The Vietnam War was a MESS
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One of the lesser discussed wars in Europe has been none other than the Vietnam War. Although wildly thought in America & the USA, the Vietnam war is something not too many Europeans know much about and why and how it happened. In this video we go over the events that lead to the war, how Vietnam was able to win it with the help of the USSR, China, and of course the Viet Cong themselves.
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Rising Storm 2: Vietnam is better. And less expensive
4:55 "Even though Eastern Europe fell under the Soviets, there's still a chance to take it back, by playing Enlisted..." So that basically means fighting for the N*zis, since they're the only ones in Enlisted who fight against the Soviets.
Im so glad you did a video on the Hungarian province of Vietnam it’s very unknown that it is Actually owned by Hungary
We must educate the world
@@LivingIronicallyinEuropeand one day the whole world will know, especially through these extremely great and educational videos of yours
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Credit us minority Hungarian now or we'll revolt. Make the 30th April the National American asskicker day.
@@LivingIronicallyinEurope You should have seen the news from Romania with Vietnamese workers from Timișoara hunthing „parsee” in the fields near Timișoara .🤣🤣
Vietnam is Croatia with the long coastline and Laos is Bosnia with land mines.
Cambodia even had the genocides, expansionism, and frequent attacks against Vietnam (AKA Croatia) during their brutal Khmer Rouge "government" from 1975-1979
Don't forget about Chile and Bolivia. Their South American counterparts
but unlike Bosnia Laos has no Beaches
You're confuse landmide with Laos and Cambodia
@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 As a Cambodian, i have a question for you people. Why do you people always play the victim and play as a hero when talking about history between Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam?
“if the Americans want 20 years of wars we will give them 20 years of war, if they want peace I’ll invite them for tea” - Ho Chi Min
If only the north wasn't actively attacking the south.
If only no outsider intervened and created a southern-northern division
@@Bandog23 Exactly.
The U.S was defending South Vietnam from Invasion. That's it.
It was the North who forcibly waged war.
@@FloofyMinariwrong. VC in the south was siegzed and dead by French colony and American Nato later. THE NORTH HELP VC and people in the south get libration❤
@@FloofyMinari excuse me, as a Vietnamese I’m very upset with what you said. It’s very uneducated. There is nothing like The north “invaded” the South. We are one. There is only one Vietnam. The so-called South goverment is an US’s puppet and the fucking US has no right to divide us. It’s the Viet Minh and the North goverment (as they called) that liberated us from French’s colonization. You have no right to underestimate their effort
"Vietnam War was a mistake"
Wow. Such a bold take. You are so brave, Nick
Everyone knows Viet Nam was an illegitimate sh!tshow. There have been countless classic movies about this, by now, that have this same plot and theme.
No one knows squat about even one country in the Balkans, let alone the exYugo wars. Those are the real forgotten wars, and comparatively, they happened only yesterday.
dude he talks about the balkans in literally all of his other videos
@@BanhaRCD I didn’t say he should only talk about the Balkans. What he does is fine, even when I disagree with him on certain things, I still love and appreciate his work, or I wouldn’t be here and wouldn’t hype his channel so he can get more viewers. He deserves to make a nice living off this channel.
What I said was, was that the Viet Nam war has never been forgotten n the last 60+ years, in great part due to all the media and entertainment that has been poured into the critical analysis of American involvement, and except for sh!thouse movies like Rambo, the criticism has been negative, and rightly so.
Now compare it to the exYugo wars which happened only 25 & 30 years ago. They were forgotten ‘with the quickness.’ No films, hardly any analysis outside of maybe the HISTORY CHANNEL (rarely) or Bosniak documentaries in the Croatian Serbro language with no English language captions (global language of communication the West) or titles. There’s no reason for Europe to have forgotten these wars, period, yet most Western youth cannot even point to a map and tell you where the exYugo countries are.
Its not a competition, its a comparison.
@@Hajde_budalla and you actually make a good point, but the guy here cant do much about it, apart from what he already does
Im the last one to tell him to do something on the exYugo wars. You either run the risk of being too glib ,or you tell the details and horrify everyone. I mean, he’ll get 1 million comments, but he doesn’t profit from comments, and plenty of people might become physically ill just even listening to the list of atrocities. Its also more convoluted a story compared to the US involvement in Vietnam.
