Niall Ferguson on the bond between Palestine supporters and the authoritarian Left
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Listening from Israel and praying that the sane world will wake up in time.
Praying for Jews won't help
How would you know? You’re speaking in faith, faith in the devils and cowards of our world
I was a graduate student at Brandeis in 2014. I was never more ashamed of my Alma Mater than when they decided to cancel Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s commencement speech. In my many years at Brandeis it was the only speech I was actually looking forward to. She’s a true cultural hero.
Double negative. You were ashamed.
Why, because she married to Niall?
@@Minniesarathanks. I kept repeating that phrase = immediate headache
@@winstonyu1776
No, because agree with her or not, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a brave and brilliant thinker, and her criticism of Islam is well articulated and reasoned. I think the chants of Islamophobia are a way to avoid dealing with the criticism.
@michaeltsabar All politically created 'phobias' are what people who study cults describe as 'thought-stoppers'.
Dear Jewish Chronical, thank you for a heartfelt and insightful conversation with Niall Ferguson❤
We must stand together for what is right and protect Israel and preserve the Jewish people and their culture.
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob protect Israel❤
Ethiopian Jews are the chosen people not white jews
Why did Jews attack jesus
Amen
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
Martin Luther King Jr (A Proper
Sense of Priorities speech delivered Feb 6, 1968)
A man with perception of the lessons of history and the awareness of the present. Bravo! May we begin to teach our children the lessons of history again without a political objective.
Niall and his incredible wife, Ayaan Hirsi Ali are the intellectual leaders the western world desperately needs right now! We have a long fight ahead of us.
Ali recently accepted Christianity. We dont need mysticism.
Have you seen what the Western world is doing in Gaza??? F the Western world!!!
I have Ayan Hirsi Ali's books. Such an amazing woman. Followed her story for years, but lost her. So happy that she has a safe place and a great loving husband and her intellectual match. From Canada.
I am a liberal progressive, and havw stopped listening.also to NPR, stopped reading the NYT and others because the anti Israeli, anti semitic bias is so pervasive and repellent.
Niall Ferguson is a superb articulate writer and commentator. I never get tired of reading his work or listening to him.
Zion rules....
Actually Ferguson is a well known right wing tosspot. He can just do one.
Excellent conversation and informative.Thank you.
but futile. the true state of european society, civilization is now coming to he fore.
I take Niall’s point that the horrors of totalitarianism/war/lack of freedom should be taught better in Western schools/universities, but the problem is that people find it all a bit abstract without actually experiencing it for real. Only then will people realise just how damn good everybody has it in the West.
History isn't really taught in schools at all now, except as a means to promote woke causes. That is only one of myriad omissions.
I am a historian and sadly agree. The new generation is ahistorical. By this I mean they seem to have no ability to receive info from or about the past without judging it by a weird "presentism" or just dismissing it.
I’m not entirely sure what the solution to this is though, unless we just accept that this lack of appreciation for peace is an inevitable precursor for war, and is just all part of the natural cycle. I’ve always thought that national service is a good idea, and gives people (even if they never face action) a glimpse into ‘real life’ and lack of constant comfort.
Being originally from the (former, luckily) USSR, I support your point and understand it, perhaps, better than many. I do remember naive foreigners who suggested suing the authorities or organising a protest 'to make ourselves heard'. As if 😀
@@user-fs6ub4tl8lTHANK YOU .. as an old fellow historian I agree presentism is a big problem in today’s youth . Sadly I don’t see any answers but experience . I try to teach true history especially about the effects of societies outside democracy to my grandchildren and I see their total lack of understanding. Almost no one under 40 ( ? ) today has ANY concept of time or world events. You can’t understand something you have ZERO knowledge of .
Excellent civil conversation.
The historical parallel between the institutionalized anti semitism in universities with the distinguished German universities of the 1920s-1930s is simply chilling.
Ominous Parallels-Leonard Peikoff
Yeah it's all by design though just saying like and then you add the fact that Qatar is funding a lot of American universities like I mean I would wouldn't want to know why why the Middle East is now paying 40 million dollars a year to American freaking colleges like what is the necessity
@@satiricgames2129 you're not very literate or educated, are you?
