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Jonah Hill was incredible in this movie
He is an incredibly underrated actor!
@paperchasin23 I think he did well in both comedy and drama. It was also a health choice for him, and I'm glad he did it. It also seems that his body weight goes up and down - whether he intended that or not.
I remember the hesitation from viewers prior to this film if he could handle such a mature role. Boy did he nail this part! Wtg Jonah! Would love to see him work with Brad Pitt again!
@MANCHESTER UNITED it is a great game. Very popular amongst kids here, but never gets past that age group here for some reason. I really wish more people would take an interest to it here in the states
really, he turns into this awkward analyst very well
the comedy guy or loud dude I've seen him do before; that is NOT this guy
the way he moves his hands and eyes too, haha I really wonder what this conversation was like for the real peter brand
Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill was the perfect casting duo for this film
They were good in MEGAMIND as well.
Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill have incredibly underrated chemistry in this movie. Both of them, own every scene they’re in. Even the scenes together.
How is it underrated
@Mr82rebel Noboy really talks about it honestly. It's kind of disappointing actually cause this is a great movie but it seems like just average people have never seen it
@@EthanR01 Hill was nominated for an Oscar for this and Pitt was widely praised in the role. Its considered one of the better baseball movies of all time. I'd say you are overrating this movies underratedness.
@scottystcloud7086 you're right on that. Pitt was nominated for Best Actor on top of that
Great scene. Probably the best baseball movie ever, and it barely showed any actual ball playing. THIS is exactly how professional baseball is too. It's a business.
My favorite sports movie. Would love to watch a panel with all involved to hear exactly how much was spot on true vs exaggerated for movie, esp from Peter Brandt cause from what i read hes not close with beane (rumor was they made him really fat in the movie on purpose as a dig cause hes not at all in real life)
@MisterImperfect why would an academy award nominated baseball movie be a guilty pleasure?
@MisterImperfect It was nominated for 6 oscars, didn't win though
No Bozos highly debatable this movie has really not aged well. It also has proven that just doing moneyball does not work. Combination of scouting and saber metrics is what works. I think one of the most annoying things about this movie is the Indians gm repeatedly saying that the A’s can’t afford a middle relief pitcher like Ricardo Rincon’s salary. Middle relief pitchers are some of the lowest paid players on every teams roster. Really the only baseball thing that I agree with is chad Bradford was extremely undervalued. Did not understand why the whitesox let him go. All he did was get guys out.
Not really. At the heart of it was a GM who had the chance to move to another team (red sox) to see his vision fulfilled, he didnt because he claimed he wouldn't make a choice based on money again, it should have never come down to that, if he truly believed in what he was trying to do he would have made the move, won a world series and "changed the game" as he hoped to.
This movie really made Jonah Hill a star in my eyes.
My name is jeff!
MANCHESTER UNITED autism intensifies
For me this is jonah hills fattest role
@MANCHESTER UNITED true but baseball players don't flop like bitches when they barely get touched by another player like Soccer players. Soccer is the worst sport ever, filled with pussies.
MAN UTD ya but soccer movies suck
like soccer
Brad Pitt was lucky to have Jonah who provided the ballast for him to bounce around and not look unhinged. This is the power of a great actor. Whether it's the lead or supportive. I really have underestimated Jonah Hill.
He feels like an actual person and not a movie character. Not everyone can do that.
I watch this every year during Spring Training, and usually after the World Series. And also during the dead of winter when I miss baseball. Jonah Hill should have won Best Supporting Actor.
Jonah hill was perfect for this role. He absolutely kills it with every role he does. Co-staring alongside brad pitt in this movie was a great choice by the directors.
In my opinion this is Jonah Hill’s best performance on screen. And even though he wasn’t in it very long, he was pretty good in Django Unchained.
The soft “no” just makes me so happy every time. It’s a man realising that his words will both break and build an entire world he’s essentially just a cog in a wheel of. Masterful, simply masterful.
