Bargains vs Budget Busters! The Cheapest and Most Expensive Trucks At The 2024 Chicago Auto Show!
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Great video! I love the budget models.
Glad you like them!
@@TFLtalk Missed Jeep & RAM altogether. Mentioned the Gladiator but never got to it.
@@strykerentllc They were not present.
@@rossthompson4990 Thanks. That explains it and TFL should've mentioned it. That move says they're in $ trouble so it should get interesting real fast.
Seems like all the full size trucks are budget busters.
If you are thinking 40k is affordable then you been shopping trucks too long.
i think its Porsche
That's the new reality. $40K IS affordable in today's truck market. But you're going to get a turbo 6 or turbo 4 with no 4X4.
@@mplslawnguy3389 better of buying the Nisan for 30k and 6500lbs of towing
If people stop paying ridiculous prices then manufacturers can’t justify it.
@@mplslawnguy3389 In what way is it affordable? The median salary in the US is around $50k. A 40K truck is 80% of the median wage. In no way is that affordable to the average person.
Just because it is he cheapest available, does not mean that it is affordable.
$44,000 for a standard cab vinyl seat, plastic door panels and floor with crank up windows is far from cheap or a bargain. Good luck finding one of those on a lot too. That’s probably a special order and they’ll charge for that.
It wouldn’t be an episode of TFL without Andre being reminded he doesn’t have cruise control in his Colorado 😂
“Yes dude.” *Andre voice*.
I love it 😂😂
They should make a shirt that says have you seen my cruise control!!!!
Cruise control is for the weak anyway
Poor Andre😂😂😂
Like frogs in luke warm water we are slowly being boiled into thinking these prices are ok. They aren't. I would love to see just how much profit is made off the sale of one of these trucks. I am certain that we would all become very angry when we see its pure greed and not some razor sharp margin.
Since the late 90's manufacturers have been trying to convince people they need a truck rather than cars. Truck prices are too cheap. The question is 'do you need a truck' if you never use the bed and the back seats rarely?
I think it’s the opposite Everyone is waking up
Porsche did this too. No matter how small the dealer is they always had a 911 turboS on the floor. It was $200k. They were gaslighting everyone to get used to a $200,000 911
No one buy any! That's how we stop the price gouging. I want a nice new truck I have never had one but I refuse to over pay
@@kumudukulasekara6684 For a 6'1" average build, you need something bigger than the typical small car, and larger cars are no longer available.
I'm sure you run your business on razor thin margins. After all it's not about rewarding yourself for your hard work, it's about giving the customer the best deal possible. Also stockholders can suck it. 😂
Would need to be a comparative (to others), because $40k is not a bargain for a basic truck. 6-figure price tags is beyond 'budget buster', it's "insane price gouging"
Exactly. I wish I knew where all these peoples money trees were so I could claim some.
Thank you. I can’t believe they’re talking about 77k and up and debating if it’s a bargain or not. Like gtfo of here.
I would love to have the iforce TRD red and black Tacoma or the raptor ranger and I would go get one tomorrow if they were fairly priced. It's a horrible financial decision to go get in debt for any 50k+ vehicle if you don't make 200k a year
15 years ago a 1/2 ton truck was about 1/10 the price of a base Porsche 911. Now they have 1/2 tons that are the SAME price as a base 911. That’s gouging plain and simple
@@jimsteinway695 Not gouging. It’s Porsche people buying trucks and want “Porsche” like performance.
It’s all dumb. It’s like believing inflation isn’t real and the border is secure.
That moment when you realize you're poor since none of these seem like a bargain 🙃
More and more people are importing old kei trucks for this reason.
Not only are trucks too expensive, but the additional forced upgrade packages are getting out of hand.
And then the idiots in the comments compain that every truck doesnt have every feature under the sun and the ability to rock crawl.
The consumers are stupid unfortunately. And if a few buy expensive trucks they dont have to worry about making them for the masses. They are making money.
@@adamnagel7436
Don't Worry About The Fools That Pay Anything.
Remember That PT Barnum
Said a Fool IS Born Every Minute.
