They were not found, at the time Zappa gave Lennon a safety copy, and those were the ones used on the new release, they managed to get the copies from the Lennon estate for the new box set.
he was not a hippie he was a remarkable businessman who believed in the Constitution and capitalism he knew and counted every penny on tour he even knew how much the doorman was going to be tipped. FZ managed to own every single one of his master tapes which is absolutely miraculous
Zappa was the son of a military scientist, in LA. He never did any drugs and never let any of his band members do any. He had a house in Laurel Canyon that was a main hang out for most of the rock scene that was centered in and around LA, specifically Laurel Canyon.
@@commentatronabsolutely not. He was a workaholic for sure and extremely rigorous with himself and the band as well. Very unique dude, no drugs allowed regardless of whether you were the best guitar player he had ever seen. I ain’t saying that this is all peaceful and flower but they were clean. Frank Zappa was far more than just a guitarist he was a groundbreaking composer, bandleader, and the creative force behind the entire ensemble,using his vast musical knowledge to adapt every instrument within the group. His work spanned over 30 years, during which he composed music across a variety of genres, including rock, pop, jazz, jazz fusion, orchestral etc.. He was not only involved in the writing and arranging of the music but also produced almost all of the over 60 albums he released, either with his band, The Mothers of Invention. Before going solo ofc
I saw them too, but don't remember the exact date....it must have been the late 70's or early 80's. With Larry the Mole Taylor playing bass and Jon Luc Ponty on violin. They were great.
Lenon said something insulting like that to pretty much everyone he met, particularly if he thought they were potentially intellectually or egotistically threatening to him.
@@robbiemcc4355 Maybe, but he was not a great person all reports and not liked by many people. I remember a nanny that worked for him saying that she heard Julian laughing outside the kitchen window when he was 7 or 8 years old and John Lennon chastising him, saying "stop laughing, I fucking hate the way you laugh" and Julian crying. Julian later backed this up and told of many more stories of mental abuse from Lennon over the years. The bloke sounds like a right cunt all round.
@@Snoozer-vine My comment was made based on multiple accounts of witness testimony from people who knew him....what about yours? EDIT: Also, listen to the stories of abuse told by his son, Julian and tell me if you think he's a good bloke after that. The guy was a cunt.
Absolutely, John Lennon was not legendary and heroic as people make him out to be. He wasn't all that intelligent He and Paul McCartney didn't write many of the songs attributed to them, and actually ever played only few of them. He wasn't much of a musician, actor, filmmaker, husband, or father. He didn't really care about the Beatles Or their legacy in any meaningful way, ever that I can tell . He didn't have an extraordinary amount of influence on musicians in his time. I seen here with Frank and you'll also hear about from Chuck Berry and how Yoko ruined there performance together. And of course the basic way he just was yoko's bitch from when they met until he was dead, And she's a pretty terrible person also. In fact I don't recall anything that I've ever seen of John Lennon that shows him to be anything other than an.ass.
Franks Absolute and undying commitment to making quality music is so inspiring, and he didn’t do drugs either which is and other reason why he’s such a good example.
He's the reason I quit partying and thinking it was cool to be high or drunk all the time. I realized you can be just as wild and creative without it, and far more intelligent and wise too. I listened to his criticism of it all, looked around me, and realized how right he was. I was in a cesspool of braindead, trite, low-effort nonsense that led nowhere. I think some substances have a place in society. But the "high life" is probably the lowest life one can live. Substantiated by how many of my friends are on the other side of the grass today.
@@NautilusGuitars Yeah it’s really hard to find band mates that don’t engage in drug culture, and have the same musical interests. I’m very into jam bands and as you can imagine pot is like breathing in the scene. I want to make truly exceptional music and I don’t think drugs and alcohol will have a good influence on that process.
Lennons people not only stole it, but Lennon renamed the songs (which were zappa compositions) and released them on his own album, claiming the songwriting credit
@@Spaceoctopus1776 because he claimed songwriting credits to songs he didnt write, i.e. he stole them. you dont see why that might be an issue? He didnt ask Frank for permission, didnt credit him, and he actually claimed authorship. Frank talked about it and he himself said it was shady. His songs were his livelihood and he didnt have Beatles money. would you be so generous with your earnings? if so send me some.