Legend has it, this is original footage when Brad Pitt met Jonah Hill
Aaron Sorkin makes every line of dialogue in a movie awesome
This was such an amazing scene. Many people have known about these "epic failures" in baseball for a long time but finally someone had the guts to apply math/statistics to fix this problem. Such innovation.
been watching these analytics guys fail over and over again in the playoffs with the yankees. they spend a lot. they use analytics over common sense. and they still fucking lose every year. four years in a row now going in with the same team with their HR heavy strategy because the numbers say that Homeruns wins you playoff games.
I dont mind analytics but watching Boone and Cashman make the same mistakes every year is getting frustrating.
@@TheNegativeDudeThe team that always beats the yankees in the playoffs has a very heavy focus on analytics to develop players. The yankees just buy people who had a career year and decline afterwards
I can watch this movie over and over again, and im not even a baseball fan (Hockey ftw!)
thats me..
I cant stand baseball (nfl guy) but I love this movie too!
@@user-we9oe6pr3e NFL should be dissolved. 10 minutes of football in a 3+ hour game. Over an hour of commercials and ~75 minutes of talking, huddles, standing around, and watching refs. Add in corrupt and/or retarded officials and you have a sham of a league that should not exist. I am convinced the only reason it still does exist is millions of Americans have no life at all outside of watching football and they lack the mental fortitude to find a new hobby/social activity.
Harry Balzak there’s certainly more than 10 minutes of nfl being played. And I wouldn’t call watching something like once or twice a week for 3 hours is someone having “no life” but ok man
@@HarryBalzak I'll alert the media on your opinion!
I love knowing the fact that Jonah could very quickly match Brad's intensity/authority if he so chose.
Different sport altogether, but football (soccer) is suffering a similar level of mismanagement with paying ridiculously excessive amounts for players who aren’t worth the money.
I think in THAT sport it is very difficult to take statistics from individual soccer players and measure them (against one another) the way Jonah Hill was here simply because there is so "little" scoring in soccer. I mean has there ever been a sport on this planet that has had so many games end in a 0-0 tie? How do you "buy wins" in soccer? Moreover, is "winning" all that matters in a sport dominated by franchises with players who look like models marketing every single thing they touch?
@@paulcolburn3855 I feel like buying wins is complicated in soccer. You can have statistically an amazing offense but if your defense bad that makes you an average team. Chelsea is a good example of this. I mean you'd think buying goalscorers would buy you wins but you also have to look at the player and see if they're a good forward in general. I don't really like how much money goes into the sport and how there's seemingly bias in the players. A promising Danish player could be worth 20 mill but if he happens be english that price raises to 60 mill. One thing I like about soccer is that if you have the right coach and the right formation/tactics you can achieve that way even if you have "average" players. Leicester is the last great example of this.
Liverpool proves that money ball works in football too, but you also a manager as good as Klopp
Stanley Tang apparently Klopp was selected based on money ball
@@paulcolburn3855 Scoring isn't the only statistic that they use for Soccer. They use a combination of predictive and descriptive analytics in order to determine success probability. For example, one of the biggest metrics right now in Soccer is expected goals or xG. Expected Goals assesses the chance of a shot becoming a goal using historical data from shots taken at similar angles and distances. The reason why analytics aren't as successful right now in Soccer as they are in Baseball is because Baseball has a set amount of permutations per play that can be all assessed with descriptive analysis while soccer is a lot more insight/context-based- hence why a stat like xG is best analyzed alongside film.
If you just remove the baseball background of this film and look at it from a business perspective: you have a person in management who has been dealt a very difficult hand, but it’s his job to make it work. And he’s listening to someone say, essentially, that he knows how to make the best of the situation and even to make improvements. Any manager with half a brain is gonna want to keep talking to this kid and offer him a job.
My favorite Jonah Hill character and that's saying a LOT.
Nah ... wolf of wall street character was his best performance .
His best performance to me is "anybody bringin' an extra bag?"
These two need to do more movies together.
