buying an ST1100?
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2018
- This video is about buying an ST1100, I take you for a short ride then look at the bike when it's parked. Checking out the features and options.
EDIT July 2020; Unless the Pre 1996 Honda ST1100's have already had the 40 amp alternator upgrade, I would stay away from those model years (1990-1995). A crucial part, the base plate for the 40amp alternator is no longer available from Honda, making the upgrade next to impossible to do, unless you find a wrecked post 96 ST1100 with the alternator intact.
Thank you for stating one of the most important factors in a long hauler: fuel range!! It’s hard to chew up miles with anything that can’t make at least 200mi per tank. The 300mi mark would be a dream.
I had been looking for an ST1100 or a VFR for a while and ended up finding the ST 15 miles from home - in a barn, partially disassembled, and with gas pouring out of the carbs. $900 later I had it home and started into the carbs and tank. A month later it was refurbed, running and registered. 3+ years later, and it's still the best bike I've ever had - smooth, with power, though a bit heavy at ultra-slow speeds. Pretty normal bike overall maintenance wise. Shaft drive and liquid cooling is great. Get yourself a JIS screwdriver if you don't already have one - Phillips screwdrivers will strip out the cross point screws on the bike.
Hi Robert. Thank you for this video! Enjoyed it. I have been wanting an ST1100 for over 20 years and this week we bought one!! A 99' model, non abs. So thrilled. Your region looks like southwestern Ontario, my stomping grounds. Going to watch all your videos in the next while, thank you for taking the time to film them you and posting them! Leo
Leo Veroude thanks Leo. I had fun making this one and have to get back to creating more.
Congratulations on the 99 model. Yes I’m based in Southern Ontario, but I’ve ridden my ST in many provinces and a few States. The ST has proven itself well, and they are well built and seem to keep going forever. There are some good forums with lots of resources to help you keep that bike in good running order. Cheers
I bought mine in 2017. Love the bike, it never gets uncomfortable and even on a long trip a short stretch of the legs soon gets me yearning to hit the road again! I've been able to do all my own maintenance so far and the costs are not bad at all for such a big beast. Sure, taking the plastic off is a PITA, but the bike cleans up with a sponge or even a pressure washer in 5 minutes and you're good to go.
Sometimes I'd like a smaller bike, but not to replace the Pan, I don't think I could ever part with this bike.
It’s a wonderful ride. I just did a 16 hour day last weekend. Super comfortable.
Great information about the later model having to better alternator. Thank you for explaining that because lots of other bikes that I’ve had previously have really struggled with me running heated grips , heated clothing, and aux lamps. This information was really important to me, thank you.
Glad it was helpful. The model years 96-2002 have no problem running heated grips, aux lighting or heated gear. All the best
Ya, It's Red Thank you so much. 👍🌠
Great motorcycle. I have a 99 non-ABS with 100,000 miles on it. Owned since 2004 (23k on the clock) Love my ST. 2 maintenance issues were: Summer of 2012, I replaced the radiator after I noticed it would run warm at stop lights. Second issue was in 2016. I stored it at a friend for about 18 months. The darn alcohol in the fuel ate up my seals. The the dealership messed up the carb rebuild and now it is hard to start when it is cold (long story why I didn't get the dealership to fix there mistake). Runs fine on crappy 86 octane regular gas. Get one if you can.
Tim Esse ethanol in fuel can cause havoc. As we are approaching winter and storage time for our beloved ST’s, consider rilling the tank with a premium fuel or one without ethanol in the mix. For the issue of cold starting try running fuel injector cleaner in a few tanks, that might clean the needles and gum in the cold start circuit of your carbs.
I got a 97 from an auction for $300, was going to fix and flip it, both mirrors off and a few cracked fairings but just checked the valves and carbies and they were absolutely perfect, 130,000ks worth of dirt and grease removed and it is like a new bike, i usually ride RGV's or 2 stroke dirk bikes but somehow this bike has won me over, only gone 2k's before checking it out, something about riding a V4 car/bike is so fun, it also has a tow ball so i am going to make a small trailer for a dirt bike then tow it to the track with the ST1100..... in full motocross gear........or a dog trailer so my blue healer can come for a ride.
The Moon is square excellent. Sounds like you will be enjoying this ST. Lots of help available on the ST owners site.
Hi ,is the st still running good ?what you did to fix it?thahks
I love this bike! And the color, obv!! 💪🏻💪🏻
Nice video. I plan on getting an older sport touring bike next spring. Considering the Honda ST1100 & Pacific Coast 800, Kawasaki Concours 1000 and Yamaha FJ1200.
