Was it Possible for Shane and Otis to Escape? | The Walking Dead
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- This video is essentially a follow up to my video on Shane's sacrifice of Otis. Let's just say that I took this more seriously than most healthy folk would. lol
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PSA: To be clear, for some who may not have gotten it, this video is focusing on the point where Shane shoots Otis. It’s not about how poorly the rest of their raid to the school went. It’s a follow up to another video I made.
Yes. The entire loot-run was poorly handled. Yes, they could’ve survived if they approached the operation differently. That’s not the point here.
With that said - leave topic suggestions in the comments. 🤙🏻
Just wanted to say Thank you. Ever since the episode aired I’ve been waiting for a CZcamsr to upload an extremely detailed and explanation on why Shane shooting otis was the right call to save Carl !!
There's a cut scene where Shane is running away from a crowd of walkers, even in good physical shape, he barely managed to escape
And in this situation, he limps, and carries a heavy bag and a shotgun. If they had kept this scene on the show, the audience would have known that Shane had already experienced in such a situation, and they would have understood that both of them would not be able to choose alive.
@@VanyaTheSlavicLol. The issue on fast walker and smart walkers. They as in AMC keep changing the script around when come to walkers in general also they weren't do so well when come to the financial part. So "budget cut" came around and the walker got "budget cut". Get it? Lol. Now the Ytubers or community who don't pay attention about AMC's money issue will come up with their own theory and their own mind of thought on the walker variants. AMC keep on dragging the show, keep changing the script as usual, keep trying to milk the dried up cow and they were likely like this one day in a meeting...
Guy in charge: Hey! We need to drag out the show and keep milking it! I want ideas! I want it now! Anything will do!
Some random person in the meeting: Hey! I've seen youtubers on youtube making their own theory about walker variants. We can "borrow" that idea! If we do that we can keep milking the show!
Guy in charge: Good! We will put that into the show later! Yay! We can milk the show for more cash!
Bro the comment above me is so stupid.
The show made more money than they ever deserved to make and they still cut the budget.
The zombies didn't get budget cut they cut one of the best writers and directors in the game and that's why the show quality went downhill with gimple
They turned it into a dynamic scary show with real consequences and scary zombies into a soap opera that has zombies in some episodes
@@SCH292 you may not be wrong but we love zombies anyway
@@myusernamelucasnah he’s wrong and probably stupid in my guess
The big mistake was both of them going into the trailer. Otis should have gone in while Shane used the truck's horn and lights to lead them away. Otis knew the stuff and he could carry it all himself. Then go around and pick Otis up. Neither of them were all that bright. Neither of them deserved to survive. And neither did.
A serious miscalculation. They probably thought going in on foot would be faster than slowly kiting the dead away. That time crunch really caused some lapses in logic.
Wouldn't that take a lot of time todo
Coral needed meds and was running out of time
@rolandomanrriquez108 dying takes infinite time. Both going in was a super unnecessary risk. Even one at a time, if the first guy dies, the second knows when he goes in that it is not safe.
forgive me if I misremember the scene, its been a long time since I saw it.
If I remember right they used a flare to lure the zombies away from the building with the medical supplies so they could go in safely. I feel like the dumb mistake was just barging out the door when they had everything and announcing their presence to the zombies.
Let's just say that for what ever hypothetical reason both of them did have to go in. Once they had gathered everything, if they had just cracked the door open a bit and seen all the zombies had returned, they could have taken a minute to formulate a plan to distract them so they could get away safely.
😂😂😂 it just took the whole season to kill Shane
I always felt that Otis should of let Shane do Shane's super hero manhood moment. Otis is a hunter so dragging the huge heavy load wouldn't be much of a problem for him and keep in mind he was the one putting walkers in the barn. I say Shane would of found other ways to survive or at least get the zombie heat off him when "the big super hero sacrifice" scene came. Lol.
I always did wonder if Shane HAD to kill Otis. It always seemed like it was a toss up but this definitely shows it had to be done.
