Installing a Dust Extraction System with PVC Pipe. How to Install and How to Deal with Static.
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- Whats happening everyone! In this video I install a complete dust extraction system using pvc pipe. I show how you to install and also dispel the myths about static and how to deal with it.
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I was very suprised that you could run all of the pipe of the little extractor. AMAZING. Good work John think you might have changed my mind of the extractor I need well done 😁
I really like how you're happy to admit mistakes that you've made and you're such a good communicator. Thanks for all the content you make!
My pleasure!
Great video, you've help make things clearer with regards using wavin soil pipes. I've a much smaller shop so I might get away with the kit. I'd love to see a 5 min video of each machine in use and how well it works and an idea of how far you are from the extractor. Keep up the good work. I'm in Dublin BTW so you have a local audience
Its so good to see someone using a proper dust extractor as opposed to a chip collector which in general tend to leave the fine dust in your workshop unless you have a paper cartridge filter although this reduces the air speed so you are back to square one with a bigger unit.
Some people have spiral wrapped the outside of PVC pipe with bare stranded copper, and fastened it about every foot with screws long enough to penetrate the inside of the conduit. Like you already mentioned, that's not grounding the entire internal surface of the PVC. Great video and keep up the awesome work!
I came up with a brilliant solution, copper piping! Glad im a plumber! =) Loved it watching an electrician installing 110 mill waste pipes !! Next time, use something like a silicone grease, use Glidex myself and that makes it easy to install and adjust angles with and so forth. Loving the channel !
Looks good bud. Your channel.is quickly turning into one of my favorite wood working channela
You seem very genuine. Pleasant to watch. Subscribed ✅
i love how you put so much detail in to your video's keep up the good work mate
Thanks Andrew will do
Being from the states. It always amuses me the different terminology different countries use for tools and parts. Great video keep up the great work.
Different names same stuff
After watching this video I got an idea. You have your dust collector and you also have your dust extractor like these for small tools as you know large system is not that great for hand tool dust collecting applications. So, I bought a Kirby vacuum cleaner motor head which has an impeller that is separated from the motor, which has a separate assembly to get cooled. The impeller sucks the dust and within few inches exhausts it to a bag via 3 inch pipe. I’ve removed the bag and connected the three inch hose to a 4 inch hose to my large shop three stage dust extractor with cyclonic action. This way I have one place for all the dust from the small and large tools, none of the filter expense of expensive small systems like festool and other, takes very little space and it’s in-line install setup for under 100 bucks. Awesome video as always very informative. Thank you.
I've got the same extractor and I've just put it on one of those remote controlled sockets, makes a massive difference not having to walk over to it to switch it on. Great video that, given me a load of jdeas
Good stuff glad it was useful
I took a heat gun to the connectors which are the same size as the pipes or machine outlets and melted the connector a little and got a great deal. Worth giving it s try.
Great video John!!!
Hey John.
Recently discovered your channel, always great to watch another Irish persons take on things as I usually have access to all the same tools and materials!
Funny enough I've only got my dust collection system up and running in the past 2 weeks or so and also used the sewer pipe. The hardest part is getting the fittings together especially when they're high up on the walls, that washing up liquid trick looks like it works wonders!
Something I found handy was 100mm manrose fittings. Flex hose fits over those really well (though I don't have the quick couplers). I made my own blast gates with 110mm holes (just made a router template) to accept the sewer pipe / fittings, then on the other side I used "Blauberg Ventilation Round Circular Ducting Wall Mounting Plate with Spigots" (didn't get those exactly but Google those and you'll see what I'm talking about) which have a flat flange plate so you screw them on right over the 110mm holes and then you can connect flex hose up easily!
One other thing was I found was (relatively) cheap flex hose. It's not clear but that doesn't bother me. It's €33 quid for 5m of 100mm on Rutlands in the UK. I've been using it and it's pretty solid, though I think its 5m stretched and you probably get closer to 3.5/4m ! Rutlands also do a "stay put" hose which can support its own weight and is really handy for the drill press!
All the best!
Nice one thanks for the info
Great work round. I really like the finish.
Thank you! Cheers!
Another interesting and informative video.
Thanks John.
Glad you enjoyed it
I have been doing the same. Four of nine machines hooked up so far. Amazed at the difference it makes but it takes some adjustment to be chasing gates, lol. The height of your gates is great. Mine are on the floor which is a pain. I got some great ideas from your job. Good work John.
Nice one! glad you found it useful
Real helpful video John. I wish I had the space to run an extraction system like yours in my garage workshop. the thing I find most frustrating is, the different size fittings, pipe and outlets from machines, and when you look on the internet to get adapters, often they give you one size and dont say if those sizes are outside or inside measurements
I am a retired industrial electrician (55 years in the trade) I am also a wood worker so somewhat like your self.
