What Sonic Forces Bosses Should have Been!
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- This video is a playthrough of the Chaos 0 and Harder Bosses mods in Sonic Forces. Classic Sonic fights have been replaced with Modern Sonic and Avatar with Shadow Avatar!
Chaos 0 - 00:00
Zavok - 01:30
Infinite - 03:21
Egg Dragoon - 05:22
Infinite (2nd battle) - 08:17
Death Egg Robot - 10:30
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>Chaos boss fight: exists
Well that's already a huge improvement over the original game
The remix rocks too !
Still should've been Classic's fight. That was a good enough setup
@@game84cube Since it's taken from the Classic improvement mod, it IS a Classic boss fight. :)
@@BigHairyMarty314 uh not really it’s a modern one and also that doesn’t count unless if it’s from 1991 8-bit or 16-bit cd or possibly sonic 3 and knuckles pack. And sonic mania
@@josephfrye7342 Although Modern Sonic was the one who originally fought Chaos back in the Dreamcast days, I'm sure you remember that it was Classic who chased him off during his introductory scene in Forces, and the boss fight in this video was originally from a mod designed for Classic Sonic, so I still stand by what I said.
It has always bugged me that Infinite can essentially manipulate anyone’s perceived reality to such an extent their body responds to it as real, yet all he does is makes a bajillion cubes during his fights.
Like, for a fight, instead of making me run after you, avoiding your cubes, hitting you once and repeat, you should instead be constantly altering my environment to be something completely different and hazardous in their own ways. Put me in a volcanic environment, plunge me into the depths of the ocean and make me fight swarms of badnick or swirl me in a whirlpool, make me fall from the stratosphere, or even make me run for my life in a collapsing cave deep below the surface whilst you recharge for another phase.
You could invert my controls, flip the world 90 degrees, make it low gravity or simply make yourself a massive monster like you did when fighting a bunch of soldiers.
DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN CUBES, LASERS, AND CANNONS!
But than you would complain about some of that stuff
@@sharkracingfanpage8364 I’d rather complain about the Phantom Ruby actually living up to the hype of how much of a hack it is than just have everyone spend months doing squat.
Infinite’s boss fights being so boring just undercuts the threat level way too much for anyone to take him seriously, especially when characters like Tails, Knuckles, and Silver are active and have casually fought creatures several times worse than what Forces has to offer.
I feel like if I could avoid all the lasers and canons I would just go up to infinite and slap him in his face for being stupid why I don’t say the cubes is because THEY ARE CUBES WHAT THE HELL IS A CUBE GONNA DO TO ME CRUSH ME GOOD LUCK THOSE THINGS SEEM TO GO AT LIKE 3 MPH
Funny enough, there was only ONE STAGE in the vanilla base game where infinite did that being capitol city where he kept flipping gravity
Hahaha, bravo. You’ve officially put more thought into the Phantom Stone than the writers/directors.
The Zavok is a bit overkill, however the first Infinite fight is a marked improvement. Being based more upon catching up quickly than surviving phases.
Really? Overkill? Still looks fairly easy to me.
@@DeltaDubs89 As long as the controls are decent.
Remove the overkill amount of bees and you’ve got a pretty decent zavok fight
i mean Sonic was being tortured
Tbh it’s good
Feels limited but then again he would do that
Sadly not in the actual game doe
When fans IMPROVE the game heavily it really shows that they know what the community wants
Fans should never be in charge of a project though. That’s how you end up with Snakes on a Plane
@@mooganifythat’s how you end up with Sonic Mania
This makes me wish all this was included in the actual game, and a secret final boss with Super Sonic as well if it were possible.
@@high440I see nothing wrong with these battles or people who like difficult games in general.
The secret final boss should be "Overclocked Infinite" or "Phantom Infinite".
@@rosesongoku6980 Phantom Infinite would have been perfect. And if he needed a bigger form like most Sonic bosses, he could hijack the remains of the Mega Death Egg Robot and its core to become the Final Phantom.