12:18 agent orange has nothing to do with napalm,those are two different substances that work in different ways. Napalm is incendiary substance which was used in bombs and caused fires by exploding,agent orange was a herbicide which was sprayed from planes and choppers to defoliate jungles.
exactly, agent orange is essentially really toxic herbicide, they spray and spread it to kill off jungles but it has adverse effects to the human body when inhaled and both Vietnamese and the Americans experienced said effects even long after the war and napalm is something they used after they learned that sh1t could kill their own troops so they used bombs that spread fires it also does a good job of smoking out any tunnel system or dug outs used for ambush by the Vietcong, this was all done before they started banning flame throwers and chemical weapons in the Geneva conventions
I was about to say this, one important note is that agent Orange while officially being an herbicide was also incredibly toxic and resulted in a massive disruption of Vietnam’s ecology and pushed several endangered species into extinction while damaging some of the best preserved land in the country. Not only did it really fuck the environment but it had horrible effects on those who were around it with 100s of thousand of Vietnamese dying and 10s of thousands of US service men. Birth defects still occurs due to its use and people are still dying from the lingering and horrific side effects, using this weapon was a war crime and it’s not talked about enough.
Came here for this.
Napalm shouldn’t be a war crime
Yup immediately heard that and came to comments
As an Americanoid, I was shocked hearing that the Vietnam War is "forgotten" in Europe. The war had a huge impact on America for obvious reasons and I assumed it was talked about just as much everywhere. But, as americans tend to do, I forgot that it was more or less an American only war. Kind of amazing how something so impactful for one country means less for others. Im sure there are countless wars/events that could be applied to being forgotten in America.
It was more known in the boomer generation, but from millenials to next generations it is very much forgotten
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I assume the French talk about it a bit since it started with just them vs the vietnamese
@@bitshox1215 That was an entirely different type of conflict and just one of many similar for them. The most scarring event of recent for the French in their wars of colonialism was probably Algeria.
Don't forget the soukos, Anzacs and Thais
A classic example of misunderstanding character motivations, and a lack of clear goal, The US didnt understand what the Vietnamese were fighting for, therefore it didnt matter how many battles they won. Unlike South Korea they simply could not win over enough hearts and Minds.
A Vietnamese friend I had in High school said to me that they view the war much in the same way the Americans view their revolutionary War against Britain.
The Vietnamese used guerrilla warfare.
@@SaulGoodman-me5bb Not during their offensives after the Tet Offensive. With the Viet Cong collapsing as an actual force due to the slaughter that was the Tet Offensive, the North Vietnamese were forced to change strategy and the war developed into a conventional conflict with many larger tank battles and close air support.
The US were in a very similar situation as when they defended South Korean sovereignty and existence. The only difference is that the US just abboneded South Vietnam instead of giving them the support they needed like what they did for South Korea.
@@8is They used guerrilla warfare whenever the US tried to push them back to the UN agreed border.
@@SaulGoodman-me5bb Very little of the fighting actually took place at the South-North Vietnamese border, but even when the north manage to take large parts of the city of Hue, the South Vietnamese and US pushed them back via urban warfare.
And the South Vietnamese Army even launched a lot of offensives in 1972 like the Battle of An Loc for example that consisted of a large tank battle and airsupport from both the US and opposing North Vietnamese Air Force.
As a Vietnamese, im happy to see our balkan brothers recognized our existance and accept South east asia is just Asian Balkan
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As an Indian I take South Asia as the Asian Balkan
@@Indian_Tovarisch Pakistan is like serbia
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Thanks for covering the history that my family was involved in. Diem considered my family to be commies since we are ethnically chinese but we got out and the chinese who remained were labelled as traitors when china decided to attack vietnam when the viets and khmer rouge were going at it.
can't have shit in South East Asia
@@thirdbrother4018 the only shit in southeast asia are the same trash tourists that visit Europe and mainlanders that exploit the locals
North Vietnam's targeted especially the Hoa people (ethnic Chinese who owned a lot of business in South Vietnam) after the takeover. Their entire livelihood and way of life were taken away from them and they were brutally repressed leading to half a million of them being forced to flee their country and things of course only got worse after China's invasion which was in part due to China's and Vietnam's souring relationship due to their converging opinions on the Hoa question.
@@8isyou know there's quite a large amount of em in modern Vietnam still, they don't exactly like the Vietnamese government but when I talk to them (huaqiao or wakiu) in Canto they immediately rant about the PRC in a parallel fashion to the average HKer
@@8is Under France rule, Chinese and Hoa people had preferial treatment. Frenchs didn't let Vietnamese own banks or big business. Even RVN gov cracked down on Chinese businesses, because they monopolied the market too much.
Also need to mention that whole SEA hate Chinese back then. Indonesia use anti-communism to killed Chinese. Malaysia broke off a Chinese controled city, named Singapore.
Ho Chi Minh was actually trying to free his country, all the way back during the end of WWI, using Wilson’s idea of the League of Nations to help. Practically no one took him seriously. My uncle was in the Vietnam war, so I’m quite biased on the war, but I do have respect for the people of Vietnam. I am glad we are Allies now, and the war truly was hell.