Thank you for this fascinating discussion. These double standards and protests against Israel that threaten Jewish students on University campuses is horrifying . Another way to help these students stand up is through SSI..students supporting Israel. They are helping to get the other side of the message accross.
Brilhante exposiçao
An excellent conversation. Thank you! This is among the very best explanations of how and why that toxic bond has developed between the authoritarian left and other groups opposed to Western concepts of society, ethics and liberty.
Thank you. I learn much from you. I was shocked when just a day after Oct 7 all this anti Israel stuff was all over. I did not realize my country was like this, let alone the universities. I’m saddened.
Israel is a 'secular' democratic nationstate with free elections, a free press, women's and gay rights. The Palestinian rulers have or want, none of these things and they rule as a brutal, archaic, fundamentalist religious terror organisation. Now imagine them as your forever neighbours - if you enjoy your secular democratic freedoms, would you want them living next door to you? Then try imagining how you might feel... if many noisy and angry citizens of other secular democratic countries sided with those anti-democratic, anti-gay, anti-women's rights, religious totalitarian fanatical extremists and against you?
Love how Niall says NPR is crap...I am an American who stands with him 100%...
Yes, but its Leftist crap...
Conservatives voted to create and fund NPR because its advocates promised to support a conservative value. Another victory for Pragmatism.
Somebody said that intellectual’s education greatly surpasses their intelligence.
I like the opening "Let's start by talking about the increasingly bizarre world of academia...". A hundred years ago intellectuals in the west were attracted to communism and it flourished for a good 30 years until after Stalin died. I wonder how long this new attraction will last.
Yes, you are correct, during the 1930s, the communist ring (Philby, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt, Cairncross, etc) at Cambridge University in the UK, went on to betray Britain (and the Allies) to the Soviet Union during WW2, and throughout the Cold War. The Soviet recruiters realized that the top university was the best place to infiltrate, because Cambridge students would be the most likely to enter the intelligence services when they graduated, and would thus be perfectly placed to divulge important secrets. It is unlikely the "communist ring" would have formed by itself without Soviet prompting and funding, because Moscow is the place where they fled to, when they were "uncovered".
One wonders if the same thing isn't happening right now ... i.e. Russian or Chinese govt money going to fund "woke" activists in the West, in order to disrupt western society, and brainwash students who will later be employed in government and "intelligence" positions in the USA?
Until Socrates drinks hemlock.
I attended university in the 80’s. I remember ”still” having to put up with the odd (but compulsory) course in Marxist theory and some pathetic remnants of the 60’s in the form of grey-haired hippie professors. But, in honesty, it was on the way out.
Then I returned for two years in 2001, and BANG! Suddenly there they were: Foucault, Barthes, Baudrillard, Deleuze, Derrida, Bourdieu, Lyotard, Giddens, Rorty… Everywhere! But it took me another few years to understand what it all meant, and to see the effects.
Must have been different university or different subjects. I recall heavy Marcist theory being taught in 1980s at my university. When I returned to study at London university in 2004, I recall heavy anti-American sentiment and at SOAS, clear antisemitism.
I had the same experience - but comparing the mid 70s to the late 90s.
@@8_7478 Wow! I actually never came across anti-semitism during my student years.
I went to Lund University, and later to Malmö University (where I also worked as a teacher). During the latter period, political "consciousness" and philosophically grounded leftist ideas were much more pervasive. But anti-semitism came later, from outside the academy, via a growing Muslim population, and then somehow melding with the new left.
Today, anti-semitism is rampant, and most Jews have left the city.
@@boudicca9807 Interesting. Which university?
@@richardwillford2418 Lancaster in the 70s and Surrey in the late 90s.
Absolutely brilliant talk. Thank you!
For young people today it was such a long time ago that parts of the West was unfree. And therein lies the issue. Their parents didn’t live through any of it and neither did their grandparents. As a result we have to rely so much more on schools and universities to keep the horrors of authoritarianism alive in younger people’s minds. Furthermore, when I grew up in the seventies and eighties there were many very informative tv programmes and films that conveyed these issues well. There’s much less of that today, presumbly also because more time has passed since the 30s and 40s. It’s scary how such atrocities can be forgotten so fast.