The fact that Chaos is & the first boss battle makes it already better 😅
the lack of any dialogue in the death egg robot fight makes it seem so much more serious, as if Sonic, C.Sonic and the avatar are putting their all into the fight and focusing
I was wondering why you have Shadow replace the custom character but then I realized it makes perfect sense for G.U.N. to be the one to make the Wisps into weapons instead of everyone else and will have Shadow be the one to test them out.
Man, it would be really epic if there was shadow instead of avatar
I mean, real Shadow with all his powers
And last infinite battle could be looking like mephiles battle, like, infinite could block Shadow's attacks, and also this battle could be a bit harder
@@sumVortexmmm I wouldn’t mind BOTH to be honest 😅
Well that, and him using weapons is a core feature of his game, of which the wisps surprisingly almost all fit into preexisting weapons in that game, you could 100% mod them into shadow the hedgehog with minimal thinking
Sadly I don't think anything can fix defeating the Egg Dragoon by throwing rocks at it, but at least the fight feels a lot more chaotic and dangerous
I agree with you because the gun attack you can just stand still and you'll be fine
It could be that you had to protect Tails first so he can hack the Egg Dragoon and nerf him to damage him with the rocks
Is it just me or is the drill attack more faster?
They couldn’t have the Egg Dragoon come towards the foreground for Sonic to hit directly?
I couldn't agree with the title more...
Forces ruined almost all of the characters
@@TheRealRandomFandom Except Tails. Unleashed and Lost World already ruined him.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 that’s also 100% true
Why would sega ruin their characters,that’s so mean
@@AkameGaKillfan777oh god no, this game made him worse then ever, atleast tails had a pretty small purpose in unleashed, and even though I hate tails in lost world atleast he has a god damn back bone in lost world, because he’s not even brave enough to fight chaos zero in this state
God. Death Egg Robot really was squadered, still easily one of my favourite boss designs. Almost feels like a precursor to the Titan designs, in a sense. Sadly, it just wasn't an engaging fight.
Also, REALLY wish we got SOME explanation as to why, you know... Eggman's mech bursts out of the chest of his bigger mech like some kind of parasite. The thing barely even looks big enough for him to fit inside...
I call that smaller mech "Mega Death Egg Robot Core", as it was originally the core of the machine. But the main body suffered too much damage, forging Eggman to separate the Core and attack with it.
You know what would be really cool? If a Sonic Frontiers Sequel brought back that version of the Death Egg Robot, but make it more influenced by the Titans from the first game. Like a combination of all of them. Then... when the larger body is damaged beyond repair, Eggman unleashes the core robot and Sonic has to face something smaller that is almost as fast as him.
The boss's name frustrates me because there's so much room for originality. Its design is so cool and leaves a lot of options, like Egg Gorgon, Egg Naga, something along those lines. The smaller one could either have a derived name, like "Egg Naga Core", or have a unique name, like "Egg Parasite" or "Egg Heart".
My guess is that the core robot must be some kind of Version 2 of the Egg Nega Wisp Armor, which had similar wild animal type mannerisms, and it must be gassed up with a lot more corrupt Wisp energy than the first version was.
So would it be something more like the Death Egg Nega Wisp Core? (Long name I know but sometimes long names are cool.)
@@syweb2 Egg Gorgon sounds so cool.
Why is it that the most satisfying part of mid to low tier Sonic games is when they throw hands? Sonic punching the crap out of Zavok? Shadow kicking Silver in the back of the head? Some of the most satisfying stuff
Ok the chaos one was a huge improvement 👏
The bosses definitely could've been better in this game. The only ones I really liked was Zavok with his Death Queen and the Mega Death Egg Robot, and even then, the latter was basically a series of rehashing the game's other bosses.
To be fair the final boss is meant to test all of your skills you have e learned up to this point.
@@disneyboy3030 I get that, but it's so blatant that the fun of it kind of gets sucked out of it.
One thing that disappoints me about the final boss is its name. It feels like blatant nostalgia bait while looking very little like its namesake; the only real similarity is the arms. Why not call it something cool and original, like the Egg Naga? (Also, the robot inside could be the Egg Parasite or something).