A communist dictatorship isn’t that free
"Ho Chi Minh was actually trying to free his country"
LMAO
@@Zampierrehe was. From French jap and yank invaders
@@Zampierreevery conversation forgets about the South i hate the main stream narrative about Vietnam
exactly! the true vietnam is the south vietnam@@Bandog23
It’s so sad how news travels so slowly to Eastern Europe , they just found out about Vietnam
Honestly this was such a funny comment that I'm actually going to use an emoji on youtube 😂😂😂
They just got wifi last year.
Interesting fact, Ho Chi Minh offered Vietnam as a Jewish homeland
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Cringe moment for Ho Chi Minh
@@constantinethecataphract5949 Jewish and Zionist are two different. The evil govr in Israel is Zionist (Jews fassism).
@@constantinethecataphract5949Ho Chi Minh based was always
What?
Great video as usual. Vietnamese person here, and I can confirm that you included all the important points, even the part where Ho Chi Minh contacted America for support, which usually got forgotten in other youtube videos
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Note: The French only decided to invaded Vietnam when the Nguyễn dynasty rule was beginning to decline, Vietnam before the French invasion was on the brink of full out civil war because Tự Đức The Dumbass failed to reform and decided to rely on Qing dynasty of China for help in case any European decided to invade and spend half of the kingdom treasury on building his tomb. It also noted that the downfall of the Nguyễn already begin during their early years when the second Emperor of the dynasty Minh Mạng have a brilliant idea of expanding the already weakened kingdom after 200 years of civil war to go on a dick measuring contest with the Chinese and the Siamese to see who's empire is the largest. The Nguyễn dynasty army although weaken during Tự Đức reign was still quite a modern army, equipped with Western percussion cap and level action rifles.
Nah, tu duc mark a time of absent of war technology, percussion cap rifle didn't enter service until after french conquest, the rare few (1/10 of soldier) arm with firearms only got obsolete flintlocks. Which is understandable as Minh Mang wars of expansion and suppression of rebellions have depleted the national budget
I’m in Australia and when I was in school, WW1 and WW2 were always discussed. The Vietnam war was rarely mentioned or spoken about. I guess they only want victories celebrated, but a lot can be learned from failures to prevent such horrors ever happening again. I recently saw Ken Burns’ documentary on the Vietnam War, it’s very dense and insightful.
I love this video you’ve made, it’s a very neat and tidy summary on a very complex war.
Something that really stuck to me in that doc was, "They didn't care about the (high enemy casualty numbers), they only cared about the (few friendly casualty numbers)."
Which got me thinking, if we had presented the war in a way that defends the lives & freedoms of the people of the south, could the war have been won back home?
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That’s an interesting question. As I understood it, a lot of the soldiers who went to Vietnam were under the impression they were there to help the south and stop the spread of communism. However I don’t think it’s because the media portrayed it the opposite, at least not at first. I think it was the result of a younger generation of people, who never experienced war and seeing the carnage on T.V had made up their minds that this is awful. Thus the media also adopted a similar outlook and when the soldiers came home they were frowned upon. I think it was very unfair to the veterans who were just doing their job and believed they were there to help. But a majority of them also believed that the U.S had no business being in the war in Vietnam.
it was the ussr who won against the n4z1s not the usa. usa was fighting in the pacific
I love Ken Burn ' Vietnam war also❤
@@ReySchultz121my man Vietnam War is not a body count war
thank you for making a video about Vietnămeşti,this romanian colony has a wonderful history
Funny thing is indigenous Cambodia aka khmer krom in Southern Vietnam has a flag that identical to Romania lol
vietnămești🤣🤣🤣efectiv genial
My great grandpa kept telling my dad war stories and how he was drafted from Morocco to France and then indochina, he told my dad that it was ROUGH, life, fighting, we're both ROUGH.
الله يرحمه
Keep up the work at educating the world! :)
2 things
1: napalm and agent orange are different things and served different purposes, although both were very horrific
2: I think you could’ve mentioned some other nations involved, especially on the South Vietnamese-American side. Countries like Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea played roles in the war. South Korea especially sent 300000 troops to Vietnam and were noted for how effective (and brutal) they were
Other than that great video. It’s interesting to hear how forgotten the war is in Europe. Here in the US it’s very much still talked about and still a controversial topic
Really liked this video. As an American, it's really interesting to see this war being talked about from an outside perspective. It's interesting to hear it said that the Vietnam War is one of the forgotten wars, because in America it's a big deal that's still very much at the forefront of our historical and cultural memory
I’m English, went to school in the late 70’s through the 80’s. Even here, it barely got a mention in history classes. It got more coverage when I was at uni doing politics but even then, it was more the bad politics of American decision making at the time.
one of the side effects of the Vietnamese tactics that is still affecting the US till this day was wounding the enemies instead of outright killing like usual
like the booby traps some other ways to wound, cripple, slowdown, demoralize the opponents, when a guy die, the others will quickly move on, but if the guy is still alive, he will be the burden of the team, and if you can stack the wounded enemies up, they will be a massive burden for the entire army, this was the intention
and the side effect here is if they were dead, you could just build some memorials and tell distorted stories, but they are still alive, they comeback to tell their stories and even run anti war movements, and you still have to take care of these vets, especially the crippled ones and the mentally ill ones due to the war, suddenly they can also become the burden for society simply because you dont know (or dont care) how to handle the situation which leads to many other consequences lingering in many years and scar an entire generation
The Vietnamese were waging a psychological war too. Look up Hanoi Hannah if you don't know her already. She had a radio program broadcasted in English, aiming at American soldier. Every day, she read them the number and names of the American soldiers who were captured or killed. And she told them they didn't know why they were there and that they were lied to and were going to die.
