FELLOW TRAVELERS EP7 REACTION - This show has officially destroyed me 😭💔
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Goooooood evening CZcams family,
I've worked hard over the weekend to bring you this latest episode of Fellow Travelers as soon as possible and MY GOD what an episode it was. This show has been really tough to watch from the get go and this episode finally broke me... 😭
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The way Hawk says „let me die“ made me cry so much. I am a mom myself and it’s just not right for parents to bury their children. It’s just not the right order…. 💔
I was sobbing uncontrollably! I’m a mom of a 10yo boy… can’t even try to imagine that pain!
@@giuliadenobili5334 Same. My sons are four and eleven. Couldn’t even imagine that pain…. 😔
I completely agree. I would die if my son died before me, no question. No mother should have to bury her son or daughter.
I feel like I’ve cried every episode. This one was absolutely beyond brilliant in understanding how grief impacts individuals and communities.
I think when Tim decides to do drugs with Hawk he’s super mad with him, he doesn’t give a shit about the toy boy, he knows there’s nothing there, he knows Hawk loves him, but he’s mad because he can’t get through to him. But he realises that Hawk is actually trying to kill himself, there’s nothing he can say to make him care about himself and his own safety. But he knows Hawk loves him and he would hate himself for dragging Tim into it. He is willingly following Hawk to his rock bottom a- to show him what it looks like, to have Hawk see himself in Tim b- to show him that he’s with him no matter what, that he’s not actually alone. I think Hawk pushes him so so much beyond any sane behaviour to see how far Tom’s willing to go for him because he doesn’t feel deserving of love in this moment but to actually see Tim follow him so low is a tangible proof of that love and he needs that love so desperately so he asks for more and more… it’s like when people push you away because they want you to actually chase after them. It’s stupid and childish but when you are at your lowest you don’t think straight
This is one of the most powerful and beautifully acted gay themed dramas I’ve ever seen. I loved your reaction on Patrion I live what you do. Your reactions always enrich my viewing experience.
Director: So we need you to make Matt look 10 years older in the 1970s.
Makeup artist: You might as well ask me to turn water into wine.
Hawk's breakdown is even harder to watch when you remember Matt Bomer has three sons, all between the age Jackson was in the last episode and the age he was when he died. That's been the only moment in the show so far where I actually had to close my eyes.
I think that not only is that the first time he’s really felt the grief over his son… it’s probably the first time he’s really fully felt anything
I am absolutely hooked on Fellow Travelers. So in love with beautiful Matt Bomer and Jonathan Bailey and their characters Tim (Skippy) and Hawk. Such a beautiful love story that took place during the Historical gay era in America. Tim, without realizing it, was always the love, comfort and strength that kept Hawk together...no matter what 🥰❤️. Even when Hawk felt loss during this episode, Tim came to the rescue...helping him to see how he was destroyng himself with alcohol, drugs and lifestyle. Helping Hawk to deal with the death of his Son and to realize that his wife and daughter love and need him. 🥰❤️
I can’t wait to see the reaction to the finale 😭💔
His is the most touching episode in that hawk really shares an emotional scene with Tim that really shows the love that they have for each other. Hawk has never really shown that much emotion to anyone except for Tim. That really made me breakdown and cry for a long time. I also cried this morning when I went on out magazines website and saw a story about Jonathan Bailey. In an interview he gave to The Standard he related when he was at a Human Rights Campaign in Washington D. C. He went into a coffee shop the morning after wearing a cap from the human rights campaign. A man took the cap from his head and threw it across the room. He said "Get out of this fucking coffee shop you queer." Jonathan got the cap and put it on his head. The man said "If you don't take that cap off, I'm gonna fucking shoot you. Where I'm from people like me kill people like you." A girl took out her phone and said "I'm recording this message. I think you are welcome in this country. And what you're saying is appalling." The man left. To see this really made me cry. To read that this happened really brought home to me that threats like this happen everyday to anyone. No wonder people like hawk and Tim didn't want to came out as well as people today.
Preface: I'm a pansexual but mostly gay man going through Ep5 right now - being in love with someone unattainable who's got a gf. I grieved a lot through watching this series and it's THE best thing I've watched in a long while. Haven't shed a single tear for 5 years or so, even through losing someone important, and finally it let my dam break and I cried idk how many times in the past two weeks.
I binged your reactions only today while watching some of the others along watching the episodes - I like your takes the most. It's not that I don't enjoy other channels like A Story Worth Telling and Luke Hodgson (check them out folks!) - i'm just collecting FT reactions at this point - but you show the most emotional maturity and the things you have to say about the situations show us you're a very genuine person. Thank you for making these!
There is a great documentary called The Times of Harvey Milk (1984) that I highly recommend. There is also the 2008 feature film called Milk which is quite good, too. This episode used several clips of actual news footage from the Milk/Moscone assassinations and aftermath. FYI--Fire Island is a gay resort area outside of New York City.