No one is forcing you to do anything
The new trucks are incredible. Refined. Great technology. Very capable. But to just state what so many have - they are just unaffordable. I don’t know how many of these they plan to sell and to who. But the prices are a jaw dropper.
They are selling.
The reason they are so expensive, is because they sell like ice cubes in Hell...
I have nothing to back this up, but maybe it’s becoming more profitable to sell lower volumes at the highest prices for general buyers. Fleet sales are another monster, but fewer trucks means fewer people on production lines. Just a guess with zero evidence.
I don't think they are selling and just because some sell doesn't mean the person can afford what they went in debt for
If you don't have a business but only buy a truck to sit up higher than others, etc, maybe it's time to buy another type of vehicle you can afford or buy a used truck.
My dad was in the HVAC business for almost 50 years, he never bought loaded trucks for the company. I remember him buying 1973 C10 customs for $2600 and him complaining about the price. Later in life he started buying used fleet trucks for the crews. The last new personnel truck he bought was a 91 D250 with Cummins @ $18k, i can’t imagine what he’d say about prices if he were still with us. 🤦♂️
Reagan created a monster. Profit is not enough now. It's profit growth thanks to Reaganomics.
The prices would give him a heart attack/stroke/aneurysm 1 or all 3.
I can’t believe how much trucks are. I remember wanting a 1991 Toyota 4x4 Pickup (Hilux) regular cab 4-cylinder with manual; shift, windows, locks and hubs on sale for $11,000 from $16,000. Now 33 years later in January 2024 I just bought a 2023 Tacoma Access Cab TRDOff Road base for $41,000 out the door after all taxes and fees here in Hawai’i.
@@J.Young808 Aloha, I was stationed at Kaneohe MCAS 83-86.
Started building a new Ranger on the website and quickly realized how much easier life will be to buy used. These prices are stupid.
I was looking at 1/2 ton trucks 5 years old and 100k miles. They still wanted 38k.
Chevy launched the Colorado refresh at the right time. Toyota is going to wipe the floor with anyone. And Ford will be left with very poor demand for the Ranger. Abysmal looks and pricing.
@@just4ivaylo92 111k for the Raptor 😂😂😂
Great video!!! For my budget, it's either the Maverick or the Frontier!! Everything else is too expensive!
It’s not just you…. It’s most people. But ford don’t want to make more mavericks so we get ….well, not much.
As the owner of a 22 Frontier S, I would recommend it. It's a very nice, well mannered towing vehicle for 36k.
@@tgoods44 It looks like a nice mid size truck
My 2024 Frontier is excellent.
A lot of truck for the bucks.
I was so excited about the new Tacoma since I have had three of them over the years. I was all set to order a 2024 TRD Sport 4x4 optioned up and my local dealer....after laughing at me for expecting to get one in the next 6 months gave me a price of $60,880. I have a 2017 Tacoma SR5 4x4 double cab long bed with navigation and all options that I ordered in 2016. Paid $34,520 for it. Uhhhh, what? Even an SR5 with the long bed 4x4 now is $50K. Im out, done, this is crazy. On Monday Im buying an unsold 2022 RAM 1500 Classic Warlock quad cab, long box with navigation, the tech, luxury and protection packages. MSRP $52400, paying $39980.
I built a 4x4 2024 SR. As base as you can get. 38.5k gets you less horsepower, less torque, and less towing than an AWD Maverick with the tow package lol. And that's the Focus/Escape platform.
So a top level trim unsold 2022 4th gen Ram 1500 that first hit the market in 2009, and for some odd reason (entry level pricing?) has been kept in production alongside the 5th gen Ram that hit the market in 2019, and is already in its 6th year of production.
But hey if it's a new truck with a full warranty and the price is right and you don't mind living in the past, I can see that being a good deal! I can also see why it's a '22 and still unsold until now. The dealer was no doubt happy to see you. I hope you got a smoking hot deal on it cuz you should. :)
@@just4ivaylo92yeah it's the C-Class compact platform that also underpins the Bronco Sport and about six other models in addition to the Focus and Escape. The Maverick is tapping all that pent up demand for a compact affordable truck.
