cEDH PLAYERS TRY CASUAL WITH MANACURVES - SISAY vs GLISSA vs VILIS vs XYRIS - PLAY TO WIN GAMEPLAY
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2024
- This week we're joined by Chase to play some casual commander!
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"I'm glad I'm dead! Fuck this!" Should ABSOLUTELY be on one of your shirts, guys
Would buy
Def make some sleeves of that..
Lot's of revealing Tetzimoc on other people's turn. The 2-hour long game debuff is real lol.
"Activate this ability only during your turn."
READING THE CARD SURE DOES EXPLAIN THE CARD GOOD CATCH
Came here to say the same!
I was like, wow, that's kinda interesting, then I read the card, lol
Caught this also. I do really wish they hadn't put that clause on Tetzimoc though. I think he'd see a lot more play if that was the case.
I feel like chase learned a lesson about cedh players and rhystic haha
PAY THE ONE FOREVER
Yeah i got the sense chase rarely encounters such upstanding tax paying citizens in casual. the rapid response to sisay also seemed like a cEDH reflex :)
If you dont just pay the one, youre playing against it wrong.
They still drew a non insignificant amount of cards though!
@@tmain1320 oh absolutely. they were just probably expecting to draw twice as many haha
good job to you for editing a 30 minutes long video from a 2 hours long casual game!
“Is this what everyone else’s casual games look like”
Pretty much!
yup, few target removal, tons of boardwipes each round.
Casual has 2 options: all the removal or battle cruiser magic where the game ends and everyone wonders why they don’t run more board wipes
It's a cycle that eventually leads to cEDH. If you run creatures, people can run some spot removal to handle it. Spot removal is much cheaper mana wise, so you end up on top. People then create synergy with their creatures to compensate, eventually outpacing the removal that tends to lack synergy. The removal then becomes boardwipes.
3-4 mana to remove 10+ creatures isn't a rate that anyone playing creatures can keep up with. Creatures have three options. A. build up mana and carddraw until you can actually beat the insane efficiency of the boardwipes. This leads to metas were people wait until turn 5+ to even play combat damage based creatures. B. outpace socery speed boardwipes. This is using haste and/or combos to kill someone before their turn starts, therefore making counterspells and instant speed removal the only viable counterplay. This is closing in on cEDH at this point.
Or C. you get rid of creatures and focus on alternate wincons. This is where combos become the main win condition, and at that point, it becomes a contest to see how quickly you can get to the win. The fastest wins rise to the top along with specific counterplay to those combos. This is cEDH at its core along with a few oddities that evolve out of the meta specific requirements of the format.
Boardwipes, imo, make casual games impossible since they make removal too easy, so there's no point in even building up a board until you can kill everyone, devolving the game into combo. Depth comes from the interaction with combo afterwards.
Pretty cool how all the secret lair cards make a decent deck! One thing I saw for Dylan's Tetzomac(?), you can only activate it on your turn
YES THATS AN OOPSIE ON ME
@@PlaytoWinMTG Very familiar with the oopsies, I make them everyday 🤣
You are not alone, this is what most casual games devolve into from my experience: everyone struggling to get a foothold on the board
Grass is always greener on the other side. I'd rather see people struggle to develop the board than everyone have 30 creatures and durdle
@@zweis I’d rather get more than 2-3 games in an evening. If no one has a board then no one is winning, except through combo which is generally frowned on in casual play. Board wipe hell is definitely a thing.
@@ERGOPROXY. Believe me when everyone is casting a creature each turn and passing until someone draws an overrun it takes just as long as board wipe hell
@@zweis I think we may have different versions of the word “casual”. That’s straight up battlecruiser EDH. Casual spans the breadth of precon to high powered, only not including cEDH level gameplay.
That said, we can probably agree that there are multiple versions of casual hell to fall into, and they all suck.
@@ERGOPROXY. I think we have the same definition but the people at my LGS believe removal and counter spells are "mean spirited".
