Your 8K TV Questions, Answered | You Asked Ep. 37
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- 8K TVs. How big does a TV need to be before 8K makes sense? Who is putting out an 8K signal? Where are the 8K TVs? Should 98-inch TVs need to be 8K? And - how about that EU energy regulation thing - are 8K TVs actually banned now? It’s 8K all day, coming up on on You Asked!
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I think one other problem was how fast they announced 8K. That’s like buying a dvd player and then a few months later advertising blu-ray! When it comes to this market, you can’t announce expensive items like this too soon. TVs are long term investments. I laughed really hard when 4K content was barely a thing when 8K was being announced.
Why is this not in 8k? Come on, Caleb. /S
Send him a 8k camera and you will get it.
Do you even have an 8k display to even watch it in the first place?
Well played 😂
@@frankderossi795i always watch 8k content on my 400 dollar laptop 1080p screen! Just click on it in CZcams, easy!
They probably shoot with an iphone and edit on capcut 🪤
I've just recently purchased my first 4K TV, gonna be at least a decade before I think about 8K
I'm still waiting for 4k on my sat TV !
We can't even get enough bandwidth to reliably broadcast TV in real 4K after more than a decade, let alone 8K. Not gonna happen anytime soon unless things drastically change with data transfer speeds and bandwidth
4K OTA broadcasts are no technical challenge according to the broadcast engineers I’ve been speaking with for the last 6 years or so. And Japan’s NHK has done pretty well with 8K live broadcasts (they look phenomenal). The real reason we don’t have it is corporate greed: Why have one 4K channel when the bandwidth can be chopped up for four 1080p channels running four times as many ads?
I only watch Seinfeld reruns on my 16K.
Best comment ever.
lolol, that was funny indeed and spot on, economy of words so well put. I'm a Seinfield series fan myself, btw. Nice to see someone referring to that old masterpiece of a sitcom.
Impressive but how long will that really last? 😂
your eyes can only notice 8GB of RAM
I actually used to do that, now I watch MASH and Cheers in 24K (the industry standard)
WRT the "lack of 8k content" fact...
It might be worth mentioning how big a file a 130 minute 8k HDR (Dolby Vision for example) with a full Atmos multi-channel lossless audio track would have to be...
I don't personally know the answer or have the data to do the math but I believe it is safe to say that with only one language, no extras, and minimal windows a single feature film on CURRENT media would require at least 4 disk changes or flips... maybe even twice that when you multiply the number of pixels by the colour depth and then add 16 channels of uncompressed audio...
Short of introducing another brand new device, and the inevitable format war the only real way to buy or transport a full fidelity feature film would be giant capacity thumb drives... The cost of the media is cheaper than it used to be but it's still many orders or magnitude higher than a pressed aluminum and lacquer sandwich that can be produced by the thousands in a press...
I can't see a time in the near future where it would be worth streaming 8k...I have 1.5Gb dedicated fiber internet and I can clearly see and hear the reduction in quality of any stream vs a 4k UHD HDR disk.
The streaming service would have to host much bigger files (4x or more) before you even talk about the fidelity lost in the bandwidth limitations or compression for transfer.
Oh... There's also the fact that any movie shot digital is not shot at 8k anyway so an "8k" copy would just be an upscale anyway... and original "shot on film" movies would have to be scanned at 8k one frame at a time to be actual 8k... (and all the manipulation required to get an HDR colour grading and and the creation of a lossless audio track...
Things move quickly so maybe it will be a faster transition but I will remain quite sceptical.
To be fair, 4K blu-rays already support 4k@60fps video (ex. Gemini Man, plus it has some extras too), so an 8k@24fps video would only be about twice as much bitrate, and AV1, an even newer video codec, seems to be coming its way.
8K Ultra HD Blu ray disc capacity will need to be 100GB to 200GB
More like 400 or 500
4 burays stacked atop each other with 5mm between each would do it ... Total height = 17mm or 2/3rds of an inch ...
@@TheMamaluigi300 yes, but newer video codecs can only do so much. an 8k video file, with all the same colour depth and whatever else, even with a codec that is 2x more efficient, will still be larger. Add the expanded colour data that 8k is supposed to include, and with the SAME compression 8k would be MORE than 4x the file size/ bit rate. so even with 4x the compression efficiency (a long way off, and will require a LOT of processing power to encode and decode) it will still be bigger.