PLEASE borrow one of those ARMY trucks and use it to (1) run the Ike Gauntlet, and (2) run the off-road trails at TFL Farm. PLEASE!
Full size trucks are no longer "blue collar" - they're the trucks of the upper middle class. Construction business owners and executives.
The pricing categories: Highway Robbery Lane(Market Price) , Poverty Lane(Market Plus Wish List) , Fast and Furious Lane(Market But you are Broke and In divorce Court) , 1% Lane(Market for the Uber Rich).
Arrg! I was really hoping the camera would catch the payload sticker on that trailhunter! TFL should do that by default on every offroad vehicle by pointing out the payload while zooming in on the payload sticker.
Great video of all the nice but super expensive trucks. No way I would pay $45k and above for a truck so I bought a Maverick and if I need anything bigger, I'll just rent it for the day and invest that extra $15k I saved. Thanks for showing us around the show. Very appreciated.
F250 at a local was marked up to 102k!!! It’s a freaking truck. You can get an insanely good luxury car for that much money.
Less Money 🤑💰
Nice video of the trucks and cars. but prices are crazy.
If only Toyota and Nissan would get back to making a compact truck for the USA, the new Hilux Champ would be a great start for Toyota and it looks better than the Tacoma and Tundra and its a proper regular cab.
trucks are getting crazy expensive. glad i got my maverick when i did. keep up the great work guys!
Imagine building a basic 4x4 truck without all the crap and selling it for $30k OTD. Most of these new trucks will never sell.
12,000 sold in January? I helped with that number, and I love my Maverick XLT.
The one thing Ridgeline has that I wish my Maverick had is the 60/40 split fold up rear seat.
The cyber truck is an updated Chevy lumina van. Silhouette lol
The only way prices will ever come down is if the government regulates the vehicle market and set limits on how long you could finance a vehicle. Can you imagine what would happen if you could only finance a vehicle for 4 years. A 75,000 truck at zero percent interest would be 1562.5 a month.
I agree, also the banks need to stop lending stupid amounts of money for these trucks, at least require 20% down payment. Let see who can come up with $20k down payment.
Without discussing price, I had closely looked over a Ford Raptor at a dealer showroom. It's just an image toy. The snapped on plastic surrounds and exposed underside wiring looms appears potential trouble for even general off-road. Guess I just expected better for this day and age. That aside, the assembly quality wasn't there. The offset gaps at the tailgate and body. Also noted distorted rubber gasketing and trim.
The question becomes how much higher before trucks are priced beyond the reach of all but the very wealthy? On the positive side it appears that the decade of gray, white, silver, and black is over, nice to see so many bright blues, reds and yellow vehicles.
Stellantis isn't there
They couldn't afford the entry fee.
They had nothing new to show.
Anything made by Ford being called "aspirational"....😂😂😂...yeah if your aspiration is to buy an over priced lemon 😂😂
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Crazy! Clearly ford won with the all ranges of budget friendly. Breakdown: MAVERICK! Ranger Raptor for $56k 😮. I can get a full size f-250 with 6.8 in the 50’s and the 7.3 in the 60’s without the lame auto start stop😂😂. Ford hands down clearly wins!
25:01 🤣 "Too soon" 😂
Welcome to Chicago, guys! You got great weather this weekend! 🙌
The ranger raptor isn’t a bargain. Because the dealer will add 15k, like they add 5-6k to the mavericks. And then it’s 70k like every other full size truck you showed.
Your videos are always excellent. I look forward to the extensive level of detail that you go into. Keep up the great work!
🔥You Guys Did A Great Job At The Show
This and the car discussion were awesome.
I knew jeep was backing out of auto shows but i didnt realize they fully gave up 😭 the only American company able to hold up is Ford, dodge is italian and GM has been running on tax dollars for far to long
Except the most American made truck there was the Honda Ridgeline, probably followed by the Tundra. From parts to assembly.
