Sony a7R III Review vs D850 (with raw files)!
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- čas přidán 27. 10. 2017
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Hands-on with the Sony a7R Mk III comparing raw image quality, high ISO & dynamic range to the Nikon D850.
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Tony & Chelsea Northrup It seems like Sony rushed to launch a7riii because Nikon d850 has taken all the attention. Sony a7riii is surely a great camera but at least sony should have used new sensor. For now Nikon d850 is still the best FF camera on market at least for image quality.
Ordered mine the minute it went on pre-sale. Would you find that using this plus a GH5 to capture 4K 60fps would work well in tandem on most video projects? The stills portion of the A7R III is a huge draw for me, since I love it so much on my A7R II. Will overheating in 4K be an issue this time around?
Great video as always guys, I'm still not sure which one to buy as my first camera since graduating from Uni. Both are amazing I guess it's down now to which brand do u think would be smarter to invest in at this point? thnx a lot
Tony & Chelsea Northrup how you can open LR those raws?
Love the music when you guys go inside.
lol i actually tried to rub that dust spec off my laptop screen with my thumb until I realized it was your camera - later confirmed :) Thanks for the overview guys. This seems to be a camera that a LOT of people are going to pick up (CZcams camera reviewers I mean) - I'd be curious (myself) to see what the next generation of their OTHER models come out with for specs
i did that too jijiji
then, check comments if my there's someone who mentioned this and i saw urs right away
It's not a dust speck. The sensor has a mole.
Yup, now I have a thumb smudge on my iMac...
after 9 years use of D3X i still feel good with this body and no need to change- all producer just want empty our pockets and also we cant see any big changes in nikon canon sony fuji all... just different is in our eyes and mink to take and edit photos. look at that guy who use 33000$ phase one and 3000 dollar canon 1d totally make same photos just different in detail and print size.
I was about to do that on my phone
Dear Tony and Chelsea,
I know you probably won't see this but I just wanted to thank you for all the time and effort you put into making these educational videos. I've been following this channel for around 5 years now and your thorough testing of new cameras and lenses has greatly helped me when making purchasing decisions and I feel like I've become a better overall photographer thanks to your informative videos and helpful tips. I've recently decided to upgrade to full frame and consider breaking into the professional market and although the a7riii is an older camera now I felt like it was the best bang for my buck and fit my budget. It's almost like a swiss army knife in the sense that it can do a little bit of everything and that's exactly what I want/need. I just ordered a used one off adorama and I can't wait till it arrives in the mail so I can start using it! Thanks again and much love from Pennsylvania
Tony + Chelsea, love your work here on CZcams, super helpful stuff. Wondering how you think this camera will stack up against the A7s2 in terms of low light video or the 4k video in general. I didn't like the a7r2 video - was bad in low light in my brief comparisons.
We preordered (2) rIII bodies to replace our rII bodies. We have been very satisfied with the a7rII shots beyond anything we experienced with Canon. We shot Canon since 1984, the last film camera was the F1, and then we switched over to the 10D (6mp and very noise, but it was our film to digital transition body.) Followed by a line up of the 5D & 1D cameras. Our last canon/DLSR was the 1Dx. It was a great camera, but the file size and DR of the A7rII kept the 1dx on the shelf. Now we have sold off all of our Canon gear except the T/S lenses. We have the A9 to replace the 1Dx for FR and AF of sports and wildlife, but I still prefer the larger file of the a7rII so even with wildlife and sports, I push the a7rII using subject knowledge to overcome slower AF and FR. The a7rIII was made for us. The only camera we use for our client work is the a7rII, so they are long paid for and we will still be able to get some $$$ for them on CL. I think we will sell of the a9 as well. It is a great camera, but it falls short at 24mp. I would like to see dual high speed card slots and a flip screen. P.S. we assigned eyeAF to the lens button, that along with back button focus is a very flexible setup to achieve focus and composition in any situation. All that being said, our client business is 90% on a big tripod and manual focus Canon T/S 17&24.
Hey Ron!
_Never_ blow on a sensor or lens. Isn't that something you guys told us not to do?
I am wondering if the speed of shooting is improved. By that I mean that it doesn’t freeze up after taking each photo like the A7Rii. I don’t shoot a lot of bursts, but even a single shot on the mark ii makes you wait about 10 seconds to review if you don’t have auto-review turned on.
Excellent review, as always. (Disappointed about the IQ findings vs. the D850, but the eye focus looks amazing.) I'm still unclear as to the limitations of silent mode. Is it 12-bit/compressed only? And did you experience rolling shutter?
