FULL INTERVIEW: Ari Melber & Yuval Noah Harari on MSNBC’s The Beat (November 2023)

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  • What makes conspiracy theories so appealing? Why don’t humans always use wealth and technology in ways that benefit humanity? And why is the ‘New Right’ turning on conservative traditions?
    Watch MSNBC’s Ari Melber speaking with ‘Sapiens’ author Yuval Noah Harari about a huge array of topics in this extensive conversation, including: recent AI developments, global political trends, how history is written and interpreted, storytelling and ‘fictions’ as a force in society, the existence and meaning of God, the enduring impact of America’s ‘founding fathers’, Harari’s views of his own intellectual reach and criticism of his ideas. Recorded for MSNBC on November 14th, 2023.

Komentáře • 657

  • @tednash396
    @tednash396 Před 3 měsíci +11

    I so much appreciate the tone of the dialogue. This was a coversation.

  • @isetfrances6124
    @isetfrances6124 Před 5 měsíci +7

    So healthy. As an historian I’m grateful for his reach into our future🩷👏🏽

  • @robertginsburg8113
    @robertginsburg8113 Před 5 měsíci +68

    What impressed me about Mr. Harari is his ability to keep his clarity of observation and not allow the thought process be corrupted by the information he consumes.
    He always manages to stay grounded in basic humanity.

    • @mountainair
      @mountainair Před 5 měsíci +6

      Agree. We need as many people like Yuval as possible now - those who can rise above the polarization and are committed to seeking truth, clarity, etc

    • @michaelboskovich6948
      @michaelboskovich6948 Před 2 měsíci

      Ya he’s a great humanitarian this world needs more Noah’s this guy has the answers to everything he’s so smart - I’d follow him for sure.

    • @paular.4059
      @paular.4059 Před měsícem

      He is really fantastic, he has showed me the world and life in such a richest manner❤❤❤❤❤

  • @meandego
    @meandego Před 4 měsíci +7

    "History is not about remembering the past, it's about liberating ourselves from it."

  • @betecorreiaatriz
    @betecorreiaatriz Před 4 měsíci +5

    Harari, you are the best!!

  • @suzannefarrington4143
    @suzannefarrington4143 Před 4 měsíci +8

    Yuval is a breath of fresh air. A role model. Ari is a very capable interviewer, and he gives us a chance to see the corporate news world intersect with a humble, yet commanding, public intellectual.

  • @meghan42
    @meghan42 Před 5 měsíci +101

    I love Yuval. His formidable intellect is met with equal measures of kindness and compassion.

    • @Guckmalparty
      @Guckmalparty Před 5 měsíci +8

      You know that he considers you an animal which can be hacked, right?

    • @meghan42
      @meghan42 Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@Guckmalparty Yawn.

    • @meghan42
      @meghan42 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Guckmalparty Yawn.

    • @Guckmalparty
      @Guckmalparty Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@meghan42 Who's a nice puppy? Yes you are!

    • @YourTripleScorpio
      @YourTripleScorpio Před 5 měsíci +1

      DTs hackneyed hacks?

  • @jean-francoisferry1931
    @jean-francoisferry1931 Před 5 měsíci +71

    I can’t recall where I heard this: we have prehistoric brains, medieval institutions, and god like technology. This is our dilemna.

    • @Northcountry1926
      @Northcountry1926 Před 5 měsíci +5

      Well said

    • @cronix1
      @cronix1 Před 5 měsíci +4

      Great quote, thank you for sharing. Definitely a Trilemma!

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater Před 5 měsíci

      you will be sacrificed to bring about their Ai God@@cronix1

    • @ananthan8951
      @ananthan8951 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Soul is the subtle body which inhabits every sentient being. Humans have the widest individual evolutionary variance within species. In the circumstances of existence, in capacities and inclinations, in personality and destiny. In Indian philosophical traditions including Buddhism, the subtle body could just as well be involuted into one of a lower species.

    • @oriongps1181
      @oriongps1181 Před 5 měsíci +4

      The Origins of Creativity, chap. 9 "Bedrock". Liveright Publishing, 2017
      Therein lies the dilemma of the humanities. They, and with them a large part of liberal education, are expected to describe and explain the essence of a social world of Paleolithic emotions, mediaeval institutions, and godlike technology with no clear idea of meaning or purpose.