Do you have information about this? I find it hard to believe Lennon, already a hugely successful songwriter, would need to steal from others. Is there perhaps a better explanation for what happened?
Zappa's a hero...but he had a massive chip on his shoulder that reveals this feeling of being disrespected.....even though he got overwhelming critical acclaim
He's sarcastic here, because Lennon lied to his face ,and ripped off thier musical collaboration to repackage it AS LENNONS music only..cutting him out..he sued and won his music back eventually..
Zappa has been burned countless times from getting thrown in jail for a kangaroo court reason, to censorship of his music since the 60s, and always being viewed in a different light than he is today. I would have a massive chip too if i was always getting bullied because of my music that I have a right to make.
@@kraftyhandz Zappa didn't like the music industry itself, with it's exploitative contracts and control freak Executives.. Part of his appeal is his desire both for Mastery of skills, technique, music theory..and put all that into the spontaneous acts of creation in a free- form solo/ jam ..not rehearsed, polished and overdubbed perfection..Which was boring to him..a generic, soulless product for the Masses, by Executives assuming what people want to hear..
Ha. Martha Quinn was a huge Beatles fan and this was during a period where everyone was still mourning Lennon's death (ie: pretty much the whole 80s, lol), it's pretty funny watching her just stare at him blankly as he recycles that line he always would use when describing this encounter. So unnecessarily snide, as much as I love Frank. At least he doesn't tell the whole rest of his (legitimate) beef he had about Lennon and those tapes.
Lennon then released a song from that tape with yoko. Original taping was King Kong, Lennon released it as Jamrag. Probably stolen on behalf of john n yoko to avoid zappa trying to claim rights to the song.
It seems like someone from Paul and John’s camp executed that retrieval of the tapes. No way would Paul want those tapes being produced and sold to undercut the Apple records licensing.
Horrible, for someone to steal that tape. Sounds like it might have been an inside job, though. Someone who knew Frank or John and thus realized the value of the tapes.
Zappa also hated the recording and didnt particularly care for Lennon or Yoko as musicians, when they released their version they had changed the recording in ways Zappa absolutely hated because of how it treated the other musicians that were present.
It's already been out. When the ZFT were compiling The Mothers 1971, the Lennon Estate gave the Zappa Trust a safety copy of the reel Frank made for them all those years ago.
@@chikkipop Lennon, while one of my favorite songwriters of all time, was an outlandish prick of a person, and this is well documented. His "peace and love" image was just a brand. What Lennon did in particular to Zappa, was take a recording of them playing over a tune Frank wrote, then secretly released it without any permission from Frank, changed the name of it, and took credit for it. No credit to Frank. It ended in a lawsuit. There was more to it, but you can just look it up.
I met him in 1989 at the Providence Civic Center...it was the Broadway the Hard Way tour when he had a Michael Jackson lookalike run across the stage with his hair on fire in the middle of a song.......he was very cool to us and he's funny too.....my friend Henry said to him while he was signing our stuff... "I used to listen to the Mother's of Invention when I was five years old because of my parents!!!!!"... And Frank said "what did they MAKE you listen?" .... and Henry was like no no no and Frank said I know what you mean......I have a copy of Fillmore East 71 that I already had signed by Flo and Eddy and Don Preston and he signed that for me..... it's hanging on the wall in my studio
Someone skilled in using A.I. could probably recreate the John Lennon and Yoko with Frank Zappa. I think its on one of the John Lennon albums. They could feed that in with whatever is in the box Zappa is holding.
Brilliant musician I seen him years ago in Philadelphia and he gets on stage before he starts. His bravo music n says how the fuck are you hahahaha pajama people
Wow! Sticky fingers! Glad they were located. Wonder what Frank would think about the internet,social media,and file sharing or "music swapping?" Cool that back then you could have actual hard copies.
Luckily we have the Playground Psychotics and the 1971 box set to peek back at the show. It’s neat for sure, but the Lennon and Yoko bit was only a glorified jam. The real gasp moment on the 1971 box is the end of the Rainbow show, knowing what happened to poor Frank.
Luckily the tapes have since been found and the full shows were released on "The Mothers 1971" box set.
Thank you!💜
Any idea what was in the box when it was swapped around?
The Lennon segment is schmeg too
scumbag!