Hate to break it to ya but Ford gets more in subsidies than GM - by only a few hundred thousand, but still.
@@Dusdaddy maybe cybertruck might be most usa content ?
@@lesterng5748 he is confused…
@@lesterng5748 You are correct! Totally forgot about that one?
I enjoyed the price analysis and you guys open my eyes to possibly going with a midsize in the future as my full size is getting older! Thank you for all the great work you do.
Love the all new Ranger! The gen2 '19-23 was awesome. 💯
what ever happened to the working mans standard truck? would never pay these prices, buy used dont need a screen, power options, computers, buttons etc
I think it's a safe prediction that Nissan's Frontier pickup will sale well in 2024. Most reasonably priced real truck and a naturally aspirated V-6. These small twin-turbo engines are a unknown as far as longevity, I just can't trust them yet. People are right about auto makers and dealers having priced themselves beyond buyers grasp. The money is just not there. What world does the auto industry live in? Do they not hear the buying public crying out?
The Ranger Raptor could be a bargain if you can get a dealer to sell at sticker. Seeing serious mark-ups on them by dealers. Would love one, but refuse to pay.
It's a shame the compact Rampage 🐏 and Hilux aren't on US shores. We need more vehicles starting around $30k, because not everyone needs leather interior, heated steering wheel,etc...The Maverick has proven the demand for a compact truck.
Great job finishing this year 🙌🏽 👏🏽 and thanks for sharing the video with some good tunes 🔊 🎶 🎸 👍🏽
42 grand and can't sit in the back seat with the front all the way back
Man new car prices are atrocious in such a short amount of time
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Note the reason for the audio change with a quick explanation and never have to skip over something important again.
Great video! The Toyotas are on target with most all features EXCEPT the lack of auto 4WD and a/c vents in the back.
The MAVERICK looked to be ROOMIER IN THE BACK, than the mid size trucks, lol !!
Tacoma's prices are ridiculous, I bought the first TRD Pro manual cement grey in 2017 for 40k flat. Today the PRO will be 55k, since the a loaded up Taco on their site is 55k. This is ridiculous, and I'm getting the Ranger Raptor all day every day for 55k than a loaded Taco and even a Pro Taco.
Could you guys try to start w/the cheaper trucks then work you way to the Super Duty(s) type trucks that most of us can’t afford anyway.
The retro themed Frontier is pretty cool, the gloss black nose idk but the rest is neat. My family had an old Pathfinder years ago and the tough Nissan stuff still has some pull for me
What about dealer markups in the thousands ? Unwanted dealer add ons ? Shipping ? Set up charges ? Etc , Etc , Etc , . AND 6.00 dollar a gallon fuel ? High Interest on the loan . And Fords warranty issues , recalls ? TIME TO GO FULLY MODERN AND BUY A REAL TRUCK - TESLA CYBERTRUCK
I remember when you could get a ranger for 19k
I bought a brand new ‘98 extended cab XLT for 13,995. I couldn’t believe that I had a payment over $300 for a vehicle😂
And it had a slide for heat vs cool. Technology and creature conforts are what people want and are a huge driver in cost because companies need to be spending hundreds of millions on "what's next" R&D.
Technology has allowed vehicles to be far more reliable and long lasting and comfortable than ever before but there's also a price to pay for that, literally.
@@ryansheard8092 my 20 year old taco will outlast this new stuff.
AND the New RANGER should not be priced over $ 29,000 in my opinion. A 4 cylinder is a 4 cylinder. It shouldn’t be priced like a V6 or V8.
@@untheist5533 based on what? Making statements like that is nutty. Just arbitrarily assigning price to something isn't very logical. BTW, my turbo charged 4 cylinder will out work and outlast your V6 all day.
I can’t believe how much trucks are. I remember wanting a 1991 Toyota 4x4 Pickup (Hilux) regular cab 4-cylinder with manual; shift, windows, locks and hubs on sale for $11,000 from $16,000. Now 33 years later in January 2024 I just bought a 2023 Tacoma Access Cab TRDOff Road base for $41,000 out the door after all taxes and fees here in Hawai’i (both trucks were at Servco Honolulu)
I bought a 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4x4 Access Cab 4 cylinder a few months ago specifically because it was a BARGAIN. $33,800 MSRP, purchase price, $32,400. Does all the truck stuff 95% of us need. Get while there are still some left at dealerships!