6.4 HemiDriver all good choices, however I’m partial to the ST1100. Cheers
great motorbike, great music, I love it
Nice bike. I got a 2000 ST1100 and my rear abs pump isn't working according to my bike mechanic. The front brake make the front and back to stop. The rear brake just don't work when I press on the rear brake. The shop claim the rear abs pump is $1500
Just bought a nice example today. About 87,000 Kms. Looking forward to riding it....
Always had Electra glides...this will be easier to ride
Opinion Matters congratulations.it will be different from your Harley. There’s a lot of life left in it at only 87k kms. Enjoy
Good vid. Ive got 94 abs,tsc. 75K on it. How long did your timing belt last?
K S jernigan I changed mine out 6k miles before I had too on the 97 it was in good shape. On my 1999 I changed it at the recommended mileage and it too was in excellent shape.
What's the recommended milage change for timing belt.
Did he mention it's Red ?
Good video
👈 I've laid down some good miles on my 2000 seen here.
Do you know where I can get those deflecters today?
I think David Silver still has them available. I got the mirror deflectors from him and the knee deflectors I got off of a member on the ST Owners forum
Thanks for the vid and the info on this bike. You've got a beautiful bike and I love the accessories. Very tastefully done. I just picked one up about a week ago (also a red '97) and it needs a few things here and there so it had me worried. I knew nothing about these bikes, but I've always liked and rode Honda bikes. I loved the speed and storage space of this bike, so I bought it for $1500 (American) with about 36k miles on it. I had thought this was a lot of miles and that the bike didn't have more than maybe 10k miles left in her. From everything I've heard I was way wrong! The body is a bit rough as it looks like it was laid down a few times, but most everything else seems mechanically sound with the exception of some little issues (I think the ignition switch is bad).
I took a cross country trip this past summer on my 2015 Honda Fury from Denver, CO to Rhode Island and it definitely was a lesson for me on how I need the right bike for something like that. I ended up doing an early winter storage for my Fury and flew back. I plan on moving to RI next summer so I figured I'd leave it out there. Man I wish I had had my ST1100 for that trip. Next summer she will have her chance to really shine.
For now, I'm just thrilled about all the great things I keep finding out about this bike. I thought it was just going to give me my fix until I can get back to my Fury, but it turned out to have so much more value to me than I ever expected. I plan on riding even in the middle of winter as long as there's no snow or ice on the streets - I'm literally slowly gearing up for it. I have to agree with Dennis - I think I will probably keep this one for life or until I am physically unable to ride. My Fury looks and sounds great and is great when I want both feet firmly planted on the ground. But my ST1100 is both more useful and much faster.
Frank Magowan thank you. There are a couple of forums with excellent info to help keep your bike running smoothly. St riders is a wonderful resource. Check out the “Archives of Wisdom” on that site as it’s full of “How to”. As for your switch it more than likely needs cleaning. For that matter check all the connections under the left panel by the battery. You have gotten your bike at a good price. Keep an eye out on eBay for some of the plastic pieces. If the grey plastic on the tip over bars is in rough condition it’s best that you order new from Honda or bike bandit or partzilla. Enjoy your ride. Cheers
Spotted a local ad for a '96 for $1750 (miles not listed), so, that's how I found myself to this video. Now that I want one, it got sold, and the only other one listed right now in the Phoenix Market sold a long time ago (it's a dealer who leaves up all his listings; click bait) for close to $3k. Going to keep my eyes pealed, and people say the successive ST1300 ain't the same well balanced bike.
valentiner61 keep looking one will come around. Stay away from 1990-1995 unless the alternator has already been upgraded. The generic alternator is available however the mounting plate may be discontinued. They are a fantastic bike.
@@yaitsred Don't simply rule out '90-'95 models that may not have had the alternator upgrade. I'm the original owner of a '94 model with ~ 96k miles on the original alternator without any problems. While my ST has been in storage for a few years since I broke down and purchased my other dream bike (1998 VFR800FI), now at age 62 I find myself missing the ST's more roomy and comfortable riding position and may choose to get her back on the road next year.