If project zomboid taught me anything about zombies it's that the only time you have to leave someone behind is if you didn't prepare or plan properly. With two of them they could have had one guy draw the horde and lose them in the woods while the other guy looted and met back up at a different location. No excuse to get surrounded with 2 people
The screaming taking the walkers attention, the time they spend eating him alive + overall eating Otis, the extra adrenaline rush in Shane after the scuffle taking the stuff off Otis with the motivation to get out of their to save carl was definitely the only chance
So what you mean to tell me, is that Shane carried 100 pounds for like 800 feet, on hurt ankles🤨 and made it back in time to save Carl 🤨 I mean be realistic neither of them should of survived 😂
It's always nice to see the maps of the events, the path they take and the irl location
frrrrr
They could have escaped if they planned this whole raid better. The situation they put themselves in was messed up from the beginning. Going with just 2 guys also was a stupid risk for such a big raid.
That blob served his purpose by being a distraction in form of giant delicious meal that dead can relish on. RIP Ottis
I wish Otis lived but I think there wasn’t much time for it to happen. If Otis lived they’d find out Sophia was a Walker in the barn much sooner. Also Otis would be an interesting character but idk I think it was destiny for him to die at that point.
Literally all they had to do was drop the bags, get to the truck, drive the truck back onto the spot they dropped the bags, slow as to not run over the walkers, open the door and pick up the bags before peeling off.
U say this i hindsight
I feel this is too risky, what could happen is that there are now too many walkers to go through when coming back, the whole reason they are running from the hoard is to not get trapped in it. Leaving the bags would mostly definetly be an interesting yet risky move, ill give u that much.
Shane was made for this world, as Dale said. Adrenaline is a helluva drug. He definitely could've drug the weight in a fight or flight scenario and I maintain that Shane was one of the realest characters in this series.
I think they needed more than 2 people but it does show that the actors and directors really thought about the logistics of this incident.
I think Rick should've followed cus then they could've had a fighter to delay walkers. I say that cus no run lacks a fighter after this shot.
Even if it wasn't the right call for Shane, consider that it took this guy like 2 hours of research to come to an objective conclusion.
Shane had a few seconds to make his choice!
It's not like he was sitting quietly in a safe room with maps and rulers to make accurate calculations. He simply made a gut decision and went for the scenario that promised the highest probability for Carl's survival.
Lmao
Should have just taken both bags from Otis first to try to allow Otis to maybe get ahead or reach the car first, that only being his reasoning of course then he would kneecap him lol. I feel bad for Otis but it was either both them and Carl die, or one of them + Carl live. I mean Shane even told Otis to leave him it is not like it was his first thought, it literally came from there being no other choice for survival. Hey maybe just maybe (doubt) Otis could reach the car and Shane could barely keep out of reach of the horde with two bags (with his busted ankles he wouldn't lol), then Otis could either lead some of the Horde away or start the car early then pick up Shane.
Shane and otis should have thrown a monkey or 2 then they would have had plenty of time from the distraction and explosions .
This vid needs to blow up for those still sticking with the "They could of ran away in time." argument. Also I love to imagine if a fat guy was in an apocalypse and survived overtime he would get fit and strong lol.
This is freaking so cool. I always thought more than the average viewer about Shane and this incident with Otis … so this is right down my alley.
The only way they both would of survive, would be if they went in differently.
They could have done the whole zombie guts trick.
I think they just didn’t film it good enough to convince most people.
Definitely
Yes
Overall - I agree, but comments are good for the almighty algorithm and damn your voice sounded smooth. Great video.
I'm glad u made this video I was just trying to point out last week to someone that they both weren't getting out alive and Shane wasn't wrong for doing what he did, but I don't support it
Also the packs probably felt heavier than they were too. In the military they show you how to properly pack so that the weight feels less heavy and no way they packed in an ideal way at all given the situation
Without the injury to Shane's leg there was a much better chance. After that, a sacrifice had to be made.
Otis also hurt his leg in the gymnasium. Although not as badly as Shane's injury.
nice video! really good quality for the size of your yt channel.
Great video!!!
mans pulled up google earth for this
I wonder if it wouldn't have been a bad idea to drop the gear outside get to the truck and speed past the walkers to get the gear back? Not saying it would be the first thing on my mind
I love how fucking blunt you are, subscribed. 🤣
With how much time they were scrapping with each other after Shane first shot Otis then yeah I totally think they both could have made it
Could they have? Who knows how far the car was and they were slowing down while the walkers were catching up.
@@blackrose8418 I mean, two men carrying two 50+ pound bags or Shaun whos 3 times smaller than Otis carrying them alone with a fucked Ankle😅 Not only to mention that they had to fight 34 seconds for the bags as Shane was killing him. I just doubt Otis death saved more than 20 seconds, walkers rip you apart very quick.
