The Complete Guide to Dragon Tribal in EDH
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Dragon tribal is an archetype in commander full of giant, huge threats that fly and love to smash your opponents. Our dragons in these types of decks need to meet a certain criteria and we go over the ones we like best. Which cards are the best dragon tribal cards and which are just the best dragons in edh? Let's discuss it.
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Would love to see updated version of this :)
I would love to see this video With some of the newer dragons that have been released
Do what I do: just play tiamat and use all of 'em
@@videojamesvidj6742 There are more than 100 dragons in magic. This just isn't very helpful advice.
@@PaulSzkibik yes that is the joke.
I subscribed specifically cause of this video. Been watching all your videos for about 3 months now and the ability to possibly be a dragon pushed me over the edge!
Looking to build a dragon tribal deck now and would LOVE an updated video. Found you guys like 2mo back and have been in a deep dive with your videos.
I know I'm late, but I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned "Thundermaw Hellkite", best dragon to clear blockers, and "Ojutai, Soul of Winter". These two have won me so many games when played. Good vid tho.
Why not mention Wasitora? She's amazing and makes Cat Dragons. She's the commander of my Jund Dragons deck.
she's super cool I really wish she said "whenever a dragon deals combat damage" :(
Because she is not a foilable card...
You guys should revisit this now.
This is how all deck techs should be. Top work fellas. I would never have considered Primeval’s Glorious Rebirth. Thanks NNs, you make the best, easiest to follow EDH content on the net
No Utvara Hellkite or Dragonmaster Outcast? Utvara an 8 cost 6/6 dragon that puts a 6/6 dragon token for every dragon attaching! Even if he's your only dragon on the field if he's if he's left on the field for 3 turns you can turn 1 dragon to 8 dragons in 3 turns! Dragonmaster Outcast is a 1 red mana 1/1 Shaman that at the beginning of your upkeep if you control 5 lands create a 5/5 dragon!
My favorite tribe! Thanks for the video
Glad you're enjoying the series!
Correct me if I`m wrong guys, but I think you missed Utvara Hellkite which is probably one of the strongest dragons in the game and if the opponents don`t take care of it it can win the game by itself in just a couple of turns.
The Ur Dragon is my main deck so I`d say you guys did mention most of the great stuff. Good job. Love the advices you give. I think I managed to improve most of my decks because of them.
i must have missed this vid! I guess it helps with the tuneup for Rith with dragons fresh in your minds haha, although Rith is saproling master instead of dragon tribal ;)
I know I'm super late to the party, but I wanted to point out that Scion of the Ur-Dragon does not retain its ability once it becomes a copy of another dragon, so Atarka is not a source of double strike that you can use unless scion has not attacked yet and will stay as Atarka (Atarka triggers on declaring as attacker). I have a scion deck that has in the past used this strategy for fast wins. The sequence is to activate scion's ability multiple times, putting multiple copies of the ability on the stack. On the first resolution, which is the last one put on the stack, you fetch the 'firebreather.' This is usually moltensteel dragon so you can pay life to pump it (phyrexian red to get +1/+0). Then the second activation resolves, and you fetch out either Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon, Dragon Tyrant, Atarka (if you have not attacked yet), or really whatever source of double strike you can come up with.
I would usually attack first, and then put the transformations on the stack if the opponent did not play an instant in response. That way I could have scion becomes Silumgar, the Drifting Death to get hexproof and avoid paying life into a dead attack.
These days though, I try to play it as a graveyard shenanigans deck to make it more fun to play against, more fun to play, and better in multiplayer.
Built Scion over a year ago and he's still my fav deck. Such an amazing toolbox commander.
Same here ^^
Built mine five years ago and I am still finding new ways to surprise my opponents =D
Nice video as usual. My first edh deck was zirilian of the claw, I wish it made your dragons die at the end step. The exile clause makes you jump through so many hoops, its still alot of fun to play.
Yeah that card is interesting, I used to play it in my Lathliss deck and it got to throw Balefire Dragons and Monarch Dragons and even the extra combat guy at people from out of nowhere! Typing on my phone so the names elude me
A bunch of these dragons are like $20 now
4:31 thrakkus the butcher can be paired with atarka world render, because thrakkus doesnt give double strike, he doubles the power of each dragon you control when he attacks. So kinda like giving quad damage if you add double strike. You can also pair those with warstorm surge and crucible of fire.
