We ANNOYED the SELLER! So, we SURPRISE HIM! (EP33)
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- We run into a situation for a vintage Sports Cards collection. The seller gets frustrated with a LOW-BALL offer and we adjust and bring him a new BUYER...
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EPISODE 1 • We BUY ALL the Sports ... TEXAS
EPISODE 2 • DO NOT Sell These Card... MONTANA
EPISODE 3 • Should you BUY JUNK WA... MONTANA
EPISODE 4 • SELL ALL HIS CARDS for... COLORADO
EPISODE 5 • Can we find RARE Sport... TEXAS
EPISODE 6 • Heartwarming Facebook ... WASHINGTON
EPISODE 7 • Our MOST INTENSE Sport... OREGON
EPISODE 8 • SELL YOUR ENTIRE eBAY ... WASHINGTON
EPISODE 9 • WE BOUGHT 6 MILLION SP... OKLAHOMA
EPISODE 10 • The MOST IMPORTANT CAR... OKLAHOMA
EPISODE 11 • The CASE FOR BUYING Sp... CALIFORNIA
EPISODE 12 • 40 YEAR OLD CARD COLLE... TEXAS
EPISODE 13 • FATHER LEAVES FAMILY I... WEST VA
EPISODE 14 • LET'S MAKE A DEAL! (EP... WEST VA
EPISODE 15 • He found MICHAEL JORDA... CALIFORNIA
EPISODE 16 • HE SURVIVED CANCER & O... CALIFORNIA
EPISODE 17 • Ultimate Score: $20K f... FLORIDA
EPISODE 18 • Does CANADA have the B... CANADA
EPISODE 19 • Is HE the BEST BOWMAN ... FLORIDA
EPISODE 20 • Crazy BASKETBALL CARD ... IDAHO
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EPISODE 22 • HE LIED! WHAT SHOULD W... TX/ID
EPISODE 23 • BEWARE! Craigslist DEA... WASHINGTON
EPISODE 24 • I Got BLINDSIDED! (EP24) NEVADA
EPISODE 25 • WE DESTROYED a 1952 MI... IDAHO
EPISODE 26 • WE TAKE OVER HIS CARD ... NEVADA
EPISODE 27 • FACEBOOK COLLECTION DE... TEXAS
EPISODE 28 • We NEEDED MORE MONEY f... TENNESSEE
EPISODE 29 • $50,000 STICKER SHOCK!... TEXAS
EPISODE 30 • We go ALL NIGHT with C... TEXAS
EPISODE 31 • From CARDS to CASTLE! ... TEXAS
EPISODE 32 • Epic $50,000 House & B... TEXAS
EPISODE 33 • We ANNOYED the SELLER!... TEXAS
EPISODE 34 • $15,000 Sports Card Ha... TEXAS
EPISODE 35 • CARDS HQ!!! with SPORT... GEORGIA
EPISODE 36 • CRAZY SITUATION in App... NORTH CAROLINA
EPISODE 37 • We find $11,000 collec... INDIANA
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EPISODE 39 • $13,900 for GRADED CAR... KENTUCKY
EPISODE 40: • Buy ENTIRE ROOM or NOT... OHIO
EPISODE 41: • We offer $500,000 at G... SPOKANE
EPISODE 42: • NO CHOICE! I have to s... SPOKANE
EPISODE 43: • BUY ENTIRE SPORTS CARD... KENTUCKY
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These people that are saying your offer was insulting have obviously never negotiated before. There's some give and take in every negotiation. In my opinion, they are jealous of the success of this channel and want to find anything possible to nitpick what you're doing. These people probably pay sticker price for a car, so they don't insult the car salesman...🙄🙄
Paddy… as a buyer they are probably only worth 50 cents. As a seller, you sell for as much as you can make. It’s a business transaction. You do not pay retail for a bulk collection. And what if the autos are fake? Consider these things in the future. And at the end of the day, the seller said no and Mike found him a buyer.
@@paddyb456 You seem to be missing two very important pieces in this equation. 1 - in the sub $5 card market it's a free for all... if you want to spend the next 4 weeks of your life scanning and listing $2 to $5 cards, go for it. Most people don't want to do that and are okay with selling bulk for 50cents. That's extremely common in the card market and is usually a fair exchange for 'time'... 2 - Values are determined by one thing...what someone is willing to pay you. You can run comps until your fingers bleed, but if someone doesn't bring you money for that card, it's worthless info. If Ricky had 2 months between visits, it's probably fair to assume he tried to sell his collection for 8 weeks. He didn't... because money talks...not "comps"
@@CHASINGCARDBOARDif you think the autos are don't buy them. If yoh think they're real, then pay what you think they're worth.
