I'm Going to Drive an F1 Car UPSIDE DOWN (really)
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I’m going to drive an F1 car upside down, on the ceiling of a tunnel - a challenge that’s been spoken about, but never completed, for decades. It’s said that Formula 1 cars create double their weight in downforce at 130 mph, and THIS is the ultimate way to show this off.
Now, hold on a second, I know that sounds absolutely ridiculous. BUT, yes - me and a team of engineers (and many other people) have been working on this project for a couple of years already - and we’ve found out that it’s all 100% possible. We have the car designs, the tunnel plans and all of the wind tunnel data to make it happen.
And we call it, Project Inversion.
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Why do I feel like RedBull would be down for this, in a heartbeat.
They would, in a blink of an eye
Especially since they are the dominant team in F1, this is a perfect project for them to throw their name on. Gonna be EXPENSIVE though.
I am feeling you too, redbull are going to jump on the second u tell them
@@MrGlockshnayh but Red Bull have loads of money so it'd be possible
We HAVE to get redbull onboard.
If you are willing to place a Red Bull sticker on your car and let them do an event I am sure they will pay for the entire project.
And then they own all rights. People don't understand how bad red bull deals are.
@@natel7382that would depend on what you want from it. Scott will still get a shit ton of publicity from the event. And I doubt he would make more money from other deals or paying out of his own pocket(if he has the funds for it which I doubt). I don't really see how that would be a bad deal
@@natel7382Red Bulls deals are like that because if they didn’t sponsor it, no one would. So it’s a case of if you don’t like the deal, you wont be doing the stunt, simples.
They wouldn’t let Scott drive though
@@Formula1stI think they would, big social media presence and there’s 0 way they risk any of their drivers for it
I'm about 99.9% positive that getting Red Bull involved and on board is already in the works. There's no way RB would ever miss an opportunity like this. If this thing actually happens, guaranteed they're gonna have their logo plastered all over the car and everything else. Plus, who better to help with funding? I'm sure they've already been contacted along with a whole bunch of other companies about sponsoring the event when/if it happens. I feel like there's a chance this one may not happen, tho.. It might turn out to be just too dangerous to attempt...
The Catesby tunnel is basically used as a "reverse wind tunnel," such that instead of making wind go through a static car, a moving car goes through the air in the tunnel. Tom Scott did a really fascinating video on it recently.
Or just a regular tunnel? lol
@@thedude4795 yeah, no.
@@thedude4795think of a wind tunnel but instaid of going against the wind force you are going with it, greatly increasing fuel economy.
Considering Red Bull does things like zero gravity F1 pit stops inside of a plane and put F1 cars on ski slopes, it wouldn't be a stretch to say they'd be interested in driving an F1 car upside down.
RwdBull's insurance company bouta jump off a bridge.
Don't forget they flew 2 planes in formation through a Hanger with less than a foot of space on any side.
The Guys at Red Bull are Certifiably Crazy and would jump at an insane stunt like this.
sounds to me like the one and only day they feel comfotrable enough to sleep well tbh
Redbull has enough marketing, if Driver61 pulls it off it could turn "viral" (if thats a thing nowadays), but yeah, it will create a lot of attention and growth for the channel, they surely dont want to share that with Redbull, having said that, Redbull will be interested in the project and if it succeeds they will create their own version but 1 meter longer, and they will exploit it to the oblivion saying they broke the record and everyone in the world will see it. They could have a former Redbull driver do the trick, maybe Seb, is a formula for a total marketing success.
@@chrisc9769 They illegally attempted to swap pilots between planes mid dive and actually crashed one of the planes. They clearly accept failure as an option.
You could use a rotary engine or a two stroke if you want to gave light ICE engine without the oil issues. They are also ligther for the same amount of power.
A piston plane engine would also be worth looking at as they can fly upside down and have been tested, and should be pretty lightweight also
Beat me to it, was going to suggest a two stroke. To riff on Mike's idea, perhaps a boxer engine modified with sumps top and bottom
That’s what I was thinking. But maybe it’s easier to do electric motors?
the battery would be too heavy tho imo@@Jconejo1891
Obviously it will be electric. Weight won't be an issue as it only has to run a mile at most with all the run off. The battery and engine combined could be less than 50-60kg. Try to pull that off with any ICE. He already ruled ICE out.
Placing a large glass or metal mesh barrier can help with wind loads, in addition to being a safety device protecting spectators in case of an accident.