That might just be cap tho so they force me to play more removal so they can play more engine
the only casual edh i like is building non cedh commanders w cedh standards. Someone in my pod has an azusa deck that has like 4 game winning combos. I have a narset deck that wins on swing. very fun way to play the game, and you never have to worry about games lasting hours.
Dylan going on a rant over what he should have done in a casual game and then realizing it would've saved him is just *chef's kiss*
Truly a perfect representation of every time I play casual
13:47 - Everyone missed Tyler’s impact tremors and Purphy triggers from casting and resolving his Commander here which would have resulted in Dylan’s death that turn with the rest of that turns actions. 👀
But gg! Love to see Mana Curves and casual Commander is awesome! It’s funny to see y’all not know cards that do come up in casual like Michiko.
tetzimoc ability only on your turn amigo. not any other time.., fun game though. love casual decks like these.
*looks at timestamp before the title” holy shit this has to be an insane game. Oh wait nope just a regular game. Never sad to see twice as much of my fave players and Chase was a DELIGHT!
Love seeing Chase on the channel, and would love to see them again. Also good to see a relatively even and highly interactive game despite being "casual." Awesome content.
Fun game! It's fun to see casual and what people bring to the table. :)
Thanks!
@@PlaytoWinMTG What are your rules about what cards you can and cant play?
YESSSS!
I love watching your content, but I'm a casual player.
Always so happy to see these games get posted.
Two of my absolute favorite decks are inspired by your casual gameplay vids.
Gisa and Geralf + Glissa, the Traitor.
Seeing those decks play, I thought
"that looks really good...I shoulda got that. GIMME DAT!
I'm Jokin' - I'm JOKIN'."
Future Dylan: I could have gain 34 but it's casual
*Gets dealt 7 for lethal*
Future Dylan: 😑
Also, IMO you should still play to win in casual. The difference ought to be in deckbuilding, not gameplay.
Manacurves is such a fantastic name for an MTG channel you go, chase. I appreciate you guys constantly introducing me to new
Magic creators, I'll check their channel out.
Hey Dylan, I have noticed you pull out some binders in the podcasts and like them quite a bit. What brand are they?
Always so fun to see you play casual and amazing to see Chase on here
"i only play 4 of each basic" so 20 basic lands in a 5 color deck?? Sounds painfull to play with
also that implies equal proportions of mana in wubrg ! that's nutso
might lose a few points on consistancy sure; she did seem stoked for the Yavimaya lmao. But the pips seem fine see all the 3 mana mono color single pip spells reach cultivate, beast within generous gift, rhystic study.
On the second trigger of Phyrexian Scriptures, when Cam drew a card in response to the trigger, Xyris should have triggered
The line Dylan would have proposed would of hurt him more then helped because for every life he gained and card he drew Tyler would have gotten another snake. Also Tyler missed 4 Xyris Triggers when Dylan played the demon card that drew him 4 cards. However great game very fun to watch.
Love the music choices throughout the game!
Plenty of missed triggers. Sure Its par for the course with lots of game actions over 2 hours.
But 21:40 and some other moments Chase gets some free additional land drops. 😂
Haha... Love to get 2 lands each turn!!!
New to cedh and I have learned a lot from your content. Thanks yall!
All I’ll say, the secret lair thing is cool, but I look at that board and have no idea what any of those cards are when usually I can just see the art and know lol
"Powerfullness of Villis"
Is like Cam's version of Lil' John repeating the last word of every rap song. 😂
Cam getting excited about the spire garden coming in tapped had me dying
Chase’s Stolas playmat is absolutely serving and making my whole body happy to see my fav character from Helluva Boss rocking it in some magic 😂
My friends and I all play an appropriate amount of interaction so our games are typically in the 45 minutes to an hour range. Ideal imo
Cam sleeves are great what are they?
2 hour game edited down to 30 minutes. Impressive. Although I do miss watching fully unedited/trimmed games like Commander VS channel.