And how easily these atrocities can be re-committed even by those you were previously committed to them.
Don't beat yourself up Niall; there's nothing humans, particularly the young, accept with so much reluctance as good advice. I once advised a newly qualified driver always to reverse into a parking space so he could see more clearly when he came out of it. It took someone to drive into his rear end as he emerged blindly from a walled alley one day, for him to realise the wisdom of my advice. And that, I'm afraid - and, I may say so, profoundly afraid - is what it will take for the newly arriving generations to realise their mistakes over these issues: What goes around comes around, does it not?
You're a good and useful man, and your life and work does and has made a great difference. And that's all I have to say about that.
Mick the Hick🖖
Absolutely.. well said.
For 300K years man did not know he had a mind. Now they know and dont like it.
When I went to high school in the early '60s, the most valuable courses I took were: civics, plane geometry, English, American history, zoology, band, and typing!
At 23:14 Ferguson mentions a “curious” identification of Jews, with Capital in Marxist ideology. Marx associated Jews with Capital in his work On the Jewish Question. Marxism has always been intensely antisemitic.
Thanks for saying this. But of course, this is never discussed.
Zion is never discussed. Spraken un zat...
And left-wing antisemitism has long had Marxist aspects and associations. Of course they call it anti-Zionism, but come on, it's the same thing in the end as they see it.
In his early work, Marx condemned the new "cash nexus" of capitalism, saying that medieval serfdom was superior. Why am I thinking of Monty Python?
@@TeaParty1776 Or the Marx Brothers? 🤣
I share the view that mindless football thugs are less dangerous, and certainly less deranged, than their intellectual equals in ‘universities’.
Hey! I played football from my young teens to my mid-20s and now I have a BA in philosophy.
There is someone in a high position in a large London teaching hospital who was a total footie thug in the late 1980s to 90s...
ABSOLUTELY
Eduction does not protect people from being genocidal maniacs. Goebbels had a doctorate. I believe most the the leaders of the Einsatzgruppen (death squads) held doctorates. One was a Lutheran pastor. History does repeat itself. Historical episodes rhyme.
Most ISIS leadership had PhDs.
Mahmoud Abbas has PhD. His dissertation was on Holocaust denial. Probably one of the most valued topics by today’s academic community.
Indeed, a clever dog is easier to train
@@semyonfridman7443 Correct. He is utterly insane. Here is his 'masterwork': en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_Side:_The_Secret_Relationship_Between_Nazism_and_Zionism
Many death camp commandants had PhDs.
Ominous Parallels-Leonard Peikoff.
40:50. Hecklers need to be recognized as disturbing the peace and removed and charged, forcibly if necessary, and the media who will screech about it need to be shunned and boycotted. Not only on this issue, on everything.
I started to notice the massive number of 'assistant deans,' etc., even at conservative St. John's University, as early as about 2000;
this should be no surprise to anyone when the Wokers took over most institutions.
Some schools have more adminstrators than professors, cc/to _Identity Trap_.
I don’t think the Russian contribution to the Hamas attacks of October 7th has been given sufficient coverage. Surely refocusing to eyes of the world on the Middle East is enormously beneficial to Putin?
Islamists dont need militant Christian globalism to hate Israel. What alleged contribution?
Great point
Niel is absolutely right 👍
David Horowitz was on to this realignment with his book “Unholy Alliance” published 15 or more years ago.
Ayn Rand warned about the attack on mans mind in 1956 with _Atlas Shrugged_. And shes still evaded.
Niall Ferguson is worth listening to.
🇮🇱I too am watching from Israel And hoping very much that lecturers will take lead from Niall Ferguson
Brilliant analysis.
