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R-37M Hypersonic Vs SM-6 / Aim-174B | F/A-18F Super Hornet Vs Su-27 Flanker | DCS |
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@@numberyellow Yeah bro that's what we want
YUS! thank you GS
GS I am buying your hat
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5:40 the missile knows where it is at all time
It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
By subtracting where it is, from where it isn't
these avgeek kids think they funny
the missile knows where you are at all time
When the hypersonic missile hit you in the beginning that jump scared me big time.
You and me both. I've learned to never drink anything without pausing the video. Today was a good reminder why.
Same 😂
damn me too 😂😂😂
@@andersjjenseni recently had a moment like this while brushing my teeth… Huge mess 😂
Got a fright too. In hospital for a Angiogram.
It's sad how is the most of the comments just ignoring the video and talking about other things like suggestions, first, etc.., this video deserve more attention, Great job GS keep the good work :D
We can talk about anything we want.
Relax.
Just because people are not talking about the video. does not mean they're not paying attention. I do. I learn a lot. or will learn more by throwing different aircraft suggesting different aircraft. So, I can learn better. Just like other people.
Are you going to cry?...😭😭😭
the online glazing is crazy, good video but chill bro lmao
@@RFYS2-4 I was just letting people know I Am learning. I'm not mad. or upset.
Hey GS, I've been watching you for the last 7 years. I begin to miss the TacView after the fight. Yes, I know many of us stopped watching it years ago and I'm sure the analytics show it. But please bring the TacView back to 80 miles BVR fights like these at least some times. I'd like to geek out on speed differences between the missile types and I want to see where they travel and where they end up falling when each of you successfully defeat them.
Was thinking of the same thing. It is probably quite time consuming to do that, hence I assume he stopped doing that, but it would be really great to see those.
Oh, I so missed "It looks like we are saf...BOOM" part )))
That R37 said not today !
I think the first 3 needed more guidance. Test with adding an AWACS to help with guidance.
AIM-174 is meant to be assisted by a big radar. I thinks it's seeker is for the las 10 - 20 miles
It is an AMRAAM seekerhead so it makes sense
Dcs doesn't even have chaff and flare modeled correctly...let alone guiding missile on datalink
@@UnderTaker2OO3 they definitely dont have that feature even for mid course correction guidance for modern munitions let alone third party mid course correction
Is it possible that the size of the Aim-174B increases the radar cross-section just enough to make the F/A-18 easier to lock?
That’s actually an interesting thing I hadn’t thought about
@@GrowlingSidewinder One wouldn't think that a ~15 inch larger (thiccer) munition would make that substantial of a difference in RCS but it's entirely possible.
@danrosenthal9231 even one extra inch of thickness is quite a bit of a difference, just ask your mom 🎉🥳
The real question is if DCS models it correctly.
I believe it's more about the shape instead of the size. A clean Super Hornet have RCS 5 times smaller than its actual size, disturb the shape a little bit and the RCS increase drastically
5:31 Do you remember what I sai-
"40 seconds time to active"- that gave me Undiscovered Country (Star Trek) vibes when Spock was counting down the time to Khitomer...
Those pilots with the mising texture helmets looks cool ngl :)
SM-6 is Mach 4.8 missile so it's only a little slower than R-37M. Aim-174B has way more range than your radar on fighter sized target.
You think specialist look at you sooooooo knowledgeable notttttttttttttttttt lol
@@pyronuke4768 reaches mach 7 at high altititude
As I understand it, the SM-6 has a much more parabolic flight path, so it travels farther than the R-37M to hit a target the same distance away.
@@GG-yr5ix sm7 pole number 15 6.8 2.8 num nuts range 188 NM
R 37 not a jet kill system can't see them because seeker only tankers and large aircraft
Would have really like to see the tacview on this one. I miss when you used to do them all the time
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 68
Agree!!
They should name this missile the Pheonix II, since being reborn in a more spectacular form is part of what the namesake is supposed to do
The "Pheonix RZN"
Lol, this is not the phoenix II, this is the return of the AAAM.
@@superbudegu aim 152 never served... the aim 54 served... this is the phoenix 2.0, not the cancelled aaam
@@skeletonjam doesn't matter, the AIM-174 makes the phoenix look like a toy.
@@superbudegu and the aim 9x makes the aim 9b seem like a toy, but they are still sidewinders
I know they are using the Super Hornet as a testbed for the AIM 174b, but wouldn't other aircraft be able to carry it eventually, assuming their wings have the structural stability? Maybe, like an F-15E with AIM 174s vs SU 57 with R-37s? That could be a neat matchup. I would say it would be a good idea for the 'Outmatched' series, but the F-15's radar is kind of a beast...