You’ll probably say none of these are good enough and I probably play more for theme but in mono red dragon tribal I find ‘Dragon breath’ a useful haste enabler and ‘Spit flame’ a handy emergency removal spell. (Because both recur) although high cmc I also find knollspine dragon very useful for card draw. (Comments have already covered Utvara Hellkite but I find that essential too) - far too cmc expensive and hard to pay off without mana echoes but dragonstorm can really help close out a game. Also needs haste enablers. (At worst it’s a 9 mana tutor for your most needed dragon into play which will often only be 2-3 extra on top of the cost of the dragon) There’s also a few new interesting dragon choices since this video came out.
I think any card in a dragon deck (or any commander deck) needs to do more than one thing. Just giving haste isn't enough. Lightning Greaves gives haste and hexproof, Temur Ascendency gives haste and card draw. There are lands that provide haste... while also being a land. Wasting a card slot on a card that gives one of your dragons haste and not much else doesn't seem strong enough to me.
I have a kolaghan deck! It is awesome at getting out damage but my friends don't let her live to attack if they can help it. Still working on making it faster and more versatile, which involves a lot of the new dragons coming out with hefty standard-driven price tags, most of which I don't have yet. Atsushi is another great 4-drop around the corner (cheap by dragon standards!)
Atarka, World Render is a great and underrated commander, I can’t count how many people I’ve killed with her+inquisitors flail or by flashing in a dictate of the twin gods. It’s hard to win with combat damage in EDH so she provides another good wincon.
Thanks this has helped me I am working on a lathliss deck
Currently making a Squirrels, Dragons and Treasure deck... Dragon Broodmother is AMAZING with a good base of 1/1 tokens
Great video guys
They: "You can become a dragon."
Me looking at my "Form of the Dragon": "I know ^^"
Me looking at my "Form of the squirrel": But, what if I wanted to be almost immortal? *gives the squirrel token hexproof and indestructible*
for the quadruple strike, with inquisitor flail and doublestrike it pretty much gives quadruple strike
Y’all missed the original Khan of Takir dragons. Silimguar: whenever a dragon attacks, creatures defending player controls get -1/-1 till end of turn. Ojutai says whenever a dragon attacks, tap target creature defending player controls and it doesn’t untap on its controllers next untap step.
Ojutai says tap a nonland permanent.
No Morophon mention???? Amazing dragon commander especially if you can get Jodah on the battlefield, now you have free dragons!
Or fist of the suns too
@@jasonandrews1770 i run both in my ur dragon good stuff deck
Feldon is secretly the best dragon commander. Abuse sneak attack effects, wheels and enter the battlefield effects.
y i just made a feldon deck and it's hard not to use all the dragons that i have (i got a mono red dragon deck and the ur dragon deck). God feldon is awesome
Moltensteel will always be my favorite dragon. Can't count the amount of times the phyrexian firebreathing got me a win that firebreathing wouldn't have.
What!? You didn't mention [insert Dragon card name], it is very good. Its [insert Ability] does [insert effect]. I use it all the time to great effect!
What I really like about Steel Hellkite is that you can pay 0 and get ride of these pesky little (or big) tokens. It's a pretty versatile card and if you have a lot of mana to dump into it nothing stops you to activate it multiple time for 1,2,3, etc. It's almost a budget staples I include in most of my decks for this reason
The card is pretty good, but it does limit you to one activation per turn
One of the better synergies I've noticed while playing The Ur-Dragon deck is a "4 power or greater matters" so to speak. Temur Ascendancy giving haste AND card, Greater Good netting at least +1 in cards off of every Dragon you sacrifice (to reanimate later or just to avoid steal/exile effects) and newest Terror of the Peaks dishing out 4+ damage straight to the face is what makes in my opinion a Dragon deck run at way higher levels.
I've personally cut every single planeswalker besides Sarkhan the Mad, because it's an easy "kill button" that gets around pillowforts. And besides that I've found that unfortunately Drakuseth as much as I love him is waaay better in Scion or heavy reanimator decks, while THE Ur-Dragon is more of a "fair" general.
Oof definitely helped out with ur dragon deck!
you guys should do an addendum since we had a wild years of dragons
I play sylvia and korvath as a voltron build, lots of antems and you have 2 commander damage sources
Damnit Beezy, your opening joke. Too funny!
Silumgar, the drifting death. Thats pretty good too.