I think Jonah Hill could play a real dark villan, when you first interact with him in this movie, the mystryirousness about him before knowing who he is was very well done.
Well there is Megamind.
Best baseball movie EVER.
Very damn good baseball movie...but best ever? That’s debatable man. Field of Dreams, Bull Durham, and 42 are way up there too.
Saw this movie recently (no idea how it escaped my attention). Thought it was absolutely brilliant. From a UK sports fan.
If people think "baseball is backwards" then they REALLY ought to check out football (soccer) in Europe. But in places like England, where myths, nonsense and the "we must win now" mentality dominate, it's almost impossible to get rationality into the sport. It does not help that the biggest fans in England are relatively uneducated and distrust being smart and having data.
@@roypiper581 any films that show this like money ball
I don't understand baseball and i don't even watch it, but this movie is one of my top favorite.
This is awesome! The core idea of the movie in one scene
This movie is a masterpiece
I love this movie. Just one little thing they forgot to mention in the entire movie though, they had 3 aces in the rotation. Tim Hudson,Barry Zito and Mark Moulder were absolute studs!!!!
I had wondered why these guys weren't brought to light in this movie. This A's team had a ridiculous pitching staff and a not so bad closer in Billy Koch. Amazing for Koch however, this was really the only year I remember him doing well.
Don't forget Miguel Tejada having an MVP season at SS.
This movie is about thinking differently. I sure as hell don't know jack about baseball.
Here he states that he doesn't "give a rat's ass what your name is" but on multiple occasions when people ask him who the new kid is he simply responds with "That's Pete."
Because when he's asking who he is he's not asking for his name. He's asking what he does and why his player recommendations carried so much weight
@@mooseclamps Everyone else was also wondering about more than just his name.
Ok, I don’t understand your comment, so are you implying that his future boss wouldn’t introduce him by his name (Pete)?
@@Pacific-qu7en I mean that if Billy wants a more elaborate answer than just "Pete" then why not also give other people such elaborate answers?
I agree that wasn't a good way to approach someone who's already cagey about his opinions
Then Johnny Damon hit a grand slam in game 7 of the 2004 ALCS
yeah, but his beard is stupid...
Yeah, I don’t really like when people view this looking at OBP and other Moneyball stuff as solely the new unquestioned science of baseball.
They're just completely wrong about Damon in this scene, even using sabrmetrics.. Look at his WAR converted to $ on Fangraphs vs. his actual salary.
And was worth every penny of that contract
@@ianbent0nyeah basically half this movie is right the other half is totally wrong
This scene gives me goose bumps, if i had time i'd watch some Hattori Hanzo clips but it is late, i need to sleep
Absolutely love this movie. It still is a movie I love to watch not just because of Baseball but because of how something like Baseball has so many layers to it, and these two guys saw the issues and saw eye to eye on how they could change it for a better outcome for their ball club.
Not sure the analysis about Damon aged well, as he helped lead the Red Sox to their first WS title since 1918.
One of the greatest scenes in the history of cinema... I get goosebumps every time watching it. The rhythm, sound, Brad and Jonah, everything's perfectly set in the right place.
Bro it’s not one of the greatest scenes in cinema history 😂😂😂 it’s just a good scene
jmcfan11
Irony is, Damon had four straight all star caliber seasons with the Red Sox that made his $7.5 million a year seem like a bargain. The entire argument against Johnny Damon was based off a bad season in 2001.
plus a world series championship.
Yep. He had that grand slam in 2004 vs the Yankees and then he had one of the most clutch, underrated, heads up plays in Yankee history with the double steal in 2009 vs the Phillies in the World Series.
This is just an assumption but I'm pretty sure whatever models the A's used to measure values could take down years into account. Otherwise, why would they have signed Chad Bradford? He pitched 15 total innings in the 2 years before they signed him. Or Hatteburg who arguably had ONLY down years before Oakland signed him? I think whatever model they were using wouldn't have been swayed too much buy a single down year for Damon, they could have known that he would be worth 7.5 million but that doesnt mean they had the means to pay him that and still have enough to build the rest of their roster.