  • @cloggietony
    @cloggietony Před 4 měsíci +6

    Love it. Thank you Ari for having invited him.

  • @bhaswatidas7976
    @bhaswatidas7976 Před 5 měsíci +11

    This man is out of this world!!

  • @ginger22ly
    @ginger22ly Před 5 měsíci +5

    I didn’t realize this show has deeply intellectual discussions. Wow on MSNBC!

  • @ralph1270
    @ralph1270 Před 5 měsíci +8

    “History is not the study of the past, it is the study of change.” What a profound statement. As a History buff myself, I can understand it.

  • @nick_yt23
    @nick_yt23 Před 5 měsíci +15

    Somebody please tell this guy Ari to stop interrupting the interlocutor when he’s answering his very question . Thanks .

  • @shymanskyportraitphotograp5086
    @shymanskyportraitphotograp5086 Před 5 měsíci +16

    Absolutely the best hour I have ever spent. I have read all of Yuval's books and have introduced my children to them as well. Yuval is an incredible thinker, and we are fortunate to have him in our world.

  • @ireneclark3993
    @ireneclark3993 Před 5 měsíci +5

    P.s
    Very interesting, woke my brain up this morning.

  • @lomps
    @lomps Před 5 měsíci +36

    Wow…Ari delivers one of the best interviews of Yuval Harrari that I have ever seen! Thanks!

  • @denisemorton56
    @denisemorton56 Před 5 měsíci +2

    So good I watched it twice.

    • @isetloves
      @isetloves Před 4 měsíci

      Me too! Using for a research paper

  • @SiberFl
    @SiberFl Před 5 měsíci +5

    incredible man. history in a making

  • @Waverlyduli
    @Waverlyduli Před 5 měsíci +60

    Loved this discussion: Harari's singular intellectual breadth and depth, Ari's warmth, intelligence and manner.

    • @ricardoheurich7824
      @ricardoheurich7824 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Good review! Exactly right!

    • @olalekanajiteru1361
      @olalekanajiteru1361 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Ari is a great and warm interviewer. Harari, what more can I say? Pure genius!

    • @anypercentdeathless
      @anypercentdeathless Před 5 měsíci

      Agree. Nice to see people finally realizing their childish religious beliefs are wrong.@@olalekanajiteru1361

    • @osomusic
      @osomusic Před 5 měsíci +1

      The interviewer?
      Half the time he hear him scrolling through his pages looking for his next question instead of listening.

    • @user-uy8iy5nh1j
      @user-uy8iy5nh1j Před 4 měsíci

      Wow. You like being called obsolete as a human?

  • @rinadror
    @rinadror Před 5 měsíci +28

    Thank you Yuval for the interesting discussion. I had a great time as usual.

  • @MendeMaria-ej8bf
    @MendeMaria-ej8bf Před 5 měsíci +20

    What a great thinker! And in addition a likeable humanitarian!

    • @JimmyMarquardsen
      @JimmyMarquardsen Před 5 měsíci

      Thanx 😊

    • @user-uy8iy5nh1j
      @user-uy8iy5nh1j Před 4 měsíci

      Humanitarian? How so?

    • @MendeMaria-ej8bf
      @MendeMaria-ej8bf Před 4 měsíci

      @@user-uy8iy5nh1j Why not?

    • @amandamcleam9031
      @amandamcleam9031 Před 4 měsíci +1

      See what he says at WEF, he thinks humanity has no purpose, he's a liar!! Learn who your listening to before you let demonic people influence your thoughts. Wake up people

    • @MendeMaria-ej8bf
      @MendeMaria-ej8bf Před 4 měsíci

      @@amandamcleam9031 My impression is different from yours. I read some of his books and listened to some interviews. So far I can not share your opinion about him. Why do you think he's a liar or demonic?

  • @regentblue
    @regentblue Před 5 měsíci +13

    Two brilliant humans talking!
    I wish this were 5 hours long.

    • @niemand6031
      @niemand6031 Před 4 měsíci

      What is "brilliant" about the interviewer? Can you give an example of something brilliant he said in this video?