They were not found, at the time Zappa gave Lennon a safety copy, and those were the ones used on the new release, they managed to get the copies from the Lennon estate for the new box set.
Cartoon voice of Zappa saying "ho my god !..." 🤣🤣🤣
Frank inspires me to not run from myself.
I like that. Be you man
@@Yeldineyintun stay you is the key.
Great to hear me too !
Good for you dude,it also prevents you to get wind up working at a gas station .😁
@@maplelafe7671 I like gas stations.
Zappa was 'one of a kind'.
Thankfully 😂
I love that Zappa didn't use drugs and alcohol, but believed in others right to use them (to their own detriment).
Man, I'd love to spend some time in that vault listening to all that gold.
He was a very intelligent man
he was not a hippie he was a remarkable businessman who believed in the Constitution and capitalism he knew and counted every penny on tour he even knew how much the doorman was going to be tipped. FZ managed to own every single one of his master tapes which is absolutely miraculous
Zappa was the son of a military scientist, in LA. He never did any drugs
and never let any of his band members do any. He had a house in Laurel
Canyon that was a main hang out for most of the rock scene that was
centered in and around LA, specifically Laurel Canyon.
His commercial image was completely different than the reality - he's downright dorky, isn't he?
I never found him dorky at all
@@commentatronabsolutely not. He was a workaholic for sure and extremely rigorous with himself and the band as well. Very unique dude, no drugs allowed regardless of whether you were the best guitar player he had ever seen. I ain’t saying that this is all peaceful and flower but they were clean. Frank Zappa was far more than just a guitarist he was a groundbreaking composer, bandleader, and the creative force behind the entire ensemble,using his vast musical knowledge to adapt every instrument within the group. His work spanned over 30 years, during which he composed music across a variety of genres, including rock, pop, jazz, jazz fusion, orchestral etc.. He was not only involved in the writing and arranging of the music but also produced almost all of the over 60 albums he released, either with his band, The Mothers of Invention. Before going solo ofc
You can tell he’s seething because of how many different times he’s told this story
You are right. If he got paid for everytime he told a John Lennon story he would be as rich as the Beatles. The man is a whinger.😂
@@user-py5ct1go2sI think he told it a few times and it wasn't for good reasons.
RIP Mr. Frank Zappa, musician extraordinaire.
I love Frank Zappa! I saw him and his band in concert once, definitely one of the very best concerts I have ever seen , I'm very grateful forever
I saw them too, but don't remember the exact date....it must have been the late 70's or early 80's. With Larry the Mole Taylor playing bass and Jon Luc Ponty on violin. They were great.
Wish there was more Frank zappas around today.
Same. We need Zappa more than ever.
I wish he was still alive. RIP
He should have sold cans of his spunk all across the land.
@@chebrneckOnly the good die young....and the evil seem to live forever.
There are some..
Martha Quinn was my fav MTV VJ.
She was a cutie 🥰
That's who I thought that was😂Miserable T.V. in it's infancy 😂
@@jonowens460tv was not in its infancy in the 80's. 😅
Yesss
He looks happy here , which is a nice image of him !!!
If you watch the full interview, he and the interviewer, Martha Quinn, got along really well. She was a huge fan of his.
Yes because he got to talk shit about John Lennon.
@@gmc1966 well john lennon was a piece of shit wife beater , mistreated his son etc
Lenon said something insulting like that to pretty much everyone he met, particularly if he thought they were potentially intellectually or egotistically threatening to him.
Or its funny. Which it was.
It's called scouse sarcasm. I know I'm scouse.
@@robbiemcc4355 Maybe, but he was not a great person all reports and not liked by many people. I remember a nanny that worked for him saying that she heard Julian laughing outside the kitchen window when he was 7 or 8 years old and John Lennon chastising him, saying "stop laughing, I fucking hate the way you laugh" and Julian crying. Julian later backed this up and told of many more stories of mental abuse from Lennon over the years. The bloke sounds like a right cunt all round.
@@Snoozer-vine My comment was made based on multiple accounts of witness testimony from people who knew him....what about yours?
EDIT: Also, listen to the stories of abuse told by his son, Julian and tell me if you think he's a good bloke after that. The guy was a cunt.
especially his fellow Beatles!
Lennon then used songs from their show on an album without Zappa's consent.