@@gaminggod2789 all of what you said was explained in the video my friend
@@blackrose8418 And it dosent hold up at all. Shane might be fit but noone is carrying 100+ pound equipment with a fucked ankle more than 100 feet.
@@blackrose8418 He actually never mentions that Shane then has to carry 100+ pounds alone with an injured ankle, so that wasnt said in the video
Watching their escape from the trailers definitely seemed like a comedy of errors just from how shane seemed to beeline for cramped or deadend areas. In reality he should have made sure to pit their greatest strength against the greatest weaknesses of the infected instead of doing the opposite
Ya know what from now on I won’t argue with this guy
The should have taken some pills to get a rush of some shit and run faster.
I’m sorry but idk what pills make you suddenly heal your ankle, and pain killers take about 5-10 minutes or more to act, which wouldn’t help their situation
@@ilikewater1575I’m fairly sure they’re likely referencing the game, “Left 4 Dead” where you can take pain pills to buffer your health, and adrenaline shots in Left 4 Dead 2 to speed yourself up :P
Sorry L4D2 logic doesn’t work irl.
Lmao this aint no dam video game kid 🤣🤣
If it were me i wouldve simply summoned my inner warrior and fought off all the zombies and throw the bag of medical supplies all the way to the truck and grab Otis with one arm and wall run over the horde and back to the truck.
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I will say this the writers could make it any way their imaginations would conceive.
This situation is extremely tricky and it cannot be talked about without looking at Shane's character.. Sure, you could argue that they both could have made it out alive. However, Shane had a better chance at surviving if he used Otis as bait for the walkers so he could escape.. That's really the only reason why he killed Ottis.
people saying they could have escaped because the zombies were far away do not understand cinema at all...
i admit, the zombies could have been a little closer to be more believable but people, really??
you think they would both be in that state of panic if there was a chance to escape?
the producers failed to show us that they would not make it, but you have to imagine/think that they were pretty close BECAUSE IN REALITY THEY WERE (even though it didnt seem like it).
dont focus if they were close enough or not, just believe that they were not gonna make it.
Please keep doing the walking dead content and please dive into the spin-offs and newer series
Short answer: Yes
Nah
The Phoenix Wright theme tripped me out because i watch umvc3 videos alot. Thought i left one open lmao
According to ChatGPT, it is strongly advised not to walk long distances with a sprained ankle - while carrying like 50lbs. The AI says it would likely cause further injury.
So yeah, Skynet agrees with you here lol you’re seriously one of the best content creators for the Walking Dead. Keep it up!
The gunshots and scuffle made it worse, Good content though.
I think when they changed director a lot of things did not make sense...the zombies were fastee thats why Rick had to leave the little girl behin but it makes no sense now cause the zombies are so slow..same thing with Shane and Otis they could have escaped easily witht the slow walkers
The sad reality is that Fat people don't survive in any apocalypse period. By all means Shane did the right thing. The only thing I can think of is maybe a 3rd person went strictly to drive. I'd imagine that was the High School Maggie went to so she would know the area well and could lead the herd away. Maybe circle a block and pick them up.
yo how are you so underrated
nah they didnt have a chance to make out both alive, truly , the odds were too small, they both were tired and coudnt even run properly, also they did have bags full of heavy stuff
Dealing with crap on my back while dragging a rollaway luggage bag in a crazy ass airport where Im dodging people trying to make my way to TSA , is a similar feel for me running away from slimmey ,smelly dead walking flesh. Dang...Not sure about y'all but I would have gone during the day. My eye sight sucks at night,so I would have been worthless dead meat for Shane.
But what if you fart
make a video on what u think would have happen if shane didnt go nuts with all the lori stuff, or something related, like how things would have turned out, since he was the first one to adapt to this world .
He woulda killed gov at the meeting, they would stay at the prison and because shane would kill the prisioners the horde wouldnt get alarmed, happy ending, theres a reason they killed shane, and when rick became shane with the beard, the writers always made side characters convince him a softer decision, for example ricks plan was to silently raid the hospital, but tyresse the crybaby suggested a hostage trade no violence, rick said no, but daryl said rick lets do it, so rick listened, shane wouldnt, beth ended up dying because they wouldnt leave without noah
@@IIIISai yeah, coudnt agree more
Its a shame that most of the twd comunnity doesnt see this way.