Agreed, those (as in the Zavok, MAYBE the first Infinite Fight and Final Bosses)are the only two-to-three really good boss fights in Sonic Forces, most of them are either too gimmicky (such as the Giant Snake, Crab Robot and Large Egg Mech), are way too similar to previous bosses (such as the third battle against Infinite just being a re-hash of Metal Sonic), or are just...meh(such as the second fight agents the Egg Mobile, the second Infinite battle and Metal Sonic).
Really makes me wonder what Sonic Force's could have been had it not been rush and had more then only THREE Developers Knew about Sonic.
Zavok was a good boss fight as it was, but it lacked challenge (it has like 2-3 attacks, one of which is summoning minions) but my favorite was the Infinite boss in the city. Mostly because I remember I once used a wispon that got him to “phase 2” almost immediately but also because it was fairly difficult to stay alive after getting hit
Even though Infinite is obviously overlooked on, I see him as one my favourite villains in the sonic series
He could've been so much more.
The problem is he had the impact as a wet fart, but I was genuinely hoping he'd be the best Sonic villain in recent memory, if not, ever.
Infinite is cool villain on paper. He was cool in trailers too. Problem with him is writing. He is as flat personally wise as cardboard.
He could been so cool if there was more done with him.
Looking at past villains like Mephiles from 06, Shadow from Adventure 2 or even Chaos himself from Adventure 1, they had something.
Point in case - Writers didn't know what to do with Infinite and just made him edgy boy and not what he was supposed to be - a real threat or even a "god of destruction".
I feel like they could bring him back and really make him better. Maybe play up that he was inexperienced with his abilities. Being able to mess with peoples senses and creating illusions can be incredibly powerful
Sonic stories are never anything to write home about. But they also never take themselves seriously, which is why Infinite never worked. Which is a shame. He had a great design
@@HarvestHollows Sonic Forces especially needed to take itself seriously. I am still flabbergasted that Sonic got captured and tortured for a period of time only to have Sonic laugh it off.
With frontiers having been out a good while, it makes you wonder: How much bigger and better could Forces be using the Frontiers formular? Open zones like Green Hill, Metropolis etc being different open zones to visit after completing some of their levels. And make use of several playable characters, including adding the Team mechanic from Heroes
Man, So glad that Sega learned for Forces, if they didn’t, this franchise would have been screwed.
Maybe chaos should of been classic sonic because it was classic who defeated chaos in a cutscenes but still awesome with modern gave me adventure vibes
The mod is intended for Classic, you can tell with how the "boss" ends. Overtime just replaced Classic with Modern for the whole video.
Classic Soonic controls sux, thats why all bosses dont have classic sonic
First boss with Chaos had modern Sonic, but turned to classic when he hit the goal
This would totally make Sonic Forces more fun. And not so quick.
3:03 Random idea: After this, there’s a schmup stage where you ride on the mech and shoot down the access panels/locks on other prisoners’ cells, as well as illusions of other bosses (kinda like Age of Calamity’s divine beast segments I guess)
Yes
The worst goes in forces was its final boss. SEGA went: let's rip the boss from colors! Nobody will know! And we all knew it was ripped from sonic colors. The good thing is, this improves all the bosses.
I never played or seen anything from colours at the time so I did not care
Technically the Nega Wisp Armor ripped the Egg Devil Ray from Sonic Unleashed
Sonic Team Exec: "Too much creativity. We have to cut this for more cutscenes."
I still don't understand...
They could update game with patches!!
They saw that people hate game, but of course NO!!
In patches they only updated clothes for avatar.
and they ripped the boss from colours and replaced all the textures in it.
@@AyrtonEdwards-bv4fxI really don’t care if they adapt stuff from other games 🤦♀️
Sadly these changes make some fights drag on though infinite's second bout a surprising change.
Well that's mostly because despite the changes, modders are still technically limited given the Map layout and AI programing in these fights are.