Dust on sensor? drop down to below f4 it would hardly be visible. Shoot at 50 fps or higher to lessen the 180 shutter impact if you need to.
samiebuka probably much better than having oil spots on it
I am waiting on siii
I ordered mine yesterday, btw, you guys rock!!! Love your videos and both your books “stunning digital photography and lightroom”.
Thanks for a good review guys! I love that you use the gear that best suits your needs (Nikon Canon and Sony) and review with our needs in mind!
Been waiting for the A7R3 to switch from Canon. My 60D is getting a little long in the tooth
Gary Myers i have a 5dm3 and an 80d and i feel like the a7r3 is it!!
Johnathon Frumdehood Timimg and money. Maybe6500and A7RIII
My next choice from your same camera was the 7DMark ii, still using it a lot, I must say as my primary camera, then I do have a 5DSr, which is wonderful, thought for nature, and birds I always have my Tamron 150-600G2 mounted on the 7D mark ii :)
Major upgrade
I need a A7R III with 4k/60P.
Hey Tony & Chelsea, great videos thanks. Quick question during your testing did you find any issues with OVERHEATING?
I have a frustration on the SLOOOW Write speeds on the 7Rii. Taking five shots in RAW usually makes the previews unusable as it writes.
Is there a difference using the UHS-II cards on the Riii? Is it better only using one fast card? not using two to record at the same time... its one of the reasons I am thinking of changing over to the D850, even thought I love Eye-Autofocus.
Thanks!
I will be waiting for the A7RIII but minus the R in it..😁😁
If blowing and spitting don’t help with the sensor dust trying rinsing it under running water, works every time..
Tim Wynn - HAHA 😂😂😂
Steelbrush works to!
Don't forget to say a prayer.
Hey Tony & Chelsea, thank you so much for doing these videos! My question might not be able to be answered right now. But did you happen to catch how long it took to turn on, or when it went to sleep how long did the camera take to wake up?
Hi, nice video. What is yours opinion about whos the better for wildlife photography Sony A7R III, or Nikon D850?
Thanks and best regards
Now Canon has officially become a third party lens company for Sony
oh my God... all my Lenses from ex Canon are on duty with Sony
Zhaoyang Jin but they don’t work that well, the focusing system fumbles
Why get excited about a fast frame rate that has to be written to an SD card waiting to catch up and then later imported...Where is the XQD slot??? Sony helped develop them and they are found on Nikon D850, D5 and D500 cameras, but not in the newest flagship Sony cameras. Even my year old D500 has an XQD slot that not only writes quickly, but imports into Lightroom much faster than an SD card. When you have hundreds of images it makes a huge difference.
Debating if I should upgrade from my 5d mark III..... I tried out the d850 and fell it love with it.
Hey Tony, thanks for all the great videos. I’m currently looking at replacing my 1dx. Ive got the 5dsr and love it. I was thinking about jumping the fence over to the Sony side with the release of the a7riii. I don’t shoot that much sports any more but do require a low light camera for my weddings. (Sony is attractive due to weight, noise or lack there of and file size).
Just wondering if you think the a7riii is a good replacement for my 1dx. (Mark I). Thanks for your time!
I love the way Chelsea pronounces button 0:38
Tom W Game of Thrones way AKA glottal T
I caught that "buh-in"! Sounds like a bit of "Bawh-stin" there.
haha yeah, with the (ever so slight) lisp it's like she's doing a Jamie Oliver impression
Yep pre ordering now, take my money Sony, looks great 🤤
Chris Winter Don't you find gripping Sony cameras difficult Chris?
Oh snap it's Chris Winter! You sold me on most of my lenses lol. Thanks!
I just try and adjust to it. The more you use them the more natural it feels
Awesome!
Do you think they will give me the difference ($$) of the Sony A9?
Is the autofocus from Sony a7R III as fast as in the Canon 5D MK IV or the Nikon D850?
Thank you Tony & Chelsea! Preordered mine the moment it became available! Thinking of pairing it with a prime lens. Would you recommend Sigma 20mm 1.4 ART or Zeiss Batis 25mm f2? Appreciate the help!
Both are sick cameras. I'm a Nikon guy, but I kind of wish I had one of these too. I love the amazing competition and advances we're seeing with all cameras recently. Only good for the consumer.
martinaee Thanks to Sony for really reviving the innovation game!
martinaee I'm a Sony guy and want a Nikon lol
I shoot Nikon too, but I wish they would incorporate some of the tech Sony has.
