Future Boeing Fleet - 797, Double Decker 787 and Mega 777X-10 - What Is Boeing's Next Aircraft...
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- čas přidán 19. 01. 2021
- What is the future of Boeing's fleet line up? In today's video, we will go over the current Boeing line up, what opportunities exist, and the future of the American aviation industry. Now, this is very much my person opinion, so strap in and lets have a look at the three aircraft of the future.
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In a previous video I touched on how aircraft manufacturers have not really brought anything truly game-changing to the market in recent years. Here are three new aircraft for Boeing's commercial aircraft lineup.
To start, we need to know where we are at with Boeing today.
Currently, their market can be divided up into three sections, the narrowbody, short-haul market, the widebody, medium-haul market, and the long-haul, high capacity market - with a few planes in each to boot. Boeing has actually done this before, with the three project yellow stones for each market segment.
Start with the smallest is the Boeing 737 MAX series, which has taken over Boeing's short-haul market and is their only offering, compared to Airbus who has two different planes in the same market, a video you can see here. This plane series has also replaced the Boeing 757 in this space.
Then we have the Boeing 787 that occupies the middle of the market space for Boeing. This plane series has virtually replaced the 767, earlier versions of the Boeing 777.
Lastly, we have the long-haul, large aircraft market. Boeing had enjoyed success for a very long time in this space with the Boeing 747 but has now switched overproduction from the queen of the skies to the 777X. Sales have been a bit slow of the 777X but not because it's a bad plane Rather, market forces and an overabundance of second-hand large aircraft on the market - which can only take so many big planes-have led to less sales than previous big planes. The 777x will also be a replacement for airlines looking to upgrade to larger aircraft from the previous 777-300.
The Boeing 737 series is pretty old, having first been developed well over 60 years ago and suffering for its sins. While the 737 MAX is a great plane on paper, its recent troubles have highlighted issues with its design have to lead to calls for Boeing to come up with a true 737 successor that is a totally radical new concept.
As for the middle of the market, the Boeing 787 has held down the fort for a long time but we could see an update to the design, such as a 787X or a new plane to fill this space by 2030 or 2040.
Lastly, the upper market has suffered greatly in recent years with airlines shifting away from a hub to hub model and more to a spoke to spoke - bypassing mega airports like London and New York. Thus while there will be a demand for larger planes, there will be more of a focus on distance rather than size. Airlines will offer large, comfortable planes that can fly well over 20 hours to link far remote places - just like project sunrise from Qantas which will link New York and London to Sydney, Australia.
With new supersonic aircraft potentially entering the market in the next decade, we might see Boeing restart research on its own concept - or perhaps more likely, buy into a successful firm for its own sales.
So what would we imagine here at found and explained for the future of Boeing? What would their actual line up look like?
For the Short-haul market, we have a 737 and 787 hybrid, based off the 787-3 model that would fill in the market gap. It would look like the early concept of the Boeing 797, and would fill a similar role for airlines looking for an aircraft between 150 to 250 seats. Thanks to a composite structure like the 787, it would have unmatched fuel efficiency and unmatched range and be a direct competitor to the A320neo market. Likely there would be three or four variants, a smaller one to cover the 737 max 8 market, the most popular type, one with a longer range to compete against the A321xlr and lastly a high capacity aircraft to fill the middle of the market.
next Up, Boeing will need an aircraft that is an improvement over the Boeing 787. They might find success with a project that was designed ten years ago called the ecoliner. Essentially, by turning the 787 into a double-deck, Boeing will be able to offer double the seating capacity of the 787 for roughly the same economics and greatly plunge the seat price. Or alternatively, and far more realistically I must add, Boeing will develop a twin-aisle mid-teir aircraft that is a step up from the new small plane, filling in the 250 seater market.
Lastly, Boeing will improve on the design of the Boeing 777X for its long-range ambitions, combing both the 777-8 and 777-9 together to make the perfect, long-range, high capacity aircraft.
Or perhaps all of this is baloney and Elon Musk will be flying us anywhere in the world on his rocket in just 45 minutes, with then a hyperloop taking us the rest of the way.
I am personally holding out for StarTrek inspired teleporters.
Check out the (proposed) future of Airbus here: czcams.com/video/M4SWk3bEFeE/video.html
Thumbnail: Double 787
Me: what in the world
Just your "Boeing 380", served..
The best name for that would be the 7127 as it is the 747 and 787 combined
@@SpaceDogGlobalEntertainment if Two A380s combined with 89 Antonov an-225s, that will combine the Boeing 71007.