@@JC_923 yeah i know, she aimed specifically at the black soldier too due to the 60s racism
also the assassination of MLK and Malcolm X made recuiting black soldier even harder, and they had already made it hard
and the returning vets with their anti war movements would help even more
that why the enemies are more valuable when they are alive
Story time. Recently I visited the Vietnam War memorial in Washington DC and normally it’s supposed to be a sobering experience as an American, even if you don’t have any ties to the conflict, because through the humbling silence you can see a reflection of yourself through the black tile walls with thousands of names of your fellow countrymen.
Well, that night all the major companies of DC we’re hosting a massive party/rave for their younger employees right next to it. As I was walking along the wall, the song “Billy” by 6ix9ine was blaring. If you’ve never heard it, it has lyrics such as:
“Bitch *[gamer word]* always jacking blood, but I know they fools
Whole squad full of fucking killers, I’m a killer too
Send shots, shots, shots, shots, shots *[gamer word]*
Everybody get pop, pop, popped *[gamer word]*
Thing go rah, rah, rah, rah, rah *[gamer word]*
We send shots, shots, shots, shots, shots *[gamer word]* “
Sounds like youre living in Weimerica.
Bro i was waiting for a conclusion to this story now i feel bamboozled
@@raulsabou5411 If you want, we can pretend the story evds with the ghosts of USMC, ARVN, NVA, & VC throwing it down at the party too XD
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Whether it be the Americans, Mongols, French, or Chinese
The trees are still speaking Vietnamese
and the sky is singing fortunate son
Unfortunately for the Vietnamese, the sky suddenly turned orange with a flaming eagle
@@compatriot852
The vietnamese didnt give a fuck
And tho, tehy didnt care if they were killed
Great video as usual! One small mistake, Nixon was not impeached he resigned right before he would have been impeached.
It still baffles me that Nixon was about to be impeached for something that's considered "a minor infraction" in most of the world and yet having commited to a war that killed hundreds of thousands innocents for fuck all was considered not impeachment-worthy. Hell Lindon Johnson shoulda been impeached as well.
He also said that The Agent Orange was the same thing as napalm, he could have researched the topic a bit better, left out important battles and operations. Overall it was a good video but a lot of holes/fallacies.
I wasn't even alive for that war and it's something I'm ashamed of as an American. Not only because it wasn't the last time, but also because people honestly didn't learn from it. That spark that existed in the American people then to hold its leaders accountable just doesn't exist anymore.
The “spark that existed in the American people to hold their leaders accountable” never really existed. It wasn’t the anti-war protests that lost the South the war; it was indifference.
Those protests were flashy but they achieved nothing. Feel free to look at opinion polls of the era. Overwhelmingly Americans supported American intervention in South Vietnam. But as time wore on the percentage that were indifferent to it increased while the side opposed only increased by small margins. Arguably what would’ve “held their leaders accountable” was the electing people who weren’t scheming crooks (Nixon) who illegally committed treason by going behind the backs of the American people to cut deals with the North Vietnamese.
Either way no matter what America could do it wasn’t going to prop up the South Vietnamese government. Who, in case you forgot, were fighting to maintain their own independence and who have their own nuanced political issues which led to the end of the war.
Well you wouldn’t be a Good PersonTM if you didn’t feel shame and hatred for yourself and your country 24/7, now, would you?
@jerrell1169 I don't know about that. I may not have been around, but even I know that some used to call people who willingly went to fight in Vietnam "baby killers." That doesn't sound like the apathetic whimper of someone who's simply bothered that something's happening. Even today, there are people upset about not only Vietnam, but Afghanistan and Iraq, too.
No, but thats not the point. The point is people didn't care about Vietnam, so ending support was politically supported
I encourage EVERYONE watching to read "The Long Telegram", which is indeed a really long telegram. George Kennan understood communism and the USSR so well that he was like a prophet, and he told the US exactly how to defeat it: by not letting ourselves become like them. And we immediately disregarded it and started acting like the Soviets. And Vietnam was the penultimate act of letting ourselves stoop to their level, and to this day we still haven't fully learned our lesson.