What specifically? I mean they are completely different styles of camera. If Nikon makes a mirrorless I'm sure it will have a lot of similarities.
but it is bad for the wallet...xD
To me this looks more like a a7rmk2.5 same as the a6300 update
Please help me choose which one you suggest to buy D850 or A7r III ? Buying for my family shooting and video recording and please don’t suggest me any other cheap camera because I don’t care about money! Always been a Canon shooter had all their cameras but I’m ready/ want to switch to something new. So please help me decide? Thank you very much I’ll be really appreciate!
I’d love to see how you feel about the a7r3 for wildlife when you do your long term review
I’m selling my a7ii and a7rii with battery grip to get this thing.. I will have to wait for them to become readily available. Have to figure out how to minimize transition time between camera sale and purchase so I can stay working. Everything I wish they would have fixed for the mk2 has been fixed!
Michael Von Pick Photography looks like you are the perfect marketing victim that Sony aims sales at ;-)
I would be selling the a7r2 and a72 for what it takes to get into the a7r3
Im just guessing used market price may be about 2k for the a7R2 with battery grip, and 800 for the a72
not sure, i can prob do a little better. a7r2 may hold its value...
What's the shutter count on a7ii?
You'd need what's called "bridge financing." Couldn't be more than $50 / month to use a high interest credit card. $10-12 / month with a reasonable interest rate.
Yesenia Calas I have no idea. I used it for one year as my primary camera. Few weddings and a half a dozen portrait sessions. And ton videography. For the last year and has been sitting in my bag not getting used. Back up camera for weddings and stuff.
So Sony said the a7r3 has 15stop dr. If there is no difference between a7r2’s and a7r3’s image quality, where is the 15stop come from
PR dep
15 stop DR in the special mode, that's what i read on SAR dunno about that....
From their ass.
Nikon D500 3D Focus Tracking vs Sony a7RIII focus Tracking how do you compare? And can the Sony A7RIII buffer keep up in indoor sports?
Hey Tony, which one would you prefer for event photography?
I'm thinking about switching from my Canon 70D and 5D Mark 3
Thanks for the review! I'm fully committed to Canon in terms of lens investment...waiting to see Sony make a few more lenses, then I'll seriously think about switching.
Ahhh man, I know! Every new Sony release has me drooling. I just have 12 Canon lenses to sell first ;)
Adapt them?
I have a Canon-Sony lens adapter. It works decently, but you lose a majority of the autofocus capabilities and some extra features with the Sony. This is fine when I'm shooting something like food, but not in the case of concerts/sports (which I do a lot of). In those cases, I might as well use them with Canon to get the full features I'm paying for.
Yes... Canon lenses are useless on the Sony even with the Metabones.
Just got the A7rII half year ago...I think its good enough for me.
Me too. Can't help wanting the new one though.
Going by how long the millions?? of owners have had to wait for any decent Sony native glass, but many have migrated to Sigma etc, what is there to convince anyone that Sony will make native high end glass available for this and other FF cameras in the near future.
I'm curious if this camera will work on the runway. The a9 works great. It would be nice to have high resolution for cropping. I wonder if the focus is good enough.
In comparison to the 1Dx… how does the dynamic range add up… I realise that there are huge benefits to the eye detection but I’m wondering if this could work for lowlight, high speed sports.
I wanted to switch to Sony mirrorless, but it's simply a more expensive option. With Sigma and other third party manufacturers coming up with excellent affordable options means a DSLR is still today the best solution for enthusiasts and pros that seek the best value for money. So even if Sony has some features that Nikon &Canon don't have and with image quality being comparable, the access to affordable lenses is a big issue, because photography is more about lenses than about camera bodies.
Thankfully 2 years on we have Tamron providing the budget trio giving us 17-180mm at 2.8, sigma giving 14-70 in two 2.8 lenses, as well as 100-400, plus numerous 1.4 sigma art lenses ranging through 14, 24, 35, 50, 85, 105 and 135, as well as offerings from Samsung, Viltrox etc. If only Sony glass was available there’s no way I’d be getting an a7RIII today, but it’s thankfully a much more competitive space these days.
This aged well
I still feel like it should have XQD. With 10fps and that many pixels, even 2 UHD slots would be better.
The grip with any fast glass pinches my fingers (size L gloves). The AF was much slower than the D500 and D850.
do you have to press a button and then move the points around with the thumbtack? or can you just go straight from shooting to moving the points around without pressing any other button?
WTF...One card slot UHS 1....What were they thinking?
This is the camera I've been waiting for to jump ship from Canon. I preordered mine the minute it was available. The only thing I haven't heard about was the weather sealing. Do you guys know how good it's going to be in the wet? And what would be the first lens you buy for landscapes?