Obviously an employee of chasing cardboard for this comment but not for this "comment reaction" 😅
Yeah there are a lot of dealers you take advantage of people who are selling their cards dealers are sometimes the worst
Very odd and weird episode. Something very cringe about it.
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That sweet man was too nice to tell you how garbage that 2k offer was lol talking about the costs of grading and shipping after saying half of it was to complete your own sets.
It was an "offer".... part of the process of any of these deals. We make an offer and expect a back and forth. We had ZERO idea what he wanted.... if he would have countered on the spot we would have probably come to a deal.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD How about not lying about your costs being 40%? Leave meat on the bone, you say? You wanted to leave no meat on his bones!
Thanks for the feedback.
@@arthurrosen2819 It's a negation.. you do not start with what your break even point would be if it is a dealer. Time is something you do not consider with the 40% as well..
I like the we offer 70% after fees, so basically they offer 55% which is garbage. I offer a straight 70-80% based on liquidity and usually my offers are accepted and we both walk away happy
Mike I'm going to be honest, that was rude and you didn't even realize it. Improve your negotiation skills. Nonetheless, great video!
Mike didn’t do anything wrong. Ricky simply didn’t want to negotiate. Mike made an offer, expecting Ricky to come back with his number. It didn’t happen. So Mike found Ricky a buyer. Go watch the episode again from this perspective.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD hahaha won’t apologize. we all know Mike is a wonderful person but imo you need to put him up on game on negotiating. hey we learn and move on. no harm done. love the channel!
Thanks for the feedback.
It’s a shame how resellers try to take advantage of people to make a buck. Very low ball offer
The auto could be fake. He didn’t accept the offer. In the end, Mike found him a buyer. Why are you complaining.
No one tried to "take advantage" of anyone... we gave a cash offer, expecting a counter, didn't get one... and that was that. We respected Ricky and found a solution via Ben.
Make a deal? That’s not a deal that’s a rip off!!!
What’s a rip off?
What a guy. Every ballpark needs a guy like this!
Yes!!!
For sure
$2000 is completely insulting and disrespectful and I hope he deletes you guys number immediately smh of course we want that best deal but that's just ridiculous, no class at all
Well...as you noticed after watching until the end.... he didn't delete our number...in fact, we worked out a deal that we liked. It was an "offer".... part of the process of any of these deals. We make an offer and expect a back and forth. We had ZERO idea what he wanted.... if he would have countered on the spot we would have probably come to a deal two months earlier.
Did you not watch 😂😂😂
The gentleman in this episode is an absolute gem, wish him the best.
Same
2k. Come on man. I wouldn’t counter on that either.
Thank goodness the harmonica saved the day.
Keep in mind, Ben is a collector. We are resellers, so we’re wanting the best deal for us. But we’re also glad we were able to find a buyer that made Ricky happy.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARDyou keep trying to justify this by saying Ben is a collector. But Mike is also a collector, and even said that he would be using some of these in sets that he was building! Perhaps he should have made it clearer which cards he was buying while wearing his collector hat, and which ones he was buying while wearing his Chasing Cardboard hat!
$2k-$3800. At first glance, yikes, not a good look because are you not THE guy who gives your partner value advice? Unless... the $2k offer was without a bunch of stuff or same deal? Just trying to think about why you knocked yourself down a few pegs in terms of respect.
Keep in mind, Ben is a collector. We are resellers, so we’re wanting the best deal for us. But we’re also glad we were able to find a buyer that made Ricky happy.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD Oh ok, I thought he just negotiated for you, did not realize he was keeping them for himself. Makes sense
2000 that's sad....
It’s called negotiating. You give someone a lowball offer, they give you a higher offer, eventually, you meet somewhere in the middle, and both parties are happy. :)
It boggles my mind in 2023, people still negotiate like this. High ball offer, low ball offer, meet in the middle. It’s insulting on both sides.
When I buy a car, or negotiate anything, I’m actually pretty honest. This is my price, can you meet it? If you can’t, that’s cool and we walk away. But the back and forth offers and playing poker face just never sits well with me.
Good luck getting the rest of the world to negotiate like you do.
Not everyone negotiates the same way. Ricky was not willing to with Mike, and there’s nothing wrong with his approach. At the end of the day, Mike actually helped Ricky get a buyer.
Even if he would not come off of $4,000.... I am still a buyer. Great for a collector building set. But those EX to EXMT commons are WAY more than 50 cents.