  • @victoriacampos7715
    @victoriacampos7715 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Excellent! Thank you Yuval and Ari.

  • @aWOKEn1445
    @aWOKEn1445 Před 5 měsíci +4

    So glad Yurval mentioned breath and body awareness as the most important things, a nod to his Vipassana meditation practice.

  • @sanniran
    @sanniran Před 4 měsíci +2

    Very nice and interesting. ❤

  • @dennisossianderrmplmtcst2053
    @dennisossianderrmplmtcst2053 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Thank you Mr. Harari, Mr. Melber and supporters for this discussion. ✨🙏✨ Kindly, Dennis

  • @natiblanchetyoga
    @natiblanchetyoga Před 5 měsíci +3

    It would be perfect if the interviewer didn't interrupt so much. Do they really listen? 🤔

  • @zionen01
    @zionen01 Před 5 měsíci +14

    Few people I’m glad exists in this world for the better of humanity and this man is one of them.

    • @freedomlife3623
      @freedomlife3623 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Sam Harris is another one, missing Mr. Christophen Hitchens greatly.

    • @amandamcleam9031
      @amandamcleam9031 Před 4 měsíci

      No he's not, he's buddies with Klaus Schwabb and has a sick mind. He thinks humanity has no importance, wants to insert tracking chips, health and thought chips. He is not on the side of freedom or humans . Better listen to what he spews at the WEF meetings. He 8s part of the problem . Not much of a Jew either from what I'm hearing here

  • @1980nikolov
    @1980nikolov Před 5 měsíci +3

    When Harari speaks, others should listen…

  • @SigmaEmpataLevante
    @SigmaEmpataLevante Před 5 měsíci +6

    Yuval Harari you have done a great job. Keep doing a great contribution to mankind.

  • @amadeoorellana6863
    @amadeoorellana6863 Před 5 měsíci +2

    breath!! I love him!

  • @HardeepSingh-tf3tt
    @HardeepSingh-tf3tt Před 5 měsíci +25

    A fascinating interview... Really enjoyed... Thanks a ton!

    • @ragged_claws_scuttling
      @ragged_claws_scuttling Před 5 měsíci

      As a Jew who has been questioning the existence of God lately, I am fascinated by the diverse religious communities in India. I hope you don’t mind me presuming your background. I have so much to learn about the Hindu, Sikh & Jain religions.

  • @ireneclark3993
    @ireneclark3993 Před 5 měsíci +5

    My father's favourite maxim You have to move with the times. Makes sense it shows a progress happening. It doesn't necessarily mean tear the whole thing down
    There are the means available for positive change but all people are rquired to engage to make it happen.

  • @anthonyokwedy7101
    @anthonyokwedy7101 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Was just thinking to myself i have never seen this version of a Yuval interview and i consume a lot of them😅. Totally brilliant from two grounded thinkers.

  • @jamesleonard2870
    @jamesleonard2870 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Great guest and great interview 🌊🏄‍♂️🪷

  • @sabahtahir1200
    @sabahtahir1200 Před 5 měsíci +21

    Thanks for explanation and this great interview 👍🏼

  • @ljiljanageorge5689
    @ljiljanageorge5689 Před 4 měsíci +1

    History is not about past, Harari said in this interview, but is about change. As long as nobody changes what really happened in the past, which is predominant in the present.

  • @dennismorris7573
    @dennismorris7573 Před 5 měsíci +37

    Love hearing this brilliant man speak, Professor Yuval Noah Harari.

  • @Trinitypater
    @Trinitypater Před 5 měsíci +3

    Such a wise and humble man! A rare species. ❤

  • @josephgonzalez8972
    @josephgonzalez8972 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Listen to this guy. He is right.

  • @MultiMurfi
    @MultiMurfi Před 5 měsíci +22

    Mr Harari , thank you for being you . Amazing .

    • @amandamcleam9031
      @amandamcleam9031 Před 4 měsíci

      Investigate his thoughts before you listen to him. See what he says at WEF, he hates humanity

    • @MultiMurfi
      @MultiMurfi Před 4 měsíci

      @@amandamcleam9031 I did . For quite some time . And I like him . I hate some humanity too don’t you ? Chill . This planet is not LA LA land .

