ARJ21 and Chinese expansion plan
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- The COMAC ARJ21 (Xiangfeng - “Soaring Phoenix”) is a regional jet passenger aircraft created by the Chinese corporation COMAC in the mid-2010s. In this video, we take a look at this aircraft, learn about its features, walk its journey and discover what role it should play in China's plan to win its place in the global civil aviation market.
The history of birth of this aircraft turned out to be long and complex. The project was initiated back in 2002, but its implementation was significantly delayed. The ARJ21 made its maiden flight in 2008 and began entering airline fleets only in 2016. However, despite the initial difficulties and delays of the project, the aircraft began to be actively produced and supplied to airlines, both Chinese and foreign. The ARJ21's potential lies not in technology and modernity, but in simplicity and low cost, which could make it popular in developing countries.
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00:00 - ARJ21
00:31 - Plans and first steps
04:46 - Tests
06:54 - Description of ARJ21
07:19 - Isn’t this Douglas?
08:49 - Design
10:30 - Engines
11:26 - Cockpit
11:54 - Passenger cabin
13:15 - Modifications
14:43 - Deliveries and expansion
16:07 - Conquering the market - Věda a technologie
China's aviation history continues. As a continuation of the story, you can watch a large video about the COMAC C919: czcams.com/video/1tOK8cb5RGQ/video.html
Will you make a video about the CR929 (now C929)?
Great video - thank you!
Make the Fokkers
@@frankgaleon5124 already in process
Rear-mounted engines and T-tails are so retro, and yet still relevant in many countries with hot and high airports.
I’m glad the legacy of the DC-9, BAC-111, Tu-134 and the Fokker 70 continues on.
The issue for them will be sanctions and regulations.
The FAA will likely not approve a plane from China because of competion and rivalry.
Then how about the airlines that already operates it?
@@Randomly_Browsing as long as they don't fly into the US with these planes (and only flying within countries that certifies the plane) its not a problem
@@DrummingStig ok then
If an indigenous mfg like Boeing has been deemed by the FAA to be “opaque”, then i don’t see how China will be deemed anything but “less than opaque.”
Maybe, they'll receive the EASA certificate. It will be enough for the most countries worldwide
Clearly it's an updated DC9, and I'm glad to see that my favorite airliner will be around for a long time to come.
Well it has lineage from DC9, as it reuses tooling from the MD80 coproduction project and probably started from the MD95 which was the last version produced from that project.
blind as a bat, dc9 was no good. It took china a long time to get it rich. many region jets are designed with these features.
@@xuansu9036 From Aviation Week article on the ARJ21 ""The ARJ21 is built with manufacturing tooling from the MD-90 Trunkliner program. As a consequence, it has the same fuselage cross-section, nose profile, and tail."
Sure, it might be lacking behind in technological advancements (when compared to other regionals jets) but the thing is as long as they're selling like hot cakes in China, they'll be doing just fine.
How about outside market?
Former Soviet Republic, Africa and some Asian countries are a very big market.
@@SuperChodot ok
@@Randomly_Browsing They don't need to worry about outside market for at least the next 50 years to a century. If they can completely self sustain within their borders, it is a big plus for them. Then they can expand.
half price of the most expensive in the same class. not make sense if it's as advanced as the most expensive, even though it's not impossible, probably in next 5 decades after some iterations and gaining more knowledge.
For some reason, I remember the Fokker 100
yes, I remembered it too
F70 and F100 are great. I like flying in them.
I don't fly much, but I flew on Fokker 100 once. It was the best landing I've experienced. And it was all-female crew too. 😊
I don’t think that ARJ-21 looks outdated. The same we can say about the 737MEX. The difference is that the last MD regional family member the Boeing 717 was manufactured in 2006, so we don’t see a lot of the aircrafts with the same structural design.
It is a good start. Continued optimization and volume production of ARJ21 and C919 will be the step stone for the success of China civil aviation industry.
No C919s since the 6 proptotypes, and only 3 of those are currently airworthy.
Their first step was to release their own version of similar models by others.
Comac C919 is their future. Cleansheet design.
It's not easy to expand overseas, supply chain, maintenance, airworthiness support, language and cultural barriers are also factors that make it hard for it to attract overseas buyers.