They were far from ex to ex-my condition
The 50 cent price is what a reseller would buy them for, and then resell for $1 or more. Bulk purchases always should be discounted for the sake of the work that goes into it.
I usually love the videos, but not this one. This is my problem. You establish with Ricky that he hasn’t paid attention to prices since 60s. You then say I want to be at 50 to 60 percent of value. Then the offer which is not at 50 to 60 percent of the true value. You actually are giving impression to Ricky that the collection is worth less than it actually is. This is the problem.
Also please stop with all the we have to pay grading fees. That is your choice to grade to do nothing more than maximize your profit. It is not the fault of the seller. That is your decision.
I should note I still love the show, especially Ty and his energy! I will continue watching.
Thanks for watching. We always explain that we are resellers. We need to make a profit. Can’t make a profit buying comp prices. Also, those autos could be fake. If so, we just through away a LOT of money. In the end, we brought Ricky a buyer so he could make some money.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD I hear you. But this one was different. If you don’t see that I don’t know what to say. When u are buying raw cards at 50 to 60 percent of comps I get it. I really do. But the reason you grade is to maximize the profit which we know a graded card can give you a profit many times over the raw value. So making comments I need to pay grading fees is your decision. You are not giving them 50 to 60 percent of the possible graded card value. I ain’t here to fight or insult you guys at all. Love the channel. I just think the community is calling you out and rightfully so. No disrespect, not insulting, just what the community thinks about that first offer. Buying cards is a gamble I get it. No one forced you into this business you chose to enter it. But low balling someone, strictly my opinion, in the fashion he did was wrong. When he established Ricky didn’t know the value but he did and made that offer was just plain and simple wrong. Business has risks we all get it. Risks in this hobby ain’t no different than any other business. The people that last will always be the honest businessman. The others will just fade away. This video just felt sleazy.
We’ve made a lot of bad risks and learned from them. We’re producing a show that costs thousands each time we go out. Not sure where you got you 50 to 60% number. We are cautious buyer since we been doing this for so long.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD play your video to 15:40 and u will see where I got it. Not to mention I am pretty sure I have seen this in previous videos considering I try to watch all of them. Like seriously what is happening to you guys. I also get your choice to produce videos, love the videos, didn’t realize card sealers on the hook for your CZcams subs also. This is just getting worse and worse with every response. And I didn’t touch he wanted some of these cards to finish his own sets. I have been ready to let this die fyi.
Ricky knew what he wanted. Good for him not even budging on the first offer. Without seeing all the conditions 4k looks like it's close to fair.
Ricky definitely had some conviction. If he would have countered I think we'd have likely got a deal done... but mad respect for Ricky.
This guy reminds me of all the greedy people I’ve dealt with through the years, they use all the same tactics
Not everyone collects commons. And if your smart… you buy for 50 cents each and resell for a $1. It’s called making money. Ben obviously isn’t interested in the commons.
Oh yeah? What tactics are those?
I don't get why people who buy cards are so villainized. It's just business dudes. Y'all get real high on your horse real quick when you know you'd buy cards for $100 and sell them for $1,000,000 if you could. What's the problem?
@@TranscendentalThoughts because this hobby used to be filled with collectors. Now it's nothing but money hungry conmen looking to lowball their way to a lottery ticket.
Thanks for the feedback.
$2000 was insulting. I buy and sell cards all the time as a dealer and for myself, and that was someone trying to take advantage of a person who openly admitted they didn't keep up with prices.
Exactly! He would make much more grading selectively from the many "commons" Mike claimed he was set building with. lololol
Couldn’t agree more with you.
Jake, what would you have offered?
Lol I love how people forget the buyer and offer you want ever they want to. It's your job as the seller to say yes or no. Dude acts like he has always offered everyone 100 percent of what a card is worth 😂😂😂
@paddyb456 Mike has not lost any credibility. He was saying that is the price he’d buy them for. They are worth more than 50 cents… on a good day. And lately most of these commons are sitting in our eBay stores, not selling. So yeah, we are not paying retail in a common card, nor should you.
Low-ball a fella just cause he has more hair than you. SMH
Haha. It was one of those hats with a wig!
$2000 was disgusting lol glad his buddy came in and was more fair
It was an "offer".... part of the process of any of these deals. We make an offer and expect a back and forth. We had ZERO idea what he wanted.... if he would have countered on the spot we would have probably come to a deal.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD you had zero idea what he wanted, but you had 100% idea of the lowball you offered LMAO
@@prospectsrus282 exactly! these guys are clowns. There's nothing I hate more than low ball resellers like this buyer in the video.