Adam Palazzari slightly more sealed than the mkII but I wouldn't trust it as much as a Canon 1D or Nikon Dx body. I've had my A7RII in the rain before but sheltered it with my arm. Many years ago I went into Fixation (one of the best service centres in the UK) and the technician told me they would use a raincover on any and all cameras whatever the manufacturer claimed about the seals. So I've been cautious with all my cameras not to have them exposed to more than a spray.
The Sony 12-24mm f4 is the one for you.
I mainly shoot seascapes. My Storm Jacket (available from B&H) resides permanently on my A7r. Had a few waves go over my first A7r but managed to fix it with Inox (lubricant). My mate shoots with a D810 and the side ports are fully corroded.
edshotsdotcodotuk Fixation are the best !!! Highly recommend them.
I use my Sony in the rain all the time. Never had a a problem
I would like to know more about the video capabilities of the A7R3 in comparison to the A7R2. I'm really thinking about upgrading, because I do a lot of slow-motion with the A7R2 in 720p which is a low resulution when you do everything else in 4k! The A7R3 can do 120fps in 1080 I think, it has a better stabilizer (we use the camera in moving cars mostly with rough suspension), the battery lasts longer and you have 2 SD-card slots. Oh and don't underestimate that 3.1USB! Time is money and I hate it to wait 15-20min to copy all files! ;)
Not Yet. Let me know when the figure out how to make a fully articulated rear display.
Are we going to see one of those "Why I switched to Sony" videos soon?
TravelGM soon man soon, after seeing Canon is suffering
They already said they ll switch to Sony when they tested the a9, AS soon AS Sony sorts some stuff out. They did
I wouldn’t have minded until you said it was spit.... I just....
The menu issue can mostly be sorted with the new 'my menu' tab though right? Unless that's limited to only certain options. I've set up my A6300 and my A7Rii buttons and Fn options in such a way I rarely need to dive through the menu now. A my menu would be lovely in a firmware update but I know we're not dealing with Panasonic or Fuji here :)
Sir,
What lens should I use on my Sony a6000 for daily shooting purposes and for shooting wild life? I have 16-50 kit lens, 55-210 zoom lens, 18-105 G-lens and 30mm macro. Or should I buy any other lens?
Slightly disappointed Sony didn’t improve sensor even a tiny bit and there is no 4K 60fps. Let’s wait and find out when a7s3 launches.
Word. Don't buy it.
Yeah I reckon they've saved 60fps 4k for the A7siii and probably a new sensor of upto 20mp with proper AF. A7Riii has had it's sensor tweaked to improve image quality according to Sony but I think it's probably on the video side with the new HDR standard. Not surprised the stills are the same/similar. I'll probably wait until the A7Riv myself. More than happy with the ii.
Get a video camera then!
so are they going to wait 2 more years to make a new camera with a new sensor or are they making an a9r soon. this camera is a minor upgrade compared to the 3 years
Perhaps there will be a9r soon.
Neat features, but........nikon all the way!😅....go D850!
Okay, it's really great that the a7r iii can charge through usb, but can it do that while the camera is operating ? i'm only asking because it can be very useful for time-lapse, hooking it up to a power-bank will be a great combination.
Thanks for the video guys! How come the A9 didn't win you over? But the lesser a7RIII does? Just curious...
Who else wiped their screen when they saw the dust on the sensor?
me!
Hahaha!😀
Me
I'll be buying a D850.
Nikon thanks you, it's a great camera!
Nice review, thanks guys. Tony, Chelsea, how confident are you that AF accuracy and speed is “greatly improved” over the Mark 2? I am a potential buyer, but for me, if the AF accuracy and speed are not producing significantly higher performance, I’m better to stick with Mark 2. I’d really appreciate if you could add any further comment on that aspect.
When you use the joystick, do find the black square is hard to see? Can the colour of the black square be changed?
I think it’s irresponsible for anyone to suggest to anyone to switch from one system to another regardless how good is that system especially Sony which is so expensive. I tried all the Sony cameras at the Expo 2017 last Friday.
I cut my middle finger doing that just for a few minutes, imagine an 8 hours wedding shoot. You will definitely get a blister on that finger and other fingers because the lenses are too big and too close to the body. Don’t get me wrong, they are great cameras with great focus system but not for me unless they redesign the body.
I think I'll be keeping my FujiFilm X-T2. Maybe if I were a full time studio photographer I would consider buying this camera over the Canon 5DIV or a Nikon D850, but then again a Fujifilm GFX 50S would be my choice as a studio camera.