Same issue faced by the Sukhoi Superjet's western customers like CityJet and Interjet
not " language and cultural barriers " - have nothing to do with it - it is the plane itself - good or not good - why people drive Toyota not Lada etc ...
@@johnh4434 toyota is japanese...
Wings are supposedly Russian, but the fuselage is DC-9 carryover. If reusing still qualifies as a "clean sheet", then the Boeing 717 was a clean sheet too!
I recall McDonnell Douglas sold MD-80/90 tooling to China. Several MD-80's and a couple MD-90's were supposedly built in China. When I just Google'd the tooling sale, the U.S. indicted MD as China had diverted tooling to military manufacturing sites.
DC-9
MD-80's
B-717
With few differences!
The Mad Dog nickname came not only from its MD initials but also because it takes off like a rocket and makes a hell of a lot of noise. Unlike later automated planes, the Mad Dog also needs full hands-on attention from the pilot during takeoff and landing.
Having made its first flight in 1979, the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 went into service with launch customer Swissair in 1980. The aircraft, which was developed from the Douglas DC-9, became affectionately known as the Mad Dog. But how did it come to get its nickname?
After the delivery of 976 DC-9s and 108 MD-80s, McDonnell Douglas stopped DC-9 series production in December 1982, The DC-9 family is one of the longest-lasting aircraft in production and operation. Its last family member, the Boeing 717, was produced until 2006.
What is the oldest DC-9 still flying?
The final active DC-9 is with African Express Airways, based in Nairobi. This is the only DC-9 to still be registered to a scheduled passenger airline.
Thanks sky as always ❤
Essentially an upgraded DC 9-10 mission aircraft that first flew 49 years ago.
It is pretty interesting overall. And all around one has to admit one thing about Chinese developments in recent years. They've become much higher quality than before, which can be mostly seen in countries that are either allied to China, or to a greater or lesser extent neutral. China is quickly dominating sectors, especially vehicle manufacturing with a combination of quality and price. But not always. Some chinese vehicle manufacturers reign supreme on quality and price, like BYD and X-peng for cars, Yutong for buses, all of which are now firmly planted across the globe. But other sectors like the rail industry is where they still struggle. The national chinese rolling stock manufacturer, CRRC, has vastly different quality standards across its several factories so its often a gamble as to if a CRRC built train will be good or bad. And the ones trialled so far in Europe have all been from a plant with a less than satisfactory quality record.
It’s a DC-9 with winglets
Nah its a MD90 with winglets
It's very pretty for a commercial plane! hope I get to fly on one!
Should it be called DC9 Neo or DC9 MAX ?
A Temu version of a DC-9
@@anotheruser9876 but with much more reliable engines than anything from P&W 😎
Tupolev had no hand in this? It just hit me that this is not unlike the Tu-334
It's closer to the Fokker 100. It is unlikely that Tupolev has anything to do with this
AR-21 remind us to Tu-334
Thanks for another EXCELLENT and informative video!!! GO CHINA!!! 🇨🇳
Looks like a bit of CRJ and DC 9 got together and had a party
As an airline pilot Im glad to be retiring soon....
@3:38 Fan spins in the wrong direction.
10:30 these ultra-reliable GE CF34-10A powerplants are most assuredly the ARJ-21's greatest asset. Sure, they're not as efficient as the P&W Geared Turbofan, but they're far more reliable, which matters more. Isn't it interesting - the bargain-bin ARJ-21 comes with more reliable engines than the expensive, fancy Embraer E-2! That being said, GE has the Passport - a new-technology, more fuel-efficient alternative to the CF34-10. If GE puts the shelved NG34 program into production, it would both be more efficient and more reliable than anything P&W has.
Thanks for making the video without much political elements.
So, what is the fuel burn like compared to the competitors? Usually one expects high operating costs with low capital costs, and vice-versa.
The key is to get approved by the EU and the FAA. This will sell like hotcakes if there are no corners cut like on the 919 computer systems only having a 2 redundant system set up with all the other commercial planes having 3 systems.
Thanks Sky! That would be great if you could cover the Avic/Harbin Y12F
China civil aviation industry is amazingly impressive. Well done China 👍♥️🇨🇳
Great video thank you. Love these these lesser known birds. Do you by any chance have any information on Harbin Y-12F ?