The kind of PQ I'm getting watching this 'you asked' series on my 65S95C, I don't need 8k.
Today's camera work is top notch, the lighting is perfect, the skin tone looks so natural and detailed. Wish all yt content was this quality as benchmark.
Let me know what you think of the LG G4 review video! We made some lightning changes for the A-roll and I wanna know how that looks for you! Also, shoutout Zeke for the color grading!
@@Caleb_Denison Sure, with pleasure.
Caleb, you are the man..... You really know how to take a topic and make it enjoyable. Thanks bro.
He is the man when it comes to TV, hands down
I like the thorough coverage of a single topic.
Caleb, thx for clarifying the 8k conundrum! Your video was fantastic keep up the good work!
This so feels like 3D TV's and content back in the day. The way things have been going so far, seems like widespread 8K is not going to be a thing, just as it happened with 3D.
Thank you for answering my question. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Excellent video and format. I love the singular focus on an important topic. Thank you.
I think there's a whole lot more to be discussed on this topic Caleb. Faux 8K content is coming sooner than organic 8K. AI upscaling is going to be the big push towards getting consumers to upgrade. I expect the marketing to shift from HD UHD etc to processing power upscaling tech and partnerships with Nvidia, AMD, and the big TV manufacturers. Content creators will settle into 4K and allow the consumers and their hardware/software to up res it. We haven't even discussed cloud computing being utilized by streaming services to offer a higher tier that upscales their content. Many will remember hitting pause to allow an online video time to load up for smoother, better quality playback. We aren't likely getting 8K content in physical media ever unless some niche tech emerges that makes it worthwhile.
2:20 Actually, way back in 1995, when Japanese scientists from NHK were developing 8k, they named it 8k Super Hi-Vision.
I’ve lost track of all the Hi-Vision variants, since seeing them do 3D HDTV in Sydney 2000
Is their 4K one named something else?
Wow 37 episodes already great job love these you asked videos always interesting and informative
love the new format 👍👍👍
Another good topic. Thanks.
4K didn’t really take off until HDR entered the picture (pun intended or not). I never noticed the resolution difference between a HD and 4K set without HDR content.
So I propose that we need Super Ultra HDR for 8K that even goes beyond BT2020 colorspace. 8K must support 100k nits 😂 also.
Of course I’m joking but adding resolution isn’t going to be a game changer just like it was for 4K. 8K needs more than just more pixels. It needs something that’s obviously an improvement over what many quality 4K sets can already do.
Expanding the colorspace would be awesome.
As always Caleb thank you for the direct, no beating around the bush answers. 😊
Great video man - Cheers 👍🏻
Great breakdown, Caleb. Really helped illustrate how in depth of a question this really is.
Really good video. Agree with the thesis 100%.
Nailed it, as usual Caleb. Great video 🤘
Nice review keep up the good work
I have been in video production for many years. I can remember the day when I thought buying 1080 cameras should be left to Hollywood, and now my cell phone shoots 4k at 60fps. My... how times are changing!
One of the advantages of 4k is that you can go back to catalog content shot on 35mm film and make the definitive release with resolution roughly equal to the original negative. That way you can match the new content you're mastering in 4k with beloved classics. Studios have been pretty slow to actually do that, but it's slowly happening.
But you can't really do that in 8k. Only a very select number of older films and TV would see any benefit from an 8k master. Basically only 70mm epics, docuentaries shot for IMAX and Nolan films.
Excellent video
The 108' jumbo screen at Yankee Stadium is only 1080P, and NO ONE complains about the pixels. Unless you are so close your field of view would only take in a small portion of the screen.
Thanks for an interesting 8K themed episode of You Asked! Well done!
didnt mention pc games
Good information
Caleb I saw your Hisense U8N unboxing video, and that tv looks awesome. Can't wait for that review, I know that tv is going to be a major power house player for 2024 and 2025.
I honestly don't care about 8k, I want 16k TVs to watch proper IMAX movies.
