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  • @MaxTechOfficial
    @MaxTechOfficial  Před měsícem +34

    THIS is the ARM Laptop you should buy right now ($50 OFF) ➡ geni.us/qk6qhg

    • @Yusufyusuf-lh3dw
      @Yusufyusuf-lh3dw Před měsícem +3

      Qualcomm is entering the pc market, not at the best time. (Ignoring previous releases). If they entered PC market in 2019 or 2020, it would have been a different story. Now for Apple there is M series chips and intel has already come out of their 10nm debacle. The core ultra series seems quite impressive and the next core ultra (lunar lake and arrow Lake) are around the corner. There is very little that we can gain by going to Qualcomm now. Secondly, for Qualcomm, it's going to be a real struggle now with application compatibility. Nobody buys a laptop for the benchmark scores.

    • @DukenukemX
      @DukenukemX Před měsícem +1

      Would make an expensive door stop.

    • @songoku9094
      @songoku9094 Před měsícem +2

      @@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw seriously dude ? current core ultra doesn't pose any threat to this new Qualcomm cpu. The only advantage Intel has is the support of applications and games their product has on windows

    • @froxkun
      @froxkun Před měsícem +1

      Maybe if they release it in an Android Tablet like ipad m2 🤔

    • @anires1195
      @anires1195 Před měsícem +1

      @@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw competition is good.

  • @jamiermathlin
    @jamiermathlin Před měsícem +547

    I am an Apple guy, for good reasons, however having an ARM windows chip is great news, as Max says it will keep Apple focused. We all remember 10 years of no progress from Intel because they dominated the market, completion is good for us all !

    • @Noname12........641
      @Noname12........641 Před měsícem +21

      how can u live without customisation and the fact that you dont own the hardware u use

    • @richertz
      @richertz Před měsícem +20

      @@Noname12........641if machines can be decently setup and specced right there should be no need for customisation. However I think as arm chips continue to develop you’ll get more options in the future if demand is high enough.

    • @Noname12........641
      @Noname12........641 Před měsícem +12

      @@richertzyep thats what expected from the apple users
      no need for customisation seriously

    • @richertz
      @richertz Před měsícem +13

      @@Noname12........641I’m a windows user 😅 I just use my time better

    • @jamiermathlin
      @jamiermathlin Před měsícem +21

      @@Noname12........641 that sounds like someone who has not lived and worked with apple ! I have both Windows and Apple machines, right tool for the right job, games and graphics based software, windows everytime, creation, productivity, video editing, photos and work, Apple, no crashing, everything just works. The video editing is in another league 🙂

  • @KarthikMumadi
    @KarthikMumadi Před měsícem +413

    Linux will take this chips to another level

    • @user-ml3tk6yt3m
      @user-ml3tk6yt3m Před měsícem +4

      why ?

    • @clemenslangenberger4791
      @clemenslangenberger4791 Před měsícem +36

      Only if there's proper support by Qualcomm. So far Linux on ARM seems to be mostly happening on single board computers.

    • @ourmarkas
      @ourmarkas Před měsícem +60

      @@user-ml3tk6yt3m linux is faster than windows, faster read & write

    • @HypeXesk
      @HypeXesk Před měsícem

      @@clemenslangenberger4791Linux happened on M1

    • @Sheerwinter
      @Sheerwinter Před měsícem +1

      ​@@ourmarkasyup linux is good for development, and open-source environment. :) we can optimise this chip on linux for apps.
      This is a good chip which helps us linux users to move to laptop environment.

  • @VitiateTheImmortal
    @VitiateTheImmortal Před měsícem +127

    Snapdragon got a bright future

    • @inamulbhuyan
      @inamulbhuyan Před měsícem

      Yes Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

    • @caucasia_lucas
      @caucasia_lucas Před měsícem +17

      Only if software follows

    • @Ilost11
      @Ilost11 Před měsícem +10

      Apple has a much better eco-system to rope in developers. If there isn't a protocol in hardware/software to get good x86 performance on non native ARM apps it will be junk. All of which Apple had at launch. Microsoft launched the original surface on ARM more than a decade ago and even had ARM variants of windows. Yet despite more than a decade of developing on ARM and having first adopters advantage they're still far behind the curve in software. I trust Qualcomm a lot more with hardware than I trust windows to get their software optimized for ARM near term.

    • @Noname12........641
      @Noname12........641 Před měsícem +2

      nvidia is also coming to the arm

    • @oKokimaru
      @oKokimaru Před měsícem

      brighter than my future

  • @fumblerooskie
    @fumblerooskie Před měsícem +138

    This is a very good thing. Apple needs direct competition to keep it from turning into Adobe.

    • @magicstarfish
      @magicstarfish Před měsícem +2

      I think the benchmarks should compare with similar TDP processors.

  • @itsacookie1
    @itsacookie1 Před měsícem +65

    I hope Microsoft takes ARM builds seriously and the rest of the industry follows. After using a Apple M chip laptop its near impossible to go back to x86 laptops that run hot, loud and have terrible battery life.

    • @rolih6
      @rolih6 Před měsícem

      Tell me one windows producr that they were trend setters and industry followed them? The only good thing from microsoft is their ms office since everyone is locked in in word and excel and compatibility with SAP.. if they would not have it everyone would be on mac.. and we will see how this will evolve once everything goes on cloud.