Intonation is like dictor hates everyone and wants to kill you, as soon as video will end 😂
The dictor doesn't hate anyone. Besides the editor
Wish them the best, aviation needs more comfortable aircraft
Good morning from Toronto.Canada
Hello, Canada
Onboarded the ARJ two times, HET-XIL and right back on the same aircraft, Genghis Khan Airline. The ride is adequate, nothing really to complain about, not bad for a regional airliner. The rear part IS noisy, but the front part is not, so it's ok on average. But I don't really believe it will have a great future in the foreign market since Chinese planes got a bad bad reputation from some foreign airliners for it's MA60 and Y-7. And those airliners who bought MA60 and Y-7 have already represented those countries with the best relationship with China, but now even they did not choose to pick the ARJ. A very similar situation is Iran, which would rather choose to treasure its antique F-14 but not go for modern military planes from China and Russia, since they know who's really better and with greater reputation.
and maybe we will see the Tu-334 in the near future too
Width of fuselage: 3.14. Someone wanted the math to work out easily.
I flew on ARJ as well as E190, from passenger’s perspective, I much prefer ARJ. It is noticeable bigger inside, quieter in business class, had a much bigger onboard kitchen(so variety of available food are more. Lastly, E series is so small it didn’t have a closet for coats and such for business class passengers. For me, ARJ is comparable to A320 in business class experience whereas I immediately noticed how small E190 was.
and the price is literally half the A320.
“They had to make a clean sheet design” the arj21 is based on the md80 just made smaller into regional jet size. This is a pretty well known fact. Mcdonnell Douglass moved a production line of the md80 to china and thats how they got the experience building this plane. Its not a clean sheet design at all.
yea..................but.......... so?
@@zalo_tuandriverga so nothing. He just said its clean sheet, so I pointed out that it isnt.
I cried when I saw C919 soared to the sky in Singapore are show!
The quality coming out of Boeing will make Chinese quality seem acceptable.
don't hold your breath. them chinese will not let "Boing" do better in the Temu-quality plane market! 😗👍
Not a chance
I’m skeptical.
@@kittytrailTamu was designed for poor people who are barely above homeless, if you mainly buy from tamu, then you need to improve yourself so you can afford better quality products.
Stereotypes about Chinese hardware are just that. Chinese people are just as capable as any other human. Underestimating them with cruel jokes is exactly how you lose.
The business jet vertion. Range 6,000 km is not serius, theEmraer Lineage flies 8,500 and the ACJ200 over 10,000
Pk TJA, TJB, ALC, comac ARJ 21 700 operated Trans nusa Indonesia
Better than Boeing, Safety is first, no revenues
Looking like the ARJ-21 will be China's DC-3. Not exotic and state of the art, but for domestic flights in developing countries, a good design, good reliability, and a good price.
The problem with buying Chinese planes is Washington has a habit of slapping sanctions to the airline and its govts country. Lots of security and maintenance issues before we could even fly to the mainland USA.
Updated Fokker 100.
COMAC'S Strategy is to build a Factory in the US and find an American Investors. In that way they can somehow circumvent America's hostilility towards them. It will be a win/win situation.
It doesn't matter what they call it, it still an MD80/90. Which they built under license for years.
doesn't matter much , not under license any more it's not MD it's AJR
I am aware, they didn't try to hide the parentage at all though. Look at the cockpit windows with the classic dips beneath the pilot and copilot positions. Classic Boeing and MD, while still features of the 737 and 767, Airbus and other European manufacturers stayed away from that particular styling trend. I think it is brilliant of China to get as much out of the west as they can, while they can. All those American and European vendors of avionics and precision machined bits and pieces are required to team with Chinese companies and share their intellectual property till the Chinese companies are capable of shoplifting that Int Prop for themselves.
@johnh4434
@@300guy
Funny hater losers 🤡
Shaped of the nose and tail are different to the MD-80 .
China is smart to have most components to be sourced from key NATO countries... a form of leverage to prevent the Yanks from ordering international barring of the ARJ .
just like chinese car before 2021, not as good as other manufacturers, but not anymore. will be the same story in a few decades.
@@YSKWatch
Fake news.
Chinese cars were already good in 2021.
China took a lot of risk and spent a lot of time and money in these jets, china learnt alot from soviet unions.