Joshua 24:15b ...as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Psalm 137:5-6 KJV - If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
God bless Israel ❤ 🇮🇱 🇬🇧 🇮🇳 ✝️🕊
I think that it's not fair to expect Jewish students, who feel so alone and isolated, that feel threatened, to simply stand up and endanger themselves.I'm all for Jewish identity and pride, but certainly parents, as well as the students themselves, are fearful of the violence that they are up against. If the universities have no laws and/or bodies to defend them, it is like-thinking people of other religions and persuasions who must stand with them, not just philosophically, but physically. Mr. Ferguson obviously understands this as he moved away from Cambridge, only to find the same threats in California.
Maybe the higher the education, the higher the complexity of the individual, the higher the anxieties, the higher the self hate, the higher the hate to something or someone outside yourself, the higher the need to be relevant, belonging to a group where hate give a sence of a bond. Hate is easy, love takes work and need curieusity.
I think it is simpler than that. The relative wealth and peace since the end of World War II in developed countries has led to an overproduction of "elites." We produce more university graduates than we can find gainful employment for, so they create phony baloney jobs for them on the campuses that produced them.
So true!
If reseachers belonging to those belonging to the groups repressed by wokes stopped citing the organiztions they work for in their publications, the academic ratings of those universities responsible would drop dramatically. This would lead to huge pressure on their boards to resign.
Their academic standing is already dropping dramatically. It was just reported the 79% of all undergraduate grades given out at Yale are A or A-. The Ivies have stopped educating anyone. They are just networking opportunities for the children of the world's richest families. The people being admitted who are not from those rich families are just set decorations for the "woke" posturing of the spoiled children.
Israeli researchers these days report their works are being turned down from publishing without being even reviewed, which clearly indicates they are being turned down for being Israeli
Yep!
It's very concerning seeing academia bigotry & stupudity today!
Pls never give up!
Well spoken
Niall Rocks!
Absolutely
I hope that more and more "liberal" leaning Jews wake up to the acute and real dangers for them which come mostly from the woke left side and in fact from practised Islam itself.
The issue isn't that binary. Islamofascism, which is what Hamas, the PLO, Fatah, IJ, etc... are, is an Islamic version of Fascism, which is an extreme right-wing position. Indeed, the founding father of 'Palestinians' / PLO was Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, was a friend of Nazi Germany, and worked with Himmler to form a Muslim SS-Brigade based out of Bosnia, which worked on, wait for it: exterminating Jews. He also made a pact with Hitler, that once the Nazi's got to British-controlled Mandate Palestine - Transjordan, that they would kill all of the Jews. This excrement was then the teacher of Arafat and Abbas.
@@rsr789 The nazi party started out as left at first....
We are . I have done a lot of soul searching
as societal stability breaks down for whatever combination of reasons, people otherwise comfortable begin to feel compelled. so they now take sides on issues that in more stable times were, though ever present, sleeping dogs let to lie.
I am glad, unlike some commentators, he says 'the authoritarian left', because the democratic left, to which I belong, as does the leader of the party I vote for, with few exceptions, supports Israel.
You also have been at the forefront of the social deconstruction based in higher education that refuses to produce well balanced citizens with a respect for the other side of the social equation.
Staunch radical ideology has been praised and encouraged while the moderate left stood by like a proud parent!
I like your comment. I too feel part of the democratic left but recognise there is an authoritarian left. That may also mean the right could be divided in the same way.
@@8_7478 every form of ideology has extreme points that need to be identified and discouraged.
Left to their own devices they set upon a path of destruction and drag everything along with them.
Maybe in America. Most people everywhere else in the world, left or right, are seeing the bodies in the ruined streets of Gaza and withdraw any support they ever had for Israel
Nazi Germany's streets were littered with dead bodies in world war two, but most of the world did not withdraw its support for the Allies. Only the Jews are not allowed to fight back against those that seek their annihilation.
I would like to hear Niall on the connection of left wing hostility to western institutions and post modernism
Superb!