Thanks for the feedback. Ha
he had no counter offer because $2000 was a super low ball offer, those players and autos worth a lot more than $2K - you could nickel and dime those commons and make 2K - I would have done the same or I would have been firm with 4K counter
Thanks for watching!
As a reseller you have to factor in the time it takes to list thousands of cards. What is your time worth?
Also what if the autos are fake? Are you willing to pay that price?
Never negotiate on the “possibilities” of getting your money back. Make sure you are spending wisely and with caution.
I agree, the commons are worth way more than 3 dollars a piece.
25:37 look at that gorgeous Yastrzemski rookie card just sitting there. I mean come on if that comes back a 7 that's $1K by itself.
Can’t buy based on the “what ifs”… gotta be smarter than that.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD isn't buying raw always "what ifs?". That's pretty much the game, right?
@buffalobraves9 No. We do not buy with the dream of a card grading high. We buy based on its raw condition and hope it grades high enough to make a bigger profit. That is how we are able to produce these episodes. How much do you think it costs for our travel, flights, lodging, food, camera crew, editing, etc. there’s a lot of money put into each episode. Hope your enjoying them.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD Oh yes, because the collector selling his collection should make allowances for your camera crew's travel.
That is total BS. YOU choose to drag around cameras that is on you.
They really wanted to take him to the cleaners lol
Mike. When you said. “Advice to a seller”. To be fair…. Your offer was very low. When offers are a lot less then what the value is. A lot of ppl won’t even counter. Also a lesson to buyers. Ppl might say they don’t have a clue in what values are… that’s not always true. Sometimes ppl want to see who there dealing with when negotiating etc.
Fair enough.
WOW! Awesome Stuff!
Thanks!
Another great one. Fun to watch these.
Thanks Mike!
Glad Ben was able to get them!
Absolutely!
Great episode! Can't wait for next week. Jeff
Thanks EOTRO
Love the pitch, Oh they are all raw. Got to love dealers. I should know, I use to be one.
Well that was interesting. I have to say I learned a lot and wow. Thank you
Glad to hear it!
Loving the guests you've had on recently.
Same here!
Great to see Ben!
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Maybe the majority of comments on the video saying you lowballed is maybe a sign to see that maybe it’s time to acknowledge you did
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, we appreciate you watching!
Hate when sellers incorporate time of selling and grading into vintage cards where they make a killing if authentic. Heres an idea if you go to offer bring a person with you who can authenticate and make an offer and deduct shipping to level the price if need be. Otherwise buy autos authenticated if you cant do the latter scenario.
Easier said than done. We’ve picked up some amazing looking vintage only to get rejected by a grader because they were trimmed or colored. You can’t catch everything by holding them. So looking at a card and guessing, “it might be a 6”, is dangerous. You have to buy under comps.
If Mike is keeping a lot of the cards for his collection then he should get the cards closer to comps. Cool stories from this gentleman.
Nobody should pay sticker prices for cards. Especially in todays market. You out an offer out there, a low offer, and the seller should comeback with his offer. It’s called negotiating. Ha
@@thepullsportscards, agree. If you’re selling cards, know the price you want to sell them.
Mike brought a buyer to him, so it all worked out.
Wrong. I’d rather hook up a collector than a reseller any day!
Ben is a collector.
Chicken Train FTW..🎉😅 That's my favorite part of the show..😍😮 Love this guys.. Take care..👍💕🔥👊
Us too!
Wow that centered Gibson rookie next to the 2nd year Rose at 25:15 didn't even get mentioned. That Gibson alone would bring at least $600.
Thanks for watching!
I was fortunate enough to of met Rita this Summer at Play Ball Sports Cards and Memoribilia when we went to Texas on a family trip that shop is great.
Nice people!
Cool conclusion to this story! Nice baseball pic Mike!
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I thought the offer was insultingly low and I honestly think Mike knew it , you can see it in his face. As far as Ty answering every negative comment with a condescending one , seems about right from what I have seen from him lately. I said this to you during the Rock auto incident , less is more. But you tend to have to defend yourself a lot less when you’re doing things honorably.
Hey Michael, not sure what comments you’re referring to, but Ty rarely reads the comments nor replies. Thanks for watching and supporting the show. Our team works hard to put out FREE content, and we are not going to stand down on the insults and haters. Mikes offer was an offer. He was willing to spend $3k+. Mike is a business man and was trying to see where Ricky’s mind was. Mike was being cautious as those autos could be fake. Ricky didn’t know his price, so we brought Ricky a buyer to pay his price.
Black border cards in SGC holders hurt my eyes.
Absolutely NOT a waste of money....especially vintage.