  • @goldencitybythebay
    @goldencitybythebay Před 5 měsíci +3

    Excellent program

  • @bambiwurscht
    @bambiwurscht Před 5 měsíci +5

    Good job getting into mainstream media! This world needs your voice as loud as possible!

  • @ThomasHecquet
    @ThomasHecquet Před 5 měsíci +2

    I did my best but I could never disagree with Yuval so far...

  • @syang1116
    @syang1116 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Yes to liberate from the past..

  • @edmikhael1
    @edmikhael1 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Fascinating person Noah.. and a beautiful mind.
    I am seriously thinking of appointing you as my personal GOD 😀.
    I consider myself lucky to exist in the same time as you.
    Thank you for the enlightenment you brought to this world 🌹🌹.
    Much love
    Ed

  • @oscarvaquerano9381
    @oscarvaquerano9381 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Outstanding. Thank you Ari

  • @MrCyclist
    @MrCyclist Před 5 měsíci +13

    Yuval is someone to emulate for his humility while having so much knowledge.

    • @amandamcleam9031
      @amandamcleam9031 Před 4 měsíci

      Watch WEF , this man is part of the crazies trying to reset into authoritarianism. See how he hates humanity...be careful what you let into your mind and heart. He is buddies with Klaus Schwabb, the antichrist

  • @Zeeshan-bv7mo
    @Zeeshan-bv7mo Před měsícem

    Yuval Noah Harari is the gift for humanity...
    ⭕♾️

  • @menotq
    @menotq Před 5 měsíci +3

    A truly gifted well-rounded man. Pleasure to hear, him speak! the interviewer, hmmm

    • @aWOKEn1445
      @aWOKEn1445 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes, I noticed that too. Humph!😮

  • @DDBb993
    @DDBb993 Před 3 měsíci

    Two of my favorite people. Thank you. I learn so much from Yuval.

  • @chataugua
    @chataugua Před 4 měsíci +1

    Tho I have liked Melber in the past, I really had the feeling he was trying to get a "gotcha!" response from Harari, but Harari is too smart, humble and honest to respond and just tried to answer the questions.

  • @darrellrohling555
    @darrellrohling555 Před 5 měsíci +19

    More people need to hear this sort of exchange, nurturing CRITICAL THINKING skills!

    • @amandamcleam9031
      @amandamcleam9031 Před 4 měsíci

      Your wrong, this man is a buddy to Klaus Schwabb. He is pro an authoritarian world government. Watch him at WEF gatherings

  • @gabygonzalez7245
    @gabygonzalez7245 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Great interview👍thank you very much!!

  • @user-nc2ku7pf8p
    @user-nc2ku7pf8p Před 4 měsíci +4

    Amazing, can never have enough of this smart guy. Down to earth, yet profound. Keep on sharing with us. You do have a shelf life

    • @mariobecker4401
      @mariobecker4401 Před 4 měsíci

      A brilliant guy - MUCH more considering what's happening since Black Shabbat.

  • @PeaceAkaShanti
    @PeaceAkaShanti Před 5 měsíci +6

    Excellent interview. Loved the questions Ari. Yuval looks at issue from various angles. His comprehensive analysis is always top notch.

  • @briankraemer8139
    @briankraemer8139 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I love this man, Yuval Noah Harari. He is here for just such a time as this. So is Ari Melber. Thank you, Ari, for allowing your hair to silver like mine, one day at a time. It would have been tempting to blacken it for the rest of your life. Whoever asked AI to write a brief letter to Yuval Noah Harari must certainly have been asked to express itself with a "sassy tone" and probably other specifics were also given it.

  • @PrimitiveInTheExtreme
    @PrimitiveInTheExtreme Před 5 měsíci +24

    Great conversation, great questions and great answers.

  • @princeamu
    @princeamu Před 5 měsíci +4

    This guy is poetic. His opening answer about history is spot on

  • @lesbrattain6864
    @lesbrattain6864 Před 3 měsíci

    WOW Harari is so articulate and bright. I love watching him. Why can't we come up with some leaders like him?

  • @josephgonzalez8972
    @josephgonzalez8972 Před 4 měsíci +1

    We must endeavor to become our best version of ourselves.