Professor Ferguson really knows his stuff, which can’t be said about the interviewer. He made a totally ridiculous statement saying that there has never been a Jewish country in that area which existed for more than 80 years. All you have to do is look at Wikipedia (which is very far from being Israel friendly). According to Wikipedia, the first Jewish Commonwealth existed for roughly 400 years (from the completion of the Solomon’s Temple in 10th. century BCE to year 587 BCE). The Second Jewish Commonwealth existed for roughly 600 years (from 530 BCE to 70 CE, when the Romans conquered it). Anyone who studied in jewish day school or yeshiva knows this without Wikipedia, but the interviewer obviously has no jewish education.
Yes, he is very wrong & needs to improve his own knowledge of Jewish history. AM YISRAEL CHAI !
@@user-fs6ub4tl8l I think he has to publicly correct his statement.
Yet, the kingdom split into two kingdoms after the death of Solom, which was approx. 80 years after the establishment of the "united tribes" kingdom. The second time there has been established an independent Jewish kingdom was at the 2nd century bce, by the Hasmonean dinesty. It is arguable when that era was a full independence but one thing is sure - the independence did not end in the year 70. This is the year of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, but the Romans ruled Judea for more than a hundred years by then ( at least from the time if the death of king Herod)
@@eilatharel287 I appreciate your remark, and it showed very good knowledge of our history, but I think it is immaterial that they split into two kingdoms, because the southern kingdom still continued to approximately 587 BCE. The issue is, in my opinion, that there was Jewish rule on that land, and his point was that there was no Jewish rule there that lasted for more than 80 years.
I found people in school from the fall of 74 on (in the second year of preschool) to be exclusive, punitive, abusive, alarmist etc. They valued and demanded and enacted polices that promoted exclusion, silence, coercion etc.
My observation is that like earth itself, the political spectrum is spherical rather than linear and there is a place on that circle where the extreme right and the extreme left meet.
Both left and right are collectivist. Your evasion of individualism is noted.
The bizarre dichotomy of the shouting sign carriers chanting “Trump is a Nazi. From the river to the sea” puts the issue in a nutshell. There never used to be a “but” after “Nazis bad.” Never mind that only Strawman Trump is a Nazi. Donald is not.
Sadly, antisemitism is on both the left and the right. Donald Trump hangs out with Fuentes, reinforces many antisemitic tropes… he is not a friend of Jews.
There are a lot of reports suggesting Trump idolized Hitler at least when he was younger. Ivana had told friends back then (after they divorced) that Trump had an annotated copy of Mein Kampf in his bedside table.
This all makes sense given his style and penchant for speeches. Also, his father was an active neo-Nazi member. That’s not even speculation.
I’m not saying he’s an antisemite, but the man clearly borrowed some strategies from them…it is almost formulaic. For example, “fake news” was invented by Nazi propagandists, it was called “lugenpresse” (lying press). Trump used twitter, Hitler supplied the population with handheld radios which had access to one channel. I’m not passionate about this at all, other than I know the history well and the similarities are uncanny.
Trump went to Germany for a state visit, remember, and the people there totally rejected him.
At least one person there said Trump was too damn close to that regime's leader in his opinions, though his targets of prejudice were different.
Absolutely
Reading the title tells you all you need to know. The vast majority of the center to left is anti authoritarian. In Israel they have tried for decades to help Palestinians in several ways. The rise of the right is causing almost all contemporary problems, including the deployment of identity politics to distract from economic justice, which has resulted in widespread dissatisfaction. Wish I was on this panel.
Basically, if you take groups defined according to some arbitrary set of characteristics, then figure out how productive that they are. The most productive people will generally be closer to the bottom. Woke ideology is essentially a complex formula to determine who is the most deserving of grift.
As someone who was a Jewish left I'll definitely say now you're 100% spot on the easiest way to say it is that Jews have always been the most successful minority and now & forever and unfortunately when you actually can pull yourself up by your bootstraps that shows that you can do it and that the left hates that
People can demand reform of universities, especially demand the end of DEI as a govt. mandate, demand balance from the legacy media, report PBS and NPR which are publicly funded and rely on taxpayer money.
The lack of a culturally influential, rational alternative is a problem.