I really wish I could have gotten one as well last summer. My dad bought the same with the SX package for my stepmom on Maui from Honolulu Servco Toyota for $34,000 out the door and I got my TRD Off Road base in January 2024 for $41,000 out the door. I really was limited in the availability since the 2024’s were only a few weeks from the docks here.
I got the 2023 since the clamshell of the ACab is going away for 2024.
Awesome walkaround fellas
I think the Canyon Elevation is a deal when you consider it’s an upgraded Trailboss.
36:20 The rims on this Frontier remind me of the rims on the first generation Pathfinder , pretty cool.
Trucks can make you money and don’t beat it off-roading.
The big 3 stop with ranger size trucks then market the full size truck and then turn into a luxury grocery getter. Very few cafe rules and huge markup.
Stay safe in Chicago
Meanwhile Stellantis watches from the sidelines.
Toyota screwed the pooch with this 🆕 Tacoma everything from pricing to making you have a hybrid that's basically unreparable if you're on a trail.. just a flawed vehicle! Nice video guys as always
Trend is due to the EU and other countries/states like California pushing for EVs in the future 👎🏼
The best overall value has to be a Nissan Frontier or the Honda Ridgeline. I’m not crazy about Nissan reliability, however the Frontier shouldn’t be to bad since it’s more of a progression than a total redesign. Honda, if you can’t get pass people heckling you for owning a Ridgeline, isn’t actually a bad truck. No, it’s not a crazy off roader or will tow large numbers, but for most truck needs it does that and more. I really hope Honda has a new design coming soon. The new Pilot is fantastic and the Passport and Ridgeline are due for a new generation.
The Ridgeline is insanely overpriced for what it is. It's the reason why I ended up with a Maverick, and I owned an Accord before this...
There is no way on earth I would buy the Nissan trucks. Ever.
I was watching Pick Up Plus. When who comes strolling by? TFL ❤
Trucks are eye watering stupid expensive!! Most being way over engineered has driven up complexity and lowered vehicle quality for longevity.
Totally agree on the Back to the Future movie car thing. So many clean DeLoreans ruined.
Seems like they want to sell less but make the same profits. Who can blame them when auto unions only want to work 30 hours a week.
Maybe if they were paid and treated fair, theyd be whilling to work more? We arnt china, people matter
I’m ready for my zr2 to arrive!
I really like these auto show videos...
When are mid size truck consumers going to realize that crew cabs are pretty worthless unless you are driving the kiddies to soccer practice?
Get a full size or SUV.
Or if you want a "truck", get a king cab and 6 foot bed.
I do wish that smaller trucks like the S-10, Sonoma, Dakota, etc. are made. Make them smaller than the Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado/Canyon, and Ranger.
That way, it's much cheaper, easier to maneuver, and more fuel efficient.
Marine Corps ordered 250 RG31 Mk5E mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP). it's $227.4m for 250. so $909,600.
It is hilarious to watch all the CONTENT CREATORS colliding into each other on the Auto Show floor!!!!
I'm really a BIG fan of the Ranger Raptor. It's such a nice looking truck, in my opinion.
Show us the nissan versa, or a chevette. Those sre bound to fit my budget
Great video gentlemen!
I'll stick with my 2003 GMC Sierra Denali Quadrasteer, most comfortable seats ever. It will also out maneuver all trucks still at 20 years old. If you can find one, you guys need to test drive and showcase it.
The Cybertruck has been anticipated for so long, now that it's here I must admit I'm bored with it. No longer special.
NEWS!!!!! So I talked to a dealership and after the information passed around about no big markups with Ford. This dealership said the Ranger Raptor will be marked up by $10k over sticker price. 🤦🏻♂️I was interested when thinking $56k-$60k but over $65k....WTF. Looks like I will keep to XL or XLT.