@@lfteles5133 our community is dumb, but im fine with it because it makes the smart people stand out
I bet Odis would've died anyway since he would've been slower than shane and gotten slower and slower and died the same painful death this what if reminds me of a telltale games decision
I know I’m a bit late to this, but I can kinda understand Shane’s reasoning here, even if it was morally fucked up. He genuinely loved Carl and viewed him as his own son, and I think almost any father woulda done anything to save their child in that situation.
Now it’s not IMPOSSIBLE that they coulda made it, but it’s really not something they should be counting on, considering both were injured at the time. In Shane’s eyes, he gave Otis a chance to live and he unfortunately didn’t take it.
Now that doesn’t make what Shane did right on a moral standpoint. I think he shoulda just shot him in the head so Otis wouldn’t have to suffer, but it was a spur of the moment decision. Otis didn’t deserve that death though.
This is why I love Shane. At the beginning, he was good person and didn’t do anything wrong, but his downfall is just sad to watch.
When I go to the store for a soda I put all my leg weights in my back pack which is about 90 lbs just so if this super rare situation happens
Incase you get a part on a TV show?
They should’ve use the car horn to lure them away then come back when the place is less crowded.
Yea they should have sent more than 2 ppl in general. 1 or 2 to draw them away and 2 to grab the stuff
Can you make a video on why the Saviors wouldve succeeded under Simons leadership? Im willing to collab.
Dude no there was not a sacrifice needed.
It was Ricks fault that He DID NOT teach the group the walker guts technique, or let Shane know about it, it was a one time fling and not done again, wt the world?
WOAH!
If they did the walker technique, Shane instead of killing Otis and Carl by taking him by force and “morality”
This is where morality and tacticality merge.
In order to get to Carl In Time he CANNOT take Otis with him in the car or by walking realistically, it is not possible without sacrificing Carl without time equivalent speed with Carls injury.
He needs to leave him behind, IN ORDER for both to live and Carls life.
Knowing Otis need to say he was willing to get left behind as well as Shane they would have agreed that this was the best scenario this would mean that Shane would have higher chance to live as he would get to the farm in the universe time and save Carl.
ITS WHAT OTIS WOULD HAVE WANTED.
⭐️In this Universe Shane knows about the guts technique and puts all over him and Otis.
Like RICK TAUGHT GLENN.
So they make a plan that Shane has a better chance to make it to the car even with his injury.
As Otis is not physically fit, Otis agrees and wants the best chance for the boy Carl to get his meds even if it means Otis is at a disadvantage for the night.
As the night dawns Carl will slowly recover as Otis slowly enters into hell and chaos as he knows haw will be stuck with walkers for a very long time at least the night (10-13 hrs) before the group goes to rescue him.
Shane promises to Otis that he will tell the group that he will come back for him in the morning when everyone is rested and ready to rescue him not Rick as he is tending Carl.
Or if it’s really Nightmare mode and Otis knows it’s going to get bad real quick, everyone except the grimes family and dale go to get Otis and Glenn doing a diversion at midnight.
Shane decided a quiet spot for Otis to hide in with his guts disguise, and to stay there for the night until they come.
THIS IS THE LOST ENDING I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE.
Shane’s good motive lead to wrong execution.
Well yeah. Walkers are not that smart or fast they should had got to the car faster if Shane's overzealous ass didn't shot Otis
If i recall correctly, there was a few moments where they just stood around letting the walkers catch up. for example: right before Shane shot Otis, they stood there and talked for a few seconds as the walkers gained on them. I think the main thing that killed Otis was hesitation and poor planning, like @FDR_progressive_liberal said in their comment: they should've had one of them in the truck as a distraction. It kind of feels odd to me that neither of them did something like that, considering Shane had the forethought to use flares to distract the walkers on their way in, not to mention that Otis was the one putting walkers in Hershel's barn and would obviously have experience around them, it just feels like they got dumber the longer they were at the high school.
Clap back level: 100
Love it XD
If they covered themselves in walker guts, they would have been able to survive, both of them!
1. That takes time. They didn’t really have that time, or a safe location.
2. I don’t think they knew that trick. Shane wasn’t in Atlanta when the group used that trick. And Otis? He doesn’t know much.
@@TheRealCaptainGold michonne was nearly dead, at the prison she had a leg shot she sliced a walker and their guts fell all over her then the zombies stopped chasing her so I don’t think it’s a matter of time that you are arguing
As in for Shane knowing that trick or Otis, fair enough, but the question is if they both could have survived and the answer is yes if they knew that trick
People really don't understand context very well, do they.