True I seen that interview with Frank
Absolutely, John Lennon was not legendary and heroic as people make him out to be. He wasn't all that intelligent He and Paul McCartney didn't write many of the songs attributed to them, and actually ever played only few of them. He wasn't much of a musician, actor, filmmaker, husband, or father. He didn't really care about the Beatles Or their legacy in any meaningful way, ever that I can tell . He didn't have an extraordinary amount of influence on musicians in his time. I seen here with Frank and you'll also hear about from Chuck Berry and how Yoko ruined there performance together. And of course the basic way he just was yoko's bitch from when they met until he was dead, And she's a pretty terrible person also. In fact I don't recall anything that I've ever seen of John Lennon that shows him to be anything other than an.ass.
And changed the name of them,they were 100 zappa compositions
He sure did
Please release the unknown group living in the box.
I want to hear it so bad lol
They were likely asphyxiated years ago, being trapped on the shelf. Probably nothing but stinky dust now.
It's grand Funk 😮
It's The Monkees
I fucking love his voice
❤️❤️❤️I miss him.
Miss him AND Lennon. Two guys it would have fantastic to have around this whole stupid 21st century so far.
Zappa the best
Legend has it- it was Nickbacks first record in the box 😂
🤮
That Martha "Quim" next to Frank?
Franks Absolute and undying commitment to making quality music is so inspiring, and he didn’t do drugs either which is and other reason why he’s such a good example.
He's the reason I quit partying and thinking it was cool to be high or drunk all the time. I realized you can be just as wild and creative without it, and far more intelligent and wise too.
I listened to his criticism of it all, looked around me, and realized how right he was. I was in a cesspool of braindead, trite, low-effort nonsense that led nowhere. I think some substances have a place in society. But the "high life" is probably the lowest life one can live. Substantiated by how many of my friends are on the other side of the grass today.
Nicotine is a helluva drug . . .
@@evanwolf6618 True. Frank smoked like a chimney, but generally speaking he was “drug free”.
@@NautilusGuitars Yeah it’s really hard to find band mates that don’t engage in drug culture, and have the same musical interests. I’m very into jam bands and as you can imagine pot is like breathing in the scene. I want to make truly exceptional music and I don’t think drugs and alcohol will have a good influence on that process.
"quality music" 😅
Someone stole the original? Monstrous.
It was you wasn’t it.
Why did you do it?
Lennon did it
Lennons people not only stole it, but Lennon renamed the songs (which were zappa compositions) and released them on his own album, claiming the songwriting credit
@@Spaceoctopus1776 because he claimed songwriting credits to songs he didnt write, i.e. he stole them. you dont see why that might be an issue? He didnt ask Frank for permission, didnt credit him, and he actually claimed authorship. Frank talked about it and he himself said it was shady. His songs were his livelihood and he didnt have Beatles money. would you be so generous with your earnings? if so send me some.
I bought him a pizza. Of course I introduced him to Warren 😂
I hope Warren enjoyed that
I hope they will release this rare material!!
Wonder if Frank's sure it wasn't Yoko "singing"?
Good one, but nah I'm pretty sure he could recognize banshee screaming right off.
Yoko did it !!!
🤣🤣🤣
😭😭😭
The man had some real pipes in his voice!
Yeah cuz i need to hear Yucko yodeling.
And then John tried to steal the song King Kong from Zappa, who had to file suit.
? I don't know that he actually sued. But he could have. And won.
Yeah that was really fucked up of Lennon, really lowered my opinion of him. And have you heard the mixes? Absolutely horrible!
Do you have information about this? I find it hard to believe Lennon, already a hugely successful songwriter, would need to steal from others. Is there perhaps a better explanation for what happened?
@@chikkipop Lennon wrote love songs. Could not read nor write music. Do you know the song King Kong by Zappa and Jam Rag by Lennon?
gotta show some clips of frank zappa guest starring on tv series MIAMI VICE, that was epic, he played the part well.
Zappa's a hero...but he had a massive chip on his shoulder that reveals this feeling of being disrespected.....even though he got overwhelming critical acclaim
Yeah, seeing all these Zappa shorts lately, I thought, guy seems to have quite a chip...
He's sarcastic here, because Lennon lied to his face ,and ripped off thier musical collaboration to repackage it AS LENNONS music only..cutting him out..he sued and won his music back eventually..