4:30 FINALLY MY FAVORITE MAGIC CREATOR KNOWS ABOUT ONE PIECE!!!
Jesus. Chase's deck has got to be so expensive. The ragavan alone
Not a very casual deck with Rhystic, Eldritch Evolution, Ragavan...
This was so good! Keep up the great work.
I really enjoyed watching yall play casual
I’ve gone back and forth between casual and cEDH a lot lately and damn I’ve missed playing casual lol. I LOVE cEDH, but something about just not caring about winning (at least not entirely) and just doing the cool things, tickles the fancy
its crazy becuase the only reason my friend groups power level has gone up is because we are switching out board wipes for real things to end games. I feel like the epidemy of casual commander is board wipes. Loved the video tho gave me a new perceptive of casual decks and what i should do for a more casual fun deck
Coat of Arms counts all creature types on the battlefield, not just your own.
Casual games and someone always shows up with Sissay hahah... 😅 Good times!!!
Bruh. I love watching Chase play. They're the chillest player ive ever seen and always has the most fun gameplay. Love you Chase!!!!!!
Thank you 🥺🥺🫶🏻
Man, i am so glad i have started playing cedh more than casual. Everyone has a different meaning for casual, and this game definitely showcases that 🍻
2:18 Cam looking at the decklist, and you playing three visit/Nature's Lore. I'm curious why you don't play one of the common dual lands. Maybe more than one. Idk when this was recorded to mention Underground Mortuary from murders at karlov.
The land I would 1 for 1 swap out is Jungle Hollow. I don't see the 1 life mattering as much as a tutorable land, plus counts to Cabal Coffer numbers if you don't have an Urborg out.
This is more so a casual/budget easy swap suggestions.
I dont know if anyone else said this, but there should have been an extra point of damage from purphoros entering bc of impact tremors since he was a creature
Yes I run a lot of interaction as while always have even before I ever played cedh so my casual games in some of the pods go just like that
Shouldn't purphoros still be on board sonce it's indestructible? And therefore during the echo of eons and snakes everyone would die?
Ah yes, the good ol' fog to bamboozle the alpha striker. Ya love/hate to see it.
You know it's refreshing seeing y'all play casual.
Played Liliana's Contract soon as I found out about it in my Esper deck n was able to win with it the first match I slotted it in. 😅 Definitely put it in as a challenge n it felt very underwhelming 🤣🤣🤣
This is my favorite "begin" for awhile.
So happy to see Xyris get some love. Also happy to see Tyler play it.
"I misses this awesome line" the epitome of casual play
I love the casual episodes!
Thanks for reminding me why I prefer cEDH a lot over casual ...
I wonder why the Blasphemous act by Tyler, killing his own Xyris.. just to get rid of the Michiko? While holding a wheel, and having Purphoros on the board? I would've just let that sit around, wait for next turn and claim victory... The rest of the table needed a boardwipe to deal with Xyris or a removal for purphoros then.
Curious about Dylans deck.. I see that he is goign for the flavor of having the four demons Liliana made a pact with in the deck, but one of them is banned in commander. I checked out the decklist linked in the description and I see that not only Griselbrand is not present, but that he doesn't even have four demons in the deck.. What is the thought process here? Or did I miss something?
*This Is gonna be a Banger letsss goooo*
I get a little spike of dopamine every time you guys post a casual gameplay video
I'm surprised Tyler didn't play some kind of protection for Xyris. I mean, yeah, he has the mana for the 15 of his Commander, but damn...
19:40 for everyone who came from the short and want to know wtf the boardstate was
Didnt lose.3.off inferal grasp either. Missing all terror of peaks life drain triggers. Haha. Love these casual games!
Tyler missed all the triggers from rhystic draws right? I mean.. he should have had more snakes
Oooo ya that sounds right
@@PlaytoWinMTG well it's casual.. who cares 😂😂
I think he knew the enchantment wipe was gonna clean him up, lol he also missed the 4 snakes off the enchantment that Dylan played always fun to watch none the less
Cam taps out turn 2, and plays a spell with 3 colored pips. He uses elves and deep shadow and at least 1 pain land. Should he be at 38? (didn't look at the first land either, maybe 37?)
Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth!
"Is this what your casual games look like?"
No, sometimes there's two Odric, Lunarch Marshal decks that have acquired lifelink, indestructible, and vigilance, and we have to agree to stop attacking until one of us draws an answer to the other so that we don't end up at 5000 life and have to play for eight hours.
This is the most non-casual casual game I have ever seen. Also, Chase's playmat is hype. Stolas is best birb.
Man it was a hilarous match hahaha... Chase is really funny
Its like when PTW doesnt play cedh they just forget how the game works lol
I feel like Chase got cEDH trauma when they saw everyone removing Sissay and paying for Rhystic 😂
When I saw ragavan come out my brain went “I thought this was a causal game” 😂
So Cam plays an incarnation of Glissa based on the 1 - 4 choice? Is that how his deck works?
This was a nice change. Funny how Cam and Dylan mention making mistakes because it’s casual EDH when they make mistakes in cEDH too lol.
15 Rounds so either 5 games of cedh that are 3 rounds long or 3 cedh games that are 5 rounds long. i pick cEDH every time over a 2+hours casual game.
i actually prefer 1000 times more games with lot of interaction that games without, actually hillarious the amount of destruction going around
So are you guys excited for all commanders having partner for pride month? I am brewing a Kibo + Ragavan deck.
Love that this is a casual game
I think I finally figured out why casual players get so salty when they die. Along with possible other reasons, I think no one wants to wait around for an hour to play their non-profit hobby while watching others do it
Did I miss something? Why wouldn't Chase cast the scheming symmetry before attacking with the Etali? The card is basically designed for that exact situation. Not that it would have changed the outcome of the game, just seems like a waste.
They probably didn't do it because Tyler was dead and they didn't want to waste any more time. 2 hour game.
I’m a sucker for that stolas mat :3
Fellow Xyris player. Watching him get obliterated each time he hit the field makes total sense. Sucks you couldn’t hit a counterspell or protection at any point!
One time playing casual high power with friends I cast xyris cast wheel in response one friend free countered the wheel and the other blew up xyris. Next turn same damn thing. I laughed.
My casual games usually include locking people in a prison using my Estrid enchantments. Safe to say I'm not liked playing at all lol.
Tetzumask reveal is sorcery speed dylan! :
Ok, REALLY strange Xyris build with no counterspells whatsoever. But insane video. Thanks guys.
no snakes after lilliana's contract? 9:14
The promo Glissa has so much better art, one of my fav arts on a magic card
My pod is slowly starting to look more like this as I watch more of it. Most people do not run enough interaction like this.
Not that it matters in the slightest but at 1:45 Cam should've taken 2 damage for casting Glissa
I only had to take 1 cause I could tap my pain land for a green thanks to Yavimaya on Tyler’s board
I Love CHACE and their deck. I also have one like it.
Typical casual EDH moment, 3 players playing, while the one that died before goldfishes for half and hour, waiting for the table to finish the game so he can play again.
Casual commander but with high powered commanders. Id like to see them play super casual with some jank commanders.
“The powerfulness of Vilis”
probably wont matter, but cam forgot to loose a life from hin pain land, when he played glissa the first time
I need to find where chase got the playmat
I got it off of VivziePop’s shark robot store (official helluva boss merch). They no longer sell my mat but they have other ones from the show there
Yo I made a cameo in this game W
28:45 song?
Oooooh Cam I see that Don!! card. One Piece TCG video when?!?!
In answer to your question, Dillon, its just you lol. Casual games that I play are not removal fests 😂
it has been my personal experience that casual commander players do not play interaction
what was that d20 tyler had
When phyrexian scriptures 2 lore counter went off ff why didnt chases sisay get destroyed?
Nm forgot about Teferis Pro.