Sony A7R vs A7RV-- Has Image Quality ACTUALLY improved after 9 years?
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I came from the A77/A99 to the A7R3 and hadn’t really put much thought in to how mirrorless evolved from the early days. Great analysis video bro 👏
Same here I shot with the a57 and then the a99 during the last few years of my ownership of the a99 I picked up the original a7.
Just wanna acknowledge your time and hard work you put into making this video. We the viewers can sometimes take it for granted. Keep grinding Manny Ortiz!
Seriously - the overall quality and density of information provided in just 12 minutes is fantastic.
*Had to pause the video to comment* manny this is an amazing video on your part ! So unique it makes me reminisce of the golden age of CZcams , I’m so happy that you are making videos are that clearly filled with passion , thank you
First, in an age where true unabashed opinions are getting rarer and rarer-thank you. I have been a Canon (all Iterations of 5D) and now Fujifilm shooter (X-Ts 2-4), seeing your analysis was very interesting. You commentary is honest without being harsh, but also somewhat hopeful. You clearly enjoy Sony A camera line! Your photographic work is very lovely. Your b-roll is also very attractive almost sexy. Your fluorescent tube lighting is just awesome! I want to shoot like Manny Ortiz when I grow up! Please keep up your great work. More importantly though, please take time to enjoy yourself, your awesome wife, and your family. May you have a blessed Christmas and a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year!
Terrific video. Thank you for all the time and effort that went into producing it.
Appreciate the deep take and insight as I have been deciding an a new camera. Appreciate you Manny
Manny this is just a fresh take on the sony mirrorless... Loved it
Looking forward to see more of these
Wonderful video. Extremely well made and edited. And very informational. Thank you for the hard work
Love this, definitely have to agree with the jumps between the R-R3 made upgrading feel worthwhile. Still have my R3 and love the balance it has and the video is good enough for general use. Love love love your analysis of this and glad you parted ways in the Sony artisans program but sad I wasn’t able to meet you when doing my sales training for Sony while you were in it.
Damn, Manny. It's been a while since i stoped by your channel. Cant remember why it sliped but I promise to be better this year. And your vids are high quality and a great balance between inspiration and technichal focus. keep up the great work man
This video is spot on. I am still shooting with a D800E and I am ready to finally make the move to mirrorless. I don't expect much improvement in image quality of my still photos. The reasons to upgrade is mostly because of video and autofocus ability.
it's sony sensor in both, so..
@@izoyt image quality really has not changed for a long time
I switched from d800e to a7 classic and i happy. I used with Sigma 50 1.4 art and its af accuracy for static shot is better than d800e+nikon 50 1,8g.
I you will benefit from seeing live the image as you change settings you will go mirrorless. That alone had me switching in 2016.
I think, the biggest overall jump was the A7RIII. As you said, the image quality is still on par with the newest cameras. For me personally, it's still one of the best Sony cameras to buy in 2022. In terms of ISO performance, it's better than the A1. Stacked sensors always come with some downsides.
I still use the A7RI for my private landscape pictures and I still love, what this sensor is capable to produce. Also the JPGs have this really special look, that I still love.
The A7RIV was a step back in ISO performance, so it was directly out. It also felt a kind of slow. This camera came just to early after the RIII. All the nice new tech came after the release of the RIV. It always felt like someone just wants to put a 61mpix sensor in a body, even if the rest of the camera can't hold up to it. The A7RV feels completly different. It's not just the nice Af system.
What makes the A7RV special is also the new IBIS and the sRAW. These two things are the reason for me to upgrade from the RIII. I was able to handhold more than 1sec with a 50mm F1.2, thats such a huge jump for Sony. It's something the others said, it's not possible with the E-mount, but they proofed them wrong, again.
I'm still on my a7iii, I don't think I'll ever sell it.
@@jakeshootsstuff8187 Same here :) Got the a7r III and I will use it until it dies. And then probably try to repair it. The whole black color of the metal is already "scratched" away because of holding and wearing it on my body so much. :D
Same. I got a used A7R. Then I got an A7RII. Then I got an A7RIII. Then I kept the a7RIII. In my experience, it has the best image quality of all Sony sensors when it comes to dynamic range and low light. None of the newer A7R, A9 series, or the A1, quite match the A7RIII's performance for DR and low light.
With that said, image quality alone is not what made me upgrade from the A7RII. The bigger battery, faster operation and dual SD card did. Autofocus improvements didn't make me upgrade either, but they were nice to have.
@@wandererstraining I thought a7rII and a7rIII had IDENTICAL sensors, why are you saying that "image quality alone... " implying that a7rIII is somehow better in image quality?!