The issue is that after the chaos of communists and their sympathizers brought, the west was out to squash them where they could. Unfortunately for Vietnam which was more nationalistic in general than communist, got the label anyway because the naunance wasn't and couldnt be understood.
Vietnam is my favorite Italian territory! Viva Il Duce! 🇮🇹🦅✋🏻
Duce le tutte le vittorie 🤌
who gave bro biscotti edibles
Great video once again!
lice legenda si, svaki dan gledam tvoje vide-e i nikad mii ne dosadi. samo nastavi jako
I love your videos, keep it up ❤️
As a vietnamese, this is a pretty well done video!
love this more serious take on world history video my man! Would love to see you do the yugoslav wars maybe some day!
Love this channel! ❤
12:21 agent orange was the herbicide/defoliant used on vietnam by the US and is different from napalm which is incendiary. Great video though.
EXACTLY! If it would of been just napalm, which can be in its simplest form just an bensin and styrofoam the effects would of not been so permanent and cause mutations for generations... Idk how the hell he did not know the differences, when it takes two minutes to google it before posting the video but i guess that's just the modern day people...
As in even in this video wikipedia is scrolling in the background, which is really not the most reliable thing ever especially on politics, true history, religion (like reading about baphomet, all is upside down), or technology advances and so on... meaning only in basic things, it is reliable to use.
Yep!
Man , i love these vids ❤
Great video!! Maybe the next one can cover the Yugoslav wars?
The Vietnam war? I wonder what inspires a Hungarian to randomly cover this American proxy war
George Soros probably
He is american born tho
Not what his "protector" said.
Vietnam war proved trees that speak Vietnamese are the tryue lvl 100 mafia bosses
My grandpa was in the Australian army during the Vietnam war he said it was a shit show. In Australia it’s kind of forgotten here in Australia 🇦🇺.
My grandpa was a sergeant in the US Marines
@@Zionist654 damn my grandpas friends died during the Vietnam war 2 of them and his brother died during the Vietnam war.
Loved the vid, i noticed just a small problem, napalm wasnt agent orange, napalm is a sticky substance akin to glue, that can burn for a very long time, agent orange was a chemical weapon akin to pesticide, that was used to destroy the forest chemically, while napalm would burn anything and anyone it touched.
Currently, more than 3 million victims of Agent Orange are our Vietnamese people. If you come to travel, visit some victim centers. You will see that the American government has brutalized people. How are we? Millions of deformed lives are born from generation to generation. It's ironic that America pats itself on the chest that the most civilized country in the world is truly a horrible murderer.
I love the declaring war sound effect in the background at 8:35
This was a great watch, but also a tough watch
Nice video bro :)
Forgotten? Maybe in Europe. In the US, we study it regularly and veterans are everywhere.
Agent orange is different to a napalm bomb. I also highly recommend a visit to the war museum in Saigon. Unforgettable experience and shows you why war shouldn't be an option...
It's a propaganda museum.
@@HecClaytos4956 Yes a propaganda that depicts the realities of the war, and the evil of USA army.
Sure lemme get my wallet out for a plane ticket i don’t think many can afford rn
I love the California Dreamin remix that you added to this video it's sounds so sad.
This guy is the Sharur of the historic youtubers. Glad to have you, romanian here if any relevant.
Very informative video, props to you! Also what was that guitar song near the end of the video?
The original song is The Mamas & The Papas - California Dreamin'
@@vajkberes1424actually fire song tho
@@vajkberes1424 thank you!!!!
Man the ending with the music gave me major goosebumps
California dream the song called
Love that song know it from chungku express
South Korea also sent their troops to Vietnam as well, but they proved themselves to be even tougher soldiers than the Americans. The Tiger Division was one of those units that fought ferociously as well.
And create many war crime against civilian and to honestly they just tough against woman and children but when NVA strike they just hide a barack base wait american support do nothing. They not tough if they tough why they can't reunification own country 😂😂😂😂😂
park chung hee(did i spell it right?) sent south korean troops to vietnam because he wanted SK to be a country who gave aid instead of being an aid recipient. also, he asked the U.S to help get kimchi to SK soldiers.
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Koreans fought with Vietcong only. If they fought with NVA, Koreans will be sh-ing. Don’t boast!
"A mess" is a understatement.
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very nice video ! glad to see how accurately America's defeat was portraited
Thank you!
This was a very simplified & biased (towards the North Vietnamese perspective) analysis of the war.
For starters you really minimized the South Vietnam perspective on this, they had a different culture to the North & wanted to remain separated & they kept on fighting for 2 years after the US left, they were also persecuted under Ho Chi Minh's rule leading to a refugee crisis where around 1.6 million Vietnamese left Vietnam (many of which died).