It's likely to be a predominantly USN weapon system given the existing users of SM-6.
@@danrosenthal9231germany is supposed to station sm6s in 2025, maybe the german f35s use them too.
It’s not only the testbed, it’s the primary launch platform for the AIM-174B because there aren’t any other aircraft in their inventory with the ability to carry the AIM-174B. Integration with other aircraft from other services would take time, while integration with F-35C seems impossible at this moment due to its gigantic size.
@@rickykurniawann Well, there are external pylons for the F-35C, but that would completely negate it's stealth characteristics.
Maybe, but their is still Raytheon's LREW.
GS, our country went into a total blackout and curfew due to a massacre carried out by the government, this video was one of the only video I could watch as it was smart downloaded by YT. Thank you man, please keep us in your prayers. From Bangladesh 🇧🇩
Would you be allowed to elaborate further?
Good luck mate ❤
With the legs on the AIM-174, the F-18E/F radar is underanging it. It is meant to be used with a datalink aircraft (specifically the F-35) to provide lock and the hornet to launch on that lock, not it's own.
Could you put them in place of the AIM-54's on a F-14B with it's AUG-9 radar. It should have the range to take advantage of the AIM-174? I am not a DCS player, but love your videos.
The F18 has datalink..
@@snakeoo7ca that is how it can receive targeting information from the f-35 for the AIM-174
@@snakeoo7ca His point is that the F/A-18 doesn't have a good enough radar to get the full use out of the missiles range, but since it has data link the F-18 can fire the missile based on guidance from the F-35 through their data link and using the F-35s superior radar.
GS once again perfectly timing his lines before BLAM 😂
Love the showcase as always!
SM6 is the John Holmes of air to air missiles!
Isn’t bringing a 174B to a dogfight, like bringing a howitzer to a gun fight?
Howitzer to a knife fight yes lol
easy to determine time window for missile vulnerability - make a chart of distance and time for the R77.
Still waiting for GS go drop his version of the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”
He might not be able to as the likeness might be copyright material 🤷♂️
@@RockMountainYJ It would fall under fair use. Copyright would have to do with using their engine and blatantly ripping it off and making it his own.
5:35 I almost fell out of my chair!
I screamed a bit lol... in a gym too
BEST DCS CZcamsR OF ALL TIME
I've always wondered why the US didn't seem so worried about our air-to-air missiles. You see russia, China, UK, and other countries creating long range and/or hypersonic AAMs. The moment that the US announced this, all my wonders were put to rest. I forgot that if these other countries have it, then the US already has it and isn't telling us about it.
And when they do tell you about it, they're probably just about to get something even better...
Wait till you hear about JATM / AIM-260.
they are though
Their is still Raytheon's LREW for 4th gen platforms and AIM-260 for F-35 and F-22.
Now your learning young grasshopper
They strapped an F/A-18 to an SM-6 missile.
Interesting how highly-reflective recent missile development is of late-50's future air power/combat predictions: Interceptors delivering long-range, high-speed armaments at BVR targets, versus close-quarters dogfights that require/involve guns.
those missiles slung under the hornet is reminiscent of the engines under a Hustler...sorta
5:31 famous last words: you remember what i sai-
Ok, is it only me that jump out sit when the missile hits like? I'm totally listening and focusing hard and then 🎉(hello). Awesome Job brother love your mini movies!!!!
Classic, first mission, you got to, remember about that missile, and boom!!!! lol. Love the videos man. Been watching you for a long time now.
The missle goes back to the last known position of the target??? Wth thats sick
"If you stick your head up, they'll reacquire you... I'm a little nervous about popping my head up here..."
Hey that's my ship launching the missile in the photo! DDG62 USS Fitzgerald!
The R-37M is basically Phoenix-sized: about 10% more weight (1120 lbs for R-37M, 1024 lbs for AIM-54C), same body diameter (15"), slightly longer (13 feet and change vs 12 feet and change), slightly smaller wingspan (28" vs 36"). I suspect it can only be mounted to certain stations on most of their aircraft. Much larger than the AIM-120D, which is a little shorter but much skinnier (7" diameter) and lighter (354 lbs). Of course, the AIM-174B at about 21" long, 13.5" wide and 1900 lbs is a behemoth.
