What Causes the Rear Wing to Rip Off a Plane? | Aviation Explanation
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- čas přidán 20. 12. 2021
- Is it wake turbulence? Pilot error? Gus and Chris discuss the cause of a plane crash into a New York neighborhood.
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From a structural engineering standpoint, this was a great use of the coloring when discussing the stresses that happen and fatigue that occurred.
Looked straight out of a structural analysis sim. 10/10
I didn't realize how horrible this accident was when I first heard the podcast. Wow.
For those curious why the first officer reacted in the way he did, you can thank the way American Airlines trained their pilots. The pilots were given pretty much improbable scenarios about encountering wake turbulence (it rolling the plane 90 degrees and pitching the nose down, which won't happen). So they were encouraging these aggressive inputs, but then the F/O began overcorrecting himself, and the results are shown above.
The one time they were trained for the least likely scenarios and it made a different one even worst.
Wake turbulence effects different planes differently. Smaller planes will basically be swatted outta the air. Getting flipped by the turbulence is is possible. But a large airliner will literally tank it at low altitude. High altitude wake turbulence can still be very dangerous to an airliner.
@@bobkile9734 It depends on the weight of the plane generating the wake. My C-130 won't notice the wake from a private jet. I get a little tossing from other C-130s. An A380 would eat my lunch.
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Yup there is that too. Wake turbulance is basically a 3D version of the wakes by boats and ships. Small boat generate small wakes and big ships make big wakes. Small boats get tossed around like toys while big ones tank them.
I really love the animated ones. It's done tastefully while still giving really good visuals as to what happened. Thanks animation team!
Learned about this one in materials engineering. A big controversy made over if the carbon fibre composite materials of the vertical tail was the reason for it ripping off. Composite materials were new on the A300 and they are harder to inspect for defects/damage (if you don't use the correct methods). There may have been existing damage that they didn't catch.
However, the main reason for the crash was excessive steering with the rudder. As far as I know planes are suppose to make turns with roll+pitch instead of just using yaw the whole time. The rudder/Yaw is just there for smaller corrections.
Could you guys please provide episode numbers when you do these shorts? It would be really helpful to look up & listen to the whole story
The balance of levity and seriousness is amazing, gonna have to listen to these episodes again
The landing after the plane in front of you is legit. I regularly land 5-6,000' behind other planes and we aim just a little further down the runway for each successive plane.
From mechanical engineering the factor of safety of that rudder with that captains inputs is extraordinarily low. One has to wonder if it could be designed better so that even in those conditions it wouldn’t break but when it’s doing more than double the current safe limit that’s some extreme inputs lol
Gus has really dulcet tones and I really enjoy this, like i dont really care about airplane things but this was so pleasant and informative I'm gonna listen to the whole thing
I now really want an entire episode of this animated as the animated visuals with Gus' explanations are really awesome!
This is such a scary accident. Especially after 9/11. Can't imagine how freaked out everyone was seeing this.
Iirc i think a few people on the plane were survivors from the WTC attack, which makes this even more tragic.
The visual aids (showing how the plane moved and it's direction) was pretty cool.
I absolutely love this, having the little visuals makes it so much easier and enjoyable
I love these animations and Gus' explanation so much
These videos are tastefully, wonderfully done. Great Job to all involved 👏🏾👍🏾
My facial expression mirrored Chris’ in the animation but my brain upon seeing the spinning plane: ‘you spin me right ‘round baby-‘
I know this can't be the most glamorous of the animation jobs in Roster Teeth, but these are really good. Not only do they really help the viewer understand what is being discussed better, but you could use these to teach flying classes.
RT may want to contact some flight schools and see if they want to commission some lessen aids.
Thanks! These are great! Fantastic podcast!
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew exactly what this was going to be in reference to. Been enjoying these. Always been a fan of "why planes crash" type things
This is good stuff. Something I didn't know I would enjoy.
These explainers would be much more meaningful if the description linked to the full podcast video this video is a snippet of.
A vertical stabilizer is a "rear wing"? Who wrote the title? Gus should get on them.
You guys should mention somewhere what episode these shorts are from.
Immediately after hearing 9:11 involving a plane I felt there was gonna be bad news
I love this it really helps with visual representation of my lack of imagination
I’m sorry did you just call the vertical stabilizer a “rear wing”?