Dragon tempest, fires of yavima and rhythm of the wild are all in my dragon deck, sooner or later anger will also be added to it 😂
updated version of this would be sweet
Do you have a Decklist for a good Commander Dragon Deck? Cheers guys
My current big boy deck combo is Krark, Dragons Approach, anything thay copies spells.
One i use is lathliss dragon queen. Paired with dragon egg. Certainly not a bad combo
Omgosh, I JUST ordered a Kolaghan deck I assembled, and you guys release this bad boy! This always seems to happen when I make a choice, you guys come out with a corresponding video...weirder things have happened...but this is waaaayyyyyyy way up there.
Vibes man...vibes 🤘
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Mr. Mattrocity we on the same wave length!
Lol, we promise we are not following you!
You know what else rhymes with “tribe”? “Bribe”.
That’s true
Wow. I'm so disappointed that archwing dragon wasn't even mentioned at all here. You can trigger dragon tempest/scourge of valkas every turn with that dragon alone for 2, red, red. Cheap and effective.
Beezy had that card in a mono red dragons list!
My commander is Yidris, Maelstrom wanderer. The commander itself is ok but it has all the best dragons and works.
Noice! Love me some big fire breathing lizards. How’s merfolk sound next?
Thinking about it ;P We've gotten some of the big bois out of the way so the tribes will be getting more and more obscure
Nitpicking Nerds sweet can’t wait. Thanks for taking the time to respond most of the time you two rock keep up the good work!
No Utvara Hellkite? It's insanely powerful in Dragon tribal.
Bobby Israel its very expensive but I can see why you would like it.
Thinking about building a Dragonlord Kolaghan deck where I try to storm into dragonstorm
That is crazy!
haha dragon pun to get things started
Definitely my favorite part of these videos
Oh, and a close second: the edh content
J Raynor that one took us a while lol
Beezy is on fire with his intros!
Love it. Don't sleep on Sarkhan Unbroken!!
He's good but sadly basically only goes into WUBRG, or Temur
@@NitpickingNerds Yeah, true :(
Also Sarkhan Masterless, he makes it so if you or a planeswalker you control is attacked each dragon you control deals 1 damage to the attacking creature(s), so if you have 3 dragons on the field anything attacking that is less than 3 toughness will be killed without being blocked! He's especially good if you're running multiple Sarkhans and Ugin because his +1 turns all planeswalkers you control into 4/4 dragons until end of turn!
Getting ready for TIAMAT Dragon Tribal EDH. 😈
5 color dragon can be hard to play... once it gets going its overpowered
Also, Vaevictis Asmadi the Dire is a thing...but, ya know...no one wants to cheat big dragons onto the field with attack triggers...right? Right?...well? Dragons are Permanents too! 😭😭😭
He's a solid dragon for sure! ust only have SO much time in a video :D
Here pretty late but the reason chromium turns into a human is based on their lore
They respected the human society unlike their brethren and pulled a baphomet by turning human and living among them to learn from them
I wanted to build a phoenix tribal, but I know that there are, believe it or not, NO legendary phoenixes for your commander :( I had this idea for a true phoenix deck that was burn / lifegain + phoenixes, but not having a phoenix commander felt shitty. I know you could just use a boros angel, but it's not the same.
Nobody From Nowhere morophon?
We did a Morophon Phoenix tribal deck, actually. It was for a Patron a while back
If Charix had defender, putting it in an Arcades deck would be funny
I have a Chromium Commander Esper Control and it is epic at pissing people off XD
Trying to build a Bant dragon tribal deck so “always have to have some red” is no help to me lol
Glory Bringer is pretty good.
Marchesa the black Rose is the best dragon’s commander with silimgar and kamigaya
You totally can one shot with atarka. She gives double strike equipped her with inquisiter Flail to dead twice the damage or normal. You can use holding dragon to tutor it from your deck to scare the shit outta everyone.
MOROPHON, THE BOUNDLESS! 🖤
I got a ur dragon deck this is dope.
That’s dope
How come no Xenagos as non dragon commander?
Jungle dragon green card that has to pick trample or flying
Beezy! PLEASE! We need update complete with moxfield memes.
No Tiamat? It's a 5 dragon tutor ETB!
CHICKEN DRAGON ITS A DRAGON WITHOUT FLYING
Inquisitor's Flail + Double-Stike is almost quad strike?
I think quadstrike is the official term or at least it should be
I really like grand warlord Radha.