@@smoothsailin7294 My 1990 had 140k miles before the alternator went. Since then, it had the upgrade done and it's doing just fine. The new owner is having a blast with it. There is now a fellow making the adapter plate for a reasonable cost that coupled with the aftermarket 40 amp alternator allows one to consider the earlier models. It's still about 10 hours of labour to do the upgrade. If you acquire the ABSI model the pumps have been known to have some issues, having said that, if the owner has changed the brake fluid every two years, the pumps seem to do OK. For that matter it's good practice to change the clutch and brake fluid every two years anyway. The ST1100s are excellent value for the money, you would be hard pressed to find a better machine, unless you spend thousands more.
I'm on my third ST now, and it's my favourite, It's taken most of the summer to dial it in and I've had to upgrade the rear shock. This bike does what I need it to do. I'm sure when you get your ST back out on the road you will be smiling from ear to earand putting some miles behind you. It is a comfortable bike.
Thanks for your comments
Good info. enjoyed the video, I am from Ont. too, Wiarton. I am trying to sell my 85 Nighthawk 750S so I can buy a 1994 st 1100, love these older bikes with shaft drive and dual disc brakes, insurance is very cheap to because they are antiques, can't wait to find a real nice one.
The 750 is a nice bike too. There's one in the Chatam Sarnia area 2001 with low KMs very good price. As I mention in the video pre 1996 have the 28 amp alternator which may need replacing down the line. Check to see if there isn't any oil dripping from it. Also ask to be able to take the left panel off to look at the connection at the Voltage/regulator, the main relay and the three yellow wire connector, make sure those aren't compromised. They are indeed a great bike
davnol1 don’t know if you will get this or you picked up a st1100.. I am just east of Wiarton and am going to pick one up soon from a friend.... should hook up for a coffee or beer and go for a ride.. my neighbor has a duck multistrada and sick of working on it...super dumb enger
Joan Dodds Hi Joan, I since bought a 93 Kawasaki Concours 1000, I presently have it for sale and Iam getting a Miata, too many nut jobs on the road!
got a 98 on the way today .. hope its a good bike .
The post 96. Meaning 96-2002 are the desirable units. Change all the fluids, check the connector to the main relay and you should be good to go. Congratulations
I guess I’ve got some riding to do on mine! It’s only got 13,000 miles on it…
It can happen quickly. ;). Sometimes you don’t want to get off, you just ride and ride.
super funny/cheesy intro. love it
Just paid $2500 american for a 1991 with only 24k miles on it. Don't think it has the upgraded alternator but I'm not planning on running anything but a small led light bar that doesn't draw a lot of amps.
If you look at the rear left side of the engine you can tell if it has been upgraded. It will look like an automotive alternator with fins. The 28 amp alternator is sealed. Monitor three connectors. 1) the red connector with three yellow wires coming from the alternator going to the voltage regulator/rectifier 2) the white multi pin connector to the voltage regulator/rectifier and 3)the red connector going to the main relay. These are located on the left side just left of the battery. If the upgrade has been done just monitor the connector to the main relay. If you have the 28 amper check for oil leaking where the wires come out of the alternator. I also suggest installing a volt meter to monitor the charging system. ( it should read 14.5 - 15.1 volts at the battery. The 40amp unit will read 13.2-14.2 at the battery when running)
@@yaitsred Thank you for the response! Ill check the alternator later. I was planning on installing a volt meter along with some other minor changes like handlebars and risers. What does swapping to the 40A alternator consist of?
@@collateralpigeon2151 you will need to remove the fuel tank, rear wheel and swing arm to gain access to the alternator. You will require a base plate. There’s a kit on eBay which supplies the plate and bearings needed to adapt the new alternator about $95. There’s a 40 amp generic alternator also available on eBay for $135 it’s a good unit. You will also need a 30 amp fuse available through Honda. It will take a full day or weekend to accomplish the job. Once done you will have years of life with this bike, so yes, it’s worth doing. There are two forums that have a wealth of knowledge on how to service your bike. I recommend joining them. This project sounds daunting,but is doable.
@@yaitsred Thank you for all the info! I have another bike, yamaha vmax, that I just did a teardown and rebuild on. Talk about a pain to work on. If its not leaking ill ride with it for now and do the swap when winter gets here. I appreciate your help and Ill check out those forums.