I must say when ever I look at the inside of a shop I also checkout the electrical, yours is some of the best that I have ever seen. Over the years I have wired several shops for friend and I always used a method very similar to what you have done.
Cheers Frank.
I really love how you make this video, John! Glad to have found your channel. I'm trying to figure out how to build my own dust extraction system right now, so this helps a ton! I'm also trying to figure out how to deal with the static build up using pvc pipes, as I have no knowledge about these things. Thank you! Greetings from Norway.
Glad it was helpful!
Fair play for clearing up that issue on the copper wiring
no problem
Spot on. Love it
new system is looking good
Good stuff john! I was kinda curious how well the simple shop vac would perform but it seems quite solid. Keep em coming!
its a bit more then a simple vac its a twin motor dust extractor it can pull 35,000 litres a minute
Fantastic job, John! Works great! 😃
Stay safe there! 🖖😊
Thanks 👍
Well worth the wrestling with you're pipe work, you've done a great job John 👍 Where would we be without Duct Tape 🙂
Nice video! just subscribed. Thanks for creating awesome content/videos!
You are very welcome
Good video what I do to make PvC fit when it's close is I heated up with a heat gun and you can make a bell end or For heat it up in put it over a glass bottle
I enjoy your channel so much....best wishes from Canada
Thanks Andy glad you are enjoying it!
Great video, v helpful. Thank you
You're welcome!
Sorry guys I forgot to include how to actually connect the copper wire. Its simple enough just run a bare copper wire through the pipe work and connect it to something that is earthed, you can buy braided copper wire that's not insulated and connect to a conduit or metal trunking the metal on a machine will also be a earthing point.
Cheers John.
Do you need much wire length stuck inside the pipe, or is it just enough it's there ?
Ok, seen new video, question answered.
Thanks for that walk-thru. Regarding the static, what about using some conductive copper tape along the inside of the PVC pipes, folding it over to the outside on the connections so you can ground it with a wire from there? I guess that would work quite well and may be easier to install. Up to now I haven't yet grounded my system, but do notice a lot of static build up on the plumbing, so I'd really like to dissipate that charge before I have an issue (particularly on the CNC).
I had great doubts about the suction of that canister vac vs those long 4 inch pipes; i was impressed by the result. I'm guessing the thing is pulling something like 650 CFMs. You'd probably benefit from a separator like a cyclone unit pre your vac.
Well done feller great work 💪
Thanks 👍
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice video. You could make it closer to the wall by using 22,5 degree bends at the ceiling
Great job......should have waited for this before doing mine 🤣
Great Video John. Looking at doing my home workshop but curious about blockage particularly on the vertical pipes. Have you had this problem? I have lifted my corrugated hose to a vertical position and debris seems to stay at the bottom half of the tube. I have a high cfm dust collector as well. Any help would be good.
Just a hint when cutting the waste pipe... your electric mitre saw makes quick short work of it and you get a good even cut. Great video as usual sir! Thanks for the idea!
Good tip!
Great video, I'm interested to see how the cable ties hold up. From experience in a factory there can be a lot of vibration through the pipe which would wear the cable ties against the metal frame on the roof.
they are heavy duty I have ran some pretty big cables in factories that would weigh a 1000 times what this pipe does and I have never had a cable come down in 20 years of doing it. So in my home work shop it won't be an issue
I’m an American who plays Irish music and does a lot of woodworking, so I keep expecting you to say, “and when we’re done with this we’ll head to the pub for a few tunes with the lads!”
I’ve got a similar record power extractor and have been wondering if it’s possible to use 4” waste pipe and up pops your video. You did an excellent job and answered all my questions and more. Thanks for posting, now to order some pipe and fittings
Good stuff, glad it helped
Well John you said you were looking for a cyclone dust extractor, I’m in Newrath Waterford if you want one, it’s a spare one I have,
Best comment of the whole video: "When you do things cheaper, you pay for it in labor." Yep. "There's no such thing as a free lunch."
Hi John, I'm doing something similar with my workshop and you've definitely sold me on the record power dx4000 from your other video about it, it's probably going to be the dust extractor im going to buy and it's small as my workshop is only a typical single car garage, however I'm hoping I can get away with using 68mm PVC pipe over 110mm soil stack, rag 'n' bone browns video and he said he used 68mm for his small workshop, I was wondering do you think this will be an acceptable thing to do or would it have to be 110mm pipe for the dx4000?
nice set up. you could have heated up the pipe and used a hose clamp to tighten it down onto a turned piece of wood.
i think you will need a seperater in there soon. those dx4000 s are great but too small for planers . i have built a few thien baffle seperaters in my time and find them great. phil thien has a forum for people to discuss them if you are interested . im a regular there.
i would add a 50mm or 63mm flex hose to the chopsaw, it would work a lot better than that shop vac hose, its probably 38mm and restricing ariflow for no benifit
John i had the same problem but a boy from record told me record flexible pipe is left hand threads i had the same problem myself cheers Michael
John, all you need to connect two equal section pipes is a straight connector for the pipe size John
Can I use wavin piping to dust extraction unit installed outside the workshop ?