4 grand is a great deal. Regardless of the work involved once purchased. I would easily have paid the 4.
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The signed Topps Mays, Banks and Brooks are some amazing cards.
Totally agree
I like Ricky’s style - straight free balling
For sure!
This was such an interesting episode. How cool were some of those stories?!?
He had a ton of stories. So many cool experiences.
I buy old toys, sports cards, and other collections all the time. I try to pay 50-60% of possible value for items. Even if you plan on keeping some or most of the items, its factored in when you think of all the time and energy it takes to sell off what you dont keep.
Agreed. Some folks just don’t understand because they do not have that mindset of reselling.
That $2,000 offer was so bad glad he held out for $3800
Good episode
Yeah, just the signed HOFers would go for $2K. That was really a lowball offer.
Keep in mind, Ben is a collector. We are resellers, so we’re wanting the best deal for us. But we’re also glad we were able to find a buyer that made Ricky happy.
What if they’re fake? Then what? Your out thousands. Be smart.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD you guys are professionals that's kinda part of your job he also said they were 1000% real in the video which I thought was kinda interesting he said that
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD I would make that stipulation with the seller: If they come back fake then the deal is void. He's on camera, make that handshake agreement and everyone knows the rules.
Oh my! That was.... uh... out there lol. Gotta love the chicken train song at the end haha! It was also good to see Ben make a reappearance. He was super cool in the episode you had with him earlier. I wish Mike could've got the cards he wanted but maybe next time!
No doubt!! Thanks for tuning in Jake!
@@CHASINGCARDBOARDyou’re welcome! Keep it up!
We’re trying.
In the 90's when u walked into a card shop well before PCA was around you could possibly see some of these vintage cards marked at 400 and up for the top names like Aaron and Mays. The commons aren't worth much. Though its a great story and a personal collection holds a great deal more than monetary value, they just aren't worth much today. I wouldn't have offered more that 4k tops for what I seen. You take a huge risk with vintage, overpaying isn't something you do as a collector or investor.
Ricky is a smooth business man that is for sure
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You can resell all those cards for over $30,000.
No... you can't. If you watched until the end, it was sold to a buyer who paid "comps" for the collection.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD $3800 is nowhere near comps. Making the old guy think $30k worth of cards is only worth $3800 is taking advantage of the elderly and inexperienced. Let’s be real, people like that old man are the easiest to take advantage of and that’s exactly what happened. You gathered that info, that he is clueless, when you initially started the conversation with him to see how much he knows
@@user-cc3ym3qc4x yeah, its EXTREMELY close to comps….in fact, after two months of trying to sell those cards it was the best offer he received. (He had it publicly listed)
Selling all of these cards (even if some of them are PC Cards) is A LOT of work, people saying this was a lowball offer simply don’t understand the value of time nor do they understand how negotiating works. Apparently neither does the seller.
Couldn’t agree with you more Scott!
I recently bought a brand new car and one of the dealerships was pretty upset that I wasn't willing to give them a counter offer, it was because they tried to sell me the car for 8k above other written offers and went 1200$ under other offers for my tradein. I'm guessing no counter offer here for the same reason.
Yes
I love this story 😊❤ and great buy also
Glad you enjoy it!
A buyer could verify in advance that all the decisionmakers will be present and ready to sell.
Not that easy. Most sellers are ambiguous.
Not an insult offer, its reality people.
Ben paid up because he knows vintage is the best investment long term.
Ben is a collector. Mike was looking for keep couple but resell the rest. As a show, we sell cards to produce more episodes!
I appreciate that you guys went and found a collector who was willing to pay closer to retail. You didn’t have to do that. Guy probably would have taken less. The $4k counter was smart on his part but I doubt he knew the true value.
Thanks. That's definitely how we felt as well.
I picked the Big Train too.
Haha
Selling to anyone other than a fellow collector requires taking wholesale pricing.
Lowball offer. And saying they need to be graded is BS, just another way to undercut the owner. Did you happen to find a couple Rock autos in there 😂😂😂😂
Not sure if you heard… the Rock auto came back real…. So that joke isn’t very relevant anymore. 😂
2000 was very low, glad you came up some.
It was low on purpose. If Ricky came back with $4k, Mike was ready to raise his offer. It’s negotiating 101.
I think when making an offer that would be considered low you need to gauge the actual seller's motivation/emotion of why they are selling. I don't see anything necessarily wrong with a 50% offer but if the seller is somewhat tied to the cards you may lose a deal by going this path. Its just a reality that some sellers may be rigid in negotiations while others are pretty liberal and like the back and forth. A lower offer could insult the seller (whether intentional or not). I can see playing this game with another dealer who may be motivated to move inventory, but i feel collectors are more emotional about their collections and what they think they are worth. A buyer must also be willing to walk away if the pricing doesn't work for you either.