Their WHOLE conversations in those scenes revolved around how 1 or BOTH of them were not gonna make it. They knew that BOTH of them were done for if something wasn't done. Shane offered for him to be the one that stayed behind to allow Otis enough time to escape. Otis wouldn't have it and was dead set on both of them going down. So Shane took matters into his own hands.
It seems like the scene is divisive in part because it breaks immersion or otherwise makes it difficult to engage with given the general millieu of zombie lore, making the job of discussing it entirely from a Watsonian perspective and engaging with it seriously just that much more difficult or just unpalatable to many.
They both couldn't make it bc the plot demanded it. Just like the plot demanded stumbling and bumbling zombies to have coherent footing and not trip over each other and debris strewn across the parking lot. Let's not even assume they would trip and fall down the very hills and inclines mentioned. Somehow, they can even walk up stairs just fine without falling. Who could've guessed? 👀 Good research tho.
More walking dead plz ๑ᴖ◡ᴖ๑
You need to talk about the ones who live
Otis could’ve dropped some layers. Both of them could. They could’ve use the bleachers to do that. But maybe I’m tripping. It’s been a long long time since I’ve watched that episode. But the way I see it Shane didn’t have to kill him 1. Drop some layers. The bleachers should give you time. 2. It’s Shane’s fault anyway. For not making sure. All the walkers were clear of the window. Why did Otis. Deserve to die for his mistake.3. Why not give both bags to Otis. After he dropped layers. 4. Even better. Give both bags to Otis. And distract some of the herd away from him. He’s the able-bodied person, right. Maybe the walkers. Will leave him alone completely. If you draw enough attention. 6:23 fat can be athletic to. Going to have to disagree with you there
Hey. Do a video about T-DOG. could T-DOG have survived at the prison?
Yeah I agree
Shane could have been more merciful and shot Otis in the head. He would have been fresh enough to eat and not have been eaten while still alive because Shane kneecapped him.
i will say the only thing i might have to disagree with is 56 lbs is a light pack for a marine they are wearing body army, combat helmet, your rifle is 12-16 lbs by itself, and Shane was a state trooper in good condition, he is use to being pushed physically and has been trained for working on low to no sleep. as for otis -_- LOL
from playing state of decay for 9 hours, i can confirm they would not both be able to make it out alive.
case closed
It's a Shane what happened to Otis. But let's face it, he was way too fat~😕
W vid
RIP otis
Your right but according to your logic shane didn't need to kill otis then, rather just take the bags and go up ahead, have otis use the last of his ammo while shane continues by the time otis finishes shane should have made a good enough distance that if otis were to be grabbed it'll be a better distraction compared to shooting otis and wrestling with him for as you say 36 seconds getting more tired and hurt in the process, otis would have died either way this time just a bit closer to car but nothing would have changed, and the best thing would have been that shane wouldn't have been laid on by otis so he'd be better health wise in canon so hed be faster.
At the point where Shane kills Otis, both men only have one round in their guns.
@TheRealCaptainGold doesn't matter shane should have said for otis to stay behind for a bit to catch his breathe while he takes the stuff and he goes up ahead. Otis was willing to die for carl, he literally said that shane leaves otis, otis waits the same time as they fought in canon and then he continues, now more rested.
Otis now has a decent chance of survival now without the gear on him and if he doesn't survive it doesn't matter because now he's distracting the walkers and shane gets away the same like in canon, shane meanwhile has more stamina due to the lack of fighting (even in canon shane knew he had to wrestle otis for his supplies), and has a 36 second head start (again shane knew he had to waste time fighting otis). And the best thing is that in a absolute best scenario both shane and otis survive.
But I can't blame shane he's human and like everyone he makes tactical errors shooting otis is one.
@@nani4249
1. Shane is actually more injured than Otis. So, you’d want Otis to carry the bags further up. Not Shane.
2. A 36 second break isn’t gonna be enough to refresh their stamina. As someone who’s worked at Amazon warehouses, trust me. That ain’t no break lol
3. You’d still have to waste time waiting for the guy left behind. Gives the Walkers time to catch up. And if the dude with all the bags trip, he ain’t got no one to help him up. Not a bullet-proof plan. Best plan is the plan that gets the Walkers off of their a**es and that’s cappin’ Otis.