Zappa has been burned countless times from getting thrown in jail for a kangaroo court reason, to censorship of his music since the 60s, and always being viewed in a different light than he is today. I would have a massive chip too if i was always getting bullied because of my music that I have a right to make.
@@kraftyhandz Zappa didn't like the music industry itself, with it's exploitative contracts and control freak Executives..
Part of his appeal is his desire both for Mastery of skills, technique, music theory..and put all that into the spontaneous acts of creation in a free- form solo/ jam ..not rehearsed, polished and overdubbed perfection..Which was boring to him..a generic, soulless product for the Masses, by Executives assuming what people want to hear..
I love how Frank was like...uh ok cool when he met John Lennon.
NO YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SHIT YOUR PANTS WHEN YOU MEET THE OVERATED JUNKIE!!!
Well I love Lennon's even more candid greeting. That's a helluva thing to say to a person.
@@killerjoe7596 There's candid and then there's rude.
Maybe that was Lennon's way of chastising Zappa for not falling to his knees in his presence. This is why he was so much cooler than McCartney.
Lennon was always too big for his britches.
Gosh frank you’re so cool for not caring about meeting John Lennon
Frank was a God who all the greats went to pay their respects because he refused to compromise for anyone.
@@delavan9141ok he bagged on Christopher Cross for being too fat to win a Grammy.
That would have been interesting to hear. Maybe one day, that tape will show up. Let's hope.
They were found and released.
where is the rest of this interview?
Ahmet should release that along with all the other outtakes he’s releasing
I was there- in a recording truck from Electric Ladyland with Flo and Eddie
Prince Albert. He used to live in a can!
😂 (not sure the "kids" today will get that one tho')
Well, apparently he did get the tape back because he did release it.
Wow. That really sucks. Hope it was eventually recovered and released.
Ha. Martha Quinn was a huge Beatles fan and this was during a period where everyone was still mourning Lennon's death (ie: pretty much the whole 80s, lol), it's pretty funny watching her just stare at him blankly as he recycles that line he always would use when describing this encounter. So unnecessarily snide, as much as I love Frank. At least he doesn't tell the whole rest of his (legitimate) beef he had about Lennon and those tapes.
Lennon then released a song from that tape with yoko. Original taping was King Kong, Lennon released it as Jamrag. Probably stolen on behalf of john n yoko to avoid zappa trying to claim rights to the song.
Zappa gave them a copy, in fact for the mixing of the new Mothers 71 box the Lennon Estate gave them the master tapes to they could remix the show.
It seems like someone from Paul and John’s camp executed that retrieval of the tapes. No way would Paul want those tapes being produced and sold to undercut the Apple records licensing.
Horrible, for someone to steal that tape. Sounds like it might have been an inside job, though. Someone who knew Frank or John and thus realized the value of the tapes.
Zappa also hated the recording and didnt particularly care for Lennon or Yoko as musicians, when they released their version they had changed the recording in ways Zappa absolutely hated because of how it treated the other musicians that were present.
@@maluse227John and tiki did horrible, bastardized mixes with Phil Spector and claimed them selves as writers and publishers!
😂😂😂 please, release that tape!
It's already been out. When the ZFT were compiling The Mothers 1971, the Lennon Estate gave the Zappa Trust a safety copy of the reel Frank made for them all those years ago.
My mother recently passed and she was an ultimate Zappa fan... I'd like to think she is sitting at a table with him now realizing a dream.
Martha was such a cutie.
So, now we have to find the real tape and I want to know what's in the box! Zappa-gate stories!💜
He was being sarcastic.
Lol@ "You're not as ugly as I thought you were."
Music is the best
Zappa wasn’t taking no shit even from John Lennon.
But what did Lennon do? Are there any actual details anywhere, or is this just Zappa *claiming* something?
@@chikkipop Lennon, while one of my favorite songwriters of all time, was an outlandish prick of a person, and this is well documented. His "peace and love" image was just a brand. What Lennon did in particular to Zappa, was take a recording of them playing over a tune Frank wrote, then secretly released it without any permission from Frank, changed the name of it, and took credit for it. No credit to Frank. It ended in a lawsuit. There was more to it, but you can just look it up.