Really good
Now let's see Paul Allen's F-15 strapped with these
Been waiting for this matchup, good vid
Love your vids, I hope one day to get into PC and DCS because of this channel.
174B mainly for the Pacific, no?
so what would/could you do with no mountains and nothing but ocean?
SM-6s have an anti-ship capability
@@Chuck_Hooksyea sm-6 is anti any thing. And with proper datalink tecnicaly the f 18 could shoot out of its radar rage with like an aegis or thaad handshake.
Because they can't model the multi-sensor datalink hand-off in DCS. Otherwise the missile actually has a 200-300NM range. Well beyond anything the Russians or Chinese have in development or in actual deployment.
@cassias456 Likely 200+ miles when launched from a fighter.
No doubt the SOP will be for F-35s, much closer to the targets and with superior stealth and sensors, feeding target information to launched SM-6s to take advantage of the missiles' range.
@@xavierwilmerng6317nm is not Nautical miles. It's nanometers. Nautical miles is NM, capital.
Please use proper units :)
Please fly The F/A-18F with AIM-174's VS The J-15 with PL-17's!
The F model Rhino looks sooooo damn good 🥵
They need to redesignate this as the Phoenix II
He waits... Until I go into work to post
You can always get another job. 😄
Go to the bathroom and use earbuds hahaha.
Or just save it as a post work relaxation nugget when you get home like I do. It's like saving the best for last.
Great video as always GS
The missile was like "I hunger for sammwhich!!"
Didnt even see it hit. Air warfare in the next 10-20 years is fucking terrifying.
Whoever does the model for SM-6 needs to keep in mind that the 3.5 mach listed speed is probably assuming that the missile is being fired from sea level and climbing to altitude (up to 110,000ft) to engage the target. If you even fired it horizontally, it’s probably going to go faster, never mind from an aircraft that may already be moving near mach or above, and at considerable altitude.
10:13 the AIM-174/SM6 is 3,300 lbs with a 140 lb warhead.
Love the video bro thanks for the hard work
Darn, you seemed safely tucked away in those mountains.
Another great video. Always enjoy BVR chess matches. Interesting to see how differences in missile velocity become more significant at longer ranges. BTW, what happened to that last fox3 from the flanker?
You mention being concerned about the wings ripping off due to the mass of the AIM-174B, that would mostly apply to missiles attached to the fuselage, not the wings. Missiles on the wings do not contribute to wing root load if pulling positive G's.
Dude, your videos are addictive to watch.
"When that Battlefield Theme Kicks In!"
8:45 hey man... whyd he say it like that?
Ideallly, the F/A-18 will get datalink from and AWACS or F-35
Requesting Su-57 vs J-20.
@18:37 my first thought he will tight it out with a long range fox2 :D
they ought to call that missile the firebird (or phirebird for... ya know)
The peak speed of the SM-6 is listed as greater than Mach 3.5+, but if you use a rocket calculator, if the peak velocity is only Mach 3.5 at 135,000 feet on a 45° angle launch, then the maximum range is about 765,000 feet or roughly 144 miles. We know that the missile has mad an interception at 240 miles+ on an aerial target from a surface launch, so that requires that the peak velocity at 135,000 feet to be Mach 5.7. I think that it is important to remember the amount of copium from the Russian side.
If we want to talk real copium, In reality it's also important that to remember that russian pilots have far less yearly flight time than American pilots. So the US has more time training than Russians. So while some airframes from Russia are pretty capable, the pilots flying them might not be as capable. So the difficulty mentioned about fighting off the tracking of the SM-6 might be quite a bit harder than a lot could manage.
Never been this early. Great work.
Ever since your first vid on the aim-174B I had this question in mind.
What’s the difference between it and the aim-260 long range anti air missile practically speaking?
Since there is nothing known about the Aim-260 (we dont even know what it looks like) we dont know.
AIM-260 is for 200-300km range and will be carried by both F-35 and F-22. AIM-174B is for 400+km range similar to Raytheon's LREW and will be carried by 4th gen platforms. However since AIM-174B can also be used to strike maritime targets it may stay with the USN.
It looks like one of my stock ksp missiles wanting to rip my wings off every time I pull great vid btw
Love the Hornet. CF-18 :)
Would have been interesting to hear more about effective use of the SM-6 and your radar. I'm fairly sure by mid vid people grasped just how compact the R-37 is, girthy the SM-6 is, and the effect on your g-pull and wings.
ahh yes, the perfect video i was waiting for this whole time
Seems like a missle for the Tomcat
Suggesting a video with the new Lockhead Martin “mako” hypersonic misleading that has been announced as moving through additional testing with multiple platforms.