Yes massive hypocrisy
History of the Holocaust or conditions that led up to it aren't taught in educational institutions perhaps due to the complete lack of knowledge on the part of the person teaching. The best teachers for this subject are people that have lived through the Holocaust as concentratiin camp prisoners with no shoes, no winter clothes, scarce food, beatings from the gestapo, etc. A few of these people are still alive and want to teach the future generation what happened.
Especially with The Labour Party minus Corbyn.
It seems like WOKE became the opposite of enlightenment.
Antisemitism has been deliberately muddled with any criticism of right wing Israeli government policy. Endorsing Israel is seen by many in the public as also endorsing the most extremme of settlers ethnically cleansing arab communities. The result is 'what aboutism' rather than a recognition that Israel is as culturally divided as the rest of the west.
There is no ethnic cleansing going on in Israel or in Gaza.
Seems like A. Lawrence Lowell would be right at home at Harvard in the 21st century.
✡✝☪FIGHT ANTISEMITISM!! Let the people of all faiths (Atheists welcome too!) unite to stop the ANTI-SEMITIC HOLOCAUST of the
courageous people of GAZA. Thank you! ✡✝☪
Just look back to the 1970s and Carlos the Jackal and Baader-Meinhof.
The title assumes that the Left has any other standard than, "What's good for the Left"
whats bad for the non-left
@@TeaParty1776 All about division and hate, isn’t it.
@@peterwebb8732 Nihilism, the hatred of values and reason, is the defining property of modern culture. Leftists are consistent nihilists but Rightists are influienced by it.
@@peterwebb8732 Hatred of reality w/o the Garden Of Eden.
Im reading ferguson’s ‘Empire’
And what is ironic is that I annotated so many places where the tactics the British used to colonize Ireland and America were almost identical parallels to what the Palestinians have been experiencing since 1948.
Now I’m no woke and run as far as. Can from that sort of closed minded bullying, (and agree that universities are rotting from within bc of them) BUT I have to say, for a historian there is no balance (no mention) about actual live streamed wiping out of Palestinians, while he is up in arms about chants about wiping Jews on the streets of US 1000’s of miles away. It’s unfortunate that the professor doesn’t recall that the purpose of higher education is in fact the refinement of human character - which incidentally includes preservation of innocent life. Im incredulous.
Then again, if you are married to someone who is closed-minded enough to see literally no good in a 1400 year old civilization, that objectively has much to commend it (as well as its inévitable failures) it’s going to rub off isn’t it?
You mean when in ‘48 they attempted a war of annihilation against the nascent state, failed, and then claimed victimhood? Arabs that remained emerged with full citizenship and equal rights.
Dare to be a Daniel, dare to stand alone.
Please work on your sound and microphones. A brilliant discussion difficult to hear.
Another reason political Islam suddenly exploded onto the scene was OIL MONEY gained from an upsurge of oil prices due to the oil embargo. The Saudis, suddenly very rich, appeased the Wahhabis and built Wahhabi mosques all around the world which were more fundamentalist and radical than the existing forms of Islam in for eg Malaya or Indonesia. Iran too used its oil riches to spread Shite fundamentalism after they came to power with the fall of the Shah.
Things haven’t changed since grandpa embraced Communism in his college days.
Nial, what about the extremism of zionism? 😳
Nial, what can be worse than what is happening to Gaza people?
Israel can't be optimistic at all after what it has done to Gaza. An apartheid, starving people, a genocide.
This situation has no future.
Your use of the word Zionism you might as well just say jew because at the end of the day having the right to self-determination why is it exclusively not allowed for Jewish people but everyone else good to go I I urge you just to say Jew I mean we know what you mean
The Palestinians are the victims. Always with the oppressed never the oppressors ♥️🇵🇸🕊️⚖️✌🏽🫒🍉🫶🏽🌅🇿🇦🇮🇪✨
We know you play the victim card continuously and you don't know that you're playing the victim card because you don't know any better but the historical facts are there and my friend 😂😂😂😂
I can wholly identify with this conversation and recognize the impact that the radical left on our society. But let us all not jump to the conclusion that to oppose these trends that we must jump over to the "radical right" which is equally repulsive especially here in the USA. I also enjoyed the intelligent and fact filled discourse but wail at the ineptitude of that paragon of conservatism available to the majority of Americans, namely Fox News.