@@SuperDamny It is. They have the same sensor, but the electronics around it are different, and it gives the A7R3 a slight edge in signal to noise ratio. If you look at DPreview's studio comparison tool, you can see the difference at high ISO. Again, on its own, it's not worth the upgrade, but with the other upgrades that the A7R3 brought to the table, it was worth it for me.
Love this video! I currently rock with an a7rII...
The amount of work involved into making those videos is what i really appreciate. Cameras come and go and a faster camera does not always make a better photographer. Would love to see Sony cameras with Panasonic Lumix color science and better ergonomics. That would be a perfect camera. Thanks for this video!!
Great video as always Manny, thank you!
I like the perspective to look at the hardware! Very informative video! It stands out of the crowd.
You did a really good job on the video, very professional. Thanks for the overview of the A7R series, that is just what I was interested in.
thanks so much for all your efforts all those years. i am a professional photographer and you are the only photography content producer I regularly and consistently tune in for. 😀🙌🏽
An awesome video, as always. Switched from Canon to Sony and I don't regret it! Thank you, Manny, for sharing all your knowlegde with us! Cheers from Portugal!
Still got my a7R3, but the big improve for me with the newest cameras (i got the a74 to) is the AF. That's the first thing that make me upgrate my camera as wedding photographer. I also like the raw files sizes upgrade on A7R5 as it save a lot of space on storage. I agree with you that my A7R3 files are still good today, but i miss some af features. Anyway it still make the job for me...thanks for your great video.
I second this, I have the a7iv and A7Riii as well. I prefer the a7iv for the real time tracking autofocus and faster processor, but the image quality coming out of the a7riii is still the king.
Not a pro here but an enthusiast- I think the progress has been the tech around the camera progressing to the point where frequency of capturing a good image increases. I know when I started out, it was difficult to understand why my pictures were blurry etc and as I’ve progressed, I see how the current cameras “save” the picture if you know what I mean. Think low light, oss etc.
This is a video that the world wanted but didn't know they needed. Thanks bro @MannyOrtiz!
This was a really good watch, thank you!
Currently thinking of picking up an A7r iii but hesitant due to its age. Hearing you say it's the sweet spot is encouraging!
As always great video, great insights. Thanks.
You're reviews are amazing for cameras. I'm going to turn to your channel when I buy my new photography camera in the future.
I'm still impressed by the quality of the files from my A7R. I bought into the system as soon as it was released in 2013 and also have the R4 and the R5. Converted my R1 to infrared. With the Sony-Zeiss 35mm f/2.8, the R1 fits in a coat pocket.
People need to realize that unless you are a full time professional, you only need to put your bucks into some fat glass instead of upgrading every generation.
I'm still shooting with the same sensor from the A7Rii and A7Riii, in the A99ii. I'm happy if the actual image quality doesn't get any better, as I think the quality it produces is outstanding. I haven't upgraded yet because of cost and ergonomics, as the A99ii still feels so much better than the mirrorless, although the A7Rv is not bad at all (I have pretty big hands). We are well past the point of image quality, it's now down to everything else that goes into the process to make shooting better and easier.
Thank you Manny. Great comparison and visuals 🙂👌🏻
Still using and loving my A7R3. Thanks for the effort and the sharing. Thumbs up.
Wow, honestly beautiful cinematography. Excellent shots and b roll. You deserve a much larger audience. My only wish was for more in depth video comparisons.
I am a Canon shooter and always have been. I agree that image quality intact has not changed much since the onset of digital which I know a lot of people don’t like hearing but it is true. I own a Canon R5 and have done some work with it but I still find myself using my 2009 1D MKiii with only ten megapixels on Wedding’s and Quinceanera’s still today. The R5 is so good that it makes me feel disconnected from the process of photography and it makes my day dull and unsatisfying because it takes away all my thinking, if that makes sense.
Fantastic video I love the futuristic style and the dark vibe ❤ and the music is 🔥
Thank you for your effort to make your tests clear to the public
got the A7 & A7R2 when it launched… loved the 7R2 and used it for the next 7 yrs… finally upgraded to the 7R5
Thanks for this review. Please don't let us wait too long for in-depth image quality and AF review.
Manny great lighting in your videos!!! The A7R3 is still my go to for photoshoots!!!
Good video Manny, I always wondered about the basic image quality over the years.
When you think about it , the sensors still work in much the same way, just later models sensirs have some extra functions added on.
The main gripes for me on my trusty A73 have been pretty much the most common complaints with Sony mirrorless over the years i think.