B380
I think Boeing will never build 2 decks Aircraft or any aircraft that is larger than current 747-8 because airlines now avoid to operate big planes due to changing business model from Hub and Spoke to point to point flights.
a double deck 787 will still be relatively small, that's why using the 787 platform in the first place.
@@carlosandleon then why don't airlines buy B777x? airports need special terminals to board double deckers that's why A380 cannot fly to many destinations.
there is not the excuse of too many engines since they will use only 2
Also if they really need something with high capacity wouldn’t they rather have a longer widebody, aka the 777X, than a double decker (even if its also twin engine) due to a slimmer frontal cross section? I.e length > girth in terms of air resistance.
A double decker bus in the mid body segment is the Goldilocks zone as these are where you have the high density routes. I’ve read that airlines are looking for a wide body aircraft tailored for this, but the only viable options are narrow bodies or a substitute of an A330 or B787-8
so this channel is one of those "airplane fetish" lol just like me
We cover other things too... just... not very often... if you go back though you can see some more variety :) I PROMISE i'll make a non-plane video soon!
@@FoundAndExplained could you uncover some huge boat concepts(besides freedom ship) like the CL-1201 only... in the water? Just an idea
@@FoundAndExplained No it's perfectly fine, I love planes
all the non plane videos get no views.
Pretty much a watered-down low budget version of Mustard :-)
The only way Boeing could make the EcoLiner successful would be to have it run on 2 engines & feature folding wingtips like the 777X
Maybe using 2 the GE9X’s however those may not be powerful enough but who knows
Imagine seeing a 2 engine A380 in 2040 as maybe with engine advances.
Or a new 747 with 2 engines
@@H.R.King. imagine airbus giving a 50% discount for a conversion for the airlines who still have the A380
I have my doubts you could handle the weights of a double-decker with only a twin, even with ever-greater thrust-weight improvements. Would be interesting to see the return of a triple though.
That said, it _might_ be doable with some truly monster engines with fans large enough to require a high wing. Having the wing spar bisect the upper deck might be a turn-off for airlines, or it could be leveraged into two-class upper deck layouts and maximized space on the bottom/cargo deck (which I understand is where the _real_ money is).
Made 100% with composites. It would be very efficient and could resurrect that market
@@Vespuchian we will probably be only seeing tri's in supersonic planes but atleast they are having a comeback then being dead like the 4 engine design
Here is what I think:
Firstly, the NMA is coming, and it’s coming soon. This will plug the one main gap that Boeing has which is the Middle Market.
Secondly, after that is wrapped up they will launch an A220 sized aircraft possibly around the MAX-7 threshold, this along with the NMA can be stretched and shrunken respectively to fill the gap of the MAX
Finally, I think we will see them start development of a 787-X, which will pretty much assure that Boeing has a stable product line up from the smallest ~135 passengers to the largest ~450 passengers
Hope they have advante in that new metal they invented that's 99% air that's going to be killer for # in all there planes
NMA is no where to be seen. Boeing probably not keen due to limited potential
@@kwwong2013 on the drawing as I type.but may or may not be NMA?
Boeing is in a sweet spot right now. And they're changing the way they do business. And totally redoing the way you build a jetliner. This is going to be really awesome.
@@kwwong2013 they have engineers working on it now, but we won’t hear anything until 2025 not see anything until 2030. Right now they gotta certify the 737-7/10, clear out the 787 backlogs, and certify the 777-8/9 which will take till 2025
Hey M8, I found your channel through YT's recommendation around 2-4 days ago, and tbh as soon as I clicked your video, I already knew that I'd love watching your vids :P
Awesome, thank you! Really glad to have you here :)
What they should do: 767X (to fill midsize aircraft sector), replacement for 737 (probably 797), and theyll look into supersonic aircraft, either developing the 2717 from scratch or buying into a program by some other company and giving it the Boeing name - like airbus did with the a220.
or the 757X
the 757 was the most beautiful airplane ever
797 will probably replace the 757 the 737 max is not a 757 replacement, the 767 can only hold out a bit longer before it will also need a replacement
@@blaa1459 the 767 was replaced by the 787
2:10 thank you for showing beautiful 747 of Philippines airlines
I think you might be on to something with the double decker twin jet. If they can make it work out would fill the a380 space without the pesky size issues
The A380 only failed because of the fuel economics. If it was just as efficient as a 787... but carried double the passengers...