We’ve walked away many times. We always look up the cops, and we’ve done this enough to know what things sell for, and what most cards are worth. We have sold hundreds of thousands of cards over the last couple of years, the market is rocky. Plus whenever buying Raul autographs, You should never pay retail price, they could be fake.
Id love to see what my dads collection would be valued at. Hes in his mid 60s and has baseball cards mint he got when he was 6 or 7yo. Most from the 50s and 60s.
Where you located? Email us at collections@chasingcardboard.tv
I find these videos of u chasing cardboard in the top 10% of my card hobby viewing on ubute…. its like a documentary… please keep them going...
We aim too!
This was awesome
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You guys do an awesome job of showing the process and being pretty transparent. I understand that you have to start somewhere in a negotiation but I think in a video like this where you guys have the knowledge and seller does not, then it is simply not about getting it for the lowest price. I think taking a picture of what was there and coming back to him with a price would have made sense. When he mentioned he wanted to talk to his son and he couldn’t get him on the phone, no need to get frustrated. It made Mike look like that used car salesman trying to get a deal right now. I just think that isn’t who Mike is and maybe would reconsider the next time. I am happy abdeal was made and that both parties are happy. Keep up the great videos!!!
He wanted those cards pretty bad. When the man said " I'll have to talk to my son he said "can you call him now". Come on man, you know those cards are worth more than 2500 hundred dollars.
They always come up with that excuse, " well I'll have to get them graded and althenticated, there's got to be a little meat on the bone for me".
Just give the cards to your grandchildren and a little knowledge of their true worth.
I'd pay 3200, good episode so far
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This buyer made himself look so bad in this video. You tell the guy that you're looking to fill your collection and three minutes later you try to explain that the cost of grading everything is going to affect your offer amount. Sleazy.
Nah.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD How blind the greedy are.
Haha
Enjoyed this episode a lot despite the clickbait title.
Shhhh
Personally, I think the $2000 starting offer was on the low side, but fair. There actually was a fair amount of risk in the deal. Although I believed the seller's story of how he got the autos, for them to have any real value most collectors will want authentication. And that will require time, work, and more money to get them authenticated. And what if they didn't come back as authentic?
Glad you see things the way Mike did. Thanks for watching.
Fair? How is that anywhere close to fair? He could sell the signed Aaron for over $2k! The remainder would be pure profit!
How is someones opinion at psa any better than someone saying they got it in person? All you're getting from psa is a holder and an opinion and I've seen plenty of cards slabbed by psa with obviously fake autos.
@@johnwayne9828 I agree, PSA is just someone's opinion. But right or wrong, collector's will almost always pay more for an autograph that has been authenticated.
What if the autos are fake? That is a risk we are not taking. So we have to make our estimates in a safe place.
2k was too low, even considering cost and time.. 4k was reasonable.
The price depends on how many cards are from the high number series. Those can fetch some significantly higher prices.
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$2,000 was a safe starting point of negotiating. Even though Ricky has stories behind the autos, that alone does not authenticate them. I have looked atcollections with lots of stories behind them. It only takes getting burned once to teach you that you have to be careful when spending thousands of dollars. For a reseller, you have to leave room for fakes. Same with condition. You can make your best estimate on condition/grade, but opinions vary. At least graded cards are done by a third party with no vested interest in the individual card. Perhaps a better offer on this collection would have been a contingency on authentic autos and conditions. Like, if these come back as authentic and these come back above a certain grade I will give you an additional amount.
This!!!
Good points.
But you'll trust someones opinion on authenticity from psa? I've seen plenty of "autographs" in slabs that are obvious fakes.
@@johnwayne9828 Plenty? I personally would not be qualified enough to make that call (no background in validating autographs). But if I want an opinion on authenticity, yes, I would certainly want to get an opinion from a reputable company that publicly has a lot to lose from being wrong. How else should someone attempt to validate a signature? If your argument here is that errors do get made, then I agree. People can be fooled and some fakes are better than others. So, there are no fool proof ways to authenticate autographs. You are only encapsulating a card with the opinion of someone with more knowledge on the subject and a lot more resources to make that opinion than me.