Yeah, weird, huh? I wonder who wrote the title. And I wonder why Gus hasn't corrected it.
I remember this. This planes parts were raining all over queens. Then it hits a rockaway beach neighborhood head on. All plane dead and some on the ground. This was also 2 months after 9/11 so everyone was going nuts thinking it was terror
Gus: **Explaining a serious catastrophe that that isn't funny in any way**
Me: "Heh, heh, *_Chanticlair._*
This is absolutely fascinating and I kind of want to watch the full podcast but I also do not want to incidentally spook myself off of flying, although I know that per miles traveled it is by FAR the safest method of travel.
I wouldn't let yourself be scared off flying because of these accidents. These accidents are all so noteworthy because they're so rare, and generally speaking, SO MANY things have to go wrong along the way to bring a plane down. Gus is also super reassuring at the end when he talks specifically about what effect on current safety standards/practices/etc each individual accident has had. The podcast actually made me less worried about flying, not more.
2001 in general was just a horrible year for all of us New Yorkers
I was 5 at the time
If you take suggestions on flights to look at, I recommend The Flight of Mathias Rust.
To give a bit of context without spoiling the story, he flew from Finland to Moscow in 1987 a time were any Non-Soviet would be shot down during that time.
What crazy about this was that it was only days/weeks after 9/11 and I only neard about this just around a year or two of my friends aunt, who was supposed to board that specific flight, missed it by 30-40 minutes due to waking up late. She is still scared about it to this day. I mean I would too.
My grandfather was due to fly that day as well but overslept and missed the flight. He couldn't even believe what he saw on the news afterwards. In addition, my aunt's dream had informed her of this which went double for him being alright. Indeed a crazy time...
Where the rest of the podcast
I can never find the rest of the podcast that are animated
I'm traing to get my LIcence and a flat spin is last situation I want to be in because there is no way out.
*** Please consider adding within the video description which podcast episode number this video refers to. Thanks ***
What episode is this from?
Guess Chris never saw Top Gun if he didn't know about a Flat Spin. Even has the plane getting caught up in the jet wash of another plane.
Or played Burnout Paradise, that's my go to when ever I see something spinning like that.
Is there a mention of which episode this is from. These animations are making me want to re-listen to these episodes.
On spotify it was posted August 13th, 2020, titled Crashing in a New York Neighborhood
I don’t remember hearing about this plane crash? This is informative but it’s getting scary to fly.
Don't worry flying is the safest form of travel in the world. This crash was simply bad training and has been corrected
You don't remember it because it happened in early November *2001*.
@@NavigatorBR so this happened 2 months after 9/11
It's amazing to think that a pilot can rip the tail off of an airplane, basically by just pushing the wrong buttons a few times.
Why is it even possible to do this? Isn't that why planes have standard and alternate law? To keep pilots from doing crazy maneuvers that the plane can't handle?
I really, really wish somewhere in the video or somewhere in the description they would tell you what episode these are from
Its the title screen, crashing in a new york neighbourhood was the episode
@@Parattchi okay fair but its an episode from Aug 2020, you really have to dig for it on spotify. It would really help if they numbered episodes or maybe even linked the full episodes under the animations
One of the passengers was a survivor of 9/11
Interesting, on Air Crash Investigations, they show the lugs breaking, not the pins. I wonder which ones correct.
According to wikipedia the bolts were intact, it was the composite lugs that failed.
this seems interesting, but I feel that guss should learn to be able to take breaks and let the other guy ask more questions in the middle. Like I'd like to know how fast it was spinning (RPM maybe?)
The whole flight passed away due to this pilot's error... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 (edit: any 5 bystanders on the ground)
Honestly that sounds like bad engineering to me more than pilot error. While the pilot may have been in error, this particular error should not have been able to cause the tail to rip off the plane.
Why call it a rear wing? It’s a vertical stabilizer. Can you retitle this?
Ur the only one who cares
Its probably for having a simple explanation of what happened. Although its not correct, it gets the meaning across to those who dont necessarily know what a vertical stabiliizer is.
@@Lomokkoe Exactly, CZcams Videos pull casual clicks in easier with less technical wording in the titles. It's just the way the platform works.
I wonder how many people died