Thanx so much. The info and ideas on this forum are really a fullfiller of aviation expectations.
You just gave me flashbacks and nostalgia when you showed the ecoliner! Back when I was around 10 and my interest in aviation started CZcams was filled with concepts of this aircraft... I’d really like to see it fly one day but who knows?
Same man
Even though there are more watching the videos, I am quite empress on the quality and script. I am subscriber now.
Subscribed! This is such a good video to open up discussions. Keep it up! 😁
Thanks so much! Be sure to check out my airbus video :)
I was really hoping to see your Deck 3 again. I think I found my new favorite plane even though it's concept.
That 787 looks sick!!!
I can’t see anything more capacious than a 777 or so being practical in my lifetime (say the next 20-30 years). But time will tell.
A380 ? They may have announced that production will end but the aircraft are around and will be for the next 20yrs. If there's no further market for the A380 and the 747 is no longer viable as a passenger aircraft then that's that for the double decker.
These planes look amazing!
I hope they can make them!
Regarding the replacement of the 737: It'll be very similar in format, but made out of composites, and with a geared turbofan engine setup. For the new midsize airplane, those two things will be implemented as well, and additionally the fuselage will be slightly elliptical, to make it a bit wider than a traditional narrowbody like the A321. For the large capacity market, I don't see any increase in size over the 777X.
It's been years since I last saw the 747-400 of the Philippine Airlines. Nice to see it here in the video!
awesome descriptions...
Tip-top as always! Hail Nick!
Your videos are so interesting..thanks.
Glad you think so!
that double decker looks... fascinating
To be honest, I don't think boeing would manufacture a double decker 787. For now they should rebuild their name. As recently there were loads of issues for boeing such as the 787 flaws, 737 max certification, 747-8 production issues and etc. As always a really interesting video from you. Great Job.
Thank you sir!
@@FoundAndExplained No need of Sir, I guess I am younger to you. :D
This channel should be called Found and Explaned
That would a great idea, because all he talks about is airplane concepts. And that’s quite honestly a bit of a funny one at that lol. 😂
Man I miss that United airlines paint scheme with the blue and orange strip
I love your vídeos, specially this type
Thanks I’ll have to do more
HAVE YOU SEEN FRINGE - THE EFFECTS OF TELEPORTATION LOL
Still waiting for the 7J7 propfan
The A380 never really took off in popularity as only a handful of Airlines ordered them and a few cancelled their orders... so I personally don't think a double decker Boeing 787 will be any better.
Hoping to see a B777-10X in the future as well.
Maybe also an A350-2000
@@lagdroid0017 a350vis from airbus
@@lagdroid0017 tooo big..i dont think twin engine ge9x can handle it.
I never realized how big the 777-8 is. Geez, that plane is huge.
The Double Decked 787 looks like something I would create. Just saying.
love the 787 double decker ..
I like way of explaining I love this video 👌10000👍10000
6:50 I would suggest you watch the Common Sense Skeptic. In particular their video on Starship point to point travel.
That engine to power the doubled decker B787 gonna be huge.
probably GE9X
I like to write and I was looking for some cool ideas for planes, I stumbled upon F&E, best channel I’ve discovered in the last 6 months
Dude! Thanks so much! Hope you enjoy watching. Again thank you for the kind words :)
How about a double decker 777x? I say, a humpback like a B747 for the 787-x and an almost full double decker for the 777x
TOO BIG for now
Boeing could have design an aircraft with all composite larger fuselage, but using as many 737 components as possible and common flight deck with 737. This allows 737 owners to slowly transition to the new model. Remember so many airlines had invested on 737-NG and 737-MAX, so a new model needs to be timed properly. Boeing and Airbus have to wait until the A320/737 NG fleet are in near retirement. Boeing timed the introduction of 777 when aging DC-10 and L-1011 are in the brink of retirement.
The double-decker 787 could be called the Fatliner.
Starship in a future Boeing video. Who would’ve expected that.
They will start focusing on small more efficient planes maybe bigger planes towards the 777 size or 767.
A787-11 would be like a nice 777-200LR replacement
Therapist: Double decker 787 isn't real, it cant hurt you.
Double decker boeing 787:
I think that it will be 787X, 797 as the 737max replacement and new airbus narrow body competitior, another narrow body to complement the 797, probably an a220 competitor.