@@Alex-kd5xc I think the big issue is that all high-producing players who've reached salary arbitration are "overpaid" relative to their younger counterparts, and Oakland decided a good cost-cutting measure was to let Damon go and take the draft pick compensation instead. But I think the movie goes too far in insinuating Damon was overpaid. There were something like 75 guys in 2002 who made more than Damon. There's only so many guys in MLB you can get for bargain contracts that at some point you have to pay the going rate.
The only bias I would always keep is discipline AND Attitude though; because no matter his numbers if a player complains too much or isn't professional I simply don't want him because he will spoil the whole team.
@Ddhfacetyy True, and I agree with that
He is man of the will....great man 💪💪💪
Both of them knocked this scene out of the park. Billy grilling Peter on who he is and how the previous scene played out. Peter anxiously looking around knowing he's cornered, Billy realizing he's being too aggressive and backing off, and then without saying a word he gets Peter to follow him down to the parking level. And Peter, tail between his legs following Billy out of the office but still looking around wondering if anyone else notices he's in the process of being kidnapped. 😆
Small thing I just noticed. The way Damon gives the two thumbs up in the footage, it's the same way Billy gives two thumbs up in the scene before this, during the meeting with Gary. Coincidence, or like a subtle trick to show Billy's influence over Damon? Either way, cool.
One of my favorite movies 🙏💪 jonah hill is Great as always
The dialog is brilliant
Johnny Damon helped the Red Sox win a World Series, and the A’s haven’t won a title since the Billy Beane moneyball era. Love the movie, love how the data was used to get the best players out of a penny pinching owner, but I think teams who truly want to win need to use analytics and spend. The Red Sox “overpaying” for Damon, but having him help them win a title is a perfect example of this.
Yeah because of bill James
Such an awesome movie
Nice!
Jonah Aloma ‘s a very talented actor and seems like a really sweet young man.
How in the world did Jonah hill managed to spark bright with his set cast with Brad Pitt and Leo DiCaprio
He's right only on the presumption of the Australian payroll on what they can pay and not pay. If you gave a team like the Yanks and doing the same thing but with a payroll of 252 million a year, now you know why the Yanks do well enough, but not well enough to win a league Championship or even World Series. But there could be injuries and they could slide in
Except that in the supplementary material the real Billy Beane said that the only thing that sabermetrics changed was how players are scouted and that the advantage still remains in the hands of the primary market teams who can offer more money. One of my dad's high school friends is a co-owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates and he told us that they have their own personal salary cap that they just plain refuse to go over no matter what.
I totally relate to this scene!
Jonah hill’s best acting
Great scene
I wonder what Damon’s reaction was to this?
happy music
Лучший фильм о спорте, лучшие роли Хила и Пита.
this clip came up in my suggestions. I watched it. Crap! now I have to watch the movie...... again.
There are strengths and weaknesses to the idea behind money ball - and those strengths and weaknesses are the reason Oakland made it to the play offs - and then lost.
The idea behind Money Ball - is that you look at a players career and see what his overall stats are. Mainly - they talk about him getting on base.
If a guy has a life time statistic saying that he gets on base a lot - then - over the course of a season of ... what? - 140 games? (IDK) - he should do the same thing he's always done. Thus - over a period of a long time - his stats will play out. If he's been good at getting on base - all his career - then over the course of a season - he should do the same thing he's always done.
That was where statistics shine - over a long period of time. You gather stats over a long period of time - and unless something changes to change those stats - over another long period of time - like a base ball season - those stats should bear out.
The more players who get on base - the more they bump along the guys already on base - and the more runs they get. With a team mostly chosen because they were cheap - but - they got on base - you have these guys, who, one after the other, getting to the plate - and then getting on base ... one after the other eventually win the game. These aren't home run hitters - they're guys who get on base - and bump along the other guys who've already gotten on base - and get them home to score runs.