Fact of the matter is, at that point they were cooked. If you want them both to survive, you have to change their decisions earlier in the raid. But that’s not the point of this video. The point is to show how delusional it is to say “they could’ve both made it!” at the point Shane shot Otis.
@TheRealCaptainGold 1. Not shane would still be faster and would still have a higher chance of survival than otis
2. The break for otis isn't entirely for him to recover just for shane to go up so if or when otis does get grabbed at least shane is further and there would be logic for otis to stick behind for him to recover energy more, even if it wouldn't help much. (So more like a mentality such as I'll rest here for 15 seconds and then go forward, more powerful)
3. Did I say shane would have waited for otis, if otis was right there and shane drove up to him then that'd be good both get to survive and it wouldnt a big lapse of judgement, but if otis was to far away or shane couldn't see him he drives away instead the plan was for otis to maybe live but shane survive. And shane would be more likely to trip if shane did what he did in canon fight otis for the bag, and then run with 2 bags.
You said the best thing is to get the walkers of there a**s yet that shooting otis only got the walkers off shane behind, the best plan would have been having otis wait around under the idea of rest and recovery for shane to run forward with the bags, then when otis decides to walk again he does and if he gets grabbed at least shane survived and shane wouldn't feel as bad as he did and if somehow otis managed to survive as long for shane to go in the car and see him if the risk is to high leave otis and if the risk is low drive to him.
I feel like you gave me amunition to just destroy your argument. So youre telling me that not only did the two men lose 34 seconds in a fight because of the gun shot(making Shane even more exhausted than he already was) you are also telling me that its insanely hard to carry a 50 or so pound bag with an injured ankle. Now comes the fun part, youre telling me its better for Shane to carry 100 pounds worth of equipment alone instead because Otis dying buys him time?Wouldnt them sharing the equipment load buy them time and save energy of carrying such heavy weight? Not having a fight saves time? Having four hands to kill any walkers who come across them instead of just two hands.Not to mention that the 100 + pounds would increase the load on Shane who was already barely limping, it would be next to impossible for a human to carry 100+ pounds very far, let alone with a freaking injured ankle. This scene does not make any sense whatsoever but you making this video just makes it even more clear that shooting Otis was just about the stupidiest thing to do. You sir, need to keep buying condoms because we dont need more people like you who might shoot people because youre bad at math. (I am of course joking about the last comment. This was a great video and cool but very flawed perspective)
Okay you should have said they should have had one get the stuff and the and the other one should have kept walking and distracting the zombiesand then running
they needed better weapons and a better plan to get out of that, its that simple
entirely unrelated
@@chippdbanjo no its not, they had more shotguns and higher capacity pistols on the farm if Otis left his bolt action rifle at the farm and took a shotgun and he borrowed another pistol from someone else they would of been better off
@@gerardmcquade9102 yeah but this is about if shane was right to shoot otis, they couldn’t have time to plan
If I remember correctly, the group didn’t arrive at the farm before Otis and Shane left. The group had all the guns. And they weren’t gonna wait for them to get to the farm, because time was on short supply. Only reason Lori made it to the farm was because Maggie grabbed her on horseback.
Regardless. The video is about the specific moment Shane decided to shoot Otis. Not the entire raid itself.
@@TheRealCaptainGold Glen and T dog were already there and they both had better guns and if they had those guns on the most important mission there would of been no need to sacrifice anyone and it doesn't take that long to do
Shane should of gone and got Glenn
I think Shane wasted time in shooting Otis
To be fair, I'm pretty sure some of those walkers were varient walkers because reg walkers are super slow, so those walkers must've been super fast
No otis was too fat and heavy and slow he had to go lol shane shooting him was the best thing he could. he did everything right except his obsession with Lori he had no chance with her him being Rick's number 2 and overseer was his position and he wouldn't take it and that's why he died in my book
The only critique I have is on the weight, though overall I agree with you. Maybe it was the unit I was in but we never carried less than 75 pounds in our ruck sacks. Most marches had a mandatory weight of 100 pounds that would be weighed by our sergeants. I think overall, they had about a 50% chance to both survive. But with that in mind and with Carl's life on the line, I agree with the choice he made.
Otis was tired and fat. He wasn't gonna make it. Shane did what he had to do.