Hey Nick, I want to ask about something, do you have a schedule of when you upload videos whatsoever?(BTW the topic in this video is very interesting)
Edit: I'm just curious lol
I don’t! I aim for two a week and looking at my record I’ve done pretty well. I also try to have one video early for my paterons (new one going up tomorrow). I’m trying my best but it’s tough to get there out because of all the steps involved
@@FoundAndExplained well, its always a surprise then about when you'll upload :D
I really don’t think Boeing should make another double decker aircraft because airlines don’t want big massive double decker aircraft’s anymore like how many airlines are retiring the 747 and a380
When O first saw the title, when I saw a double decker 787, I thought it was ridiculous. And if it ever happens, I wonder how a double deck airliner could be a twin jet.
The airbus beluga is a giant plane, yet it flies with only 2 engines. The concept wouldn't be any different, with the exception that it's twin engines would be as large as the 777's engines to compensate the lack of 2 more engines. But yet again, we gotta see if the aircraft even makes out of the drawing board.
I'm with you. We need the transporter!
Whatever it is, the A380 has shown that it needs to be designed such that it can easily be converted to cargo. That was one of the genius aspects of the 747, the flight deck is above the main fuselage, leaving the main fuselage completely empty for freight service.
I wonder about a wide body plane big enough for two decks with a circular cross section, like the 777 but even bigger. Like maybe 15 wide seating. Or even better, Airbus' flying wing concept.
Anyone else thinks Boeing or airbus will just buy shares out of some supersonic firm so they don't have to develop a supersonic plane themselves?
As soon as one gets built and its proven to work, the flood gates will open
its still gonna cost a lot in fuel tho and airlines dont like high fuel costs
@@matthijshoogeland7893 depends, as we dont trully know yet if the new breed of supersonic planes will be fuel efficent enough or not.
@@lanny4 A supersonic plane will never be as fuel efficient as a properly designed subsonic plane of the same era. The question is whether or not people are willing to pay more for the couple of hours on the ground, and I think the Concorde proved that. Especially considering the maintenance costs.
Need to solve the sonic boom issue before this can be looked at. Private jets flying the Pacific or Atlantic maybe. Not a versatile route structure though
A new 737 with 787 technology is needed that crossovers to the A220 market is sorely needed.
I think the 797 should be a full length double deker
Veryyyyyyyy gooooddddddddd
I’m lucky I caught the video so early, haven’t watch it yet, but I know it’ll be great as usual. Keep up the great work. I know you also made a video on the future of airbus. What about some interesting proposals of companies such as bombardier and embraer?
Hope you enjoyed it! Yes I'll do a future one of both. I fear that the future of Bombardier is rather bleak as they got out of the aircraft game :(
Bombardier are still building A220's at Mirabel air field north of Montreal.
They also have a certain percentage ownership stake in the A220 program.
just saw the thumbnail of a triple decker a380 and knew instantly it was stupid, but the thumbnail there acually looks belivable
this is Boeing so very important for future best time more technologies grand capasity we knows everyone has to see and perfect right in this world
Hey can u explain the boeing2707 the Boeing supersonic competitor for the Concord but it was never built
5:40 "The bottom end of the middle of the market" .. I pissed myself laughing at that one ..need a new keyboard now all the spit over it, let alone the monitor! :-)
So Boeing is thinking about building a double decker, competing with the A380?
The Ecoliner would be great for the Asian market since it’s usually high capacity and mid range, if Boeing made the Ecoliner it could be a huge success, but even if they started today I’m sure the aircraft wouldn’t go into commercial service until 2035-2040
No, the A380s and the 747s will be the only double-decker aircrafts in my heart! 😭
What was the music you used at the beginning
What about looking at airport past to what can be a conceivable future for this transportation category.
i think 797 should be a longer version of 787
Boeing should have 3 versions of the 777.small ,med,& large.there I just fixed everything!
epic
Surely we all know that Kaktus will end up in The Hudson? :-)
@Found And Explained what is that song at the very beginning of the video? I hear it in a lot of clogs.
Epidemic sound - forward future I believe
I’ll get the proper name when I’m at my desk
@@FoundAndExplained Do you know the actual track?
The double 787 honestly looks like a nice military airlifter concept.
It would even more if they used high profile wings, which could be a potential C5 replacement
Anazing vid
I’m hoping hoping hoping for an elliptical fuselage FSA 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I'll probably not even ride in this gigantic thing because its so big I can't even think what would I do if it will crash.
I like how he used a 787 and just put on the back of it 797 and said it was that
787-3 is effectively the 797. Did a whole video on it
Do what number will Boeing do after the 797
Why would Boeing build these when it has already said the future is no longer in high volume aircraft and hub airports?