The problem is - that the stats were taken over a long period of time and while they will probably continue to be valid over another long period of time - that is no indication of what they will be over a short period of time. Play Offs are a Short Period of Time.
I think it was Reggie Jackson whose nick name was Mr. October - because - when it came to the play offs - when it really mattered - he was really good. He was a clutch player. When the pressure was on - these guys exceled. The low paid players of the A's ... start making mistakes. They aren't 7 million Dollars a Year Guys - and they know that. As long as they can keep the averages going for them - they do OK - but if they start making mistakes they can get rattled and ... things slip away from them.
And that is why - Money Ball - helps get a cheap team to the play offs - but they don't win.
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Haven't they done statistical studies, however, that show how the concept of a "clutch" baseball player is actually a myth -- that being clutch in the past does not in any way help predict whether a player will be clutch in the future?
@@davidlamb1107 The thing his - if there have been studies - that doesn't mean they were right. The other aspect of this - is that the Clutch Player and the A's not having them - would be an explanation for their inability to get to the final games of the championship.
But - I don't know - and I'm not a base ball expert, so all I can do is speculate but then - it seems - that speculation is all the people who are experts are doing.
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Bloody awesome movie
my name is norman, i'm your new assistant tank driver
Draft Day is another good one from the (Football) business side of things.
Jonah Hill as Paul DePodesta
Crazy to think he's on the browns now
Starwarman1 look how that’s working out for him lmao
Watching this I had a Babylon 5 moment. The second time Billy asks him "Who Are You?" and he answers with his name again I wanted to slam down my walking stick and yell "UNACCEPTABLE!!".
Londo for the win
Hola, una pregunta: ¿Jonah Hill se puso una prótesis dental para El lobo de Wall street o se hizo un blanqueamiento?
Hola Cenicienta, creo que se usó una protesis dental.
si
Best movie ever.
U need to calm the fuck down
@@mikebell7525 has someone had an opinion you don't agree with and now you're all confused and scared? It's ok. Shhhhhh
Felt like this scene was a bit disrespectful to Johnny Damon. He ended up being something like the 80th highest-paid player in baseball after getting the contract from Boston, and it's not like there were 80 better MLB players than Damon. If you want to say you'd rather roll the dice on prospects obtained through draft pick compensation and leverage the value you get out from those guys of rookie contracts, fine, but $7.5 million for Damon was fair and filled a lot of needs for Boston. Championship windows aren't open forever, so paying a premium price for a player here and there isn't always a poor economic decision.
That's not the point of this. Did you watch the movie? It's not about whether it is fair or even whether he is better, but the cost vs benefit (benefit being wins, or runs). The key to understanding this is to forget about comparing 1 player to another player. That misses the point. You have to consider the combined output of all your players. It's like paying for two 45lb plates to do your bench presses, when you can get four 20lb weights and two 5lb weights for half the cost of the 2 plates. Sure, the 2 plates achieve it with fewer units, but you spent twice as much for the same weight. If all you care about is the weight, then the math gives you the cheapest answer to get there.
@@payasoinfeliz Listen to the exact words the Peter Brand character says: "Is [Damon] worth the $7.5 million the Boston Red Sox pay him? [Scoffs] No..." I disagree with that specific line. Oakland has their own method on how to price players, and that's fair. Damon wasn't worth $7.5 million to them, especially since they got draft pick compensation and simply didn't have a lot to spend. Now, Giambi would've been worth that (and, in fact, he was valued at double that when the A's offered him six and $91 million) in the front office's eyes, but not Damon.
That's why I think the scene is kind of unfair to Damon. The second lead protagonist of the movie says he's "not worth" the contract he got, which seems like a negative remark on the real-life Damon's abilities.
I wish David Fincher directed this movie and I wish Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross did the soundtrack for it. In fact, I wish those three would make the rest of docudramas for all time lol
Brad Holmes probably loves this movie.