I'm sure you have considered going electric. This suggestion is probably too late at this stage.
Good luck. Looking forward to the rest of this series.
Electric sounds smart! He would only need a small and light battery to do a short sprint upside down
Spectators? @@mtbsieppo
Yeah electric would be an easy fix for the motor issue but batteries are really heavy so they would need more downforce and speed.
@@Loli.slayer The car doesn't have to have a long range. The weight savings in the electric drivetrain can makeup for a small battery pack
@@husamal-kuran731 yeah you are right, after I commented it I thought about that. They could just use capacitors it would be cheaper and lighter and provide a high current for the one-two minutes the car has to run for.
This is awesome!
Engineer here - led some work when I was at Red Bull for feasibility on inverted race car'in. Good to see this in action!
There is one thing worth noting. The problem becomes a little easier to solve when the "tunnel" is designed to be an "upside down road". The tunnel, as a layer of abstraction from a road, sends you down an entirely different solution path.
And good to see your numbers - we landed on 18-20ft cross section, and went with 1-2miles of length, b/c if you are going to inverted, might as well make a show of it. As some point the cost per 1,000ft stabilizes and you can grow the road to the appetite of the budget 😛.
Last part of it, we were looking for ways to repurpose the "road" structure post project - such as structural components that could be redirected toward storage/housing structures, etc.
This is going to be absolutely wild!! I can't wait to see what you and all of the teams you have involved are able to accomplish here!
you still exist?
Bro I used to watch you all the time, I had no idea you still made videos lamo
Made he literally has nothing done he's just a kid talking about a car driving upside down and displaying other people's work that's already public accessible this is kind of depressing like he literally has nothing and he's talking about it like he's already done it
Nice to see you in the community! Love the snow runner and other content! Keep it up!
MAKES ME WANNA HOP ON SNOWRUNNER
Red Bull is so well known for doing this type of stuff that if it was made, and then weren't part of it, it would "look bad" That's the power of marketing and brand association.
Yeah😂, I really hope they sponsor it but, also give a lot of credit to this channel, as an aero engineering student myself, I would really love to watch this live.
Yeah, but I don’t think they’d like RB to take all the credit of it
The amount of work required to do such a stunt is absoloutely isane, not to mention the amount of organization needed to get something like this off the ground. Big props to you. I cant wait to see this. I am sure that You will find that there will be a multiptude of teams that would be willing to help you.
the exact right time to do that is today.
I can't wait for the rest of this series! Super excited to hear all the planning etc. like you did in this video
If this works well enough, maybe we could see it as a feature on new race courses :)
Red shirt Jeff would drive like that all the time.
That said, fancy seeing you here. Didn't expect that.
@@sherlockmaverickHeh, I watch some F1 stuff from time to time on CZcams, and follow a few car channels. Used to do more with cars before I had kids to keep me occupied!
They could use it at the crossover at Suzuka and drivers could wave at each other as they cross above/under
it can be used so they wouldnt have to build bridges over the track for spectators
Trackmania irl
I love how the video is a giant call for Red Bull to come in and sponsor it lol
Maybe they already did lol
But this was such a simple yet effective marketing strategy! Works well, if not better than the traditional advertisements.
I think a (slightly modified) actual F1 car would be important for the authenticity of this stunt. Can the engine really not at least run for 5 seconds upside down? I think this would be easy to test on the dry floor beforehand A few ideas to save money : you only need a curved onramp and offramp. The middle section could save some of the bottom curved panels, that would also reduce wind loads, unless they are needed as a safety escape exit. Also find a location with an existing wall that you can build the structure against to help with the wind load requirements
Potentially a smaller diameter could be used, if you could imagine the flat "floor" section slowly rotating, cutting the cost, and structural requirements. It would also allow for more a consistent gap for ground effect.
You don't need to build a tunnel, just a road.
@@eljanrimsa5843 Yeah I was thinking this too, just make a curved road, like a corkscrew. Also greatly reduces the wind load on the structure
I thought of this, too. A flat tracj tracing a twisting path up the side of the tunnel. I wonder if that doesn't satisfy the initial goal of driving on the ceiling of a tunnel.
Except with a corkscrew design you'd have to commit on the first go with no way to abort if something goes wrong. At least the C pipe allows for going gradually higher and faster to get a feel for it and aborting if something goes wrong.