Interested when they're gonna do Metal Sonic new boss fight and Infinite phase 3. And it's gonna be absolute amazing
The 3D avatar infinite boss looks amazing, that is a massive step up from an otherwise boring fight
To be completely honest, I would have preferred the second Infinite fight in the offical game to be like the one that was showed in the video, I always had a weird disliking of the 2d sections for the 3d games especially for the boss fights.
The Chaos boss battle would've been a really good idea too.
The infinite battle looked really good!
*sees the arena for the Chaos boss fight * oh, so like the water boss from Sonic Rush!!
It's amazing and sad at the same time that fans are doing better than a whole company
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Chaos: *Gets an actual fight*
Me: Hell yeah
This is why I want an HD remake of Sonic Adventure so bad… Imagine fighting Chaos in HD…
Love the chaos theme remix and the mix of open your heart
These are just pretty cool combinations
I wish zavok’s fight wasn’t him just using a bee badnik and actually fighting sonic with his fist doing like wave attacks
Considering the game already seemingly had a major hook on nostalgia baiting, imagine if each boss fight was just a re-creation of their boss fights from each game they appeared in. That'd be cool
I agree with this completely. As overkill as the zavok boss fight is, this still is better than the original. The boss fights were way too easy.
I’ll never forget how much of a banger Zavok’s theme in this game is
3:00 Okay, Sonic Dempsey Rolling Zavok as a finisher is awesome!
- Look in this trailer we put Chaos
- Awsome , are we going to fight him ?
- Of course not , how about this rejected power ranger vilain teaming up with a giant bee ?
I was gonna say, we never fought Chaos in Forces because he was one of like three bosses removed due to time constraints, considering the game also has a lot of cut story.
been looking for your channel
for a while
Love to see it
Bosses: Try to beat us now that we're harder
Sonic: Alright. Let's do this Shadow!
Classic Sonic: (Tries to Wave)
Sonic pushing Classic down: No he's not here.
Modern sonic in classic stages reminds me of Sonic Rush, especially in Egg Dragoon when dodging the Gunfire, Reminds me of how you dodge the first boss in Sonic Rush's Rolling attack.
This video also makes me wish we get a Sonic & Shadow Game
Yo sick mod tho bro. It reminds me of the older sonic bosses form the SA games.
Honestly for as easy the Zavok boss fight was, I kinda liked it.
Some people say Forces was bad and I thought it was good but the fact that it led us to the IDW comics makes Forces even better because now fans who are beginning to read the IDW’s and have already played Forces, know that Forces is connected to IDW’s timeline.
Game's still shit but I'm glad they're actually connecting the games together with the story
We are talking about the first war in all of Mobius.
And I couldn't agree more with this video.
Major improvement
I was waiting for the fight with the Shadow replica, Metal Sonic replica and the Third Battle against Infinite, I still feel satisfied with the Bosses faced in the video
2:55 sneak peak for frontiers
The avatar infinite fight is perfect because it makes use of the 3d parts of the game and can’t get 2 hit by the fire weapon everything is a huge improvement and we honestly did not need metal sonic fight
5:27 all the hits to Eggman are on beat with the song
Thank you for making the final fight not so BS.
this video it's very cool and i like it.
No one gonna talk about how in sync The music was to Infinites power here 8:20
Now, this is cinematic gaming.
14:40
Phantom Ruby Robot/Monster is my nickname for Death Egg Robot
I mean you got the point of it, The game been out like 6 years.
Ong so cool!
It’s sad that the fan base makes better material than the official developers.
I haven’t even seen any of the boss fights from the original and I agree
Now THIS is Sonic Forces
The fact that they were supposed to be like this from the beginning
Since Infinite getting defeated over and over means he doesn't come off as much of a threat, rather than being a recurring boss fight, I feel he should have been an enemy the player has to run away from, like the Titans in Frontiers. You only get to fight him at the end of the game.