The less than user friendly menu system.
The less than user friendly touch screen functionality .
And as mentioned the quality of the rear screen and maybe even the brightness in sunlight was pretty average.
The grip for me as I have large ish hands does feel a tad cramped between the lens and the grip , but not a deal breaker , as you adapt to these things.
Good to see sony finally addressing some of these issues in recent models.
As far as the body being almost unchanged for some years , that does have some good points , for example , a lot of accessories for the Sony A series have been interchangeable between models, so that is a good thing.
I still love my old A7.
i till now have seen many reviews on a7r5 but, thus far this review is the best ever i have seen.
gr8 review. luved it 😍 luv from india
Got the 7R II this year as my first camera, love the eye af for portraits, hope to make this hobby into a side hustle soon.
Wanted to say your videos looks great. Keep it up you got it.
Good commentary that I agree with, Manny. I sold my a1, made some coin and bought an a7r4a body - happy as can be! Keep up the good work...
hell yeah Manny! thank you for this video. I have the a7r v and have had buyers remorse since I got it. although it's very nice and the tilt screen is great, despite quality of it, I think I'm gonna return it and stick with my a9 ii and a7r iii. I was coming from a Nikon Z6 to Sony and these two cameras are far greater than I will ever need. I appreciate you taking the time to make this video. I hope to see Sony upgrade their newer models that are worth the extra cost as far as lcd screens and stacked sensors.
Great video Manny 🥰
I agree that glass>bodies so pick your body based on who has the glass you plan to get, or already have. Rather than just making BSI more common in all tiers of bodies, for me at least, a jump in low light performance is the thing that would make me think about a body update, even if the MP count dropped down to the original R's 36.
I mean the regular a7IV has a 33mp sensor, so that’s always an option if you want higher MP than normal 24 mp cameras and better lowlight system tHan the 60mp A7RV.
@Rebel Hikes: having jumped from A7M2 I am not bothered all that much by the articulating screen. It is certainly more useful when paired with a battery grip. Does it take slightly more effort to start using? Yes. But it also helps me take better pictures and stabilize the camera better. Luckily, it seems like we can have the best of both worlds now. I hope Sony will only use the hybrid hinge setup from now.
Very true. I just picked up an A7R2 in 2022 because it has everything I need for a fraction of the price of the newer models. There is a lot of new tech happening in the camera space, and a lot of it is great, but so much of it is just vanity specs to sell more cameras to people who already own cameras, just like the cell phone industry. Aside from bragging rights, most of it has no real world application for the majority of people buying them.
I bought my A7R2 in 2020. Sure the auto focus could be quicker but honestly the camera is great. Nothing massively appealed to me from an upgrade prospective and I don't think there is anything close in price to performance. The only thing it's been missing is the swivel screen...that Ive really been looking forward to. But will spend almost 3 times what I bought my A7R2 for, nope. A7R2 for the win.
I agree...my a7r2 is a BEAST...I use it all the time and never want to upgrade because it produces such beautiful photos...yea everything is faster these days but the r2 just gets the job done
I totally agree with you. I have the A7Rii as well, for landscape photography I don’t see the point of upgrading 🤷♂️ sure it’s slow but the image quality is still 🤯…
When I upgraded from the A7Rii to the A7Riii it was the faster buffering and faster focusing that won me over. It was so good I have not thought of upgrading since the A7Riii came out and I usually upgraded about every two years.
Just glad to see you drive a MK 7!
I get new camera envy often but when I delve into it, hard to replace my a9 as my do everything camera. Nothing blows it away yet in my opinion.
Agreed. The A9 is a workhorse.
@Rebel Hikeswasn't early but picked mine up used as an upgrade from A7 ii, that felt like a tue upgrade.
Thanks for this video on the history of the Sony A7R line-up. I began my Sony journey with the A7R III after watching your live stream at the time. A friend of mine had the original Sony A7R while i was on the Canon 5D Mark III. Never had i thought, at the time, that i will be switching from the DSLR workhorse to a tiny mirrorless system. But it turned out to be a really joyful journey and lovely system - A7RIII, A7RIV, A7SIII, A7IV and now the A7RV have all been (some still are) lovely cameras i like to pick up and shoot with. Paired with some nice Sony glas i enjoy it thoroughly. Had a glance at the Canon EOS R and R5 in between but stuck with Sony in the end, happily. You mention some good point for future improvement i.e. speed (fps photo mode A7R line-up), LCD quality and maybe still some consistent and refinement of the menu system which is always a bit cumbersome to me.