@@Soken50 it doesn’t necessarily negate the ability to abort, you simply loose the nice flat section for the duration of transition back to level ground, which should not be an issue if you don’t muck about - I doubt you’d want to anyhow if you’re aborting
Good luck bro nice knowing you 💀
No worries we have HALO now
@@brianmoncarnieracing435 still it's not a f1 car ... F in the chat
@@brianmoncarnieracing435 The car he's driving has a very open cockpit, you should pay a little more attention.
I feel like hotwheels would be the perfect sponsor if you made the tunnel orange. Gl with this project👍
Yessss! Hot Wheels and Red Bull!
Hot Bulls, Red Wheels, LET'S GO
This is insane, RESPECT, good luck with the project!
Excited to see this through! I always wondered about this
Yeah I'd be looking around for F1 sponsorship tie-ins. A stunt like this will be world wide reaching and the likes of Red Bull should be all over this.
Very excited to see this happen. I am quite sad it's not going to be a proper F1 car that does it. Doing it independently I can see the reasons not to use an F1 car, but I would hope if any F1 team could partner with you and sort the engine challenges it would be all the more special.
This can only be called "F1 inspired" at best. If it's not an F1 car, then it's not an F1 car.
@@Rudi1441 Sad but true. But then again the reasons for it seems sound.
If the engine cannot operate when flipped upside down then I guess the myth is busted before it could even be attempted.
I'm ok with the car not being an F1 car, but then they shouldn't title the video "I'm Going to Drive an F1 Car UPSIDE DOWN (really)".
@@juhapehkonen7347 ah you seem to believe in the infamous "All CZcams titles are true" myth
@@juhapehkonen7347 Exactly!
Dishonest is what it is.
I loved to watch your videos,! Callum and Will are surely going to honor your legacy!
😂
Reading this before watching the whole video really had me guess he was going to be leaving the channel.
@@Driver61 Have you thought of F1 and Liberty Media they are always looking for Gimmicks for the show they may give you a chunk of change if they can have your baby once you have had your fun, on saying that they may make things over complicated, but they do like to have mind blowing things to cash in on at the American races. Just thinking out loud type of thing.
@@Driver61 *I felt a great disturbance in the Force* as if millions of voices suddenly cried out *RED BULL* and were suddenly silenced
Nah, I wouldn’t bother contacting Red Bull, they probably wouldn’t be interested 😂😂😂
this was fun to watch. I look forward to seeing the remainder of the series.
That actually sounds like an INSANE project… this is amazing!
It was nice knowing ya, mate. Thanks for all the content over the years.
That right dere was a violation personally Iwouldn'thaveit
This could be one of the greatest YT spectacles to date.
Tho I don't love the title says "F1 car really" and you immediately explain it won't be an actual F1 car like the driving upside down saying is based on
Because otherwise most people would think he would do an looping, everybody interested in F1 (and sees F1 videos on CZcams) knows exactly now what he is planning to do
F1 car is almost a sinnonym to open-wheeler, so I am not mad
Maybe it's a future F1 car (from a guy who designed F1 cars)
@@alexvalentim1418 well, for the same reason hes picked an indy car and called it an f1 car... and idk how many people would get ticked off by that but i imagine its not really a small amount
This would be an amazing feature at an existing or upcoming F1 track. Obviously not used in the race but one of the “straights” goes through the tunnel. (Marina bay, hockenhiem and monoco are the only straights below 650meters)
Maybe pre show of the f1 weekend they could show a car going upside down then put up necessary barriers for the race. (Wouldn’t want cars crashing and then going up the C section lol)
well, yes. parts could go to shows. or stay in place, or just get demolished for sending to the next best paying scrap metal dealer.
Please start a crowd funding page for this project. I've always been fascinated by this exact idea since I was a kid watching Formula 1, and I'd love to donate to see this happen for real and I'm sure others would be also.
This is the kind of scam that Kickstarter was built on 😂
This will never, ever happen. You'd be better off just burning your money on the front lawn
@@Patriotic_Eagle1995this is the kind of pessimism that hinders innovation and creativity
@@Patriotic_Eagle1995bit negative....
@@Patriotic_Eagle1995 I agree, while it would be great to see...normal people have bills
@@lukeolson2382 buy one cigi less and donate it, ez as that
I’ve heard this subject come up almost as long as I’ve been watching F1 (30+ years) great that someone will finally prove it’s possible! Hope you raise the money needed!
Why not add an Amazon affiliate link in the description of each video, every time I order from Amazon I’ll use the link help raise some of the money, hopefully other viewers would do the same?