This it's what the philosophy of Aristotle said.. young generation will learn what we give.... So we have to Care fully teach them been free educated and academy people. Perhaps my comment are connected with yesterday to to day.. what about educated system..one of my friend Matilda Jewish lady merry a Muslim boy .. have children now they are I think Israel or USA... University are center of ideologies propaganda.. we every Tuesday morning has 15 min information politics, all the school interior and exterior news happening with opinion.. for every event.. no comment on religion... War it's to go for winn never for loss.... And there are the biggest loser in human not in land.. we grow up with loving people what ever they are .. Jewish doesn't have to fraid from no one .. or Palestine people.. which are used from evil naive ignorance.. they have to live together .
What Mr. Ferguson thinks isn't going to make a blind bit of difference. 😀
the extreme left and right meet. the horseshoe model is wrong. underground the circle continues it completes as they meet. this is real political philosophy. this is reality/
If you want to help Israel, you need to start using and respecting the language and purposes of human rights law, and to stop taking sides as concerning violations of human rights. It is consistent to acknowledge and condemn Hamas atrocities against Israeli civilians and to condemn Israeli war crimes committed against Palestinian civilians. What has gone wrong is that human rights are considered secondary to political agendas. That is a complete upturning of logic. The necessity of human rights legislation is to regulate the conduct of politics, including war. Most people do not understand the political history of the Israel Palestine situation, and never will. But most people, at a basic humanitarian level, understand human rights violations and do not make distinctions regarding perpetrators. Any side which acts oblivious to this natural state of human affairs will lose sympathy for its causes by making itself synonymous with disregard for universal standards. Whoever has advised, or is advising Israel, to project any kind of disregard for human suffering in Palestinian territory, is either stupid, irresponsible, or worse. Ferguson needs to stay as far away from public mediums as possible, because his narcissitic brand of sophistry is counter productive. Yes, we get it. He is a very clever and good historian. I have bought, read, and enjoyed one of his books. Tremendous! But he is utterly brainless when it comes to reading the mood of the times, ironically. This is no time to whine on about your perceived status injury as a white man who gets to be interviewed on the BBC, where you have many friends. Can you hear yourself???? My friends at Harvard etc?? When I wrote the history of the Rothschilds??? Some humility please!! It is a time to focus all our attentiin on the bringing to an immediate end the slaughter of human beings in Gaza, and on bringing the Israeli hostages home.
No you're inserting that there's war crimes but unless you actually go to a court that says war crime you actually are wrong there is no war crimes mate this is war the difference is you just don't want Jewish people to fight back you want the state of Israel to disappear so yeah no I think
It is my hope to get rid of the UN
Pol pot Cambodia killing fields
Arent you the guys calling for the national guard and for peoples job. Your just projecting your authoritarianism.
Pol plot Cambodia
Next time please try to increase audio and video quality!
Having an etho-nationalist state is authoritarian.
That is nonsense. Democracies are not totalitarian, and Israel is one of them. You cannot vote in a totalitarian state, and over two million Muslims vote in Israel.
Left or not, the injustice done to the Palestinians, is glaring in your face outrageous. Ideology runs away with itself, if one sees it in purely these forms. Hypocrisy is a coat all shades of the body politic wear.
But the gross carnage in Gaza, is an affront to being human.
Yep. This video is all about damage control.
And yet the actions of Hamas are... what exactly? Hamas is fighting a war against Israel. Do you really expect Israel to not fight back? Or are you just upset because Israel is winning?
Both sides leaders are to blame for this crisis.
Never the less, it does not excuse that Israel is responsible for its response against Palestinian women and children since Oct 7th.
Considering the history of its people, it should know better than to behave in this manner.@@kenreckless2757
This guy is a total knob
😂😂😂 Isa cos you don't like what he's saying oh what a surprise
Take a Union Jack and shove it
The Palestinians have been cancelled since 1948. Please interview Miko Peled.
They were cancelled long before that. Not in the history of the world has there been a Palestinian nation-state.