Actually my question is why didn’t they just take the car shoot a Round off And heard would’ve followed The car leaving to Shane or Otis to be able to go and grab as much as they need make a few trips The more I think about it the dumber they were
I’m still trippin on the fact that Carl shot the random innocent kid for no reason in (I think) season 3
He wasn't innocent he was a liability and a danger to the group.
Sure he could have joined them but what if he didn't?
That was only a big moment because Rick realized Carl had already stopped being a kid then and what the new world had made of him made him upset
The second time when the Governor raided the prison? That one kid in the raid that Carl, Hershel and Beth ran into?
Hershel: Drop it son.(Pointing gun at the kid).
Kid: Yeah. Sure. Take it. (Instead of dropping the shotgun he kept the muzzle pointed at Carl).
So instead of dropping the gun he kept his gun pointed at them, ask them to come and take it. Lol
@@SCH292
He didn’t keep it pointed at them. His finger wasn’t even on the trigger.
@@TheRealCaptainGoldIf you been around guns it only take one swipe and that thing can go off.
If he dropped the gun and kept his hands up but Carl shot him after. Carl might be in the wrong. In this case he kept holding the gun, ask them to come and take it while slowly moving forward and slowly muzzle sweeping towards them.
@@SCH292his hand was on the barrel, no where near the trigger, the gun itself was pointing away from Carl, with an old man and child pointing a gun at him. For him to shoot Carl would’ve taken far more time than it would’ve taken for Carl or Hershel to merely squeeze a trigger.
Carl was wrong af there. Being around guns doesn’t mean anything. Plenty of folks spend 1000s of hours out on a range, mastering the art of shooting a stagnant target. Basically a skill that won’t ever save your life in a situation like this (or any combat situation lol).
Shane and Otis could have escaped together because of how slow the zombies that were “chasing” them were they could’ve made it to the car and reversed away
Someone didn’t watch season 2 lol
@@TheRealCaptainGold I didn’t have to I watched the episode in question and the zombies were a enough of a distance away from them they posed no threat also I want to add the equipment weight really wasn’t a factor in the show because how Shane walk off with 150 lbs of equipment ?
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Sorta easy to walk away when the zombies ain’t after you anymore. Weight reduced their movement speed. Fact of the matter is, they were cooked at that moment. I don’t think you realize just how far 400-800ft + is.
And no you didn’t. Those walkers were catching up to Shane when he was running lol they weren’t shamblers in seasons 1 & 2, they often jogged lol and used rocks to break glass doors and one even climbed a fence in Atlanta. These walkers would have caught them.
@@TheRealCaptainGoldthe guy you’re debating’s never ran a mile in his life😂 anyways I did a calculation based on how fast Shane and Otis were walking from where they fell initially to where Otis died vs the walkers jogging over where they fell to where Otis died and my result’s showed Shane and Otis being served for dinner as well as Carl dying in surgery
I Will always call BS on them not being able to make it as they spend way too much time wrestling on the ground and The walkers didn’t catch up to them until like a few seconds after Shane left Otis they could’ve easily made it The walkers were slow
In my opinion.
The issue isnt Otis sacrificing himself, if Otis had just stayed behind like Shane told in his fake story, nobody would of have batted an eye, the problem is that Shane is willing to take such actions just to save his gut, without thinking about other people than himself
A comment from Clashed Prs Shane video explained this perfectly:
ProfessuhLemon:
"His selfishness was the problem, his attitude on the apocalypse and walkers and survival were all right. But that attitude only existed to ultimately serve himself, not for the better of the group. If Rick, or Daryl, or Glenn or anyone else were in Otis's place, they'd get a bullet too. That's why Shane had to go."
I covered this in my other video. Shane offered to sacrifice himself and Otis wouldn’t allow for it. It’s as Robert Kirkman himself stated in an old interview - Shane initially was not a “dastardly villain” he really did genuinely care about the group. That is, until his mental state deteriorated to the point where he was too far gone. Killing Otis added severely to that mental decline. He didn’t want to kill Otis. He didn’t feel good about it. If he really was selfish and uncaring, it wouldn’t have affected his mental state in the way that it did. Shane had adapted faster than anyone, but this quick adaptation didn’t allow his mind and emotions to catch up. So, despite the fast adaptation - Rick would ultimately be stronger than Shane.