Same here, I remember as a kid thinking it was the coolest thing ever when my dad told me these cars could drive upside down with the amount of down force they produce.
This is wild.
Good luck making it happen and making it through.
A great project Scott. And of course the wonderful Willem Toet being involved is no surprise to me.
I am very much looking forward to following this project (and I may find myself pumping Willem on the subject when I see him and wife Sue back in Australia early next year).
Interesting to note that some footage used, is of the Australian based (my coat of many colours) Empire of Dean Tighe from Brisbane (he won the Australian Hillclimb Championship in that car late last year at Mt Cotton in Brisbane). Dean himself has a history of un intentionally driving his Judd V8 powered Dellara upside down (well it landed upside down, was repaired in a week to compete in the 2013 Australian Hillclimb Championship which was won by Greg Ackland. Dean Tighe Managed 6th in his Dellara.
"Because I was inverted" will now have a new meaning! From the skies with Maverick to the tunnel with Driver61.
Scott the bloody legend, man will go down in history
Oh he'll go down alright.
man will go upside down
Its basically a Kickstarter scam, there is a 0% chance it will ever be attempted and any business who gives money is getting fleeced or is in on the scam 😂
personally i hope he stays up
This is... ambitious. I look forward to following the progress of the project, and I think this is probably the right person and the right team for such an aspirational goal- I'm confident that if it is feasible, success will follow.
Also, this is one of those 'My Grandfather did X!!!' things... a ...legacy? Wow. (No pressure! Lol).
CHEERS!
I love this! What an amazing initiative, looking forward to seeing it come together. Also hope Red Bull are interested
You should definitely make a model with an RC car first. Very light weight, pretty powerful electric motors for the size, and would take a much smaller tunnel.
In fact you don't even need a tunnel. Do what the Mythbusters did, put it upside down on a treadmill going the speed required, then have a fan blow air at that speed at the car. So the car is stationary to us but still driving upside down. This would also help with figuring small details out, and the range of the signal won't be an issue.
the fan would make turbulent air so wooldn't be perfect. would definetly still be a helpful model though
@@keelanrose5706you could unturbulent it
@@santumi2298 Yep, that's what they do in wind tunnels.
@@larrylem3582the fan is behind the car in a wind tunnel. Fan in front would cause much turbulence, the air flows much smoother until it hits the fan, but then you would need a tunnel to direct the air into the fan
Im so hyped by this project,dont really care how much long will it take.
Ofc you don’t, you’re not the one paying for it.
@@pulse6982calm down lol
Bold project. Great vision. Will very much enjoy watching you pull it off! There are plenty of electric motors available with sufficient power and low weight. A small, light battery is all that's needed for such a short run. It can be located at any height as low center of gravity is not an issue. Here's the out of the box proposition: You not only don't need a tunnel (or section), using a tunnel section actually complicates the project and adds expense. All you need is a flat inverted section. The challenge is to run on that surface without falling off. Getting up there by driving up the side of a tunnel is not part of the challenge. It is merely an expensive solution that greatly decreases the likelihood of success. 1) car has to fight 1g of lateral acceleration to overcome gravity as it climbs wall 2) It requires tunnel length to make this transition 3) Most importantly, the required curvature of the wall will greatly compromise the required ground effects to keep the car stuck as it goes beyond 90 degrees on it's way to the 180 degree inversion of the flat roof.
Suppose you construct the inverted, flat roof close to the ground to decrease the distance the car will fall if car fails to stick. Start the car inverted on the flat ceiling with driving tires pressed firmly to the roof by small, passive tires mounted to the top of the car running on rails supported by scaffolding under the car (much like a roller coaster). When the car reaches sufficient speed to stick to the ceiling, the rails end and car is now supporting itself for 5 seconds. After that, there are 4 recovery methods. 1) slow down and hit the ground on skid plate over driver's head 2) slow down and hit ground on passive tires with drag chute to retard progress and side bumpers on the track beneath to obviate need for steering on these wheels 3) mount second scaffolding and rails at far end of ceiling section to catch passive wheels and allow car to decelerate while only dropping a few inches (or stay in contact with ceiling if you want to utilize the car's standard brakes) 4) passive wheels can be mounted on vertical spindles that allow wheels to fall off for weight and drag reasons. Construct helical off ramp at end of inverted roof for car to transition back to low speed driving on normal surface.
Further weight savings, of course, can be obtained by remote driver not actually in car. Also no risk to human life.