Secondly you're analysis of why the Americans lost is very skewed, the Viet Cong actually did very poorly against US & ARVN forces, the North Vietnam casualties were almost 3 times higher at the end of the war, the problem was that the US & South Vietnam were unwilling to invade North Vietnam (mainly due to the US's policy of Gradualism), add to this that the US didn't bomb important military targets due to fear of escalating the war & South Vietnam wasn't able to actually finish the war even if they were doing better.
Lastly you left out a major detail which explains why the US & Vietnam are allies now, almost immediately after South Vietnam lost the war Vietnam went to war with Cambodia & China.
I like most of your videos, but you really should have better researched this video.
As a Vietnamese I kindly ask you to shut the actual fuck up about the k/d ratio (most of the kills are civilians and overestimated anyway) plus Ho Chi Minh didn’t prosecute those Vietnamese they left the country themselves due to the fear of communism taking over (I don’t blame them the country was in a very shit shape until the đổi mới policy)
Issue wasn't the Viet Cong / NVA did poorly, they didn't, they slaughtered Americans in ambushes on a daily basis, while sustaining incredible casualties but in all honesty they didn't give two fucks, if killing 50 Americans would cost 200 VC lives they were gonna do it. The issue is, information we were given was either misinterpreted or just wrong (he says that Agent Orange is the same thing as napalm) he didn't mention most of the battles from Ia Drang to FB Ripcord. He didn't mention South Vietnamese army at all despite the fact they killed most of the NVA. Good video but could have been better.
My dad's friend told me briefly about his war experience. He was shot down in Cambodia. He left a lot out, saying it wasn't a good time until New Zealand commandos rescued him and his crew.
Wow, nice analysis Serb. No one has ever come to this conclusion before.
He is Bosniak Hungarian 🤓🤓🤓
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@@CovertBandit0 i thought he had some greek and croat too
@@ihatecatsandbunnies5853 wrong, Turkiye 🇹🇷 🇹🇷💪💪
Excellent! Loved it. 😂
I actually have a friend who's family is from South Vietnam so I'd like to comment on a bit of missed context, overall great video tho. One thing missed in the vid was that agent orange was different from napalm.
Otherwise I would like to say that although the South Vietnamese government was widely unpopular that does not mean the Vietnamese people widely loved the North, the communists and Ho Chi Minh. Mainly because the communists were also incredibly brutal and massacred their own people, including using flamethrowers on civilians. As communists usually do historically, they targeted political and "class" opponents. They would also go on to suppress Buddhism too because religion/tradition = bad, in mainstream communist thought. Many South Vietnamese willingly joined to fight against the North. The entire war was ugly and much more like a civil war than a Vietnam vs. Evil Foreigners War like a lot of Americans and others remember it as. A great example is the The Huế massacre where North Vietnamese troops killed 2,800-6,000 POWs and Civilians (overall 5-10% of the total population of Huế was killed), many of them tortured and dumped into mass graves or even buried alive. When they were discovered, many South Vietnamese were so enraged that numerous South Vietnamese "revenge squads" sprung up to commit reprisal killings on the North.
Tons of Vietnamese fled when the North won. And Vietnamese who now live outside of Vietnam are overwhelmingly anti-communist, they often fly the South Vietnamese flag. In America the official flag of Vietnamese Americans is the South Vietnam flag lol. They essentially consider the Communist Government of Vietnam to be a disgrace that has ruined their country and thrown it into corruption and tyranny. In their eyes the North Vietnamese government was not glorious patriotic defenders like they always like to portray themselves as, but actually evil extremist terrorists who continue to screw everything up. From a data point of view: although Vietnam is probably the least shitty modern Communist state as it has a growing economy. It remains very poor with bad living conditions, high levels of government corruption and the people have very weak civil rights protections (a semi-decent comparison of what Vietnam could have been is South Korea which also suffered through a war and had an authoritarian pro-west puppet government that eventually became democratic and prosperous unlike North Korea).
Vietnamese aren’t and will never be American.
Wait I thought suppressing Buddhism was a ngo dinh diem thing because he wants to make Christian the most popular religion in the south also where the F U C K did the north Vietnamese get their hands on flamethrowers and fuel for it???
I think your friend was talking about before 1985 vietnam living condition(because vietnam was cut off from global economy back then). But now people I see are living a decent life, with houses electricity and all the things required in life, even in the country side people have way better life than most city folks. How do I know that? Because I'm living in vietnam rn.
When people bring up corruption and people with poverty, yeah like every countries doesn't have that?
@@o0o0keemWhile it is true that Vietnam is not literally drowning in poverty. Reforms to the economy to make it more global and open to free markets have indeed made Vietnam better and it is now technically considered a middle income country. The modern age also makes stuff like electricity not that crazy to get. But this is all with a lot of asterisks. It's gdp per capita still pales in comparison to even some lower grade examples. No one would consider Serbia or Belarus to be exactly the spitting image of western or european success. However, both have a higher gdp per capita to Vietnam. Despite Serbia going through much more recent military conflicts and Belarus being known for being corrupt and essentially a Russian puppet. Others that beat Vietnam's gdp per capita include nearby Thailand, along with Turkey and Ukraine. By pretty wide margins, might I add. Vietnam also still does not have a good corruption index ranking by any metric, it's not just 'like any other nation' in this regard. Not good civil liberties scores either.