Thank you
Only Trump can afford 16K TV his super rich
I'll raise you too 24K
That will be the "gold" standard!😂@@welshcaesar
You're gonna need a 100 plus foot screen for 8k, 16k, or 24k imax. I think max standard is 18k, but whatever, its a heck of a lot of resolution either way.
Good video. I am sticking to my 4k OLED.
Great video as allways but iam still waiting for your review for lg g4 oled 🙏
I'm happy I bought my QN800A 8K in late 2021 once the B models were released - i.e., price reduction on the As! The upscaling is welcomed and the CZcams content that's touted as 8K (and even 12K) looks absolutely stellar. I "only" have a Samsung 65inch 8K, but it sure brings a smile to my face when seeing the highest def content out there playing on the screen. No complaints about spending the money on it.
We are closing to the 10 year upgrade cycle weve been seeing for physical media. Do you think there will be an update? If so will it be 8k, or just higher bitrate 4k discs. I feel like regardless of content, someone like sony has to make an improvement atleast on disc file sizes, especially due to video game sizes balooning again
“The Struggle Bus”?! 😂
Best thing about 8K. It’s made my cheap outdoor Roku 65 inch TV’s come in around $250 from Walmart ♥️
I think 8K as a video resolution only makes sense in VR where the content has to fill your whole field of view. I can already confirm you can very much notice the difference between 4K and 8K in VR180. It is extremely noticeable. Night and day.
Good one 😂 Caleb, but I don't think many of us hard working Americans get out as much anymore, so don't apologize, you do great research & provide awesome content.
Integer scaling of 720, 1080, 1440 and 4k content as well
That’s … never a thing you should do
Pixels are not little squares.
@@whophd What are they, then?
Requesting You to start including power rating of the TVs in your reviews. Will be helpful
Agree 100%/Also just curious, would 5g Home Internet T Mobile/Verizon be fast enough for 8k streaming?
Thanks very much for this episode. We are now and will never be in a foreseeable future situation able to have a larger display than 65". Done deal. Get a 65" LG C3 TV and enjoy it until the day we die. Easy - peasy!
Great topic! You've made a valid point about the Gigabit internet requirement for accessing 8K content, which unfortunately isn't readily available to many users in North America, particularly those in rural areas. The underlying issue lies in the inadequate internet infrastructure. Until Gigabit internet becomes universally accessible at reasonable prices, 8K TVs will remain primarily accessible to urban dwellers and affluent individuals. In my view, 4K resolution meets the needs of most users admirably.
Is it possible to have an HDR encoding on 1080p content? Say, if they used 100GB disk to store the extra hdr info. Or is there any hard wiring of HDR only to go with 4K?
Wondering if they have to coin something like 'dynamic HDR DHDR, or Xtream HDR XHDR' with 8K to make the 8K media sellable.
You can put HDR in 1080p just not Blu ray and HDR content is 4K andb8K premium feature.
@@cactusjackNV Well explained. Thank you.
You should look at the Insta360 A4 camera. 360 surround video (and pics) PLUS 8K ....and even 11K mode. A lot of pretty cool features.
8k TVs drove the price of 4k TVs down so everybody went out and bought 4k TVs and forgot about 8k
I'm thinking of buying a TV to use as a Home Office (Mostly MS apps like Word, Excel, PPT e.t.c). I womt be upclose, my viewing distance will be about 2 meters. I'm torn between an 8K or QD OLED option and between a 55 or 65 inch option . Which will produce clearer and crispier text?
Since you are doing a n 8k video, was wondering why you have not reviewed the 98" 8k you mentioned just before you left for CES? Been close to 4 months
Qn900c to be replaced by 900d 85 inch this summer,,,feed it 4k and 8k u tube it’s amazing…😮😮
I'm waiting for those g4 and c4 reviews caleb.
My first HD tv was a Pioneer Kuro 50” plasma… I paid $5000 for that TV in 2007…
I still have that tv and It still has absolutely amazing picture quality and perfect black levels…
I was laughed at when I bought that tv…
8K is way ahead of its time.
Please take good care of that plasma TV. It's a technology that has gone extinct. I can say without any inhibition that among all these technologies, nothing can beat its organic PQ, and viewing experience.
Give me some of what u are smoking @Sas-wk9lg. I have a pioneer elite plasma from 08 full 1080p cost me $11000 and it is and was a beautiful tv but can’t even begin to compare with modern Oleds and Qleds. They were great for there time but they sure arnt special compared to what they have now.