This popped into my recommended randomly. But I'm loving it. Subscribed.
Holy shit Scott, this is unreal 🤯
I'm thrilled to see that in the message sent to Willem, you mentioned the CZcams channel had 255k subscribers, and now it's crossed the 1M mark. I'm eagerly anticipating how the subscriber count will grow once this project is completed! 😊
I would love to watch history in the making, wishing all the best for this project! I hope above hope to see its fruition and completion!
The biggest problem will be getting the suspension to handle the opposite corners ride height problem when angling on a tunnel, while also handling a massive load difference.
Semi-trucks will pump up the axles to compensate for load. Soft suspension can compensate for ride height. Active suspension can do both, but would be expensive and take a lot of calibration.
though electrical power is the obvious choice as you don't need heavy batteries for such a short run, it should also be possible to use a 2-stroke or rotary engine
there is no need for any changes really, many engines run upside down just fine.
Idk why they think its an issue, especially on a run thats gonna be 1km at best.
Can an F1 car drive upside down without actually using an F1 car 😅
Many suggested going electric but I believe easier, safer and cheaper alternative would be going with boxer engine. Preferably aviation engine. There is no oil flow issue with those. Dry sump and horizontally opposed pistons are made exactly to withstand inverted flight or in this case drive :). In case of aviation engines they are already tested solutions with years of development and added safety features like dual magnetos and such. New Lycoming would be expensive but keep in mind in aviation you pay for certification and since it won’t be used to fly I’m sure you could score a deal with one of the companies. Perhaps rotax would be down to cooperate on something with more juice than their normal products? Anyways there are tons of talented engineers anywhere around the world that could make such engine work for you. With electric finding the right guy might be harder. My bet would be that weight could be smaller then full electric setup. Another thing is that it would just be cooler 😅
Need to set up the engine/cooling system to rotate upto 90 degrees starting at 45 degrees to keep it from being all the way upside down and give wiring enough slack and exhaust will just not be well ducted. Just a thought for the drawing board. Have fun.
I can't wait for this to happen!! I've loved telling people the upside down fact for years and seeing their reaction. Looking forward to being able to say "Here, I'll show you a video" 🤣
Seriously though, this would be an incredible feat! Hope it works out!
i remember the Nürburgring Nordschleife lift off case - and if something like that (called "Unterluft") ever would happen for the attempt in question, its calling for maxed up desaster.
this is going to be MEGA!! i hope you get the money to build the tunnel. there's a chance to create video series worthy of colin furze's tunnel videos! the content will be off the roof. good luck mate, this is one of the most promising exciting new projects for next year!!
This sounds like one of those super-rare things: a potential use case for using supercapacitors as a power source (because power is only required for one relatively short burst). I've not done any calculations, so I don't know whether it is possible; but if it is, the energy to weight ratio (the specific power) of supercapacitors is so much greater than that of batteries that it could be highly appropriate.
Get it done mate! Cant wait to see this happen!
I hope you're planning on making this a public event cause I would absolutely love to see this live!
I was curious if you thought about making the floor of the car curved to match the curvature of the tunnel. Maybe the tunnel could be made smaller or with a smaller radius without losing the downforce from a flat bottomed car.
Have you thought about building your upside down track inside of an existing tunnel, such as Laerdels tunnel in Norway (30 feet wide and 15 miles long)? It would reduce cost and also dangerous wind to build a track inside an enclosed tunnel.
Cool. If you build the tunnel along a cliff face, say along an abandoned rail line, you should save a lot of money preparing the foundation and on construction of the support structure, and can use the rail line for hauling material. Then it could also be semi-permanent.
Adding to the drama, you could start on a straight, then go around an ever increasing banked turn, then as the turn straightens out, the ceiling would come into play. The end would be a mirror of the beginning. I’m sure an abandoned railway fan with a CZcams channel knows just the place.
Oh, and why not just use a Formula-e car? No fluids to worry about. Maybe too heavy? You only need a battery big enough to go about a mile at top speed.
this is awesome. I really hope you guys will be able to pull this off
it's the ultimate what if in motorsports
I feel like the obvious solution would be to go electric, I'm sure battery weight will be an issue. At the same time you don't exactly need a lot of range so a smaller battery pack, or maybe super capacitors to power it. Rock on dude, this sounds like an amazing challenge, good luck!