    • @Gin2341
      @Gin2341 Před měsícem +7

      @@rolih6 DirectX for gaming, till this day you can't still play triple A games on a Macbook

    • @ahqsoftwares
      @ahqsoftwares Před 26 dny

      It is indeed taking arm seriously now

    • @xaiphersk5687
      @xaiphersk5687 Před 26 dny

      @@Gin2341Bro, mac can run baldur's gate 3.

    • @Gin2341
      @Gin2341 Před 26 dny

      @@ahqsoftwares you mean it runs like shit even at low settings with fsr performance mode

  • @binhtranquoc8777
    @binhtranquoc8777 Před měsícem +132

    If snapdragon CPU could use Graphic card from nvidia or AMD then Apple will be in trouble !

    • @ataytaygaraev4298
      @ataytaygaraev4298 Před měsícem +37

      I prefer longer battery life over graphic performance. Hope they will come with MUX switch

    • @esbanfx5876
      @esbanfx5876 Před měsícem +1

      If possible

    • @GesuCrypto
      @GesuCrypto Před měsícem

      @@ataytaygaraev4298 for gaming it will need good GPU

    • @evancycles
      @evancycles Před měsícem +12

      That assumes, Apple and others are going to stand still. I agree better Arm chips are coming to Windows, and will alter the landscape. However, I am mindful of these CZcams videos sensationalizing everything for views.

    • @e5211
      @e5211 Před měsícem +7

      @@ataytaygaraev4298 graphics can stay idle until required, so battery isn't really an issue. only thing would be weight.

  • @rg975
    @rg975 Před měsícem +275

    I doubt it will be any more powerful than the m3’s, but the fact that windows users finally get access to good arm chips is good to see. Competition is what we need in desktop/laptop arm CPUs, it will push Apple to make them even better, massive consumer W

    • @robertbolzicco9995
      @robertbolzicco9995 Před měsícem +21

      A decent answer that's not fanboy apple or windows. Competition is good, I agree. I want to see more arm windows laptops. Everyone knew x86 was aging like milk but so many things depend on it working flawless it was hard to change. Apple could make the switch be ause they didn't power anything but apps on the laptop and word.... Easy to change the game when you're basically not in it as a real player. I mean they had marketshare but it wasn't for business or productivity. They made the switch easily and it worked. Let's hope intel/amd/Qualcomm do the same and jump on the arm movement.

    • @Noname12........641
      @Noname12........641 Před měsícem +29

      they dont need to be better they just need to be more affordable
      people will choose windows over mac any day

    • @robertbolzicco9995
      @robertbolzicco9995 Před měsícem

      @@Noname12........641 mac is or was a status symbol. You have people on social.assictance.bying mac to be cool but can't buy food. They buy it just to look at facebook and snapchat and google docs. It's sad.

    • @divyanshbhutra5071
      @divyanshbhutra5071 Před měsícem +13

      Windows is still trashbag of an OS. Even Qualcomm used Linux scores for their presentations.

    • @EverRusting
      @EverRusting Před měsícem +9

      I honestly don't care about these laptops but I want these chips to be in handheld gaming devices like Legion Go

  • @alsimplicio
    @alsimplicio Před měsícem +39

    Ok…in a “Lab environment” the chips look great….what about “real life use”? That we will have to wait…

    • @fidelisitor8953
      @fidelisitor8953 Před měsícem +7

      Lab environment?! I bet you'd do great in a circus. Lab tests many at times don't show the true performance of chips. Some optimizations here and there with some driver updates can make the X Elite perform even better than in this “lab environment”.

    • @regicoco904
      @regicoco904 Před měsícem +3

      @@fidelisitor8953 Lab tests don't show true performance. It's always optimistic performance

    • @mwat22
      @mwat22 Před měsícem +2

      Windows pcs don't care about aesthetics so heat sinks will be adequate that's for sure

    • @pranavsharma7479
      @pranavsharma7479 Před měsícem

      Lab environment thats a proper pc that is being used

  • @mistakek
    @mistakek Před měsícem +16

    Hopefully they eventually come out with desktop CPU's. That's where things will get exciting.

  • @Jackson33oroToro
    @Jackson33oroToro Před měsícem +8

    Wow, I would love to see that. Thanks for the content!

  • @hologramwall
    @hologramwall Před měsícem +11

    Wow! Came out right on time.

  • @andrewufc71
    @andrewufc71 Před měsícem +8

    excellent. thanks for my daily fix

  • @RirtyDascal
    @RirtyDascal Před měsícem +11

    7:31 or egpu's! That would be wonderful. It's the only thing I feel Apple silicon is missing out on.

  • @N3tigen
    @N3tigen Před měsícem +13

    Do we also see more Arm processor
    In mini pc or Qualcomm also have more plans in Arm based computer.😮

    • @inamulbhuyan
      @inamulbhuyan Před měsícem

      Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Před 26 dny

      If you mean desktop, that's not so important since on the desktop, Intel x86 are still the fastest and cheapest processors.
      But I'm sure Qualcomm will be making an ARM chip for desktop eventually, for those super concerned about heat.

  • @Techonsapevole
    @Techonsapevole Před měsícem

    Thanks for the Speedometer benchmark, can you run the tests also on Linux?

  • @GamesCell
    @GamesCell Před měsícem +7

    Hackintosh community days after release: let’s make the ARM version of Mac work on ARM Windows computers!