Titan and Metro Man voices
I don’t like baseball, but I love this movie
The closed caption was hilarious: "And if I mention it to anybody, I'm a leper." But CC said "And if I mention it to anybody I'm on the left." XD
Freudian slip there YouScrewed?? lol!!
2:58 that’s exactly why he’s worth it. He played for 4 years for the Sox and another 5 years for the Yankees and but he was a good player for a long time. Why because he’s great at baseball, Pete is all about the stats well look at the stats and Johnny was great
Probably one of Jonah Hill's best performances and he'll never get appreciated for it.
I mean getting nominated for an oscar is something
I have never seen this movie, and now I want to watch it, I just can't afford to buy or rent it at the moment. :(
It's a cool concept on paper, but as a baseball fan this doesn't talk about the fact that the a's had Tim hudson barry zito and mark mulder who were one of the best roations of the early 2000's. it doesnt mention miguel tejeda or eric chavez who were perrinial 30/100 guys. The team made the playoffs because they had a few superstars, not because they beat the system and had a clutch scott hatteberg. Hollywood at its finest.
Metro Man and Titan (from Megamind)
so this is what jurgen klopp and michael edwards talk about
"What happened in there? What happened in that room?"
"I'm not quite sure what you're asking me, Mr. Beane"
"Whadd'ya tell Bruce?"
"Just, I like Garcia"
"You like Garcia. Why?"......"Why?"
Brand nervously doesn't respond
Beane walks away, Brand follows him
Brand explains his ideas while they're standing near the elevators in the parking garage
It's like a police interrogation or spy scene in a baseball movie! 😁
Yeah we watched too ffs.
@@SophiaAphrodite But I am blind so this helped me 👁👄👁
My friends: So what's your favorite romance movie?
Me: Moneyball
2 kings
I dont know "a rats ass" about baseball, but this acting was amazing... just amazing... how Jona Hills Face just wasnt doing much but what he did he sold
"Fatalities"- he sold that too
Worked out pretty good for Damon and the Red Sox
The question is whether the Red Sox paid too much for Damon
@@jamescooper705 Winning world series rings is something that you overpay for.
Love this movie..the whole cast was absolute perfect
the commercialisation of sport is a zero end game. it's no longer about entainment and the coliseum. it's about money now not imperfections and human spirit.
Who are you?
$7 Million a year for Johnny Damon. Thats about $21 Mil a year in todays dollar. Analytics is killing the game of baseball. Openers, players dont sign long contracts at 30 when they have 5 good prime years left.
Most 30 year old players not have five good years left.
You think the inflation from 2001 to 2018 is a third of today's dollars? Do you not have a concept of how money works or are you being sarcastic?
Ray C it’s $10 mil in 2019
@@rayc3103 Might be referring to the inflation in baseball salaries. The Red Sox alone will have two guys (Price and Sale) making $30MM next season.
@HandyMan101 What the hell does gold have to do with this? We're talking about standard fiat currency. You speak as if you know shit too. "Do the math"... Fuck off.
Damon would be making 30 million a year or more if we were speaking in terms of today's money and what he can do on the field.
You pay these guys to fill the Seats. People go to Stadiums to see high priced Named players, not rookie free agents who can get on base.
owenbenjamin
Jonah worked with Brad pitt, He worked with Leo DiCaprio he now only has ro work with Tom Cruise
Damon was the catalyst of the red Sox team that finally broke the curse of the bambino and the As are.......still waiting to win a world series. I'm not sure who had the better understanding of baseball here.
Absolutely. Damon ended up hitting one of the greatest HR"s in Sox history: Game 7, ALCS, 2004, a grand slam that ended the Yankees domination of them forever. He was damn well worth $7.5 million a year. He then goes to the Yankees and helps them win the last WS they've won in 2009. All of those 90 win A's teams didn't have the offenses or offensive stars to get to the WS.
And the numbers prove he isn't worth his salary and also proves you two are the idiots that are overwhelmingly part of this sport.