I was thinking go rotary or boxer, get rob dahm to help with the engine, he knows how to make rotary’s go absolutely ballistic. Or a boxer, as they are horizontal🤷♂️.
@@zachbowles4842 I also thought those 2 options initially, but they both have the same problem of oil needing to trickle down into the oil pan and would get oil starved. Other than electric a 2-stroke engine might be a solution, but i don't know of any car engine sized 2-stroke
@@zachbowles4842 still the same issues
@@beaverman285 not even a dry sump? I think it could be managed, either an extra strong pump or a dry sump and external oil pump would suffice. For sure a standard engine would not (inline or v), but there’d be some more science that I don’t know that would fix this
Or even some sort of induced current? So run the power down the track. Hmm, this is basically a big Scalextric.
12:25 bigger radius also means more time to get to the top ceiling from the bottom, which probably can't be done too aggressively because of the aero which means longer tunnel still
maybe with floor bits rounded with the same curvature as the tunnel could help maintain down force
@@TheMainelson the issue is (drawing seems like a perfect circle mostly) that you have to drive "up" which means you are at an angel compared to the flow (straight) of the tunnel. therefore you lose downforce in strange ways.
@@johannesdatblue4164 yeah and that could potentially be avoided by making the whole tunnel including the ground and the car floor the same curvature
@@TheMainelson and how d oyou want to drive with a curved floor? if it fits inside the bend it will scratch the tarmac(? whats the wrtining of tarmac?) before you even hit the tunnel unless you lift the car, reducing the downforce. flat or curved, both together is a bad compromise, you can make it work that at 100mph (example) you wont scratch with a slight bend but in the tunnel you will lose half your travel length of the suspension to gravity if downforce=gravity. with his safetymargin of 2 you lose a third because downforce=2*gravity but still if you have used 12cm you lose 4 and with 4cm more space and the bend on top that you cant follow shape wise you still lose a sht ton of downforce. i cant tell you how much but i wouldnt doubt that half of it is easily lost and the spoiler is only in the back, the front still have to stick aswell which will make it very difficult.
physics are insane when we are talking about that. imagine calculating all of that all by hand lol o_o
What if the cross section of the tunnel is not round, but made like a huge flat ribbon, which gradually has a 180-degree twist in it. So the car is always sitting on a flat surface, and that surface gradually twists to eventually become up-side down. The driver just needs to keep the car on the flat part. Seems like that might eliminate a lot of the problem of the car needing to drive on a concave surface and losing aero.
This is so awesome. I can't wait to see this project unfold.
very interesting project, what if you don't make the walls curved like a tunel but you make a flat piece of tarmac go uphill and twist a bit like the hotwheels tracks so you don't loose the downforce effect as well to keep the car as stable as possible,it's not a tunnel but still will prove the theory and it's cheaper :)
Just leaving this comment here cause this is going to make history looking forward to all the engineering and planning series that went into it
Same
Didn’t hotwheels already do this in a stunt with a real car?
@@TheNuclearBolton I'm pretty sure it was just a loop
Building that thing is going to cost millions on millions, I am skeptical this will come into fruition, even if it does it'll take months on months till it happens, but I await excitedly, and of course as everyone has already said, rb really seems like the ideal partner, but I'd imagine some construction / design company might want to hop on too
I thought the same. This will be a very expensive and long project that will require serious financial sponsorship and support from big companies. YT patron support won't scratch the surface on this one.
@@nathanhooper1006 thats a very good point. Everyone says its possible but nobody has proven it. I imagine there are some big companies ready to slap their logo on this one…
@@Fadezz The physics says it'll work, so there's little doubt a car designed to do it could do it... but no one is willing to put up the huge amount of money required to make it happen.
@@wolfie54321 The physics of the 3/4-tunnel is the bigger challenge
@@eljanrimsa5843 You mean in terms of constructing it? I'm sure it'll be insanely expensive, and even at the lower speeds they're talking about it will need to be huge. I don't really have any doubts that they could build it if the money were there though. Being 3/4 might make some left/right aero imbalance, don't imagine it'd be huge though. I'd be really hesitant to rely heavily on ground effects given they are very sensitive to ground proximity, big wings would be the safer way to do it (even there, it'd probably want to be designed with quite a high front wing compared to what you see on normal race cars).