I’m not going to bash about a low number but a lot of people buy large lots on eBay for really good money and that is even if they are in Very Good condition. Based on the eye appeal these cards looked to be better than very good and a lot of bidders are like Mike, looking to buy bulk to start or finish a set and bulk for each of these years rarely come up. People will over pay to get what they need and then offset that buy selling the lower grade cards they already have for sets and upgrading with cards that this guy had. Obviously don’t sell the star cards with the lots but with as many cards from all different series that he had each of the lots bulked by each year would get this guys thousands per lot. Add in the star cards even in raw condition individually and he could have made a fortune.
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An offer of $2000 was low...too low, especially if some were planned for PC. I am happy to see Ricky received $3800, although that might have been a stretch - $3,000 might have been the sweet spot if some were going to the PC. The title and image "HE REFUSED TO SELL" also seemed a bit click baity, based on what was filmed (maybe he refused to sell and we didn't see that)." He said he needed to talk with his son before he could give you a response. The fact that it took two months was likely indicative of his emotional connection to the cards and less so about him stunning you by "refusing" to sell.
Well he did refuse to sell. And Mikes offer was AN OFFER. it was not his last offer. Ricky didn’t come back to him with a price until two months later. Plus, what if the autos were fake? How would you feel about paying $4k for fake autos?! ummmmm…. Gulp!!!
@@CHASINGCARDBOARDthat would be a ROCKy slope to climb
*The Rock auto was real.
Go watch our reveal video… it’s in our Live video section.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD as real as most the psa 10s lol
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD The video did not show multiple offers that were refused, at least from what I saw. Maybe I missed that? Ricky did take two months to respond, which is pretty ridiculous if, in fact, his rationale for not accepting the original offer of $2,000 was that he had to "check in with his son." I feel badly for his son if it takes two months to check in on something like that!
To be clear: I don't think Mike's offer was ridiculously low. In fact, I probably would have offered less than that as I am not into autos for my PC, like Mike is. My questioning of the offer was more about the delta between what was going to be going into Mike's PC vs. what was going into the online store for resale. If I am buying for my PC, I tend to offer a bit more than if I am buying for resale if the purchase is from a collector. But, I suppose each of us are different in that regard. I thought $3800 was high, for me, but if the autos are what you're into, then there were some nice ones there.
In terms of autos being real or fake, that's not really my steez as I don't acquire autos for PC or resale. It's not a lake I choose to swim in but I can appreciate the appeal. I agree, paying $4,000 for fake autos would not have been high on my priority list either. Even paying $2,000 for fake autos would not have been my cup of tea. All in all, the episode ending made it right. Ricky got what he wanted for the cards and the other fella got some nice vintage cards with autos. Overall, solid episode despite the title which did, IMO, feel a bit on the click baity side. This show is so well done, even the semblance of a click bait-ish title is not needed IMO. The show quality speaks for itself and I appreciate the work that goes into them - keep chasing:)
I know thus probably has nothing to do with anything, but I was wondering how far Mike made it in his baseball career? I loved seeing the younger pictures there, and that story was interesting too. Jim Sundberg sounds like he was a great guy! Well, thanks if you answer my question and I thought this episode was another great one!
I played into college at the Air Force Academy. Once I got into college it felt very much like a job and as much as I loved the game, I just didn't play well and that was the end of it.
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Do you ever come to Northern Michigan?
Not yet
Was that gentlemen a former Marine ? Semper Fi
GTMO
Are you doing a follow up on this deal?
We did. Keep watching the episode.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD I don’t see any update on the older cards.
Ah gotcha. You asking about the cards Ben bought… those are going into his collection.
Love it.....
Glad you love it!
I sold 200 1959 Topps baseball Commons on eBay and they only bring,50 cents and they where in very good to excellent condition
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Everyone loves sausage but not many like seeing how the sausage is made. This was a great episode, it’s unfortunate that Mikes starting offer is what alot of people are glued on. No one wants to see a seller get taken advantage of but the cold hard truth is- buyers are trying to make money, and 20-30% isn’t enough to pay the bills. Glad to see Mike brought in Ben to make a deal and this awesome collection, with the provenance of Ricky’s stories, is now curated!
Mike was waiting for an rebuttal offer from Ricky. Didn’t happen. Mike would have paid more. But, he has to be cautious with those autos. What if they’re fake.
So bringing ben got you the cards but cost you 1800.00 more and if cardsgrade authentic as believed at 2,000 you would have doubled your profit and at your price yes it was a low ball offer at 2,000 kudos to ricky for renegotiating deal.
Ben is a collector. Collector often pay more. Mikes intention was to keep couple and sell the rest. Can’t make money real king when you pay full price.
And for Ben’s sake… we hope those autos are real! 😬
60% used to sound like a low ball offer to me before I watching a card pricing video by Baseball Collector Investor Dealer. Now it makes perfect sense.