I also learned recently that fire Island, as a resort, still exists to this day which was kinda surprising tbh... But yeah it's absolutely still running and pretty much has the same vibes as back then... Drug and orgy filled parties, basically...from what others in the community have told me about it... I'm a lesbian in my late twenties... There aren't really resorts in the same vein for the lesbian community or at least not ones as well known as fire Island. 🤷♀️ I had definitely heard of the resort before... but I did not know it was still running in current day.
With references to "Milk" For people in the UK who may not be aware of this part of American history, it was written by Dustin Lance Black (Oscar winner) and husband of Tom Daley the UK Diver.
The Times of Harvey Milk is stunning. Everyone should see it.
Also Add in “When We Rise”
I agree with you. We definitely need a community embrace after this episode! Matt Bomer’s portrayal of Hawk’s grief was so authentic and raw that it took my breath away. What a wonderful actor he is!!! Every time I watch this episode I go through a rollercoaster of emotions & I notice something new every time! I can’t stop talking about this show & it’s been so good to be able to come here to see your thoughts on it too
I always think about the fact that Matt is a dad to teenaged boys... That cant of been an easy scene to shoot
I finished today episode 8 at the end i was a mess 😭
This is one of the best things I've ever seen. It's truly a landmark in gay drama.
This episode has Sylvester singing “Make me feel mighty real” twice. In a video he is shown wearing a sequined dress in the colors of the original Pride flag from 1978. He died from AIDS in 1988. You may hate the drug culture, but I can tell you just how prevalent it was back then, from college campuses to Wall Street. It was so very common and you really didn’t worry what was bootlegged or what something was cut with. There was absinthe as in the green drink by the pool, poppers as Hawk has in the bathroom, cocaine, THC, pot, hash, mushrooms, red birds or Seconal which Craig speaks about and we’re downers, black birds or ups, quaaludes, and then LSD or acid and heavy stuff like heroin where you could actually go to work and seem normal. Like Tim says you don’t know what causes addiction.
After 7 episode crying for Tim. I cry for Hawk this time..
THere are some very good videos on here about the White Night Riots. The woman getting the pie in her face is Anita Bryant, a conservative spokesperson for the "Save Our Children" crusade which promoted firing gay teachers across the U.S. (similar to what Sec 28 was in the UK but never passed nationwide) which is one reason why Marcus can't come out at his school. IF we get another season, I really want to see more female focused stories.
Thanks for sharing your experience and being so insightful and open. I’m looking forward to your critique of the finale. I hope you might consider a segment or two following the formal ending to just process and explore what people took away from the show and having this community conversation.
I can’t wait for your finale reaction. Your reviews have been great. And you weren’t too judgy to Hawk inspite of his flaws. ❤️❤️
This show made the best decision posting one episode a week I was struggling after each episode and the fact in this episode late 70s hiv/aids wasn't fully known yet being the year it was there was definitely hiv positive men in the mid to late 70s so the odds skippy has hiv or contacted it around this time adds more to this episode and hawk hasn't hiv astounds me
Along the way, when this series is over it would be interesting to hear your reviews of "Prayers for Bobby" 2009. It is a truth based drama of a mother conflict with religion and how it changed the course of her life after a tragic event.
It is not talked of much these days but it has a very intense and thought provoking powerful message.
I agree that they could have aged Hawk more. Though in this episode he is about 10 years older than Bomer is irl, and I guess he technically does look it. Still, maybe some more grey hair would have helped sell it more.
I actually really like the conversation about terms. Whats so interesting is there really isn't any wrong answer, it's all about what you yourself like. For myself I have always liked homosexual. To me its no more different then using the term Homo sapiens sapiens to describes modern humans (well humans over the last 160,000 years or so, though many will use the technically incorrect Homo sapiens which is actually the version of humans existed pre that last date). And in the 70's gay was very commonly used, but I heard gay first being used to describe a person as light hearted or carefree, and thats never been me. And queer just never felt correct for me (I have certainly been told over nearly 45 plus years after I came out that I should be more gay). But unless someone is actually using the terms that I don't prefer deliberately as a means to insult, it doesn't bother me in anyway.
But ti jus highlights that no matter the time period, there is never going to be one term fits everyone, and that what works great for many, may not be what some other prefer.
Jonathan Bailey's performance here is the only reason i've considered watching Bridgerton.
As an older Ace, I use Queer to refer to myself. Probably because I didn't grow up with Queer being a such a slur. I guess I was lucky. Lucky or privileged. Being a white woman from the midwest had its benefits. 🤷♀️
Harvey Milk operated a store that featured photographic items. His store was in the Castro district. The Gay Ghetto.
I’m so mad about the finale. I feel like it needed to be two hours long or we should have a 9th episode… I can’t believe the series is over 😩
Why are you mad? I thought it was beautiful.