If all they want to do is prove that it can be done, probably some sort of light weight RC car launched at the correct speed along an existing roof would be a cheap way to prove the idea, but it lacks the "punch" of having a manned vehicle do it.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO FINALLY DO THIS
This dude is about to play Trackmania irl and i love it
So what you're (really) saying is that you are going to drive a NOT-F1 car UPSIDE DOWN? 🤣
Good stuff as always, Scott... best of luck and may the organic "upforce" be with you. 👍
I’m excited for the project, but yea it’s super click bait. Instead of him driving an f1 car upside down (yes really), it’s him intending to get funding to drive a type of car that hasn’t been determined with an unexplained engine choice.
@@DustinHasVideosit's not clickbait! He explained it very clearly in the video why he went the other route!
How is it not? He says f1 in the title
@@alanmay7929 clickbait is making a title to get people to watch when the title isn’t accurate. In the video he does explain why he won’t use an f1 car, but the title is I’m driving and f1 car upside down (yes really)
This dude's insurance premium just tripled
Insurance?!
You wouldn't be able to get it
@@Driver61them American people and their health insurances :) in the developed part or the world we can do stupid stuff and just show up at the hospital when it goes sideways 😂
The **** is insurance?!
The tunnel aspect of this project is going to be monstrously expensive. Probably far too much for any company, even red bull, to be willing to fund it.
In terms of resources it seems more demanding than building an entire F1 track from scratch. Not only an enormous amount of space and physical materials required but also brand new civil engineering research and development. No tunnels historically have had open sides!
I think placing the tunnel structure underneath an existing overpass structure or wall and suspending it might be a good way to reduce the amount of materials required in construction.
Can´t wait to see something like that! Science and some madness coming together. It will be amazing to watch
The biggest hurdle they’ll have is trying to get their insurance to agree to this lol.
Basically when you got to talking about the engine the question was answered, no you can't drive an F1 car upside down in a tunnel and you'd be very lucky to survive the attempt. Fascinating project nevertheless I will follow with great interest.
Exactly
I've been saying this since the beginning.
The engine will stall
What does the car matter? Driving ANY car upside down for 5 seconds is the fucking intersting part. Fuckin hell
That's not what aerodynamic stalling means@@watema3381
The title says F1 car dude. And the canonical saying has always involved an F1 car. But he's just using that for click/rage bait@@thedude4795
Lets get there! 110% invested in this series... good luck.
Gutted thought you meant a genuine F1 car but good luck
This is insane a huge amount of work & effort it would take to pull this off! I really hope this video gets a lot of attention & you get the funding required to complete it! I'll be looking forward to the continuation of this series!
I've been waiting for someone to do this!! let's go scott!! best of luck
i know the perfect car for this. in a car museum somewhere, don’t know which one, there is a porsche 956. the porsche in the museum is hanging from the ceiling. a short caption under the car on a ledge says this exactly, “According to the theory of downforce (F = p : 2 • v2 • A • ca), when this Porsche 956 reaches a speed of 321.4 km/h, it could theoretically drive on ceilings.” i know it’s not a f1 car but it would work. maybe not only you can drive an f1 car upside down but maybe a different car like that one too. just a cool idea
Amazing concept! Hope you get the investors and are able to make it happen 👍👍👍
12:23 you can also make a large one strip spiral thats just flat and will turn to the right. with it, you can make the diameter of your hole smaller to have costs down and still maintain a flat surface
Hes gonna drive upside down for FIVE seconds. A spiral would just be a roll, over and over and over. Are you attention deficit?
it sounds safer to have the half tube - you can approach the final setup by many gradual steps of climbing to the top for each run, thus checking out the timing, the forces and any sort of surprises - in fact it will be a curve up, a steady drive and a curve down. and any transition in between might mean that aerodynamics will have to flip to a new state. that must go well without interruptions or similar to succeed.
You do not need a tunnel. A helix should be completely sufficient. So there is no problem with the ground effect. The car only needs to be able to twist a little. You can also place boxes, etc. in the upside down area for safety
A structure like a rollercoaster track.
Can also have a turn to force a bank, and then nosedive to pin to the ceiling, but at that point it’s using g’s, and not air force or upforce
I get it is easier to show the concept with the HC car, but it isn't really an F1 car and if you replace the engine with an electric engine and a small battery, it is almost like cheating.
I hope you guys can use a radial 9-cylinder modern propeller airplane engine just to keep it combustion engine only.
The car in question is probably a good compromise for the first attempt though.
Maybe combine the event with the McMurtry car and have em try to run upside down as well in the same tunnel?