I encourage anyone to rewatch the episode (and the one prior). Hell, rewatch the first two seasons and watch the deleted footage. Shane wasn’t selfish and stuck with Otis until there wasn’t any other choice left for him. Anyone who says this was a “selfish” decision doesn’t understand the character or the events depicted in the episode. Shane isn’t too far gone during the episode he sacrifices Otis. This version of Shane would have saved Otis if he could, because he saved him and covered him more than once prior to the sacrifice.
@@TheRealCaptainGold I agree that Shane cared about the group but some of his traits came out before, like when the group got trapped in Atlanta and Shane didnt want to save them, and Amy got mad at him for that.
@@vpv2036Given the circumstances the group was dealing with, I can't blame Shane for not wanting to risk anymore lives. And the group in Atlanta, if not for Glenn saving Rick - they would've been cooked. And, of course, Shane had no idea the protag would be in Atlanta with the group lol But in my view, Shane was just being pragmatic and realistic. Even lifeguards understand that some waters are too dangerous to attempt a save. Hell, since Rick and the group left to save Merle (and to get the guns), the camp ended up being nearly overrun due to a lack of manpower. (Showing the merit behind Shane's cautious approach to survival).
Shane literally told Otis to leave him behind. If you rewatch it, Otis basically tells Shane that he will not leave without him. In that moment, you can see Shane get pissed. He was willing to sacrifice himself for the slight chance of Carl possibly getting to keep his life. And what he saw in that moment and the realization that Otis mindset would get them both killed and Carl would die either way. He did what he had to do.
@@TheRealCaptainGoldexactly people don't understand that Shane cared about the group throughout his two seasons on the show. But I'd say his problem was that he acted on his emotions hell Rick said it himself "he's a good guy but he's his own worst enemy" i genuinely believe that if Rick had killed Randell before Carl showed up we'd have seen Shane's character live for awhile since he's one of if not the most important character to not only ricks survival but the groups since his impulsive but powerful actions made such an Impact on the group.
Yes they definitely both could of escaped, they wrestled for like a full minute
34 seconds. In that time, the Walkers caught up.
@@TheRealCaptainGold Yeah because they were wresting
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Point being it wasn’t “like a full minute” half of a bottle isn’t like a full bottle. Some of y’all can’t help but exaggerate things to make a point lol
Bro literally in that episode once he kills Otis there like 40 feet away from the car
They aren’t.
gotta say... you're wrong about most things in this video, but wrong most about it being the right thing to do, they had plenty of other options Shane just wasn't smart enough to be able to consider any of them
Wrong.
@@TheRealCaptainGold lol fair
no, becuase the writers of the script killed them....?
No s*** Sherlock lol
Yet Shane somehow managed to get away with 115lbs of medical gear on his back (his and Otis'). The approximately 34 seconds was still plenty to continue moving they were being chased from one side that being behind them and had overall a clear stretch. If it took the zombies 34 or so seconds to reach the incapacitated Otis then they both had plenty of time
Sorry but the argument is weak. You really arguing that Shane had a better chance getting away from the slow shambling horde while carrying the gear of two men with over half a minute to spare if they were to simply stand still before the horde got within grabbing distance while he has an injured leg on uneven terrain while also exhausted than if Otis was with him carrying half of their supplies? Sorry but no Shane had no reason to kill Otis aside from losing his marbles.
Hey. Dummy - the horde wasn’t after him after chowing down on Otis. That was the point lol
@@TheRealCaptainGold there was zero need to get to that stage. A horde will pick him clean quickly and those who can't reach him will continue chasing Shane
Point is you just doubled the weight you are carrying while on an injured leg for absolutely no good reason doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why that is bad especially when those "chasing" you are walking at the speed of a grandma on a walker and are anything but a threat unless you purposefully let them get close.
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Point is, the walkers were busy eating Otis and it wouldn’t take them seconds to do it. Cope.
@@TheRealCaptainGold when there's 100's it definitely would seeth some more 😁
lol all that bluster and talk and 'petty' and it comes down to this: it ain't right what Shane did and no amount of hand-wringing is gonna get you there, Capt. I respect your opinions but we'll just disagree and I hope I'm never on a zombie run w/ you and things get a bit hairy. you'll take me out and pat yourself on the back for doing so later in a video :P
Saying something ain’t right, ain’t an argument. Lol And hey, I wouldn’t cap you immediately. That’s a sort of last resort option. 🤙🏻
This is a stupid argument to begin with. Should they have done this or that is irrelevant. Its was just a TV show.
Then why bother commenting??? Lol