Was the collection only worth 4-5k? To Mike it was.
Yes Chris explains is very well. We can’t buy retail prices or eBay comps because we have too much time invested. If you wanna see another episode… we need money to pay for the next collection, the gas, hotels, etc! It gets expensive! Haha
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD yes, good point
Thanks for understanding
I would have paid 4 k personally but im a set builder
That’s why we brought Ben back. He’s a set builder too.
The offer was an insult and that’s why there was no counter offer. I do the same thing when I get low balled
No... it was not an insult. It was an offer. If you get offended by an offer, you shouldn't try to sell things.
I'm going back and watching all the episodes I missed..my work season starts in April and I can't wait to buy a hat to show my support. In the couple months I've been on CZcams your channel is #1 for me, helping me learn a lot since I've been out of the hobby for the last 15 years ...Thank you and keep chasing ❤
We’ll have some hats at the Dallas card show in a couple of weeks.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD I'm in Massachusetts..lol
I think the DOG really knew the value of everything in the room, I think fair price would've been $3,250.00 but $3800 ain't bad.
Keep in mind, Ben is a collector. We are resellers, so we’re wanting the best deal for us. But we’re also glad we were able to find a buyer that made Ricky happy.
@@CHASINGCARDBOARD I think overall for sure $3800 ain't bad on the collector side but even as a collector you want to be a little lower as a whole BUT the $3800 is much more in line with value than the $2K offer no doubt about it. Still think the DOG needs his own card show channel, some of the dog b roll looks were hilarious.
Its very difficult when people dont have a price. I am not sure if they do have a price but they dont way to say
Not sure Ricky did. And Mike was 100% ready to come up on his price. Hard to negotiate when only one person is doing the work.
i would not pay 4k for those cards 2k was fair it cost him pennies i consider that a good return and you be doing all the work 2k would of been my max
Thanks for your feedback
You were trying to negotiate and start with a lower offer with someone who was not use to that. Know your audience
Nope not the case. Off camera, he knew what he was doing. Thanks for watching.
Really enjoyable. Missed ty's energy for the first half but Ricky was great to watch. Good for him for sticking to his guns on his price.
Thanks. Ty will be back in a few weeks.
What’s so wrong with a buyer trying to get a deal?
It’s not allowed. You have to pay full price. 🤣
Thank you Mike, Ty, Ben, and the Chasing Cardboard team for this episode.
Ricky seems like a character! Keep up the great work, gents. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
I'd rather watch Chumlee on Pawn Stars fumble around the shop than see this Mike guy complain about someone not countering his ridiculous offer? Who says someone has to counter any offer?? Quit your whining and allow people to do as they please, when they please with their cards!
@CHASINGCARDBOARD wow, you need a new day job pal....I love the content but if this is Mike commenting here, you are doing the channel a disservice.
@@templebird Thanks for tuning in. Appreciate the support
@templebird … so you can confirm the autos are real?
@@thepullsportscards no, but I have a friend who specializes in guaranteeing The Rock autos.
@@templebird so does CC… and they got it right.
Why should buyers like yourselves have the mindset of buying cards as cheap as they can when these people are happy to let you in their house. Maybe, the right mindset should be wow. I will never find these old cards again and offer a good price where the seller would maybe be overpaid and happy with the offer instead of buyers buying something where you know you lowballed someone? I love how you give your side of it and give a sentimental story after. Oh how heartfelt. Thank you so much. 😂
Is that Owen Wilson in old face?
Ha
Good to see Mike taking a turn at first banana. Been thinking about where things fell off. People have already named that Mike needed to chose a lane as a collector or dealer when providing a narrative for his offer. Mike talked up his desire for cards for his collection but then put on a dealer hat in terms of needing to offer 60%. Was the asking for a discount supposed to be a bridge to a conversation with the shop owner that got cut? If so, why leave it in? Finally, and the big one, was the lack of narrative intro to Ben. You needed to explain that Ben, as a collector, was looking to buy closer to market - or that he was more willing to take on the risk. A clear transition to Ben driving the deal for the third act was needed. Great character selection, though. This seller had some good stories.
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Amazing video. Good for Ricky but man that'd be hard to let go of something from over 60 years ago!
#facts!!
I deal in art and people often ask me how I get certain pieces......and some of them I obtain from collectors. What makes a collector sell? I call it " DDD" with a happy "R". Let me define it:
Divorce
Death
Devastation (this could be medical or your car broke down)
The happy "R" ?
Retirement
ben to the rescue :)
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Like Rick Harrison say I will give you $100 not a penny more