OK, ima let you finish, but as a man who's run dragon decks for 10+ years, Prossh. 6 mana 5/5 and he can freely sacrifice off your own stuff for +1/0 and comes into play with 6 0/1 kobold. The value, those 6 kobold are the sleeper hit. Now you have 6 blockers to cover you on the next 6 biggest things your opponent is throwing. As well as the opportunity to be sacrificed off for damage. Do not sleep on that damage, and additional combat phase, or double strike, and you just one shot someone with Commander damage. And that's just the basic stuff. It also opens up devour opportunities, stealing and sacrificing your opponents stuff, and let's get it clear, Jund is the ultimate colour combo. You gotta have some Sarkhans in there, most importantly Sarkhan the Mad, the card that let's you kill a player with your dragons, and then burn another one for the same total dragon damage. Jund, ramp, power, tutor. This is the way, this is the fire.
Do you have a discord
Also scion of the ur dragon can copy a dragon... But it loses its ability to copy until end of turn...
What about shivan dragon
Are these tribal decks intended for commander
Yeah it's all in the context of commander :D
I want to become dragon so I subscribe :)
So, monored dragon tribal: Lathliss plus Dragon Tempest and/or Scourge of Valkas. You can shotgun people out of nowhere with that, snuck in a few wins with it. Also I'm incredibly disappointed you left Bogardan Hellkite off the list - It's eight mana with a double red cost, yes, but it's a 5/5 flyer with flash and "When this creature enters the battlefield, it deals 5 damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures and/or players." Such a useful card - gotten player kills off the etb damage alone.
Edit: Also Eerie Ultimatum is a very good card for a WUBRG dragon deck. Fates Reforged Silumgar is a good boardwipe when you swing with a handful of dragons, FR Dromoka makes your dragons bigger, FR Ojutai freezes down opponent's permanents. DRagons are straight up my thing, so... Oh yeah! Sarkhan Unbroken! His +2 gives you a card and a mana of any color for a dragon and his ultimate is "put any number of dragons from your library directly into play". If you can get him to his -9 you just win.
For me that's one of the cards that's too expensive for its cost. I usually just throw in a spell that can deal damage like Fiery Confluence over it and keep my dragons in the more castable 4-6 range for the most part
@@NitpickingNerds I have a weird build for mine, but it works. Have to say my furnace dragon hands down won me a game against a stax deck - nixed the ensnaring bridge so I could swing in for lethal.
You guys forgot to mention Morophon.
Elementals?
Buddy of mine plays golos dragon.
Ultvira hellfire boys
Norophon?
next , angel please
Only watched to make sure Prossh isn't being dragged through the mud. Food chain ftw
Shout out to Tekka's dragon.
Still waiting to see the video on Camels
Never! But maybe
There is another!
wait. wtf is wrong with the art on sylvia and Khorvath?
Do you guys like Draconic Roar?
Not really, it’s a cool card but not very impactful
Funny you say that no dragon can cost 1 and all dragons are at least 4/4, Slumbering Dragon costs a R and is a 3/3 flying that can't attack or block unless it has 5 +1/+1 counters and when whenever a creature an opponent controls attacks you or a Planeswalker you control put a +1/+1 counter on slumbering dragon, great card for sac outlets and a cheap way to do dragon payoffs
It's okay, I think we say most of them cost 4+ I mean it's very difficult to play mono red sac so you'd need black but the card is playable in Lathliss. Had it in my version if I remember correctly
@@NitpickingNerds you don't need to play sac in mono red to run a couple of sac outlets especially ashonds altar, always good card to ramp especially in decks that don't run green and play big creatures, lightning coils is a decent pay off for mono red sac, it doesn't count tokens that you sac though so you do have to build around but it also works as a somewhat board wipe deterrent
I know I'm late, but Bladewing doesn't have haste.
Petition to make quadstrike a thing
Where do I sign!
Chromium turns into a human because he can in the story
Kalia never came back.
Haha,what format is "just playing" or the "not paying attention to format,format"
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Ich finde euch beide wirklich super symphatisch! Ihr wirkt nicht so aufgesetzt, wie beispielsweise die Jungs von "The Conmand Zone", was ich sehr erfrischend finde. Weiter so!:)
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Thank you for the kind word :)
Karrthus + Conspiracy
too bad this video dropped before afr. lot of cool dragons in that one
I subscribed, am I a dragon now?
Corey Palmer yes
Beezy how tall are you?
Six foot six!
@@NitpickingNerds WOW THATS NINE INCHES TALLER THAN ME Im only 5'9''