Same thing, I am slumming with an 60" elite Kuro
i literally just gave one away :), a plasma i mean, seemed dull in my environment compared to oleds. was happy til made the mistake of trying them side by side haha
@@garrettstrutz7421Then you need your eyes testing. Still nothing to beat a good Kuro 🎉
Hi Caleb, I have an idea for a topic: OLED TVs/monitors. How long do the organic materials last, and should that matter vs VA/IPS based full array mini-LED TV's? Why do companies keep pushing mini-LED tech forward when OLEDs have better overall contrast and backlight control with self-emitting LEDs -- is it just a matter of cost or rarity of materials or the technology required to drive them? Why do many LED TVs consume so much more power than OLED -- is it because of the brighter output? If a smaller 4K OLED TV or monitor (say, under 42-inch) is dimmer because the pixels are smaller, and therefore less light can pass through, could it last longer than a large, bright 83-inch OLED? Would a company want to make a huge OLED TV that burns twice as bright but only half as long as a smaller set? (Sorry for the Blade Runner reference. I, too, don't get out much these days.) Thanks!
Who has room for an 85 to 98 inch tv in the home? 🤔🤷♂️
I remember 20 some years ago seeing regular HDTVs being $5-6000 at Best Buy. Those prices really crashed around 2006.
Don’t apologize for the dad jokes - us old fart greybeards need to steal from all the sources we can.
Also, I’d guess that properly compressed h.265 is fine with 100M in 8k…
I’ll keep ‘em coming!
We're still many years away from 8K being even close to relevancy. There's not even that much content that fully utilizes 4K yet and for the vast majority of people they won't be able to even percieve the difference between 4K and 8K
I’ve been wanting an 8k (pixel shifter) JVC projector for a while. But at this point I keep waiting for new models to be announced. What’s the typical time between new models releasing?
Love the new hairstyle
My local best buy had the new 8k Samsung model on display and it looked stunning when looking from a close distance; unfortunately it was twice the price I could get for the OLED flagship so I wound up going for the S95D instead. So price is absolutely an issue there
Been using a 55" 8K TV as my monitor for a year and a half. Paired with DisplayFusion as a window manager it's basically like "spatial computing" the Apple Vision Pro is going for but with a physical display.
55 inch TV Movie and TV watching is to small.
@@RobertK1993 nothing is too small,, it literaly depends, far more common to be too big :)
Sure, mayb for movie use case. But the statement that there's no 8K sources is false. My desktop is running at native 8K, and with properly scaled window management it's my favorite productivity "multi monitor" setup I've ever used.
There's a few of us doing this and I really recommend everyone give it a try.
So I have a question. For people with light sensitivity, do modern TV's that push HDR brightness have controls to limit the highlights? I know it sounds counter intuitive, but if you have light sensitivity it can be difficult to deal with high peak brightness and pure blacks with quick scene changes.
Eye-ronically 😂
When’s the Hisense U8N review coming?
Caleb has had it done for weeks. Unfortunately every time he sees this question, he delays it a day. Won't be out until 2026 at the current rate.
Are there some content that would have a large benefit at 8k? The Puck in hockey is tiny and isn't the same as the big beautiful flowers always put up to show picture quality. Depth of field, can creators make use?
Another thing that would help 8K TV sales would be a new super highly efficient video CODEC that would allow the streaming (and storage/distribution?) of high-quality 8K video without too much more bandwidth than 4K (so a lot more people could use it). This might overnight change things, just as TIFF and JPEG did for digital cameras, and the number of video CODEC's we use now for 4K-and-under. I remember watching Apple Events in the late 1990's with QuickTime and probably a sub-2Mbps internet connection. Boy we have come a long way. But good video Caleb.
I think it would be really interesting to get an explainer about upscaling. For instance, why is it hard for a 4k panel to show a 480p image that looks good? Why does it take so much processing power? Why are some brands better than others at it?
Caleb, glad you called out the ridiculousness of bandwidth caps. It's crazy to me how many people under a certain age now defend caps, often repeating pretty much verbatim the ISP's own rhetoric for justifying them. I guess the natural result of a generation of kids raised on smartphones and their pricing tiers: they've all been indoctrinated to think of the caps as perfectly reasonable. ;)
Please show me the children defending bandwidth caps.