Thanks Manny. I've been looking for a comparison between the A7RV and the A7RIII. All the comparison videos compare the A7RV to the A7RIV. This has been very helpful. I think I'll stick with my A7RIII for now.
Awesome video and very well done. Thank you :)
Thank you for your thorough review and comparison. I am an amateur landscape photographer making my jump from apsc to FF. I was debating between a7Rii vs a7riii but after seeing your video I feel confident about Rii even though it is quiet old now because they both share the same sensor and I don’t care much about the autofocus anyway . Also one thing I would like to highlight is that some people might consider A7riii as a bigger jump in the R lineup is because of the pixel shift technology giving very high res images
Than you! That was really interesting.
Thank you for this video. This has helped me make a decision. You have saved me money dude!
very informative loved it
Great video. This was very useful.
Great video!
Very interesting video. Obviously our minds think similarly. I was looking for an answer to this very question. Thanks for sharing your insights and evaluations.
Great video Manny. Well done, they are always interesting to watch :) I had the A7r IV for two years..although being a great camera with very good lenses, I was not always happy with the results. A bit to clean and "sterile"..or..technical images for my taste. Having good experience with the 5dsr (although it was really bad in low light) I changed to the Canon R5. Noticed the difference right away. Colors and rendering and overall feel of it. Looking forward to the R5 2 when it eventually comes out. I also see the A7r V has improved in the color science and thats a good thing.
i have an a6000, and it blows my mind how a so affordable and old camera can take amazing photos with a good lens
Great video Manny!
Well stated.. well deeply descried.. well done video Manny 👍🏻
Great vid Manny
Great Manny! It’s clear you did a lot of work and it shows! Fact-filled and lots of specs that make the comparisons relevant and easy to discern IQ differences, er, or not. Thank you for all of your wonderfully fact filled, beautifully shot vlogs, Manny. I learn something great every-time!
Good preview. Thx 👍
I have exactly the same opinion. I never cease to be amazed by the words of the ambassadors, who describe older versions as semi-professional or amateur, while three years ago they praised it as a great professional camera :-). I still have an A7r ii and iii foir my work. After trying the fourth generation, I didn't notice much of a shift and didn't feel the need to change. I'd rather save the money and get better glass
What would you suggest to enter full frame (on budget) for photography mostly, not video .. A7Rii or better go for Riii? Was also thinking about 7ii or 7iii (not R) series.
@@dasIDS a7rii is really good option, when you want also use crop mode or need really high resolution. You will need more batteries and shoot lowlight on high iso on crop mode. A7iii is for the beginers perfect and you can buy used for low price (probably best choice for you). a7ii is too AF slow..
@@jamesssten TY!
Still rocking the a7r2 since I haven't seen a camera that's given a fundamental leap in quality to be worth upgrading since the 2. The handling and battery improvements in the newer cameras are nice, but not THOUSANDS of dollars nicer, especially since I don't regularly shoot weddings or videos anymore (I can always rent for the few times I do)
Same here! I have found NO reason to upgrade from my A7RII. Paired with my 24mm GMaster, I’ve gotten some of the most stunning images
Excellent video 🎉
Great comparison video, Manny!
I'm considering the A7RV in large measure because of the significantly improved IBIS and AF, plus other evolutionary tweaks to the user experience such as the new 4-axis LCD mechanism and viewfinder. My hesitancy about the A7RV is its price (too high). I also have the A7RII, A7IV and A7III. The A7RV would give me additional resolution which is desirable to me, including for cropping purposes. The A7RV would extend the range of sensor resolutions I currently have.
That's a nice eye-opening video
A truely frank review! Thanks!
This is a very useful video for me. More than useful. I have an Riii and an a9ii for photo and the A7siii for video. I am now making wedding videos and hope to make it a business. I'm considering selling the photo cameras and buying a RV so I can avoid buying a second video camera. But I love those cameras! Thanks for helping me with so many decisions.
thank you so much, i was contemplating to upgrade to a7r3 or a7m3. thanks to your advice i probably go a7r3 next year
Nice. I am still using the original A7R (with Minolta lenses and manual lenses) and the NEX7 APSC mainly for macro.
Low light capibility between the two. Which one better.
Great content 🔥🔥🔥
I've had three of these cameras and the differences would be more obvious to you if ya shot outside the studio or beyond portraits. The way in which they became more multifaceted for multimedia purposes is quite obvious put him on a gimbal or shoulder rig or shooting fashion runway, festivals nightclubs etc.