I got the Panasonic G9. Its such a beast on paper and i cant wait to receive it! Do you think you will do a review on it?
Do you guys thing the Sony a9 or the Sony a7riii would be better at low light concert photography? Both of them seem to have what it takes for the outdoor action photography and portraits I do but the low light action capability is the one thing no one really mentions in reviews...
I would think their both good at low light conserts. I can't speak for the A7riii but I have the A9 mainly for concerts and dance in low light. Usable files at Iso 12800. I love the silent shutter also. Being possible to shoot dance or fast movement in complete silence is fantastic.
Could you run a scientific trial of durability and weather sealing, against D850 and 5D4? Traditionally, n should be 1000 for robust results. I see no reason to deviate from that standard. Looking forward to that video!
Run each through a normal cycle in the dishwasher on the top shelf.
Ok, seriously, speaking as a Canon user, and optimist sometimes to the point of delusion, they have now officially been left in the dust by Sony and Nikon. Sony only has the downsides of mirrorless which are unavoidable and arguably made up for by the benefits. Meanwhile the D850 is better in every way than any Canon except the 1DX II, which is an entirely different beast for a different purpose. Live view is the only pro point for Canon. If the next camera they release isn't competitive in some way, that has to be the final nail in the coffin.
AcidTripwire i feel really bad as i am set to upgrade from a Nikon d5200/7100+(dx lenses) to a used canon 5dmk3......sadly for us mortals , shifting to sony right now is still not an option
Rakitha Peiriz Don't feel bad haha, I'm aiming for a 5D Mark III as well, from a 70D, but I would rather get a new one grey market than used, since it's already an old camera at this point. Canon's lenses are fantastic, probably the best, there's a lot to be said for them. But if they don't do something, ANYTHING to make their bodies competitive again, I'm just going to adapt them to whichever other system wins me over.
Dont be funny. 1DX is still much better journalist and sports camera, 14 fps and more robust than d850. That what happens when people buy wrong gear for wrong work.
roki977 Ok, so... More fps and a more robust body. The two points it's better in after being beaten in everything else. That's 5 more frames per second and 27 less megapixels, on a worse sensor by far. As a specialist tool, yes, the 1DX has use.
70D to 5D mk III planned here too, but only because i have invested so much in the canon system already. If money was not an issue i would jump ship to Sony and the GM lenses in a heartbeat. Canon needs to step up their game or i am quite certain 5D Mk III will be my last canon.
really good review guys, good job
How is the delay when the camera is turned off or enters sleep mode. Using the camera for wildlife or action photography was
a problem with my old Sony A77 as the startup delay would cause missed shots. You could change to always on but battery life suffers.
Ordered the A7R3 come home baby.
Sony we need PlayMemories for Sony A7R3, thanks!!
Please add it to the first firmware upgrade.
Thanks!!!
Could you have used the dust removing setting on the camera to remove the dust?
Hi. Great job overall. Have you tried the Sony A7R III with sigma mc-11 adaptor? It is right what I see, you opened raw files from a7r III with Lightroom? Best regards
lens support!!! watching her swing around that GM 70-200 by the body is killing me! I shoot the a7rii with that lens all the time. Super heavy glass. I do not trust Sony's mount with that much weight on it.
The A9 and A7RIII have a mount that has been reinforced to cope with such things. We will have to keep an eye on things long-term to see if it is an issue.
What are you talking about, A7Riii Chassis directly attached to Lens is made from Magnesium Alloy, same material as Car Velg/ Wheel.
Compared to D500, which has plastic chassis / inside lens mount... Far far weaker, (see the inside, not outside)
G Master & Sony G Tele also has Metal Chassis Tube.
No matter how nice the camera is ... i believe sony ecosystem is not mature enough to make me say goodbye to Nikon. Nikon remain my baby...
Do you think autofocus would be faster with my 5d mark iii and canon 70-200 2.8 ii, canon 24-70 2.8 ii and canon 85 1.2ii or the a7r iii with these lenses adapted? Selling my Canon lenses and buying Sony g master lens equivalents might just be too expensive. I want eye tracking for portraits especially with the 85 1.2. Plus I really want a broader array of focus points to frame my shots.
Did it the first second it was offered on B&H just hope they do not mess it up. Still waiting for my Nikon D850 and I did the same thing with that camera to. Keep up all the great work as always.