If the tunnel acts like a sail, putting small slats in the sides at short intervals could allow air (but not the car) to pass through and reduce the load on the structure.
Assuming this would spoil the aero, you could also close the slats from the back of the tunnel as the car passes over, so the one spot where the car is has the flat smooth surface.
I cannot fathom a world where Red Bull isn't massively into this
I know it separate channels, but I would love to watch Callum and Wills reactions to this live. 😆
very ambitious and interesting idea. This kind design tunnel could probably be used for many other purposes, and i'm sure there will be a lot of projects it will be suitable for. Wish u guys good luck and a lot of fun and excitement during the building process!
would you think... a model to scale could do it first?
@@alexanderstohr4198 basically, yes, but for scale model isn’t nesessary to build a full scale tunnel. The question is in scale size.
That's some insane amount of dedication to research 🔥🥳🥳
Subbed, please make this happen. Willem is one of our longtime Design Judges and Ambassador for Formula Student in the UK - you're in good hands with his expertise and enthusiasm!
I feel like an FSAE Student racecar would fit your requirements perfectly. They are EV's so no fluids to worry about, they are fast (look at the most recent World record by AMZ), and they have a ton of downforce.
Do you know that, or are you just mentioning an electric? Most electrics do have fluids. Whether it's an old electric running on car batteries, newer ones may use traditional brake cylinders or cooling pumps. Saying an electric won't have heat problems over a 1mi run is very different from saying it can run at max power with the coolant circuit upside down.
@@nathanhooper1006 today’s cars have use fans to suck themselves to the floor. But now that I’m saying that, i remember that he said in the video that this doesn’t count. With normal aero I don’t know if you can get the safety factor of 2. But it think it would be still bigger than the weight.
@@KevinJDildonik pretty sure there are only minor modifications necessary. We don’t use “car batteries” anymore 😉.
Top FS/FSAE cars generate downforce between cla=6 and cla=7, thats around 5,3-6,2kN of downforce at 140kph. With a weight of around 230-250kg in a race ready configuration (driver included etc.) aero should not be a problem. But to find a team thats willed to provide their car for such an experiment is almost impossible I would guess....
Big teams are allways open for this crazy project. @@dasdings2487
Needs to be a full circle like in the movie... just going up on the ceiling briefly and coming back down on the same side isn't going to have the same WOW factor as doing the full loop across the ceiling...
I love this!!! I can’t wait to see it! Good luck!
I remember watching a video of yours of the same topic like 6 months ago. You discussed this actual notion and as an avid F1 fan, yes of course I'm interested in putting the theory into action. I hope you guys find a sponsor to make this project into reality. Will be keeping an eye on the updates.
OMG, this is awesome. And seems like a real departure for this channel.
As a half a century old mechanical engineer (2 decades in car industry) myself...
I see only one solution, not talked about.
Since the tunnel has obviously a curved wall, you need to engineer a whole new design of the floor adapted to a round tunnel, with the floor in the middle being much lower than were the wheels touch the floor 🤷🏻 and forget about thinking about a flat floor design...
Good luck with that
Very exciting!!! I am so hyped to see it!
if you pull this off, it could add an entirely new element to F1 racing. which would be freaking awesome!!
Nobody gonna add it to actual F1 tracks
bit of a stretch
I mean its never getting added to F1- just imagine the crashes. But I would love to see F1 do some Mario Kart 8 type shit, even if it's completely unfeasible
Yes, and next they'll attempt to figure out how to make Blue Shells work . /s
The FIA can barely handle gravel traps and grass on tracks.
This idea is absolutely bonkers, I can't wait to see it come to fruition.
Amazing wild idea! I hope you get sponsored!
This project now looks like driving on a garage ceiling, not a tunnel. Still cool, and am most looking forward to how the car make the transition climbing up the wall.
Thank you finally someone takes on this challenge ! With all the extreme stunts Redbull have been doing for years I've always wished they would tackle this one
You could look at a rotary engine to get past the issues you mentioned, they are capable of making a lot of power and are quiet small.
Edit: also, you could use a bladder of sorts to house the fuel and avoid it sloshing around and get away form the fuel pump
Hillclimb cars FTW. A Wraith wit a jet engine conversion (or electric) would be interesting up Shelsley Walsh! We will definitely be keeping an eye on this project.
Holy hell, this is going to be wild.
google aerodynamics
@@ashiwashi K thanks, but I'll rely on my engineering degree
@@ATX_Engineer mfw no anarchychess enjoyers here