Actors should truly study the parking garage scene and Jonah Hill’s monologue within that space. I may be equipped with a microscope others don’t carry but for those willing to look, look no further. No overacting here. Just belief
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Wait so he studied economics but the dude knows shit ton about baseball tbh this is the first time i am watching it.
deep throat speaks. what is it about parking garages?
this is a special scene, i really loved this movie aswell but...imo this is one of those moments in sports history that kills talented players when they watch this, and turn them from loving and reinventing the game they love and play. into a player that prioratizes stats and just forfilling there job, instead of fueling there talents...u se it in so many sports. football(soccer) aswell. i hope the future tells me wrong.(all this is good when ur coatching in closed doors but this is not supposed to be known among the players right? to me this is like a boss that runs a company...he doesnt say anthing to there employees aswell) there not supposed to know....
Good scene but he's totally wrong about Damon. Dude vastly outperformed his salary from 2002-2008, according to Fangraphs.
@@roopemanty2547 no he’s right. Damon was the heart and soul of the Red Sox when they won it all in 2004.
He amassed 14 fWAR for 31 million over the four years in Boston. If you figure 1 WAR is worth about 6 million these days, and MLB payroll has roughly doubled in the last 20 years, then yeah, he was worth over 40 million for that contract.
Bible
Tarantino is the master of dialogue. He writes like people actually talk. Sorkins dialogue tends to be rapid fire and overly clever. His dialogue overwhelmes the characters and ultimately comes through as inauthentic. He did a good job in Money Ball though. Great movie.
pop
I'm Peter Brand....
I fucked a fat chick that looks like Jonah hill
*Paul dePodesta
Is it possible to understand the concept of this movie if you have no idea about Baseball ?
So is this guy to blame for the time clock on pitches?
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I think this is where analytics fails to a certain degree. The depodesta character said Johnny isn't worth the 7.5 million Boston is paying him because they can find a different way to create his productivity for much cheaper right? He doesn't factor in things like star power and the psychological advantage that gives to a hitter when facing a pitcher. Star power in a large market uniform is a force multiplier as well, especially when facing smaller market teams. Those big market teams have much more expensive tickets and they want to see super stars on the field. Not just guys who can get consistent stats. They want guys who won't shrink under the bright lights because they are being asked to carry too much weight like they would be in a smaller market. All of this takes off the psychologically load a player would have to carry which will lead to them being more mentally sound come playoff time and this leads to "star" moments that only add even more to the perceived value of that player and boosts his name value. Think about it. Would you be afraid to pitch to AR if he were in a brewers uniform? Even if you knew what his numbers were? The numbers combined with the name on the uniform matter. Given that I still feel that Oakland messed up when they didn't really push all their chips onto the table to bring in a horse starting pitcher for the playoff pushes they had. Walks are at a premium in the playoffs because now you're facing the best pitching and better bullpens. Things get tight. So those homeruns won't have as much value because there won't be as many if any at all guys on base.
Not that I disagree but didnt they have Hudson, Zito and Mark Mulder that year? I think they lost because of what you said, star power does matter. Johnny Damon is a big game player. He killed the Yankees in Game 7 of ALCS 2004. By the 3rd inning the game was over and he had like 6 RBIs.
Baseball today is too reliant on numbers. Mike Trout has the best WAR every year and his team has zero wins in the last ten years. They dont even make the playoffs. Is he worth $450 million? yes, but isnt the goal to buy wins? and its Wins over replacement is why Mike Trout is worth $450 million?
Like with any stat, i think they look at the wrong ones. Dont just look at OPS, look at how they do with runners in scoring position. Last year, both the Yankees and rays made the dumbest mistakes despite being over reliant on analytics.
@@TheNegativeDude Exactly. Rays really messed up despite having all those wins. The only reason the Dodgers series even went as far as it did was because of mental errors by LA.
Also the guys you mentioned for Oakland were pretty damn good, but they weren't seen as superstars because of the market they played in. Damon had to go to New York to reach that status. A star is a good player. A superstar is someone who adds value to everyone on the team.