Figure it WAS I LITTLE WHITE BOX
That he could store uptown
Zappa is a god 🙏 and i have every single and album picture disc, the full collection and watched him in Brixton academy in the late eighties ❤
‘What’s in the box?!’
Lennon song was called..
You're Not As Ugly As I Thought
I've never been a fan of his music, but I've enjoyed listening to him talk ever since youtube started putting these shorts in my recommendeds.
@@Been.Here.Since.2007 Have you guys listened to the instrumentals? Like the album "Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar" for example?
Same here.
I imagine it’s some clown show band type shit in that box 🤣
To be truly funny you have to be truly intelligent. That's why I find Zappa so damn hilarious
Looks like a cool Frankenstein
Funny story about cheeky John. Frank was so cool.
I could listen to endlessly
WOW That is a genuine mystery, where is that material ?
Someone to look up to from within your soul. Truly.
whenever i hear him tell a story (any story) i imagine background music and think it could easily be a song by zappa😂
I have an album the beatles did with pink floyd called applejuice but nobody's ever heard of it when I bring it up
Is this the guy who named his children Moon and Dweezle...
They showed me this CZcams clip like I was gonna go: "OMG!"
I met him in 1989 at the Providence Civic Center...it was the Broadway the Hard Way tour when he had a Michael Jackson lookalike run across the stage with his hair on fire in the middle of a song.......he was very cool to us and he's funny too.....my friend Henry said to him while he was signing our stuff... "I used to listen to the Mother's of Invention when I was five years old because of my parents!!!!!"... And Frank said "what did they MAKE you listen?" .... and Henry was like no no no and Frank said I know what you mean......I have a copy of Fillmore East 71 that I already had signed by Flo and Eddy and Don Preston and he signed that for me..... it's hanging on the wall in my studio
Awesome!! Met Frank super cool 😎 dude
Does anyone have more of this interview or other related material regarding the fheft of this tape. It sounds ominous.
My uncle would love to see this!
That's actually my band on the tape.... 🐒
Like I was gonna go Oh my God!🤣👍🏽
FZ played excellent guitar 🎸 ❤
Someone shazam that reel.
Statute of limitations must be up by now, Release the damn tape!
Lennon and yoko also eventually screwed frank on royalties from the concert.
Good thing he didn't store the rest of the tapes with Universal Music.
Someone skilled in using A.I. could probably recreate the John Lennon and Yoko with Frank Zappa. I think its on one of the John Lennon albums. They could feed that in with whatever is in the box Zappa is holding.
He was a heavy smoker..
Men, Frank died from prostate cancer…this is no joke get a simple blood test…
He took good care of his health and was up-to-date with his health exams and checked up a few months before being diagnosed with cancer.
@@fernandomaiasilvadias8199 that’s how easy it happens
Frank had plenty of check ups, the IDIOT doctors missed the cancer for so long it became inoperable! Makes me so mad! I hate doctors!!!!
Brilliant musician I seen him years ago in Philadelphia and he gets on stage before he starts. His bravo music n says how the fuck are you hahahaha pajama people
Yoooooooooo what that vault do though?
Zappa always top billing even over his fan, John Lennon.
Somebody knew how valuable it would be.😢😢😢😢
Frank Zappa was 7'9".
Groupies loved him.
Textbook example of a guy that is so angry he never got good looking. And his works are only appreciated by a very very very few.
Always liked Zappa for his excessive use of apostrophes.
Is that Martha Quinn he talking too?
WHAT'S IN THE BOX!?!?!!
Whos got that tape?
Exactly why you don't write "JOHN LENNON" on a high value item box. I'd have just put JL or something
It was Yoko
Wow! Sticky fingers! Glad they were located. Wonder what Frank would think about the internet,social media,and file sharing or "music swapping?" Cool that back then you could have actual hard copies.
John said to Yoko "you're as ugly as i thought you were"
All is fare in love and art.
~ Fair. *
@@5jerry1 not a typo. All is fare in love and art.
Is that Martha Quinn?
Luckily we have the Playground Psychotics and the 1971 box set to peek back at the show. It’s neat for sure, but the Lennon and Yoko bit was only a glorified jam. The real gasp moment on the 1971 box is the end of the Rainbow show, knowing what happened to poor Frank.
Zappa , musical genius
dont eat the yellow snow.
Don’t Eat the Yellow Snow!