Im curious the size difference between and SM6 and an AGM88. Was a munitions guy in the Air Force but got to work with the F14 and in 2003 the F14 was still using AIM7's. As an Air Force guy we learned about them but I had never seen one in person. We quickly took down their AIM7's and gave them a 120 varient that had not been disclosed at the time.
It's a bit less than twice as long as an AGM-88G, and more importantly about twice as thicc in diameter.
Why didn't you fire first? You had the high ground, Ben!
Funny how you got mountains whiel he only got some hills. XD
One of my favorites
Don't ask me how but I just knew he will be shot in that mountain. I think that missile was defendable by sharper turn, heading more to the ground, but not with this payload under wings.
Backseater thinks, "Why am I even here?" Nice 2nd round.
SM-6 without the booster section is actually about 2 inches less in diameter than the R-37M and about 2ft longer.
I believe the new Aimram 260 which also has a 200 mile range is a bit smaller than the 174
great flight fun watch
You need to update your weather mod to the latest version 😉
I assume you're THE bandit648 that made the mod, would love to chat if you have a discord ?
I was wondering which map and how you got those killer weather patterns. Would love a tutorial or details on how to get my weather looking like this.
@@velvetsound Checkout the mod here, everything is explained in the mod description www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3335023/
I would guess the AIM-174B would be carried on the F-18 in a similar load as the F-14 used with the Phoenix. Two AIM-174s, 2 AMRAAMs and 2 Aim-9Xs. The F-14 typically carried 2 Phoenix, 2 Sparrows and 2 Sidewinders.
Two long range, 2 medium range, and 2 dogfight missiles.
15 years from now, no missiles to sling. You'll be using long range Laser pulses!!!
You should strap the AIM 157 to the F14, I bes you will get amazing results!!!!
I wanna see the SM-6 on the f14/f15. Put those powerful radars to work and max the missile
Lol they made this thing to ensure no Superhornet ever gets above mach 1 while carrying it!!
and why.... just why... am I craving the Tomcat !!!
I’d love to see the TacView for this one
Excellent work as always ❤
I wonder if any other aircraft will carry this missile
I know we're seen the hornet equipped with these missiles, but can you do a vid with the EX and these AIM174Bs? PLEASE, cause im guessing they're working on that as well for both fronts
AIM174 only for navy
Damn this is one girthy boi youre shooting
I can't help but to think that they named this missile by comining the numbers of the amraam and the phoenix. 120+54= 174
Depending on the modle used..(?) the SM-6 could have a very very powerful radar. It's the same 'brain' as an AMRAM but has four times the power output as it has a much larger array to transmit. So it will detect and lock on at much greater range.
I don’t know if you can pull it off in DCS but it would be cool if you could use the cooperative engagement capability to keep yourself safe from the R-37
Great video, but to complete the experiment, you need to swap seats!
I’ve discovered your channel in the last few days and they are great to watch the only problem is that I have no knowledge of aviation whatsoever so I have no idea what’s going on lol I hear you saying you know where he is and you probably see him on the radio but i know idea how to understand or use the radios or see where he is myself
Edit: I just looked on your channel saw you have a couple tutorials these will be a massive help lol
BVR fight: F/A-18 with AIM-174B vs. F-14C/D with AIM-54C. Sort of an OG vs. New Kid matchup. Make it happen.
Just out of curiosity are you still running the same PC setup in your description or have you upgraded?
no sir, no upgrades same specs as video description.
Not sure if possible but Ill throw it here, F-16 Block 30 bigmouth vs F-16 Block 50 in BFM
What’s bulldog range on the Aim-174? Is your missile taking longer to reach target really a disadvantage? You might be able to get into a position where you’ve defeated your opponents missile while they’re still defensive from yours and use that to get into a better position.
If by "Bulldog" you mean the missiles on board seeker going active, that's called going "Pitbull" and the missile has the same seeker as the AIM-120D so probably 15-20mi-ish.
@@pyro1047 That is exactly what I meant! Thanks for the correction and info!
I feel like ya cut us a bit short this time, leaving us at a tie between the Super Hornet and the Flanker. This ain’t soccer!
The Flanker is just chilling at a very high altitude, how is he easily defending your missiles?
By turning away which increases the travel distance for the missile so far that it cant keep up.
@@Mike_Romeo 😅. 👍
He also happens to recommit ealier than GS