Please sir I have following your videos about the honda st1100 and now am about to get myself a big bike for my touring and also I checked the yamaha xj900p and honda st 1100 so now I don't which one to choose so in your own preference which one will you advise me to choose thanks
Yeboah Philip I’m not familiar with the Yamaha model you quoted. Which one do you feel more comfortable handling? It depends on the mileage and condition of each bike. I’m partial to the ST1100. ;)
Yeboah Philip the ABS pumps are expensive. The brakes should work properly without the ABS system. I suggest having the rear calliper serviced, check that the pistons move freely. The linked brake system takes some extra effort to bleed properly. You will need to consult a workshop manual. The pumps can be rebuilt. Have a look at the ST-Riders forum, there is a sub forum called “the archives of wisdom “ there is a section on the ABS braking system and how to service it.
@@yaitsred well I want to know if I can fix st 1300 muffler in st1100
Yeboah Philip I don’t think you can. There are aftermarket exhaust systems you can acquire.
@@yaitsred thanks much for your quick response am so grateful having a teacher like you and hope to ride alongside with you one day for more experience
Thoroughly enjoyed it 👌 👍 👏
Should I buy one tomorrow??
Bruce Kirk if you
‘If you find one in good condition, and it’s a post 96 for a good price, it will give you years of good riding
Ya, It's Red I’m looking at a 1996 ST1100 with 58k on it. It has a salvage title and wondered if it’s worth the asking price of $1100?? What do you think Red?
Need1e I would consider it, however I would really like to know what repairs were done. Check how the Tupperware panels fit together, especially around the dash. When test riding it see if it pulls to the right or left, it should track straight. Make sure the handlebar isn’t bent.
Ya, It's Red Will do! Thanks 🙏🏼
What handlebars please?
Martin Long the ones I’ve installed on my bike are Helibars
Thank you for the quick reply I've raised mine slightly abut an inch and managed to keep the the bar surround but may go higher similar to yours. I too have a Corbin seat. Mine is a 2001 ABS. They are great bikes aren't they. Best wishes from England 🏍
On my previous ST1100 (1990) I had 2" bar risers they worked well. I found a used set of Helibars and really like them, you can fine tune the adjustment in many ways. I recovered the Corbin saddle and added a thicker foam to the cover. I increased the depth of foam by 1/4" and it has improved the comfort.
Thanks for the reply. Yes my Corbin is firm and ok for comfort but is quite a bit lower than the original. I may well raise it slightly, probably by use of a seat pad rather than stripping and re-foaming the seat.
Nothing helped me on my way to buy my ST1100 tomorrow. Waste of my time.
What year are you looking at? What will be a waste of your time will be a model from 1990-1995 unless it has the40 amp alternator upgrade. If you’re paying more than $2500 then you’re paying too much. 1300’s are in the $3000 mark. Good luck on your search
@@yaitsred Thanks! I bought y 1994 ST1100 for £900. Fresh MOT. Will ride it just to get used to PanEuropean. For the next season I will buy one that is worth keeping.
@@0skarst cool. There are three connectors that may cause you grief in the future. They are located on the left side near the battery. 1) the main relay. It’s above the left footpeg and is covered in a rubber boot. Inspect that on a regular basis. Disconnect the red plug check for any signs of melting or burning wires, the red wire being the most crucial. 2) the multi 6 pin white connector to the voltage regulator/rectifier inspect it for any melting or burn’t out wires and 3) there are three yellow wires coming out of the alternator and they go to that white connector on the voltage regulator/rectifier. You will see a red connector for those three yellow wires, check it too. Some folk have actually removed that connector and joined (soldered) the wires.
Check for an oil leak under the alternator. (The 28 amp alternator installed on STs from 1990-95 are oil cooled, )
Consider adding a voltmeter so you can monitor the charging of your battery. It should read between 14.5-15.1V. If it drops below 13 you will begin to have alternator issues. Refrain from adding extra lamps or heated grips as that will tax the system.
The Pan is a great bike, excellent for touring. Lots of power and smooth running. You should have lots of fun with it. Cheers
@@yaitsred Thank you! I've checked everything like you advised, but there were no problems with electrics, despite the heated handlebars and extra lights have been installed some tome ago. What I found, though, was overheating and spongy/soft clutch issues as a result of this. Now I am stripping off my ST1100 an will try to find out the cause of the issue.
@@0skarst check for leaking around the secondary clutch cylinder located at the front of the engine, it may require a rebuild kit. Replace the brass bushing in the clutch lever, because it wears out. It is recommended that you flush and change the hydraulic fluid in the clutch as well as the brakes every two years. I would flush the cooling system as well. Good luck in your search. The “Archives of Wisdom” section on ST-riders forum is an excellent resource for troubleshooting as well as info on how to repair many of the issues that come up related to the ST1100.