  • @mlight7402
    @mlight7402 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Thought-provoking interview. Thank you.

  • @sohum9501
    @sohum9501 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Wonderful interview. Please invite people like this more often. Let’s talk about uplifting ideas, factual, scientific historical patterns.
    I’m so tired of listening to anything that refers to Trump. He is again getting a lot of free publicity.
    Talk more about what is working. Let’s focus on positive efforts. Biden policy that is helping people & changing lives for the better!

  • @binya3
    @binya3 Před 2 měsíci

    Yuval is a great voice for the sanity of humanity.

  • @allenmoses110
    @allenmoses110 Před 5 měsíci +4

    A postmodern view of religion acknowledges that religion has nothing to do with scientific fact. It is rather a cumulative cultural product of people. But people are the receivers of a religious tradition that gives us cultural, moral, and ethical orientation in our lives. The problems with religion in our contemporary society happen when people equate religion in the same level with science and fact. Religion then becomes fundamentalist, literal, and highly destructive to its followers and others.

  • @MonkeysTimes2
    @MonkeysTimes2 Před 5 měsíci +5

    A brilliant man not crushed by the weight of notoriety and who is capable of translating scientific endeavors into a language of high emotional content and value in order to reach people less scientifically inclined. And he has a good sense of humor which Ari was pleased to bring into the light.

  • @feerozbabar6646
    @feerozbabar6646 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thanks noah hariri

  • @professorsunilkumar7502
    @professorsunilkumar7502 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Dr harari you are great historian in present cenario its my great pleasure to listen you .

  • @mikemelenka1014
    @mikemelenka1014 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Good point on the critical reviews , as if every reader has a phd

  • @richardmulcahy1535
    @richardmulcahy1535 Před 5 měsíci +11

    Two diamond_hard intellects delivering conversation at the highest level of broadcast media, such a service to their listeners. I could not see a single logical nor linguistic flaw. And so I continue to enjoy the entire clip. My sincere thanks to you both.

    • @marcusbrockman3133
      @marcusbrockman3133 Před 5 měsíci

      You mean 2 fascist Zionist Jews who, if aren't found guilty of genocide, will be guilty of ethnic cleansing

    • @katherenewedic8076
      @katherenewedic8076 Před 5 měsíci

      All except that Ari deferes to the miss use of words keeping in support of the twisting of words to create and maintain ignorance amongst the populace

  • @philostreet781
    @philostreet781 Před 5 měsíci +2

    To be a contributing member of an organization, one cannot be too critical of themselves or others. Be a builder, not a critic ❤ 36:39

  • @user-vj5nh5yp5u
    @user-vj5nh5yp5u Před 5 měsíci +4

    it will be interesting to get your take on South Africa's genocide case against Israel.

  • @ajadrew
    @ajadrew Před 5 měsíci +10

    Good conversation 👍

  • @LuLU-ep7wf
    @LuLU-ep7wf Před 5 měsíci +3

    love all his books!!!

  • @kimb5629
    @kimb5629 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I'm gonna order all of four of those books.

  • @liorabinyamin1229
    @liorabinyamin1229 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Great interview; much cleaver questions & and much inspiring answers

  • @helge666
    @helge666 Před 5 měsíci +10

    That was an excellent interview! Thank you!

  • @elodieleaf
    @elodieleaf Před 5 měsíci +1

    Just beautiful!

  • @monowarparvezbabu
    @monowarparvezbabu Před 4 měsíci +2

    Yuval who successfully confused me, after reading some of his books became one of his blind admirers, I considered him a humanitarian.
    It made me totally speechless when I found him as a great supporter of ongoing GAZA genocides.

    • @williammkydde
      @williammkydde Před 4 měsíci

      Since you are much more simple than him, you must live with the possibility that you can't understand him. He may have more facets than your available sensors can grasp. Not that he's a god either, and I am not his fan.

  • @Jahguaar
    @Jahguaar Před 2 měsíci

    Knowledge supports growth... Very informative.

  • @paolazo-l4790
    @paolazo-l4790 Před 5 měsíci +5

    That was very interesting, as usual with Harari. Thank you

  • @Humannondancer
    @Humannondancer Před 5 měsíci +2

    Being accused of being a Yuval Noah Harari type, I thought meant just being jewish related.
    This interview brings a whole new meaning to me of Yuval, of which I had no idea.
    I should have said yes, absolutely yes.