I already got an idea of an A340X and A380 BELUGA! Now how about Boeing? A 797 and Double 787? Its mine and your ideas. Airbus-my idea. Boeing-their idea.
Hate to burst your bubble but the era of ginormous double deckers is passé.
I agree.
I personally would like to see planes with more 2-seat seating options where my wife and I can sit alone. A 12hr flight sitting next to a burping snoring slob isn’t fun. Our last flight on an Airbus A380 had this seating but it cost a lot of extra money.
Aisle and window seats are far better than middle seats for most passengers. A wider-body jet with 2-3-2 or 2-4-2 seating is going to offer better passenger comfort and faster boarding than the classic 3-3 seating on the 737.
@@PaulSchaffert I agree, but it seems difficult to find airlines with 2-3-3 seating for long haul. Most seating was 3-4-3 or 3-5-3 on flights from LAX to Europe. Short haul flights seem to offer 2-3-2.
@@danf321 3-5-3 is the absolute worst, barely above flying duct-taped to the wing
My last longhaul flight was on the top-deck of an A380 and we were 2-seats wide in economy, it was very nice.
The only issue I had was that a couple of passengers decided that the extra legroom I'd paid for was an ideal spot to do their exercises. Hardly a fault of Airbus but it was annoying getting woken up by some old lady doing lunges and knocking into my feet. 😂
Could they build a Double Decker Airplane with a Cargo hold big enough to use as a Cargo Plane. One that would look similar to either the Beluga or Dreamlifter.
If the price of oil remains high and pandemics increase then all bets are off on how the airline industry will cope.
...and, for even more efficiency we now have the giganormous megafan single engine version.
In the middle and people sit in the wings?
If only your channel can be truly fair in evaluating Boeing aircrafts, especially both 787 & 737 aircrafts and not be too optimistic.
Imagine if Boeing’s going to take the 727 chassis and slap some new composite wings on, remove engine 1 and 3 and shove a GE90X in the tail. Now talk about efficiency!
5:56 Looks like a 787 that has eaten too much junk food. :)
Personally i would love Boeing to buy out the Boom Overture, Rebrand it as the 2717 as start using it for business oriented spoke to spoke journeys like Washington to London City, Atlanta to Dubai and Los Angeles to Shenzhen. Then use the technology and experience to build the 2727 as a proper Supersonic airliner.
I want me and my future kids to go from Baltimore to Orlando in half an hour.
I get the impression that boeing really missed the boat by not really pushing the 797, they are getting trounced by the 321 xlr. The fact of the matter is airbus has a ton of orders for it meaning that the middle market plane needs to be exploited.
I still would like to see Boeing do its own SST type aircraft, possibly a Boeing/Airbus collaboration
Boeing 2717? Concorde II?
I think Boeing believes in point-to-point market. Airbus believed in the hub-and-spoke market which they tried with the 380. It didn’t work out, and the 380s are already being retired.
Uh, okay, how could the Ecoliner succeed where the A380 failed? They seem at first glance to be identical configs, other than two fewer engines.
Why not to make B767MAX? I am just wondering, it was very successful airliner with good economics and perfect sizes.
Are the engines going to drag on the ground again?
6:15 you forgot the second engine on both wings
A single deck, longer and wider planes with only two powerful (economical-environment friendly engines) are the future for the "jumbo" option. They required no new (double deck) facilities from the airports, their very long wing, BUT folding (like 777), would cheeply let them cope. That way, the company won't need to expensively design a whole new plane or burden the airports, and move on. A wider, longer 777 would do the trick nicely
Please make a video like this with Airbus
It’s actually already on the channel
I wonder what will happen with naming after 797 and they want a new plane which isn't an upgrade of the last. For airbus it's pretty straight forward ,probably A200 or something
I think they will go with 808
A200 is already the A220 family, so they can't do that. Airbus will have to go A400. The A300 was named after how many passengers it could carry, although the final design only carried 250, so it should have been the A250. Oh what a mess
7107
@@FoundAndExplained The A400 already exists, it's a military cargo plane
@@FoundAndExplained They could always go a310,11 etc and do that for all their aircraft of the fut
After the amount of accidents Boeing has had lately. I will NEVER get on one of their aircraft again
Bruh moment
good luck going anywhere then lol
thumbnail is an Airbus A380 but the nose is the Boeing 787 Dreamliner