    • @MainInternetUser
      @MainInternetUser Před 18 dny

      That's exactly what i thought 😂. They made ryzen hackintosh so why not arm hackintosh ? It will be hard but surely it's possible. Some guys installed Android on iPhone (with checkra1n) so why not ?

  • @simoneh4732
    @simoneh4732 Před měsícem +7

    At the moment I think Snapdragon is going after Intel/AMD laptop market more than Apple.

  • @SuperPudley
    @SuperPudley Před měsícem +7

    Is there any information about these chips for desktops?

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Před 26 dny +1

      They aren't for desktops, yet. x86 desktops kill these things in performance because they can do much better cooling.

  • @TommyAzzino-yt1iz
    @TommyAzzino-yt1iz Před měsícem +4

    Is there a specific benchmark focused on energy-efficient operations? (Not sure but I might have missed this in the comparisons)
    I would be nice to see the differences with x86 and Apple ARM in this context.

  • @Proudarse
    @Proudarse Před měsícem +2

    What about all the Windows apps? How will they work on ARM? Will Microsoft introduce something similar to Rosetta for on the fly conversion from x86 to ARM, or will the ARM version of Windows only support ARM based apps? Thanks

    • @ukyoize
      @ukyoize Před měsícem

      Well, I doubt there is ARM windows port of Witcher 3

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Před 26 dny +1

      All the big name Windows software is already ported to ARM, except games. But gamers also largely use desktop CPUs, which have great cooling and don't really need ARM chips because they're still the fastest chips available, with big, beefy GPUs.

  • @brachiator1
    @brachiator1 Před měsícem +11

    It will be interesting to see what happens when these chips are actually available in products.

    • @richi2870
      @richi2870 Před měsícem

      Will come soon, in Summer:)

  • @ahaimes6320
    @ahaimes6320 Před měsícem +144

    I did not see performance per watt or efficiency. The lack of data suggests something may be less exciting . Of course, by having 12 performance cores, 50% more than the M3 chip it would be a shocker if the multicore score was not better! I do not think Apple is worried about this. Maybe Intel, but they have been worried for years due to their poor record of upgrades over the last 5-7 years. Then we have to understand these tests are done in perfect condition on reference devices with fans and large casing probably with max RAM and the fastest SSD. When we test with Macs with the same configs when in a retail unit running on Windows in real world tests maybe with non-ARM software, then the reality may not be as rosy.

    • @shitvideoquality4856
      @shitvideoquality4856 Před měsícem +12

      Exactly, that’s what I’m most curious about. In the cinebench multi core test what matter the most in this situations is not how many score you can get out of it, because anyone can just clock up or put more cores in. Rather it’s more about performance per watt

    • @jeanbaptistelabelle
      @jeanbaptistelabelle Před měsícem +15

      That is why the real comparison will be against Intel 14th gen. Last year, a Surface Pro 9 in ARM flavor was like less than half the performance of the Intel version.
      If this year, the ARM version is at the level of the new Intel chip (quite more powerful that last year), this is a giant LEAP and if the ARM chip has a significant advantage in term of consumption, we may be for an "M chip moment" on Windows side. Very interesting.
      And yes, I do think both Intel and Apple are worried. Apple gained suddenly market share because of the M chip. If Windows machines can offer the same level of autonomy (performance was never an issue but rather performance per watts and therefore cooling/form factor...) than Mac, then, Mac sales will become again a tough sell for most.

    • @kushunadkat9087
      @kushunadkat9087 Před měsícem +2

      It is truly remarkable that but a diminutive fraction of the populace comprehends this verity.

    • @blinblinthing
      @blinblinthing Před měsícem +15

      It was Elite 950 @ 23 WATTS (41.3 PPW) vs M3 1010 @ 25 WATTS (40.4 PPW) in Cinebench.
      I doubt it going to substantially higher wattage variations in the other tests.
      If Apple doesn't to worry, then they shouldn't

    • @blinblinthing
      @blinblinthing Před měsícem +8

      @@shitvideoquality4856 Qualcomm had the better Performance Per Watt in the Cinebench test.

  • @behappybevegan
    @behappybevegan Před měsícem +3

    And the price will be?

  • @TDCIYB77
    @TDCIYB77 Před měsícem +19

    Even more important than performance: Will MSFT make such a well designed compatibility layer like Apple made?

    • @crestofhonor2349
      @crestofhonor2349 Před měsícem +7

      The compatibility layer isn't that bad and works. The issue stems from the earlier chips which were all smartphone chips, which are far weaker than laptop chips

    • @kararzanboor800
      @kararzanboor800 Před měsícem

      there are one right now, it's not the best, but it's good to a degree for now

  • @michaelkovalsky4907
    @michaelkovalsky4907 Před měsícem +10

    I think a bigger question would be apps: Mac is sufficiently popular, especially amongst power users, to where it can force companies to make an ARM native solution. Uncertain if Windows has that leverage as it is a question of how many will buy computers with the X Elite, and is it worth their time. I assume if it compiles for the M line of chips it doesn't necessarily mean it will just be a plug and play for X Elite.

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Před 26 dny

      Windows is far more popular on the desktop than Mac, and with Microsoft backing ARM, we've already seen all the big software packages provide ARM versions. I believe all the game devs are going to be providing ARM versions soon, particularly indies like me.
      Most internally developed business apps in the last decade are .Net or Java based, which are processor agnostic, so those aren't much of an issue. The biiig lagger here is going to be companies who make security and management software to sell to other business, and big corporations, who move super slowly. But consumers are not going to be a problem IMO.