The economic data still upheld even if you take the more exact PPP value, Vietnam ranks about 103rd in the world in ppp gdp per capita which is a direct measurement of individual citizen welfare and quality of life. Vietnam is definitely not some total backwater, it is developing... finally, but there really is not much room to gloat, especially when one looks at South Korea or Hong Kong before the Chinese takeover.
comparing vietnam to South Korea and Hong Kong is not a good comparison, yes the GDP is not that amazing. But remember that Vietnam economy started super late, the last in the SEA region, still they still have the fastest growing economy that already catch up to Thailand(which started way earlier in the global trade but still hasn't catch up to any). Vietnam will never be a global power, but alteast they can provide good life for it's citizen with stable economy. I rather live in Vietnam than China or Brazil@@npdaz3092
Interesting,nice video btw
i would like to know more Yugoslavia and its former states relations with SE Asia
Bored so here’s chapters:
0:00 - 1:06 Intro
1:07 - 3:56 in the beningging!!! ( I )
3:57 - 4:56 Two Nations One Country pt 1 ( II )
4:57 - 6:07 Ah yes. Ads.
6:08 - 9:18 American perspective ( III )
9:19 - 10:41 **Why do I hear bombs and helicopters everywhere?** ( IV )
10:41 - 12:49 “GO HOME GI” (Vietnam fights back) ( V )
12:50 - 16:52 Public reaction to the war ( VI )
16:53 - 19:28 GI actually went home + Aftermath ( VII )
Outro onwards after this time stamp.
Most notable “Vietnam songs” being used:
Fortunate son - CCR (god this song is overused in Vietnam memes and stuff related to it)
California Dreamin - The Mama’s and the Papa’s
Bro I was playing Hoi4 while watching ur video. I almost sh*t myself when I heard the "declare war sound effect" in the video xdd
Great breakdown Ironic, thanks for the vid!
Napalm and agent orange are different things though - they do different things and are used for different purposes.
Keep it up though, really nice video.
Thank you forest gump, very cool.
I think we can all agree on one thing, the vietnam war and the yugoslav wars had the best soundtracks
Nothing holds a flame bigger in our hearts than Roki Vulva 🇷🇸🥠
Yugoslav wars, Rhodesian bush war, Vietnam war and The Troubles/Irish war of independence all have great soundtracks
loved youre video, could you please cover the iraqi-american conflict next pls
Ugh.
stop having a victim complex, fuck the usa@@Hajde_budalla
@@denisdenisdenisdenisdenis a victim complex? How did you squeeze that out of a 3 letter term of disgust?
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6:12 I FRICKING NEED THAT SKIRT
14:33 You neglect to point out that the USA WON the Tet Offensive, and while Nixon didn't immediately end the draft, he did after we got out of Vietnam Jan 1973
Ya they won't but at what cost, if the Vietnamese were able to do such a coordinated attack so quickly, if means they coulda done it again. I think they lost psychologically, but military they did win, but I'd argue the psychological win was was more effective
@@joshuacamps4990 The point is that the US was never defeated militarily in a single battle of our presence in Vietnam right up until our exit in January 1973, and yet complete idiots post statements saying that the April 1975 conquest of Saigon constituted a military defeat for the USA in Vietnam WHEN WE HADN'T BEEN THERE FOR TWO YEARS AND THREE MONTHS and that's if we got put at the END of January 1973.
Thanks :v
wish you all the best, from vietnam
I am an American who’s grandpa served as an officer in the army in Vietnam, so it feels so weird someone would forget the Vietnam war.
What rank was he
My grandpa was a sergeant in the Marine Corps
I'm pretty sure the Vietnam war isn't forgotten, but the Korean war though.....
A truly magnificent video, great job as always. I dare say it is the best video I have seen on the subject to date, and it is a subject I like. Concise, but says everything that is truly important. And as a side note, I truly hate communists, but that war was just disgusting.
It truly was one of the most pointless war. Excellent video. One only thing I would mention is that US Trooper were kicking arse, but with how the war was fought it was entirely pointless.
interestingly i heard about Australian special forces, who actually had great success in their area, because they focused on befriending the locals and trying to show them, they were better options then Vietcong. But no one learned from them so US just kept bombing for no reason and GI Joes were getting killed in ambushes.
nice video
ah good to see you expand your content to the rice balkans
you should also make a sequel with the Vietnamese-Cambodian and Sino-Chinese conflict, not many people outside of Indochina are aware of what happened after 1975
I got an ad after one minute of watching the video.. I hope this was not intended. For the rest great stuff as always
Wait til someone tells him about the War on Terror
9/11 was a good justification for the war on Terror.