@@Wiredrope I've no need to "show you," that's just my personal experience over the years, from many discussions on various forums and online sites. It's called an opinion. Any time you get involved in such a topic, there's almost invariably people there going on about caps being justified because it's unfair to everyone if some greedy people are using "too much" bandwidth, etc.
Granted, I don't take a poll to get people's age, and I'm sure some of the defenders are older and just have money to throw away, but I can't imagine that too many people who started out using the internet in their homes (over wired connections) and never had to worry about bandwidth caps, are the main group defending them. Also, you're the one who said children, I simply said "people under a certain age," most of whom are not now children. ;)
Anyway, regardless of the age groups, it's a senseless to defend the caps, because the "scarcity" of bandwidth is artificial, created by ISP's that don't invest enough in infrastructure, even when being subsidized by government grants, and the caps make them a lot of easy money.
ive only ever heard crying about caps, not sure anyone has a reason to like them bar the company haha
@@PazLeBon No good reason I can think of, but I sure ain't imagining all the people I've seen defending them over the years. But for the record, I was never claiming that they were a majority, only that they're out there and that I think most of them grew up just assuming that caps are normal and to be expected.
Competition is the best way to get rid of the caps, or at least get less restrictive ones, but unfortunately there's many areas of the country where there isn't any real competition. Where I live, my only choice for years was Cox, but finally about 7 years ago AT&T became available in my neighborhood, offering unlimited bandwidth, and I switched to them. (A lot of people did, but Cox still stubbornly sticks to it's monthly cap, so I guess they don't mind losing the business.)
Caleb, where can you get those awesome camo t-shirts from??
i think the end game target is 16k/1000hz.
8k is so 2021, 4k is where it is 😂
My Canon R5c Camera has an 8K sensor and captures to several formats in true 8K. CZcams offers the capability and I can upload in that resolution. The problem is, you have to hope that the CZcams app integrated into the television supports 8K in order to view it because unless you’re viewing on a PC there really isn’t another option.
I think that just like any time the next step up in resolution is around the corner for the first few years only consumers doing their own recordings or watching their photos on the new high resolution TVs can make sense of getting one. Streaming in 4K in good quality is still difficult to get in the first place so I am not ready to jump on the 8k wagon for a long time
Thanks for making this in a way thats not down putting the whole thing like others have over the years.
Bunch of problems with the industry not just the 8K side, most if not all years ago b4 covid said they would sell 8k at CES then keep putting it off each year I would say hey you told me would be for sale this year. Then I found it had more to do with HDMI thats a long story. Then the cost like you said and lack of buyers at that level. Now from what I can tell as well was told it seems samsung 8K is not true 8K, even the early ones people at samsung told me it was not and talked about how like jvc shift and how they are not true 8k.
I just remember seeing 8k one the first times like 2013 at sharp booth with NHK I still have that video on my channel. It was one the best demos I have seen video wise till I have seen 16k.
I say this so many times on videos, its more about the depth perception than resolution count. And how NHK pointed it out how thats the point of pushing higher then talked about 32k is more the stoping point but more for recording and screens would be lower around 16-18k. This was back in 2013-2014 who knows what they have in mind now. They wanted to do the olympics in 16k. Now jump to the chicken egg thing and depends on many things. Like look at movies theaters most didt even have 4k given DPC they would get was not in 4k and some didt have 4k projectors for years till past few years. So many parts to explain and even I dont know everything.
My TCL 75x925 8k Mini-Led.
The replacement offers were only 4k Oledds.
The 85" U8 Hisense replacement is a bland, textureless blurry picture.
Do the 8k TVs do a sufficient job of upscaling?
YES, i would agree with your 98"+ screen size comment. If your looking at 98" or larger TV then it could be worth the investment, if the technology in the 8k TVs is going to hold up until more 8k content comes out.
Why then are movies not released at 8K when they all have theatrical releases which is by my guess more than 8k resolution? What resolution are movies in theaters anyway? I could google it and search for the answer but for the sake of discussion I would appreciate an answer. Thanks.