Good set up John. You should think about making your own blast gates out of ply wood and some waste pipe bits. Saw a camper build guy do that in his shed, really good solution. Thanks for the great videos. All the best from Dublin.
yeah I was thinking about it simple enough to make
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Cool. Go ahead and make a video on them so I don't have to watch someone else doing it !
Un vídeo excelente.
When I need some adaptor O turned them on the lathe from wood. They were a bit chunky!
Greetings from Australia. Try bike inner tubes especially "Fat Tyre" inner tubes. A 150mm sleeve will fit over a joint is air tight and relatively easy to put on and take off. Best of all if you live near a bike shop they will be able to give you a broken one for free.
Inner tube would be perfect good tip!
Hi John, sorry to trouble you but do you have any views on the DX4000 extractor. There’s so much talked about LVHP, HVLP, HEPA that I’m really confused (not hard!)
How’re you getting on with the Record Power please?? Thanks again Gav..
The flexible pipe really is super expensive. I did a lot of research checking searching looking finding well not a lot of finding lol but a little finding of the flexible Hose. One thing I found is that the RV sewer pipe is really similar some of it is a lot cheaper but it is noticeably less your quality. Some of it’s more expensive and better quality but in that range the prices as much or in some cases even more than flexible dust collection house. Some people use dryer hose I’ve never tried it. The biggest reason is because I found some, actually quite a bit, flexible hose for extremely cheap. I’m talking about 4 inch diameter 20 foot hose for like 12 bucks the clear stuff. I got 2 1/2“ x 10‘ clear three different times for six or eight dollars. And then I got black it’s from grizzly that’s not where I got it but that’s where it originally comes from. I want to say it’s Woodstock but it is black flexible hose I think they call it stay put hose it is expandable and collapsible I got 3 inch diameter by 20 foot two separate times for $6.40 or very close to that. And then I got 4 inch diameter by 10 foot 2 times Woodstock and it was somewhere in the $10 neighborhood remember Exactly. This kind is expandable and collapsible but it doesn’t want to stay expanded on its own and it can be quite a pain in the rear to work with. The clear types I got I believe were and I’m thinking they were all power tech and they’re very nice. I would share the source if you don’t already have a clue from the brands and what single source they may all be sold from but there’s not much of a point because of the last couple of months I’ve not seen it be this cheap anymore I think more people are aware of it and snatching it up before the price gets down this cheap. What would happen is it will start at more expensive and then slowly over time it would drop in price until someone purchased it. I think now people are purchasing it when it’s in the mid and upper teen range and the normal price is low 20s mid 20s for the 2 1/2 inch diameter 10 foot. But if you’re a person that could install a permanent solution like PVC should be able to run that hard line super close if not all the way to your machine and get away with none or very very little flexible house the less that stuff the better anyway as the inside of it cuts down airflow
Thanks for good videos. Could you expand on the wire inside pvc pipe - are you loosely running a long unisolated cobber wire inside a length of the pvc pipe?
yeah just run bare copper wire through the pipe, you can buy braided copper wire not insulated. Then connect to something that is earthed eg. metal conduit, metal frame on a machine
I use 3” pvc. The normal white schedule 40 stuff The 4” flexible hose fits right on to the pvc fittings perfectly. Then 2.5” hose fits 1.5” pvc fittings which isn’t as perfect as the 3”/4” size convince But I use 3” pvc runs then almost any type of fitting. 45° elbow or a Y or whatever I need then the flex hose and a clamp.
What your doing here in the video seems to work well also.
john that video is very good. the record dx 4000. does it give enough suction over to the other side of the workshop? i have the dx 5000 which is the same extraction volume, but i wasnt sure if it was good enough for adding to ducting. its a high pressure low volume extractor and gives about 220 cubic feet/min. this is a bit low for a table saw, which needs about at least twice that volume. anyway. how does it work on the lathe hood by the way?
I works great check my latest workshop vlog I go through the system
Idea... probably mentioned before but is there a way of shutting off equipment not needed when you work..... if you're at the drill but the lathe is being vacuumed and not needed.... its a quick way of checking for blockages.... should they occur !! 😀
Great system John. Im ready to do the same in my workshop and I think I’ll go with the same kit as you now simple and effective......no builders yards open up in here in the North 🙄 One thing and I know it might no be very important for a small shop but, could you show how you actually done the earth and bonding ? Simple to a spark, not so simple for amateurs let me 😉 really gaining subs now which is great to see...keep up the great work ! 👌
Can do I had it in the edit but cut it out as the video was getting to long. Its simple enough just run a bare copper wire through the pipe work and connect it to something that is earthed, conduit or metal trunking the metal on a machine will also be a earthing point.