    • @TheSonoranSniper
      @TheSonoranSniper Před 5 dny

      what exactly are "power users"

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Před 5 dny

      @@TheSonoranSniper Expert users of particular feature rich applications, mainly. Quasi-expert users.

  • @anandlakkaraju6825
    @anandlakkaraju6825 Před měsícem +4

    Were the Snapdragons plugged in when the benchmarks ran ?

    • @Mooooov0815
      @Mooooov0815 Před měsícem

      They probably where. However, 23W power draw for the entire system is absolutely no issue to be consistently delivered from battery

  • @lsbargaoanu
    @lsbargaoanu Před měsícem +1

    Interesting and useful video!

  • @ianhys
    @ianhys Před měsícem +3

    Wish to see some retail products at Computex this year.

  • @einstien2409
    @einstien2409 Před měsícem +3

    Imagine an RTX 4070 with these Xelite cpus. In a laptop.

  • @MapleEmpire
    @MapleEmpire Před měsícem +217

    M3 Max comparison is needed, it's not fair to compare elite and ultra chips to base M3

    • @jeanbaptistelabelle
      @jeanbaptistelabelle Před měsícem +54

      M chip is not available for Windows so the real interest is the comparison in term of power and consumption between an Intel 14th gen and the ARM version. That is what consumer wants to know. In term of comparing with Apple, first, Apple has no hybrid like a Surface. And speaking only of laptop then, the question will be to see what offers a 1700$ Samsung Galaxy Book Edge 4 with this Snapdragon compared to a 512go, 16Go of RAM 1700$ 14" Apple Mac. What chip do you have in a Mac Pro for this price? M3 Ultra?

    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl Před měsícem

      ofc Apple has no ""hybrid" because that's just stupid beyond imagination, and it shows when you try it out.
      the real Problem is the windows and PC ecosystem which will die imo.
      running apps in arm will nowhere near rosetta i guarantee you that.
      and this is the elephant in the room.
      i see no future for windows, intel, nvidia or AMD, they are all dead long term.@@jeanbaptistelabelle

    • @TamasKiss-yk4st
      @TamasKiss-yk4st Před měsícem +5

      @jeanbaptistelabelle Mac Pro have at least M3 Pro chip.. not the basic M3, and wih 50% more cores even the M3 Pro will perform better like the regular M3.. (and with M2 vs M2 Pro the diff is even higher), and remember in their announcement event they just hided the comparison against the M2 Max.. and actually now the M2 Max has about the same price tag like the M3 Pro..

    • @richi2870
      @richi2870 Před měsícem +82

      Sure, you want compare a 6000€ M3 Max vs an Snapdragon X Elite looool
      Whats wrong with you?!

    • @peterbreis5407
      @peterbreis5407 Před měsícem +7

      @@richi2870 So how much is the Snapdragon X Elite?

  • @mukukakondowe5939
    @mukukakondowe5939 Před měsícem +2

    This is the reason why the M1 laptop is selling for 700 dollars at best buy and Walmart. Great job Qualcomm hope you continue making such great chips going forward.

  • @scottmtaylor1
    @scottmtaylor1 Před měsícem +2

    Why compare most benchmarks with M2, not M3? Also which M2 / M3 version?

  • @N.K.---
    @N.K.--- Před měsícem +5

    X86 is not going anywhere yet 😂

  • @lairdinho
    @lairdinho Před měsícem +18

    Problem is, M3 has been out in products you can buy for a while and we're still waiting for the very first laptop, tablet, anything with the Qualcomm chip. It looks like a decent chip but there's plenty of work to do. They'll need to execute flawlessly to ensure it's relevant on the market. Ultimately this first chip will lose money, you'd think. They'll need to iterate it quickly and maybe the second or third gen chip will be a big success. I wish them well, the added competition is very welcome.

    • @blinblinthing
      @blinblinthing Před měsícem +8

      The Intel products were out before M1 came out also.
      End of the day, more competition, better for us consumers.

    • @lairdinho
      @lairdinho Před měsícem +1

      @@blinblinthing No Intel Meteor Lake only came out at the end of last years, years after M1 launched.

    • @blinblinthing
      @blinblinthing Před měsícem +1

      @@lairdinho I didn't mention meteor lake, I'm just saying Intel products were out before M1, meaning, just thinking you shouldn't worry because brand x is out first isn't an accurate statement.

    • @robertbolzicco9995
      @robertbolzicco9995 Před měsícem +2

      They will need windows support and app support to make it happen. Even if it's better and faster if the programs are not there it's not gonna help.

    • @lairdinho
      @lairdinho Před měsícem

      @@robertbolzicco9995 Some good emulation would help. Apple silicon Macs run old x86 code surprisingly well.

  • @wardwillems2891
    @wardwillems2891 Před měsícem

    It looks promising as a development but is the integration of hardware and software comparable with able? And if not, when do they expect to reach that level. Because then it would be an interesting alternative foor me.

  • @pedrosmmc
    @pedrosmmc Před 16 dny

    Question here:
    Does it perform the same when unplugged from the wall?

  • @mutovkin
    @mutovkin Před měsícem +3

    Would love to know if Qualcomm is working having first class Linux support as Intel does. Without full linux driver support while impressive this is irrelevant for software developers, however, if there is support I would think we would have for the first time in 4 years competition to Mac for developers.