I'm a sony A7rii shooter and prefer Sony over Canon/Nikon, but I have to say, I'm pretty disappointed with the A7Riii. It's too little an improvement for a camera releasing after 2/3 years of it's predecessor. No improvement in DR(as pointed by Tony). Same resolution, almost same video capabilities, same body, limited touch screen capability. I was hoping for a dramatic improvement in the Dynamic range, far better video capabilities, an increase in the resolution. Yes, The increased battery life and better FPS and improvement in the autofocus a good sign, but not enough for a 2-3 year's wait.
P. S. Before anyone of you comment that I should buy an A7sii or a video camera if I want better video features like 10bit 422, please note that it's not easy to travel solo, across the valleys and thought the cities with an extra gear along with 3 prime and 2 zoom lenses. Its not wrong to expect a machine which can do video and photo both.
They need to protect their 51Mp Medium Format Sensor.
Besides, the 42Mp still smokes Canikon, so no need to rush.
that makes no sense. they should rather sell their cameras with their sensors and kill the comp. either way they win.
RayValdezPhotography
Sony is a Top Tier Semiconductor Company, on different level with Traditional Camera Company like Canon, Fuji, Nikon, Hasselblad, etc. They actually rules the Camera Industry (just like The Godfather).
Only can rivalled by Samsung, which also Top Tier Semiconductor Company. Too bad Samsung pulling back from Consumer Camera Industry.
I am saying if they are selling sensors at special wholesale prices vs them making a sensor and camera body and selling them at retail. why wouldnt they do the latter as much as possible.. Also I know what Sony does but from what i understand they only do the sensors for the off brand cameras not the actually interior circuitry and software. Also the sensor you claim they are protecting is a medium format sensor for a camera type that very few people even buy.
I’d like a stiff sporty ride too Chels
looool was thinking the same thing
I swear she says stuff like that on purpose
Someone needs to auto tune this..with the hand motions lol
Someone needs to auto tune her..with the hand motions lol
LOL! I knew someone would comment the moment I heard the words!
I shoot professional ballet and need a quiet camera when backstage. Please comment on lag time when shooting your dancer. I have found more lag time in silent mode than in regular mode with the A7R2. Also a difference if I hold the shutter button half way, as this seem to reduce (eliminate) the lag time. Your experience with the R3?
Hi T&C. Thank you for the review. From your opinion why did Sony not make both slots USC2 compatible. Most if not everyone writes to both cards for redundancy. Thx.
The model is supposed to be more attractive than the photographer so when Chelsea is photographing a model everything seems messed up 😀
F1 Rocket Engine wtf are you talking about lol
I intent. I also think the same when Lara Jade shoots a lesser attractive model
Sony A7RIV with a forward facing touchscreen! 😕🙏
Wont happen, Vari angle/ front flip display is bad design,
They can block mic /hdmi/usb cables
steve blow
It wouldn't be hard at all to have a forward facing touchscreen and not block the USB, HDMI and Mic/Headphone slots. Just look at the Cannon DSLR's with a forward flip screen. People are as much if not more interested in this camera for its video recording.
D Jaquith
Well, maybe Sony have to make 2 variants
Seems to have been mastered by Panasonic, Olympus, and Canon.
As much as I would want this as well I doubt it will happen.. front facing articulating screens are mostly wanted and used by vloggers or highly video centric users. It looks as if Sony is targeting the pro photography market with the R line to compete with the Canon 5d and Nikon D850s (none of which have articulating screens as well).. Sony is already getting rid of in-camera novelty apps like play memories/panorama because these are features they believe aren’t as useful to say a wedding photographer or sports photographer, I mean I doubt these photographers are too keen on selfies and if self monitoring was the need they could go the route of a SmallHD and other much more capable mini monitors.. Maaaybe much more fitting for a Sony a7siii if anything given all the vloggers using it now and maybe to compete with the gh5.
Which camera was used for the Chelsea rooftop vid? Thanks and great vid
I am upgrading. Image quality hasn't been a concern for me with the Rii, but action and focus cost me a lot of time since I find myself dropping to jpg a lot, and as a consequence, I have a ton more shots to cull. Hoping I can stay in raw and get reasonable bursts and a higher likelihood of a keeper in once burst vice 5. Would be nice to only carry one spare battery instead of 4 or 5. The focus will be a big winner too. I never thought about in-camera rating before, but that is an interesting idea.
I am really hesitant to like the A7R3 and the A9 because of three reasons:
1) Handling: My D750 feels awesome in my hands. Yes, it doesnt have touchscreen or a decent joystick, but when shooting a wedding for 10-14h, the deep grip means everything! Even my D600 gets pretty uncomfortable because of the shallower grip. I dont think any Sony mirrorless would be suited for me on a long shoot.