The chaos boss fight looks legit. I think it would've made more sense if classic Sonic was fighting him though
he does fight it, Sonic Overtime just replaces him with modern sonic for the video
If the sonic forces game where to be remastered. I think Sega needs these types of boss-fights and more scenes.
me after the Chaos boss fight "where you going, you big drip"
What you did to Infinite boss was fire
So cool
Finally, now Chaos is involved in the war.
"where're you going ya big drip?!"
Title: Sounds like the bosses are actually a threat
Gameplay: Continues to prove that they're still a joke because they can just be defeated with minimum effort & cheese tactics.
The last boss is actually pretty challenging. I did die a few times on the Avatar one as well. I make it seem abit easier, as I know all the patterns
To be fair, it’s Sonic Forces, there’s only so much improving that can be done to a 5/ 10 game
Same as Frontiers Bosses lmao
@@Terminal_Apotos To a lesser extent.
@@NeonStudios763 Not really, the Titans are just Punching bags with attacks that are rendered irrelevant because of the infinite parry. Aside from Knight none of the Titans have any interesting Gameplay mechanics aside from basic QTE’s which are Mindless and mostly optional, again, due to the infinite Parry
incredible! all I need now is an actual boss fight with The End-no, the Tohou ripoff and Supreme phase two from the latest update do not count-and I will be completely satisfied.
The egg dragoon would make more sense if classic fought eggman and when he brought the dragoon out, modern swapped in.
Cool
Bro I didn't notice at first but The Chaos 0 Battle had a remix of Open your heart as the Boss Music.
This Chaos 0 already had more effort put into it than the rest of sonic forces in its entirity
Chaos be pulling out the smash shield
I saw that Shadow is the Avatar, so I made it my headcanon that (somehow) Infinite stole Shadow's powers to charge the Phantom Ruby.
That's why the boss fight are harder and why Shadow uses a Wispon and not just his powers.
Then in the final boss battle, he got a bit of his power back because Infinite was defeated. That's how he could keep up with the Sonics.
I never liked how the metal sonic bossfight made him 10 times the size of sonic.
Players: How’d you fix Classic Sonic?
Modders: We got rid of him.
Players: Brilliant.
Epic
Almost thought a chaos fight existed
I like it, but this is better
a shame that the execution of infinite was a crime against humanity , a good design, the concept of his powers are totally god like , i hope sega give him a second chance
I think fanmade boss fights that exist to make a game harder ride a fine line between "acceptable" and "completely tryhard" but I think these bosses are pretty good without being too ridiculous.
Minor thing would be the start of the first infinite fight, the first thing Infinite does is spawn red cubes directly in front of Sonic with only a split second to react. Gotta remember these are kids games, not DMC, it would've been better if he spawned them so close the second or third time during the fight while the first time you get a little bit of leeway so you know what you're getting into. Other than that I have no notes.
The Egg Dragoon had 10 shots of espresso before the fight, my god
I am a forces fan but even I have to say except for metal sonics and infinites second I don’t really like the bosses also adding chaos as a boss is a smart move it got me really excited
Your the king
My problem with Infinite is that Eggman wanted him to be a killing machine, and he let EVERYONE live!!
1:15 bro de-aged faster then the eye can see 💀
I like that they just replaced Classic Sonic in these with Mordern Sonic
As they should honestly, as they should XD
POGGERS
Sonic Team needs to bring back Infinite for a future game as a main villain of some sort with Sonic Frontiers writing. The premise can be something along the lines of a forgotten creation taking away something/someone previous to you or becoming something greater out of their free will with a power they have fully claimed as their own.
Sega hire this man right now
Honestly, I wish someone could’ve made custom attacks so the Egg Dragoon could actually be a good boss fight in this game
And AS WE SEE HERE WE SEE THE AMAZING SONIC TRANSFORM INTO HIMSELF FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION 1:16
Honestly other than the chaos not getting a fight and the rushed story,the game was pretty ok
Classic sonic grew fast in the credits of Chaos 0
Totally accurate title although i definitely abandonned Sonic Forces. Doesn't have that much of a replayability value. Mods are fun to play once to check them out by yourself but game itself gets boring after once again.