonna want to drop 100 to play as chunli in a gacha game? Do you not remember how the SF6 community took the Outfit 3 drama?
You don't need $100 to pull a character lmao
We didn't like that BECAUSE it was paying $30-60 for a costume on an AVATAR. Something we can't use in our every day play. A costume or character in a gacha is something we can use in everything, forever. Or at least until EoS. lol
@@Iyoverse No you might be thinking about the ninja turtles thing.
The Street Fighter 6 outfit 3 drama was about the fact that you could not buy the new dlc outfit 3 costumes individually with money and instead had to buy the ingame currency. each characters outfit 3 cost 300 ingame currency, but the only options for ingame currency were 250 for 5$ or 610 for 12$. Meaning that even if you only wanted 1 costume, you had to buy 2. Players who were sweating having to overpay for a costume aren't dropping 100 dollars to for Cammy thats just not happening lmfao
@@mcbill7352 he said it not me lmao
2:29 well actually Hoyo did not "recreate" their engine or anything like that. They are still using Unity which although definitely is modified in some way, it is by no means "theirs". Same goes for WuWa as an example; which uses Unreal Engine modified in a similar way using custom plugins and built most probably from UE source code, it is also by no means their own engine. What you could call recreation is how every little mechanic in WuWa is recreated from GI. Other than that it's nothing more than still UE and Unity.
it would be cool! if it was an actual collab but it was a round table. hyv is so averse to collabs for w/e reason. HZD felt forced and they made Alloy complete garbage with no banner, no hype, and no constellations just because sony probably held them at gunpoint. they collabed with themselves once and made keqing a funny demo and not even a unit to pull?? eva collab was good, i still have my asuka on my hi3 account. would love a collab but i have 0 faith in this company (i hope they prove me wrong)
Doesn't matter what they announce I won't be playing zzz. Got The First Descendant coming next week. Won't have time for zzz even if I wanted to play it.
First 👀
no one wants this most players wont like this
bro has the worst collab ideas on the planet lmao
My bad, I’ll add horny for you next time.
Yeah, I'd love to be wrong about Hoyo, but put simply they dumped me. When someone dumps you and then tries to get you back, skepticism is warranted. Everything you mentioned gameplay-wise Hoyo has already done. It's literally the main reason Genshin was so disappointing, and that the next four years buried my relationship with the company.
Look up A Post Honkai Odyssey, which was released as part of Honkai Impact 3rd while Genshin was in development and seemed to be Hoyo's vision of an OW action combat game. I'd say it still clears or fights with WuWa and PGR combat. It's definitely in league with them (subjective which a person would prefer). Hoyo knows exactly how to target that sort of gamer, they just very specifically and publicly announced they wanted to see other people.
So far, ZZZ is a shadow of what APHO was, and I do not see any reason they do not just make it APHO (which would convert me) besides that they just do not think that audience is worth enough money, which is exactly why we got Genshin instead, lol. We'll see though. Love being wrong when it benefits me, but as is, it's not that ZZZ even looks bad to me it's just that I do not trust Hoyo to go in my direction so it always seems like a game for other people.
I'm not against a collab depending on how it's implemented. Like you said the inspiration, systems, movesets, I'm down. Crosspollination of ideas is fantastic!
What I don't want is the characters. Hoyo has crafted a very specific feel and world and just dropping in Ryu would be super jarring. It would feel awkward and out of place in my opinion. I want to play the characters within the universe, not others that have been isekai'd in. People will counter with "then don't pull for them". Fair, but that doesn't work if they're made to be strong and/or meta defining. If Ryu does 20% more damage than most of the roster, or has a unique mechanic, that feels a lot less skippable (even more so if they power creep difficulty up to his level but so far Hoyo is pretty good at avoiding that in their other games). If the SF6 characters move into must-pull territory that feels like shit for the people that aren't interested in playing them.
So if they want to actually put them in the game I hope it's a skin or something optional of that nature. Make a ZZZ specific character that has the Ryu moveset and for those that want add a Ryu skin for that character in an event or purchasable in the shop. Everyone wins.
Sidenote, I feel like JetSet Radio is totally a ZZZ inspiration as well.