@kenreckless2757 Well, there certainly wasn't an Israeli nation state. When the Western Allies pull out they will be gone. BDS
@@julietrudgill9887 If the Western Allies abandon Israel and it appears that Israel will be overcome by their enemies, there is no reason for Israel not to nuke the entire Middle East. So probably not something anyone should hope for.
@kenreckless2757 Everyone seems to have forgotten China in this sh*t show. Israel wouldn't dare use nukes. Even the yanks would probably intervene. BDS
That's because they were Jordanians.@@kenreckless2757
I see the elite academians as having characteristics of both the left wing and the right wing. Left wing because they are for oppressed, right wing because they are racist.
Yes; antisemitism is antisemitism. Kind of how the Mufti collaborated with Hitler. It is a far left and far right issue and they come together in antisemitism. How terrifying.
The "left wing" does nothing for "the oppressed" they claim to care about. They only want credit for saying they do.
Ridiculous and devoid of logic
You want to talk about double standards - how about the double standard on people dominating, bombarding and invading other people's countries? Terrible when it's Russia - apparently fine when it's our friends at the eastern end of the Med .
No, the real problem is, when discussing Israel, people forget that the Jews are the indigenous people, and that the Arabs are foreign invaders. The Arabs who falsely identify as :palestinian' invaded in 1948, and committed the very war crimes that Jews are erroneously accused of.
@@deborahfreedman333absolutely
So you are referring to Oct 7 when Hamas sent bombs to most of Israel, breached the border and attacked thousands of people and killing over 1200 people?
My god a I’ve stumbled though a wormhole into a parallel universe 🤪
Niall is a historian for hire. He has his meter running here
All historians are for hire. It is a profession, and people have every right to make a living.
@@Ladyheartwork It is a profession with standards and ethics. Niall's sadly are of the cab rank. He is a propagandist. And doing very nicely.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, I could not disagree more. Revisionist history is the liberal agenda. Standards have gone out the window.@@paulmatters2641
@paulmatters2641 where is it more that you just don't like what he's saying so you're trying to discredit him like every other person like I mean it's pretty transparent my
@@satiricgames2129 I dont mind what he is saying. But he is wrong. What I object to is his lack of ethics as an historian
If we are going to have a conversation, in which you accused supporters of Palestine, then we must also discuss the reasoning why they are supporting them. Can we speak about the war crimes, crime against humanity, use of illegal weapons by the IDF since the dreadful hamas attack. Why don't you invite experts from international humanitarian group or international law. Can we discuss how these hate war tactics has lead to the killing of hostages by the IDF?
While I agree the civil and human rights of Palestinians should be guaranteed rights, it’s not lost on me there were those who were incapable of expressing any sympathy at all for the Jewish families who lost loved ones on October 7.
@Hgood1 I appreciate your response but I can only speak for myself and maybe few people I have shared thoughts with. It shouldn’t be lost on, we do not forget, pretend not be horrified and concerned for lives when we heard of the Hamas attack. It’s was a terror attack on civilians and kidnapping! As you hear from the reports, it wasn’t just Jews that felt victims to this attack, foreign nationals were victims or casualties too. I only point this out because we (I) felt the pain and horrors those families have to go through, regardless of ethnicity and sympathies with the state of Israel. I have no issue with the targeting and erasure of Hamas and understand it a complex work. But you can choose an easier path that put you the same path and actions as Hamas. Collective punishment and the ongoing death of Palestine civilians brings out the same response and emotions in us as when Hamas attacked but the difference is this has been ongoing since the 7ths, journalist, hospital, UN staffs etc has all been killed in 100s. All this without securing all kidnapped victims makes us worries about more possible Jews death. So yes we are screaming for a ceasefire, the Palestine people are not the enemy, Hamas is. Now that’s said, because some understand how and why Hamas came to the region or seek to attack Israel doesn’t mean they back Hamas but understand Hamas will use the hurt and pain of innocent civilians to recruit for their course. There must be a better way.
😂😂😂 just saying there's war crimes because you think fighting a war is bad is not actually reality if you want to face the reality it's a war