If you havent noticed yet
Not long ago aired at the cinema a movie about the Vietnam war but in the future
Its called Nirmata
How is this war forgotten? Some of us grew up with gaming in this war...
For example i played the little game called Vietcong... it was cool and that's how i started learning english at such a young age
This is what gave me a HUGE advantage in school and life lol
I can tell you that from an European perspective, that war is forgotten since we dont see or hear effects of that war. Same way you dont really learn in schools about Yugoslav war even tho to us it is biggest part in history books
@@howlovely9631 it was the biggest war in Europe and the bloodiest since WW2
Until Ukraine thing happend atleast which is most likely going to easily overtake our war in terms of scale
17:00 l knew and just waited for this song when l saw the name of the video
good video
I just realized the guy in the thumbnail is in my Small Arms book in the second page of the M16 entry with the caption : "An American soldier fires his M16A1" or something like that
As an American who's great uncle unfortunately was a casualty of Vietnam... Knowing the truth hurts more.
We spent 20 years in Afghanistan bruhhhhh the government can’t go 5 seconds without war
truly the schizo super power of all time
What people often ignore in this conflict is the existence of south vietnam. When Vietnam split almost 3 million people moved south to escape communism. Even if Ho Chi Minh was a good guy, by the vietnam war he was more of a figurehead.
It's downright scary how prevalent defeatism is and how we so often ignore the very people we are fighting for. More people need to tell South Vietnam's perspective, which is an incredible story of valor, complications, abonnement and one that could've very well been different. It's ultimately a lesson for why we can't succumb to defeatism and how we need to prevent something like it to ever happen again; we cannot let this happen to Ukraine as well or anyone else.
@@8isI suggest you watch Memories of The South, a Vietnamese-American youtuber covering South Vietnam.
Adding to that, an inherent problem i seem to notice about American citizens is 2 things:
-Their freedom.
-Their no fucks given attitude towards anything.
That "i don't care unless they attack us" attitude, it's not that simple.
Like it or not, America has like-minded friends everywhere, who are we to condemn their struggle to be free like us?
@@8is "We cannot let this happen to Ukraine as well or anyone else" Bullshit, the war should be between Russia and Ukraine, no one else. Peace talks and humanitarian aid is the only thing the EU and US should be involved in rather than aggravating WW3.
@@ReySchultz121it's much more complex,with religious and ethnic issues.South Vietnamese bias to Christianity,viets and americans was also a big factor.
i literally had no idea that south vietnam was ever a thing
Mao ZeCena, nice.
Good video, one correction though: Agent Orange (which you correctly identify as defoliant, it included a dioxin) and Napalm are two different things. Napalm was an incendiary gel, a mix of NAphthenic and PALMitic acid, sort of an American version of Greek Fire.
0:17 your intro was very funny 😂
Ah yes, Vietnam, my favourite province of Ireland
No it’s a province of Hungary
Ireland is a province of the UK
start your car carefully
Don't when you cracked 200k subs, but huge congrats
YOU ARE DOING HISTORICAL CONTENT NOW? God damn keep it up.
1:42 where can I find this clip
edit just CZcams "French woman throwing grains"
The Vietnamese with Rusty AKs stood against the Americans,
the Sky Raining Hellfire and Poison Gas, and Won.
i don't really know why you called the Vietnam war "forgotten". Not at all, not even in Europe. With all the media coverage present back at the time and all the pop-cultural references in movies and video games still played to this day, it comes over as ridiculous. The real "Forgotten war" is the Korean war
Agreed about Korea
Recommended reading: "55 Days, The Fall of South Vietnam" by Alan Dawson. Chronicles the final NVA offensive into South Vietnam ending with the fall of Saigon.
the title is pittyfull nah dawg it was not a mistake it was one of the biggest crimes ever commited
Who did that acoustic version of California Dreamin'?
Agent Orange is not napalm dude. Agent Orange was a chemical that killed the foliage whereas napalm is gelled gasoline. Napalm strikes DID kill forests as well, but these are NOT the same at all. Agent Orange has caused a lot of long term damage to Vietnamese and Americans veterans of the war.
Yea, this video is a bit doofy. He left out a lot of important information on the topic and presented the US soldiers and marines as incapable fucks who got smoked each time despite the fact that the casualties were 4 times higher on the communist side.
Great video! I'm waiting for your next video on why sky is blue or ice is cold. Good thing there's less and less balkan videos recently.
By the way, there is new statistics (map) on reddit about top artists in Europe on youtube. Wish I knew who is Devito, Jala Brat etc and why they are popular, but the war I saw 10 hours of documentaries on is more important!