    • @RustedCroaker
      @RustedCroaker Před 27 dny

      And knowing the Qualcomm history in this regard, I wouldn't hold my breath

  • @btw9241
    @btw9241 Před měsícem +13

    All hail Apple for taking ARM to where it should be. However, the heating issue persists.

    • @-MrEVIL-
      @-MrEVIL- Před měsícem +3

      Thats an apple issue
      Windows on arm won't have that

    • @xritics19
      @xritics19 Před měsícem

      Let the Linux kernel fix this issue in the futur for linux users ;) However, Snapdragon makes ARM cpu's everyday since long long time...Snapdragon knows ARM better than Apple. Just a thing...I don't know why Snapdragon didn't come to the PC market sooner and destroy the X86. They've been capable of it for a long time, I think.

    • @rigen97
      @rigen97 Před měsícem +2

      @@xritics19 Snapdragon (and Mediatek for that matter) do have products in laptop market...as Chromebooks. The problem is that if you want to release products to PC market you need big-name OS behind you, and for the longest time Windows on ARM was quite a joke, and people only use ChromeOS (much less ARM version of ChromeOS) when they _have_ to. Apple, on the other hand, have users that would buy it even if they switched their architecture from the ground up, as proven by the PowerPC to x86 switch way back when.

  • @krishnansrinivasan830
    @krishnansrinivasan830 Před měsícem +1

    We got to learn about the performance of X Elite with Battery & about the long run on intensive tasks :) I really liked it's performance with Davinci Resolve :) Awesome & Thanks :)

  • @tedboggs4569
    @tedboggs4569 Před měsícem +2

    I can't wait to get this kind of power at low wattage in mini PCs too.

  • @harveysmith4424
    @harveysmith4424 Před měsícem +3

    Put that chip in a handheld!

  • @inamulbhuyan
    @inamulbhuyan Před měsícem +4

    Snapdragon X Elite Laptop ❤❤💪🔥

  • @juanlondono2841
    @juanlondono2841 Před měsícem

    thanks for info, great news

  • @sheahestrada2868
    @sheahestrada2868 Před měsícem +2

    I’m excited for ARM chips to make their way to handheld gaming PCs someday and what kind of performance and battery life we might be able to get out of them.

  • @peeyushsharma8408
    @peeyushsharma8408 Před měsícem +26

    Haha love how Snapdragon laptop looks almost like a MacBook (those stickers though!)

    • @blinblinthing
      @blinblinthing Před měsícem +22

      You can argue that just about any laptop looks like another laptop you've seen before

    • @inamulbhuyan
      @inamulbhuyan Před měsícem +1

      Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

    • @crestofhonor2349
      @crestofhonor2349 Před měsícem

      Put it in a Razer laptop and it will look even more like a MacBook

    • @robertbolzicco9995
      @robertbolzicco9995 Před měsícem +4

      I love how apple laptops are used to brows the internet and people just eat them up for word and Facebook.

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 Před měsícem

      😂🤣

  • @mistake0101
    @mistake0101 Před měsícem +1

    But how hot does it get? Battery life in windows?

  • @minciNashu
    @minciNashu Před měsícem

    But how many cores are they benchmarking ? How many cores does the M3 have, or the Snapdragon ? Are they comparing similar levels of SKUs ?

  • @joaopauloalbq
    @joaopauloalbq Před měsícem +3

    9:24 You have to use the same web browser, this comparison makes no sense.

  • @esbanfx5876
    @esbanfx5876 Před měsícem +34

    Snapdragon X Elite at 80W demonstrating how inefficient it is 5:15

    • @jeanbaptistelabelle
      @jeanbaptistelabelle Před měsícem +15

      That is for the complete system, not the chip.

    • @blinblinthing
      @blinblinthing Před měsícem +21

      It was Elite 950 @ 23 WATTS vs M3 1010 @ 25 WATTS (Which isn't inefficient)
      Them showing a High performance (My Guess) mode beating Apple is more to show, if you wanted more performance, you can get it.

    • @chrism869
      @chrism869 Před měsícem +15

      That's not the chip ,that's the whole laptop

    • @inamulbhuyan
      @inamulbhuyan Před měsícem +5

      23 wat also

    • @esbanfx5876
      @esbanfx5876 Před měsícem +7

      By dividing the performance by W, the Snapdragon X Elite obtains 2.3% more performance per consumption compared to the M3, that is good I guess But as you use more W, the performance per W begins to decrease.

  • @eltamarindo
    @eltamarindo Před měsícem +2

    It looks like they also flew Alex Ziskind to this junket. I'm looking forward to his testing when Qualcomm finally releases these for real world testing.

  • @JaredDoyle76
    @JaredDoyle76 Před měsícem +1

    Looking forward to Android tablets with the newer Qualcomm SoCs.

  • @TDCIYB77
    @TDCIYB77 Před měsícem +7

    AMDs new laptop chips also have 45 TOPs, as this is the new baseline required by MSFT for Windows 12. Also AMDs GPUs should blow both Intel and Qualcomm out of the water.

    • @fidelisitor8953
      @fidelisitor8953 Před měsícem

      But at how many watts? Qualcomm will sip power while the AMD will use significantly more power leading to much shorter battery life while unplugged.