I now have the A7RV, guys and the difference is absolutely obvious if you're a video shooter or run n gum photog, shooting live events or doing journalism it is way more reliable than the A7IV
amazing video... ,i am thinking of buying a7r "as a beginner" or a7r ii , my previous camera was lumix gx1, does it worth between a7r and a7r ii if a7r ii is double the price of a7r i , the a7r is for 10k or less while the a7r ii is 18k or more so.. does it worth ?
I've been following you on CZcams since your canon days in 2017. Then you made the switch to Sony and made me get the a7rii which I still have. Would you ever go APSC for video as the FX30 seems to be very capable doing what full frame cameras can and also being very consumer friendly?
Perfect timing on this video I have the A7R I wanted to retire it and get the 4 but I’ll go for the 3
Awesome video man. I feel like we all get caught up in having the latest and greatest even though what we currently have is more than enough. This is coming from someone who just upgraded from the Sony A7Riii to the A7RV. I really agree with you that aside from a few upgrades when it comes to images they are all still very good.
Hi Manny. Great video. Long time subscriber here. What is thoughts on buying either an A1 or A7RV? I can get a used A1 for around $4800. Thanks.
I bought A7R3 a few months ago and I am very happy. Excellent camera at a good price. In addition, it is still under warranty
Great work bro.
Love your videos mate ! Completely agree with you . Low light performance improvement is what we need. Stop the megapixel race ! Is that what we are going to see? Not sure TBH. I’ve been waiting for so long for that to happen instead of always more megapixels with same ISO performance.
A want ya life bro ya killing it 🙏🏻
Really appreciate seeing a review of the Sony line of cameras that isn't just trying to shill the latest newest most expensive camera. I agree with a lot of other people that I feel like there was a significant upgrade between the II and the III though I can't 100% put my finger on it. It may simply be the color processing that improved. I just got the IV but haven't shot with it yet but honestly am not expecting too much. I totally agree that its a shame that smartphone quality screens aren't being put on the backs of these cameras. Ultimately, I've found the biggest improvement to my photography since starting with the Sony a7 has been getting better glass and using primes when possible
Great Video I owe the 7R 3 since it came out and was looking at the 7R 5 didn't really see the need to upgrade 7R 4 when it first came out. Still looking at the 7R 5
Dope video concept definitely think sony has been ahead of the game with there mirrorless tech.
Thanks for making the video. Personally Im about a year away from upgrading from my A7s and A7ii and I am at wits end trying to decide what camera I should go for. Im still a rookie photographer so I need to justify and research my next purchase heavily. But rn I think because of its full HDMI port, video recording with no time cap, and large MP count, 1obit video and picture, I can go pretty safely with an A7Rv. Thanks for the video
Great vid!
This is why I'm still rocking the A7III. It does everything i need it to do
Bro your quality on this is 🔥🔥🔥💯
Brilliant Manny, you made the point I have been thinking for a long time..for me the sensor hasnt been the most important item, its always the AF and thats why I went to the A9. Anyways, great Video and well put together. I wish the A9 had that all angle LCD screen and higher quality..Personally I think at Present the A9 is the best used camera around at a reasonable price. Regards.
I just came back from a trip to Bangladesh. Shot everything with a Fujifilm x-t20 and x100f (for a book and expo) and left my Sony A74 and A73 at home. My clients haven't noticed it at all ;-)
Great video. I'm happy with the image quality from my A7II which has everything I need. I don't shoot videos, and I've decided to resist the temptation to upgrade, and instead to concentrate on improving my photography skills. Try to ignore the GAS folks.
Same for me. I don`t shoot video, so the A7II is great. I`ve considered upgrading to the A7III, because the lack of the joystick and the sometimes a little bit fiddly autofocus bother me, but its over three times the price of my A7II (payed 400€ for it).
I’m still shooting the A7Rii for my purposes it’s perfect only thing I wish I had was touch screen
Awesome video 📷
Nice comparison Manny. Happy Holidays to you and your lovely wife.
I finally upgraded to the a7iv from the a7iii and found that hard to justify based on my requirements which fall primarily into photography,. I couldn't justify the price of the a7rv nor do i need all those megapixels, or AI autofocus. Coming from the time when I had to manually move the focus point , I mean how much help do people really need autofocusing??? Great video, I've been watching and learning from you for a very long time, you are and continue to be an inspiration to us all. Thank you!
I need all the AF I can get!
Really great video. Thank you for the hard work comparing all those cameras in the R lineup !
I have the a7R III since 2021,I love it, and I don't think I'll buy a newer body before 2027. I think glass impact more IQ than bodies nowadays.
I started with the A7Rii. Amazing. Then got the A7Riii. Totally happy. I got a A7 converted to infrared and was surprised how great that camera was.