I'm going to miss Tim and Hawk💕
"Are you mad (high) Clarise?" Jk. I know what you mean. One additional episode to highlight their lives through the 60's & 70's would have been nice, and make E8 feel less compacted. It is what it is. I felt the same way when they ended Sense8 abruptly, Travelers starring Eric McCormick, Colony with Josh Holloway, and the list goes on. It appears that the really good heady shows that address and reflect legitimate societal concerns be it civil liberties, looming fascism, and the like, get axed fairly quickly vs the mediocre ones that pander to the masses. They get 6 and 8 seasons. It all comes down to $$$. FT was great! Good writing and production is the exception not the rule. Peace
Thanks!
Thank you so much ❤️
I can't see you crying... Hugs!!!!! This episode destroyed me... all this show is destroying me
Homo/transphobic people might think someone who dresses like Frankie would not be tough, but it takes the toughest human to be able to be their authentic self. And to be frank, you never want to fight a person like that, because you bet they can hold their own. As Frankie put it, they can defend themselves. They have had to their whole lives. I think Marcus just became the man Frankie needs him to be in this episode. When he protects his student, I just lost it. I was done. I sort of wanted a whole show about them instead.
This was the hardest episode for me to get through
The reappropriation of items by the community is a thing with a long tradition & is constantly evolving and changing. If you end up not being able to find your book on Harvey Milk, there's also always the movie "Milk" (2008) & the original "Tales of the City" TV trilogy (a fourth chapter added recently) is a good snap shot of San Francisco during that era (based on the series of books, which, I never got around to reading). When I came out in the 90's, gay had become the society norm term (although it was also used as a derogatory term also). Queer was just starting to become the newly appropriated term for our community, "Queer art" & "Queer Cinema" being the context I heard it used the most at first. Looking further back at history, the pink triangle which is one of our symbols of gay pride was an appropriation of the gay community. In Nazi Germany, just as Jewish houses were marked with the blue star of david, so homosexual houses were marked with a pink triangle so the troops knew which door to break down & drag the residents to concentration camps. If you wanted to look into that further, there's of course "Cabaret", the image at the end of the movie where half the patrons in the club wear Nazi uniforms is a terrible stab in the heart as to what is about to happen to the characters we've met in the story so far. There are also many doco's about it on youtube.
Tales of the City is a nine-volume series of novels by Armistead Maupin, stretching from the late 70s past the millenium. While the first three TV adaptations (esp #1) are very good, nothing compares to reading the books. In a just world, Maupin's chronicle of San Francisco would be recognized as a home-grown Jane Austen + Charles Dickens.
First time I cry with a Fellow Travelers episode...It's soooo good!!!
Me too! I’ve been close a few times but woof this episode I was gone.
@@JackieRossLavender Congrats for the channel! Thanks to your reactions I feel like I am part of a community of fellow viewers! None of my friends is watching the series.
🙌👏🎉💕
I'm looking forward to watching your reaction EP8. so much. Please.......
It’ll be up at some point… but right now I’m enjoying the holidays with my family
Big thank for that. and Have a big holidays with your family...@@JackieRossLavender
I'm afraid for the last episode💔
ME TOO 😭
Glad you’re reading up on queer. I’m looking forward to what you’ll be putting together it. A couple of recommendations for your TBR pile: “The Great Believers” by Rebecca Makkah, “Times Square Red, Times Square Blue” by Samuel R. Delany, and “Cruising Utopia” by José Esteban Muñoz. 👍🏽📖📚
On a side note, a lot of Gen X loves the term queer because of the activism of Queer Nation and ACT UP in the ‘90s.
So many things I agree with you Jackie on this series but...we stray apart on Hawk's character and his aging makeup. I thought the makeup was brilliant. As for our differing on the character there's just too much for me to say in this space. Love your spot on reactions!
You should read or listen to “Fire Island: A Century in the Life of an American Paradise” by Jack Parlett! 🏳️🌈📖📚
I might be late but one thing i don't get about Hawk laughing at Tim's boyfriend being a poet. What is funny about that and knowing that his son was also writting poems?
Anybody has a clue? 🤔🤔🤔
P.S. For those of us of a certain generation, Fire Island was indeed the gay mecca of our dreams. If you were a gay man in America in the sixties through the nineties, it was simply THE playground you had to go to, a place that never failed to live up to its scandalous reputation - it was a rite of passage. It's toned down a bit since my heyday, but it's still pretty wild. It's depiction in "FT" is quite accurate. They did their "research" well.
Jackie did you not watch the final episode of FT?
Hey - I absolutely did and it's been on Patreon for about 10 days now. However, I have been enjoying the holidays with my other half so can't promise when it'll make its way to CZcams ♥
Rewatching 4/4/24
React to the movie, Milk
It’s on my list but it’ll be very unlikely it’ll come to CZcams unfortunately.
Such a toxic episode
Thanks!