The interior overhead bins and sidewalls are the same as a Boeing 717…
yes, because China was all set to produce MD95 before it became B717 and Boeing ended the coproduction deal. There were a lot of tooling in China for parts of that aircraft and they reused as much of it as possible.
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the Russian SSJ-100 is not dead at all, it is the real phoenix because it will be resurrected in 2026 with a new name (SJ-100 for the moment, but it might change again) and new engine (UEC PD-8) and new wing (with added winglet) ✈
image, China replace half its domestical airliners with ARJ21 and C919.
Well, the major airlines in China are state run, as is Comac, so there's no real profit in selling your own merchandise to yourself. The benefit is not paying for it from somewhere else, I guess. Airlines aren't stupid, though. They'll pay more for an airliner that's 10% more efficient knowing they'll more than make up for it over 20-30 years of the airframe's service. That's why most of the four engines jobbies are gone; not that they'd reached the end of their lifespan, but because they're not as efficient. Not to mention, better technology often also includes reduced maintenance costs.
Looks like the child of a DC-9 and Fokker, DC-9 body, and Fokker windshield
To quote Aviation Week : The ARJ21 is built with manufacturing tooling from the MD-90 Trunkliner program. As a consequence, it has the same fuselage cross-section, nose profile, and tail.
The Chinese DC-9. :)
Half Fokker half DC-9
US Boeing quality keeps declining and China COMAC quality keeps increasing. If this continues, at some time there will be some point where one will replace another one.
I don't think people would be fly Chinese anything:)
i wish them good luck but i get the feeling much like european aircraft builders prior to airbus, these planes might not have much luck outside of China
Baby steps.
Bros Just Copied MD-83 and make it Safer than McDonnel Douglas and Boeing
The MD-80 & MD-90 are once made under License in China back on its day. However, since they still own the tooling, it also makes the plane resemble the MD-80.
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Через пару дней
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And another copy ... When will they really design something by themselves?
Better than boeing
So COMAC (i.e. the Chinese gvt) built a very basic plane with no technological advancements, copying a VERY old MD-80 design, using outdated engine technology and, most importantly, an infinite budget from the CCP. And this is what they came up with? I looks pretty obvious to me that the project would have been cancelled a long time ago if it wasn't for two things: 1. National pride (hence the infinite budget), and 2. Political (and physical) pressure on the manufacturer (mostly the workers) to deliver a plane, or else.
I love your videos, but this one was a bit too patriotic. Don't you think?
Who give a shit about you and your thoughts?
Fake version of the mad dog (md-80)
The arj is nothing but a DC-9/ MD-80 . Made by the same company that made licensed production models of the md 80 and dc9
Not to mention look at the physical shape of the fuselodge and the aft emergency exit by the engine then look at that same location on the Dc-9-30.
This is nothing new however I do respect China's recent offers to the aviation table. They offer cheaper and different alternatives to the aviation table
@@GabbieGirl007but at subpar quality
@@Randomly_Browsing how so
@@GabbieGirl007 one of the Australian airliner had to stopped operate MA60 due to several issues
@@Randomly_Browsingma60 was not certified to fly in Australia, what fk are you smoking?
China copy this copy that! China copy what?
I’m thinking of replacing one of my two Gulfstreams and I’m considering a Chinese jet this time. My family has been Glufstream customers for three generations, but I’m thinking of breaking the mould.
8:27 these kinda assumptions are so funny, cause there’s so many planes with the exact same elements that how could anyone design something at all unique?
I think it’s a flaw relying on US engines… I hope for China’s sake they have plans to find a domestic..or maybe Russian engine solution when or if required?
There are advantages, it makes the aircraft more attractive in the US and it allows Chinese companies to build good relations with US companies.
@@JohnnyWednesday the way the world is heading the last part maybe a lower concern sadly
I think their local engine is getting better already sooner or later they'll have local engine for ARJ.
But those US engines, being the ultra-reliable GE CF34-10, happen to be the ARJ-21's greatest asset 😎
@@rafaelwilks no use if the administration decide to ban the export, backup plan is a must.
Xian is detto copy of AN12
Lol this is also cheapest chinese Junk 😅😂
And what is your country making to compete with this "junk"?
But with better engines than the fancy Embraer E-2 😎