    • @TDCIYB77
      @TDCIYB77 Před měsícem +2

      @@fidelisitor8953 Both are 15W class with a cTPD.
      X86 is NOT in general less efficient than Arm, now that Arm too is being scaled from embedded and Phones up to laptops, desktop and server compute.
      The instruction set balloons and gets less efficient if you scale it to high performance compute no matter if Arm, X86 or any other even like RISC-V.
      Latest arch from AMD can scale from low power mobile up to 400W+ server.
      The real efficiency savings come from accelerators like NPUs, hardware codecs, vector instructions and GPU compute.
      And there, all players are now in 2024 much more comparable than even a few months ago.

    • @fidelisitor8953
      @fidelisitor8953 Před měsícem +1

      @@TDCIYB77 "X86 is NOT in general less efficient than Arm" - If that's so then how the hell does Apple's M3 max match AMD's R9 7945HX performance while using less than half the power draw? M3 max uses 50W to produce same performance as the 125W R9 7945HX so that clearly proves that ARM is significantly more efficient than x86.

    • @TDCIYB77
      @TDCIYB77 Před měsícem

      ​@@fidelisitor8953 I am talking about the general instruction sets, and you pick 2 specific models, from 2 specific vendors, with 2 very specific implementation of their respective instruction sets.
      What "performance" do you mean? Normalized to what?
      As i said, real world performance of Apples (and most other vendors today) chips is NOT achieved through some mystical non existent advantage of Arm vs X86.
      But by custom ASICs for codecs, vector math/NPU/GPU compute.
      And this is exactly where the gap has closed in 2024.
      NOT by CPU compute on Arm cores.
      Not that hard to understand.
      On top, while Apples lead CPU designers have left to Nuvia and now Qualcomm, leaving Apples IPC improvements lackluster since M1, AMD has consistently delivered higher IPC increases, while also enabling 512 Vector and NPU compute.
      Arm only locked like a better ISA because Intels lack of innovation and AMD was no competition due to lack of cash until a few years ago.
      The only benefit Arm brings is a license that is a bit more open than X86, and thus enabling new players to compete.
      But with Moores Law being dead in a traditional sense, its accelerators and accelerators ONLY where performance innovation can still happen.
      The ISA is basically irrelevant outside of licensing.
      With enough R&D and software support one could make a competitive RISC-V laptop class chip in 5 years.

    • @neverhonors2688
      @neverhonors2688 Před měsícem

      @@fidelisitor8953 isnt that also because apple m3 use smaller architecture?

  • @SuperRomanHoliday
    @SuperRomanHoliday Před měsícem +4

    Stick it in a steam deck please

  • @TheCentristChad
    @TheCentristChad Před měsícem +2

    Nice. More competition is always better

  • @Snoodlehootberry
    @Snoodlehootberry Před měsícem +1

    It’s nice to see that competition is finally coming to the SOC RISC market

  • @ps3301
    @ps3301 Před měsícem +5

    Wait for the elite x2 for the 100 tops npu on 3nm node.😊

  • @davidtodd2104
    @davidtodd2104 Před měsícem +13

    Performance per watt is the only metric that matters in most of these tests.

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 Před měsícem +8

      In performance per watt the X Elite beats the M3 and M3 Pro

    • @davidtodd2104
      @davidtodd2104 Před měsícem

      @@Pasi123 It’s a shame that we won’t have a proper review by an outlet like anandtech to know for certain.

    • @davidtodd2104
      @davidtodd2104 Před měsícem +2

      @@Pasi123 Without a comprehensive test there is no way to know that. It’s interesting that the X Elite makes little mention of single core performance. I think it’s clear why.

    • @rowaystarco
      @rowaystarco Před měsícem

      Wasn't single core performance mentioned at the end of the video.@@davidtodd2104

    • @RustedCroaker
      @RustedCroaker Před 27 dny

      But not for desktops

  • @BeaglefreilaufKalkar
    @BeaglefreilaufKalkar Před měsícem +2

    I think its great that there is more competition and kicking ass. Apple stil has one advantage, the optimisation of HW and SW, where the Snapdragon for now will have to do with whatever MS brings to the party.

    • @jakejoyride
      @jakejoyride Před měsícem +1

      MS is most valuable company in the world. They have unlimited resources to do this

    • @BeaglefreilaufKalkar
      @BeaglefreilaufKalkar Před měsícem

      @@jakejoyride MS is not the valuable company, but they do have a lot of resources. The question is if they want to allocate these to that.

  • @DeadShark-xe1il
    @DeadShark-xe1il Před 28 dny

    What's the point of arm if it need dgpu?

  • @svenshruufx7380
    @svenshruufx7380 Před měsícem +7

    Nice hardware on paper, but they don't even have a product (notebook) available in the market. Meanwhile Apple already released three generations of highly integrated systems with optimized software. How does Qualcomm want to catch up exactly?

    • @TamasKiss-yk4st
      @TamasKiss-yk4st Před měsícem +4

      They was always behind Apple with a few years (even now when most people compare the wrong generarions.. just because SD8G3 is not the A17 competitor, just when Samsung pissed into his pants, and relocsted an renaned the Note, everyone lost the tracking.. if the S24U still called to Note 24 and still release with the iPhone 16, it would be harder to fool the sheeps to compare it only with the iPhone 15..)
      So they can solve this with the same way like they always did, shorter software support (even if they started to promise the 7 years for the new purchased phones, Apple aleady done the 8 years OS update cycle, iPhone 6S from 2015 still got the iOS 15.8 security update at Oct 2023, which is more than 8 years away from Sept 2015...)