    • @TheAureliac
      @TheAureliac Před 3 měsíci +1

      And thanks for the compliment.

  • @alvaroromeropimienta2613
    @alvaroromeropimienta2613 Před 5 měsíci +2

    thanks !!

  • @ronaldmacpherson3345
    @ronaldmacpherson3345 Před 5 měsíci +2

    The stories that humans create are not always benign and without bad consequences. So we must chose those stories that have positive consequences.

  • @davidvita
    @davidvita Před 5 měsíci +1

    This is a different interview! Great job. Thanks

  • @ABAKABAK1
    @ABAKABAK1 Před 5 měsíci +1

    "God is people" - told me my Catholic priest some 60 years ago. He was so right.

  • @PatrickFerryCoach
    @PatrickFerryCoach Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great interview and LOVE the kids book!

  • @marilynbodasing9393
    @marilynbodasing9393 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Well run interview. Good preparation and questions, leaving plenty of time for answers.

  • @MarthaCalbimonte
    @MarthaCalbimonte Před 5 měsíci +2

    Good job interviewing Yuval, Ari! Thanks!

  • @pattyann562
    @pattyann562 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Every time I listen to Jarai Yuval I am amazed at his unique and spot on ideas. I'm 70 and I've never had such clear understandings of how the evolution of societies and their ideas manifest in our world.
    I'm not previously seen Ari in this sort of interview and I am duly impressed and appreciative

  • @mazetoeden9334
    @mazetoeden9334 Před 5 měsíci +2

    this was an awesome and fun interview. great interviewer and great interviewee

  • @SL-eh6hp
    @SL-eh6hp Před 5 měsíci +3

    Yuval brilliantly frames human history and the implications of our decisions that we are experiencing today. His prediction on the exploding "useless class" are coming to life in our cities across the country.

  • @MarincaGheorghe
    @MarincaGheorghe Před 5 měsíci +1

    Grat interview!

  • @sunshinedenney8695
    @sunshinedenney8695 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Lovely conversation, thank you.❤

  • @igoralexandershnaidstein1599
    @igoralexandershnaidstein1599 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Just pure common sense,real intellectual,fantastic interview

  • @mirjami4090
    @mirjami4090 Před 3 měsíci +1

    🕊️🌿✝️🕊️🌿 Thank You Jesus for Your judgements.✝️

  • @erickamen6042
    @erickamen6042 Před 5 měsíci +15

    I love listening to Yuval. The depth and sheer novelty of his thought is immense and powerful. However, when it comes to AI, from my own personal perspective, I think he gives it way too much credit. Not only is AI not conscious, it is not, at least as of this writing, intelligent. This subject is admittedly a rabbit hole so, briefly, I think Yuval would benefit greatly from pursuing the full spectrum of opinions about AI.

    • @meghan42
      @meghan42 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I guess it would depend on how one defines "intelligence". AI could be considered "intelligent", but definitely not conscious or sentient.

    • @nilent
      @nilent Před 4 měsíci

      No consciousness at all, but a simulation of intelligence. Still valuable...things could change radically in the next 5, 10, 20 years.

  • @yeahna9989
    @yeahna9989 Před 5 měsíci +1

    i love this man

  • @paulinabarnas8475
    @paulinabarnas8475 Před 4 měsíci

    @gentleman thank you for this great conversation. Super interesting.

  • @chrislee882
    @chrislee882 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Excellent Explainations from Y N Harari IMHO outstanding interview. History as change rather than traditional folky story approah we learn as kids is refreshing. And more workable approah for our times and challwnges. Brillant insight. Big Thank You for that. Small point from me. The distinction on the different perspective of what is " soul" for jews and catholics LOL Remember ~ recall it was Telliard De Chardin who posited that maybe even rocks had a primative soul or spirit nature. In this perspective of course what evolved latter also known as plants and anaimals etc also have an intangible soul nature as well. Chardin career as respected geologist is accepted As respected Jesuit Thelogian very much less respected and accepted (especially in Catholic church of the 20th century) Yeah the history or fictions we invent for ourselves can be improved I agree.