2) Low ISO dynamic range: The A9 lacks DR at base ISO compared to the D750 when pushed and now the A7R3 also lacks DR at base ISO compared to the D850. I often don't have a choice to work with strobes or studio conditions, so every bit of DR counts. Because even when exposed correctly, harsh sunlight is a difficult task for every camera!
3) Slower 2nd card slot: I know, as a wedding photographer, no one thinks, you could ever run out of buffer. And I rarely do. But there are always some rare moments were you capture action and having a slower card that hinders your fast redundant shooting can be a huge pain then.
DSP 2) the difference is very, very slim between the D850 and the A7R3. I have a hard time believing it would make a bug difference in the real world.
3) The buffer on the D850 is only 21 frames writing to both card slots. So the A7R3 isnt inferior in that regard.
If you have large hands & use a Sony or Zeiss 70-200 you will get the knuckle scraping issue from the flange on the lenses.
So basically you like the d750 because it's the camera you actually have and don't have access you a a7rIII.... yet another reason not to use comments for purchasing advice. Your own limited experiences mean nothing when you haven't used these cameras.
I have a Nikon D750 and a Sony A9. While you are right about the grip of Nikon, you can still comfortably shoot Sony whole day ( I shot for three days in a row ) . Once you own it , you will either buy the battery grip or hold the lens instead of the camera body. The body is so light that yo will prefer to hold it by the lens. I worry about the grip only when I'm not shooting. When we are on the job, one hand will hold the lens if you are using a heavy G master and the other will hold the body
In fact you really do not need anything if you have a Nikon D750
The.EvF is the major thing over the d850. Honesty for sports/wildlife, I prefer the larger buffer of the D850 over the faster fps of this camera.
Good Free Photos i think one missing point ....sony dont have lossless compressed and 10 fps only cn when file is compressed or 12 bit or jpeg with uncompressed ot cn do 8 fps ....so d850 with grip 9fps even with lossless compressed and uncompressed
hmmmm, well this has a larger buffer too. No excuses.
If you want 9fps on the D850 you have to use EN-EL18b battery to achieve that frame rate BUT! you actually lower your buffer from 51 to 29 shots. And shooting to two cards on any setting lowers the buffer. onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/d850/en/19_technical_notes_06.html#buffer_capacity
it actually doesn't. It has 28 RAW buffer, the D850 has 51 RAW buffer. Its in the camera specs published by sony and nikon.
Here's the thing though, I'd rather have 7fps with 51 buffer rather than 10fps(or 8) with 28 buffer. The longer burst time is more important to me than FPS.
Tony is there a practical reason xqd is not in this camera? I don't get how their not using their own technology for the competitive advantage. I mean I want to move to mirrorless, but a 3 second buffer is a deal breaker
Tony not sure if anyone asked.. And I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.. The banding found on the a7rii in silent mode is it still present in the new iteration??
Nope, Nikon all the way. For Sports and wildlife, it's all about Glass. I simply don't see any pros with Sony!
Nikonuser today
Sony user tomorrow.
steve blow haha. Good one!
Comparing yourself to "the pros" is nonsense. Professionals are invested into one system way deeper than the average person, be it due to a large collection of glass, contracts with manufacturers or the perception that they can't miss a week of shooting to learn a new camera system. Looking at the situation without bias, it's pretty clear that for someone not invested in either system, buying a D850 or A7R III comes down to personal preference. Mirrorless cameras have been closing the gap consistently and are now very close to even the top DSLRs. The remaining problems like infrastructure and lens selection are a matter of time. Yes, buying a D850 today is still a good idea - for now. But at some point within the next 2-5 years we'll look at DSLRs vs mirrorless like we were comparing old nokia mobiles and smartphones. There's simply no reason to assume the old flippy mirror technology will hold up long term against the much more flexible mirrorless sytem.
Landscope 360: I totally agree with what your're saying. In a few years it's all going to be mirrorless, absolutely. I just bought the D850 to add to my D500 and D3s. I also have all the long glass associated with wildlife and sports photography( that's what I do). That said, I also believe that the D850 will be my last DSLR. All others should be mirrorless. I suspect Nikon will be moving to that in 2018. As far Pro/non Pro discussion. I would submit that if you do street, portrait or landscape, you're well served with a mirrorless camera. For sports and wildlife, a DSLR ( with the associated glass) is the best option at the moment. That's what should guide your purchase decisions. This weekend, all of us shooting wildlife will have either Nikon's or Canon's DSLRs. None of us will be pro's. It's simply because of the glass and the performance in these conditions. IMHO. Is the Sony A7RIii a good example of mirrorless catching up to DSLRs? Absolutely!