    • @jonathanng138
      @jonathanng138 Před měsícem +8

      70% of the population can't afford MacBooks so I'm pretty sure Windows will find a way to optimize everything for the new snapdragon anyways it'll take some time but it'll probably be quicker than expected

    • @crestofhonor2349
      @crestofhonor2349 Před měsícem +3

      @@TamasKiss-yk4st They aren't behind. Snapdragon 8G3 is faster than the A17 in some areas

    • @1DwtEaUn
      @1DwtEaUn Před měsícem +1

      So the ThinkPad X13s does not exist in your timeline?

    • @fidelisitor8953
      @fidelisitor8953 Před měsícem

      Apple released its first generation Apple silicon and beat intel who's been in the game for 40+ years so them releasing 3 gens doesn't mean Qualcomm can't overtake them. Besides this 1st gen Qualcomm chip is already competing with Apples latest M3 and M3 pro chips. All the X Elite needs is some good app/software optimizations and it's off to a flying start.

  • @rtc3000
    @rtc3000 Před měsícem +5

    RIP x86 indeed!!!

  • @joemartin8888
    @joemartin8888 Před 8 dny

    What happened to the Freescale patents? Did you help take down 370?

  • @rickquick8977
    @rickquick8977 Před měsícem

    What laptop was the X Elite put in?

  • @GesuCrypto
    @GesuCrypto Před měsícem +4

    So basically M3 Pro > Snapdragon X Elite

  • @techexprt1
    @techexprt1 Před měsícem +12

    R.I.P *Intel* and all *Macs* that running *BootCamp*

    • @inamulbhuyan
      @inamulbhuyan Před měsícem +2

      yes Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

    • @Ilost11
      @Ilost11 Před měsícem +5

      I'll believe windows on ARM beating x86 when I see it. Microsoft has dropped the ball with ARM for more than a decade. The original ARM surface is 12 years old. It's not Qualcomm that's preventing it from succeeding, it's Microsoft consistently dropping the ball.

    • @Dang3rRoom
      @Dang3rRoom Před měsícem

      @@Ilost11yup! Microsoft will drop it the moment it doesn’t sell as “expected”

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 Před měsícem

      😂😂😂

  • @extra4542
    @extra4542 Před měsícem +1

    My biggest excitement for this is that this would be perfect for a handheld gaming PC if windows becomes more optimized for that form factor. oh man, a powerful ARM handheld that can run windows games would be the dream with performance and power efficiency for longer battery life

  • @klauszinser
    @klauszinser Před měsícem +1

    For the Snapdragon but also for upcoming Apple Silicon I am very interested in GPU Performance.

  • @Wybrem
    @Wybrem Před měsícem +3

    Finally, hopefully the end for old, slow and power hungry Intel and AMD x86 cpus on pcs as well.

  • @songoku9094
    @songoku9094 Před měsícem +3

    I am pretty sure snapdragon X elite was meant to compete with the M3 not the M3 series at all. Also, M3 series is 3nm which is why it would have an advantage over snapdragon X Elite in terms of efficiency and single core performance.

    • @GesuCrypto
      @GesuCrypto Před měsícem

      has snapdragon x elite 4 nanometers?

  • @martingifford5415
    @martingifford5415 Před měsícem +2

    It all comes down to compatibility. Will all the software developers rewrite their apps for Qualcomm's chip? Will MS Office be hobbled like it is on Apple Silicon?

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Před 26 dny

      Office is already ported. IT's not hobbled, unless some extension you use isn't ported. Most existing "big name" Windows software is already ported.

  • @burtdanams4426
    @burtdanams4426 Před měsícem +1

    I like the Vibe of this video way more than normal. It's a lot more relaxed, natural, and casual

  • @mamam7743
    @mamam7743 Před měsícem +9

    It is worth saying that this chip was created by Apple engineers who left the company with the knowledge and sold it for billions. All in all, it's an Apple processor under a different name.

    • @richi2870
      @richi2870 Před měsícem

      😂😂😂

    • @aggelosbranikas4446
      @aggelosbranikas4446 Před měsícem

      Very true, it’s literal Apple Technology

    • @richi2870
      @richi2870 Před měsícem +1

      Not true, only a few people come from apple!

    • @mamam7743
      @mamam7743 Před měsícem +2

      @@richi2870 A few people who had knowledge. Key people.

    • @richi2870
      @richi2870 Před měsícem +2

      @@mamam7743 No, the most work is from snapdragon and selfmade dont talk bullshiit.

  • @4mb127
    @4mb127 Před měsícem +1

    Would be really interesting to see LLM inference perf vs Apple laptops.

  • @oladrolahola
    @oladrolahola Před měsícem

    For those curious about X elite systems, if I recall correctly, Qualcomm planned to release some systems in partnership with other brands by the end of this month... or may

  • @Cute_Maxi
    @Cute_Maxi Před měsícem +3

    x86 is over... it has 4-5 years of life remaining maximum.

  • @harryvlogs7833
    @harryvlogs7833 Před měsícem +32

    Haha will destroy apple

    • @ryoji4200
      @ryoji4200 Před měsícem +28

      Low quality bait 😂

    • @harryvlogs7833
      @harryvlogs7833 Před měsícem +6

      @@ryoji4200 not really this video literally showed it destroyed 3nm m3 pro will still using 4nm

    • @Lubenggazzi
      @Lubenggazzi Před měsícem +11

      Per core basis, apple wins. 12C snapdragon X elite = 8C M2

    • @ruhri0411
      @ruhri0411 Před měsícem +8

      @@Lubenggazzi That may be the case. If the laptops with the Snapdragon don't go along with this idiocy with the memory prices and SSD surcharges and offer better equipped devices for lower prices, Apple will lose. They are already suffering a significant drop in Mac sales. They're still wondering where that's coming from. Anyone can tell you that it's Apple's incredible greed, a profit margin of 900% for an upgrade step.