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Suzuki really needs to bring the Jimny to America
With inflation, every new car and truck is a budget buster!
I don’t understand they didn’t do a Santafe PHEV or EV when they rebooted it. It has a lot of features you don’t find in Chevy or Ford comparables
Everyone seems to love the truck from "Back To The Future" and the Nissan Hardbody looks very similar to that movie truck. I like the Nissan Frontier Pro-X (2wd) King Cab because it has a 6-cylinder engine and is designed like a classic truck. Even though I don't like technology in a truck I appreciate how Nissan moulded the dash around the touchscreen. I think the Nismo roof rack for the Frontier is ugly and needs some design improvements. I noticed that Honda also figured out how to properly mount a touchscreen into the dash unlike Toyota who put the screen on the dash. If Honda focused on a all-wheel drive sport truck instead of a off-road truck they would have a better city truck than the Ford Maverick. I hate the modern trend to put 4-cylinder engines in trucks. A 4-cylinder works great in a car or small SUV but not a truck. A mid-sized truck needs either a 6 or 8 cylinder high torque engine to move the mass of the truck, cargo, and a trailer. LHT Performance put a V8 in a Chevy Colorado and get 28-30 MPG on the highway which a turbocharged 4-cylinder can't match. When a V8 mid-sized truck is towing on the highway it isn't working hard so it doesn't guzzle gas like a 4-cylinder. Has TFL heard anything about the 2025 Kia Tasman? I don't know if it's real or just wishful thinking. But the Images of the Tasman look good because it is boxy and reminds me of the Jeep Honcho.
Conclusion:Ford Maverick Tremor is the best deal.
🎉 I purchased a 2023 and it's amazing.
Honda Pilot - Why can't they move the push button transmission controls near the steering wheel. I would so appreciate having more storage space between driver and passenger. bring back the column shifters.
Just like 1956 -1965 Chrysler Corporation "pushbutton automatics"...
We were recently in the market for a 3 row crossover. The new Pilot was high on my list until I saw the push buttons. 🤮
My first car was a 1977ish Plymouth Volare. I wish they would make a cars and trucks like that again, but add today's power train and suspension technology.
Anyone who does not have to purchase a new vehicle should strongly consider a used one. Not only are the prices still astronomically, high, coupled with interest rates, but 5 to 10-year-old cars seem to have much better quality than most of the new ones. Partially that is due to the complexity of sensors and computer chips, and these are always expensive repairs/recalls.
49.9k for a lightning is a deal? Gotta love how I make it to a career and car prices moved along with it....
The "bargain" trucks are more likely to be shown at auto shows run by dealer groups. My pick would be the full size ones with a little bit of an appearance package so think Tundra SR5, F150 STX, Chevrolet Custom, Ram Big Horn. All of the mid size trucks are too FratBoy/HighSchool jock off road to be legitimate now.
The cybertruck is the most hideous truck at the show, hands down.
McCormick Place in Chicago is an impressive convention center; over 2.6 million square feet of exhibit space!
For 2nd owner value, used with mileage all those offers seemed fair. Actually some higher than expected.
For owners selling to buy a new vehicle it’s actually sometimes better to trade in for the vehicle you want because compare the trade in price plus the savings in sales tax from that and add the two together and then compare if you can sell it for more then that as a private sale. Sometimes those numbers are greater then selling private party and no hassles or risks. Then having to pay the next vehicle entire sales tax.
If you selling a newer vehicle private party and own it out right. Don’t say in your ad or on phone call you have the title. Say in ad title with local bank and schedule showings during banking hours. That way you won’t be a target to thief’s.
If only Hawai’i did that but they don’t.
I would love for you guys to make a video about your personal trucks, why you bought them, how you like them, etc.
If you want to talk about "bargains", why not compare buying a midsized truck with no options, and doing an after-market lift, tires, wheels, shocks, versus a factory upgrade. Which is better and cheaper? Do you lose all factory warranty if you go off-roading?
You guys should talk more about the ford xl . I would like to see a show on base modle trucks off road capabilaty