Nikonuser today would you say for night and astrophotography the mirrorless would be better or worst than something like the D850? Seems manual focus is ideal for stars.
I agree it’s just a matter of time before Nikon and cannon start making mirrorless pro bodies. I think Nikon and canon have it down on ergonomics and weather sealing. They have done it for so long. I think Nikon should upgrade to as large or larger mount vs Sony and canon to maximize future lens options. Canon did it in past and it paid off, perhaps start fresh on a new mirrorless. A lot easier to design lenses from an engineering standpoint I would imagine not having to worry about old film technology mounting limitations. Nikon is def king of wringing out the maximum from a mount designed in the 50s. That is pretty amazing. Time to remove the restrictor plate.
Only thing uglier than sony cameras are their color profiles.
Im thinking to get this camera instead of the Canon 5Dmk3 with adapter and Canon L glass is this a viable combination since Im sick of canons outright shitty cameras and I dont want to switch my whole lenspark.
Hi T & C,
I downloaded the raw files, and played around with them,
I noticed that some of them, have missed focused, is this due to taking fast shots on the fly in the event? or because the 42MP sensor?
is it something you noticed?
All the best,
Asa
It's a Sony ... so ... 'no thanks' ... and God forbid u should ever have to put it in for servicing / warranty ... Good Luck with that then ! ! !
Didn't Sony invent the XQD card?! Seriously 2 SD cards? It's almost 2018? Silent shooting... Rolling shutter?! Will it get hot in video? Plus if you have an A7Rii and want to upgrade. Who is going to buy it off You? Just my 2 cents . Better battery, and eye detection is all I can see. Well played Sony. 🙄
TMC Photography Cork
Sony invented the XQD, and will use XQD in near future.
They need to careful about utilizing new form factor cards, since they had lost the race with Memory Stick I & II.
Sony use Nikon as their Market Tester & Penetrators.
Sony has the SD cards that are 300mb/s read and write.
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1322908-REG/sony_sosd32gbuii_32gb_uhs_ii_sd_card.html
Hi Guys, any impression of the 24-105? Looks like an interesting lens if the quality is there.
Just a small question. Has any one tried these new cameras with older lenses - or only with the latest GMasters? Would seek your opinion on older lenses on newer cameras. And newer lenses on older cameras (old meaning some 2years only, not vintage). Or else it’s like re-hauling entire gear. And it’s not coming cheap. Thanks in advance for your invaluable insights.
Sony would be ok if you had little tiny hands, I need room, plus they just look odd with a big lens on that little tiny camera
Yeah, looking odd 'cause of a big lense on a small body is a huge disadvantage
You definitely dont understand IBIS & Pixelshift took advantages of Big Lens
#learnmore
Pixel shift doesn't even work in most cases because everything has to be absolutely still. Its useless for landscapes and wildlife. Its like Nikon's Focus stacking feature, useless unless everything(did you actually watch the video?) is perfectly still. Also IBIS isn't a huge deal since almost every zoom lens for Nikon has 4-5 stops of Image Stabilization built in to the lens and even with VR most Nikon Lenses are still cheaper than the Sony Counters and there's more options. AR73 is a fine camera but for right now, if I started with nothing, I'd get the Nikon D850 instead of A7R3.
*Wrong*
Pixelshift very powerful in Still Life Photography, its looks amazing on Pentax K1, in A7Riii even more promising.
Its almost comparable with 100Mp Medium Format IQ,
so dont mention the conventional D850. Not in the same class.
Yeah, still life doesn't move. You can also use focus stacking as well that the Nikon D850 has to achieve vastly better sharpness. Its pretty much useless for landscapes, wildlife, insects and stuff that moves, even a little bit. I was really excited about the focus stacking on the Nikon and this pixel shift thing, but as mentioned in the video, its not that useful for most people.
Not upset about the lack of flip screen?? That was a deal breaker with Canon, we carried on about that as if canon should go out of business based on that alone
It has a flip screen. What do you mean... It is just like the Mark 2.
Will Sony ever have a proper tilt shift lens? This is the only thing holding me back. Would love community feedback on this question.
Hey Am puzzled and I knida need advice on choosing a camera from an experienced person. Am new to the camera industry but grew up in a home where everyone loved cameras . Now I want t buy my own camera for CZcams videos and photography not professionally but as a hobby. Should I get a canon 80D ,Sony alpha A7r ll or lll. Do you have any recommendations? Because I want something I will enjoy and use in the next 5 years or so.