    • @Lubenggazzi
      @Lubenggazzi Před měsícem +1

      ​@@ruhri0411yeah apple tax go brrrr

  • @jamestillman5247
    @jamestillman5247 Před měsícem +1

    My only concern is compatibility with current windows x86 programs. I wish that was covered more along with any pitfalls.

  • @Pircla
    @Pircla Před 16 dny

    Can't wait to see a model specialized for gaming !

  • @vorkot1
    @vorkot1 Před měsícem +2

    Even if it isn't as strong as the M3, I just hope it is generally more affordable. If we can get around M1 or M2-performance for a much better bang-for-buck, then I will be buying that laptop in a heartbeat.

  • @EnochGitongaKimathi
    @EnochGitongaKimathi Před měsícem +2

    The Apple M3 is using TSMC 3nm while Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite is using TSMC 4nm which is really advanced 5nm.
    The performance improvement from M2 to M3 from Apple is not good, I was expecting more with the move from 4nm to 3nm.
    Microsoft Project Volterra was exactly what Windows on ARM developers needed. The Snapdragon offers way more performance than previous attempts so tings will only get better.
    It is exciting to have all these choices now.
    X Elite is Gen 1

  • @livedreamsg
    @livedreamsg Před měsícem

    Would be very interested in a desktop, higher end version of this like Apple does with their Ultra versions. I'd still wait for a laptop that had comparable build quality to MacBook Pros before I considered it. I'll be keeping my M3 Max for a few years.

  • @ahmadafnan3756
    @ahmadafnan3756 Před měsícem

    hope windows for ARM can perform well

  • @yogibarista2818
    @yogibarista2818 Před měsícem +1

    VS compilation comparison will depend on what the target is.

  • @tenidas7064
    @tenidas7064 Před měsícem +1

    hear me out, a new ARM based surface go can be the perfect ipad air alternative if the chips are really as good as these tests prove, and I have high hopes that they are.

  • @GK-qc5ry
    @GK-qc5ry Před 4 dny

    Are the new snapdragon chips good for video editing?

  • @rmzzz76
    @rmzzz76 Před měsícem

    This is very exciting news for Windows users. I have been running Windows 11 Pro ARM64 version on Parallels 19 on my Mac Book Pro, (M3 Pro) 16-GB of RAM and I get faster compile times than Intel i7 desktop with 32-GB of RAM from two years ago... Win 11 ARM64 also runs a great number of games on Parallels utilizing Mac OS Metal, I imagine we'll see something similar with Qualcomm.

  • @magfal
    @magfal Před měsícem

    Is that NPU number total chip TOPS or NPU only?
    Would be a lot less fishy if they compared their product to the actual leader in X86 chips for the same market: the 8840U from AMD.

  • @polataktas
    @polataktas Před měsícem +1

    I hope we won't get restricted to Qualcomm chips for desktop in the future.

  • @Tugennov
    @Tugennov Před měsícem

    I'm one of those people mentioned that switched to Apple for my laptop when the M1 MacBook Air came out, and I'm glad I did. I hope the new Windows ARM laptops make me want to switch back. Competition is great for the consumer!

  • @adhigamer8089
    @adhigamer8089 Před měsícem

    why dont u say the wattage of the processor(sd). there at a 23 and 80 w options. u only mrntion in one test... pls?

  • @macbooksinmotion
    @macbooksinmotion Před měsícem +2

    ARM is the future

  • @iBoyLPs
    @iBoyLPs Před měsícem

    when will it be possible to install windows on m chips?

    • @jakejoyride
      @jakejoyride Před měsícem +2

      Apple will never allow this

    • @iBoyLPs
      @iBoyLPs Před měsícem

      its windows who is blocking it afaik @@jakejoyride

  • @sormwilly6370
    @sormwilly6370 Před měsícem

    can this chip run on android OS?

  • @RaftechGaming89
    @RaftechGaming89 Před měsícem

    One thing to note on this M3 vs X Elite is that there are 8 cores in apple silicon where 4 is efficiency cores while the X Elite has 12 cores so i think its much fair to compare it to an M3 Pro chip

  • @p0r5ch3911
    @p0r5ch3911 Před měsícem

    I have a Desktop that will stay my main Workstation and Gaming Computer. But if had an Arm Work Laptop that had all my Programs with Apple Battery and Performance, that would be a dream.

  • @Because-Linux
    @Because-Linux Před měsícem

    Can't wait to get my hands on an x elite gen 2.

  • @gualbertsanchez
    @gualbertsanchez Před měsícem

    Can I run virtual machines on those ?

  • @kazamiichijuu1609
    @kazamiichijuu1609 Před měsícem

    I don't mind using arm or x86, but I would never use a laptop without EFI or something similar. How can I install Linux on it without another computer?

  • @RirtyDascal
    @RirtyDascal Před měsícem

    Just finished Juan Bagnell's video on this. 0:28 lol and there's the back of his head next to TK'S, on the right side of the table.