If you look like pro cameras such as the Arri Alexa, you can see that they film at 4K, 5K or 6K at most.
8K is a huge resolution and for professional video production one would need to film at something like 10K or 12K to allow editing in post-production to result in a proper 8K image after cropping and stuff. The industry is not there yet for video, and from very recent reports it looks like even 4K is too resource-intensive, so much that the sports broadcase industry seems to be taking a shift back to 1080p but at higher framerates.
8K displays make a lot of sense from other reasons though, one of the main ones being the ability to display integer-scaled all the lower mainstream resolutions: 4K, 1440p, 1080p, 720p.
Beed to get rid iver all 720p 1080i tvs first..make 4k even more affordable
How are gigabit networks priced over there? There is a $15/m flat fee for gigabit in Bulgaria
Hisense 100 u7k vs sony 98 x90l which is better ?
8k projectors would be nice. As long they were affordable for the average Joe of course!
Q: Where is the 8K content?
A: Exactly.
I think it's high time these TV manufacturers put 8K TV to the top
When is your Hisense U8N review dropping??
What ISP still has caps?
Crapcast AKA Comcast
High quality 4K is already amazing. I suspect that I will never spend the extra money for an 8K TV, unless it offers something else that makes it better than its 4K competition. Actually, come to think of it, my projector supports 8K upsampling and I have it disabled. Yes, good upscaling can smooth jagged edges, but I have never even considered turning on my projector's 8K up-sampling mode. I watch my projector in native 4K at 120 inches diagonal from a distance of about 10 feet. With normal content the individual pixels are not visible to my eyes unless I get up and stand next to the screen.
Did you know, Dune Part 2 was mastered in 4K? And it was shown in digital IMAX theaters at 4K. It might have been shot in 6.5K, and it might have been transferred to 70 mm film for the handful of IMAX theaters that can handle it, but my understanding is that all of the editing was done in 4K. Likewise, other visually impressive movies used relatively modest resolutions. Blade Runner 2049 was shot in 3.4K. The Grand Budapest Hotel was shot on 35 mm film, but the digital master was just 2K.
How about having 4K TVs that support FRL6, first? What is the point of buying an 8K TV, when it cannot display 4:4:4, 12-bit images at 120Hz?
Stevie Wonder Musicquarium in the background. I think anyway. Hard to see since this video isn’t 8k! 📺
Considering the quality of the latest OLED & MicroLED TVs on the market now and coming soon(Sony's recently announced 2024 lineup)8K is no longer as droolworthy to me. The PQ we have now and will be getting from 4K will keep 98+% of us very happy for the foreseeable future.
At some point though, the major manufacturers will hit that wall and realize "Okay, we've taken 4K as far as it can possibly go, and sales have plateaud and begun to slide, so we're gonna have to make an industry push for 8K now."
But we're at least a few years away yet, and none of them seem very motivated to make that push again. They've realized what Caleb said about the cost of 8K vs the demand and the availability of 8K content. When for now, the fact that the vast majority of people are content with 4K and the PQ of the latest TVs being what they are, there's simply not enough incentive for the industry and the public to make a major investment in 8K.
If you already have one of those pinnacle 8K products, and at mammoth screen size, then you're sitting pretty with no reason to complain.
I bought a JVC laser projector and the 8K facility was a bonus…
Is it possible to upscale 4K content to 8K on such a tv? And what player would be able to that?
I don’t see an 8K tv anywhere in my future. I’m toying with upgrading from 55” to 65” 4K when next year’s tvs come in.
I would want an 8k 3D TV. Being able to watch a movie in true 4K in each eye would be so nice.
No point file sizes make it prohibitly expensive
Doe it feel like IMAX in living room? How about IMAX RATIO in 8K?
Good opportunity for IMAX licencing.
How will streaming companies make economical the enormous file sizes that 8k videos would presumably be at some point in the future? There isn't a game changing compression technology on the horizon that I am aware of. Maybe the future will be physical media for 8k content? Or will it all be left to tv upscaling?
No.. I think you got one thing wrong. HD TVs had a resolution of 720p, than Full HD (or FHD) TVs have a resolution of 1080p :D But ok.
How about posting a chart which countries DO have a flat priced 1G wired internet connection as a standard procuct?
I know a few countries…