Thanks John, even sounds like something I could do so 😂 I’m pretty handy at most things but wiring for me is defo a weak point.... 👍
Im thinking of going for 100mm pvc ventilation ducting
Hi John,, great video, have you ever used ''Flashing Tape'' i have found many uses for it..
yeah its good stuff
Very well done!!! Now, next video, moving the dust extractor outside in it's own weather proof box with plumbing through the wall. That noise is horrific! Once that is done, installing smart switches at each machine so you can switch the extractor on and off at each machine location as well as activate the blast gate solenoid for each machine. Is there a device that will detect when the machine is drawing current and activate a relay to turn the extractor on and off when the machine turns on and off? I know, it's a small shop and your not a lazy man but even using a shop vac as a dust extractor in my shop I get slightly irritated turning the vac on and off all the time. Thanks for the ideas. This kind of system is right up my alley. How much more would 100MM metal ducting cost where you are? Here it's a tight race between PVC and metal ducting for cost. I would imagine the metal piping would be slightly noisy though compared to the PVC.
It is possible to do what you are saying. You could set it up so each machine switches the dust extractor on and opens the blast gate. Its a bit of work but not complicated. You can get remote switching sockets you just plug them into an existing socket and plug the extractor into that no wiring required just keep the remote in you pocket.
My head hurts...nice and simple...I nearly fell of f my chair lol. Can you do a vid on that lathe table :-)
Nice one John, after watching your last video I decided to buy the Record power DX 1000 the little brother of your model just for budget reasons and my shop is somewhat smaller. Quick question John is the copper pipe running through the entire length of the pipe or just a hole drilled though a small area with the copper just placed inside? Hopefully you understand my question 🤔. Also mate where do you train Jits? My sons has his first Dan Judo and blue Jits and we both train out of Slaughterhouse Hull if you are ever in the area you are welcome to join us. Great channel mate and enjoying the content. Cheers Karl
You run the copper wire through all the pipe work so in one end and out the other then connect it to an earth point . I train in Ganbaru in Waterford. If i'm ever in Hull I'll stop by for a roll.
karl,the dx is a might machine,its what i got. 2 in of them in fact.
If you warm up the pvc pipe ends you can get them to connect with each other, only problem is that they can be difficult to separate iff needs be
I was thinking the same, for the plainer if you put the fittings in hit water for 10 min it will soften the Pvc making it much more flexible and then should return to it's original shape when cooled.
Light a bbq over there. That is the same at my house when I tidy my sheds out I get every thing out sun shine all the way soon as I have it all out wush rain hard every thing wet.
After a little exploring I've found that if youre happy ha ing all the pipe poo brown you can get it even cheaper than the black or grey soil pipe if you just use underground pipe. £18 for 6m of brown vs £24 for black or grey from toolstation in the UK.
I'm OK with poo brown! Haha
Great video.
The brown is not so bad, I can get all the same price so went with black
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed ahh cool. On the subject of DX, I did see a chap that had taken the electronics out of those remote switches and put them into his Dx4000 so that he could turn on each motor independently. Less handy for you given your new dx system but handy for those of us who sometimes only need one on for use with a smaller tool like a sander or tracksaw for example.
Thanks for this John. How has the system performed for you over time?
I have no complaints so far
Wrap tape around the smaller diameter pipe until it comes out to the inside diameter of the larger pipe to make a snug slip on fit.
Hi John, hope you had a great Xmas day, would I be able to do this with 2” drain pipe instead of the 4” foul pipe that you have used, my shop is a smaller one and I want to add a DIY extraction system similar to yours.
Cheers 🍻
Yeah you can, it just won't be good for larger chip extraction and you will need to get a extractor to suit.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed thanks, I think I will go with 4” pipe work going from the table saw to the extractor and use the 2” pipe and flex going to my smaller tools. Time to get building 👌👍
Your not messing about are ya john....nice looking set up....how you finding the noise of the extractor, im looking at building a sound proofing cabinet for the extractor itself
Its not to bad I'm toying with idea of building a little shelter for it outside the shop and just running the pipe through the wall but I use it as a shop vac to so maybe I will do it if I get a bigger system.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed most of my projects are lathe based and maybe its just me but the noise of the extractor and the hum of the air filter box are doing my head in😂😂😂...anyways love the channel john
Hi, thanks for a good video! What is the capacity on your dust extractor? (M3/hour). (Geir - Norway) 🙄
Filtration: 0.5 micron
Capacity: 80 litre
Air Flow: 106 litre/second
Motor Input P1: 2 x 1 kW
Motor Output P2: 0.35 kW x 2
Voltage: 240 volt
Height: 630 mm
Width: 660 mm
Depth: 490 mm
Weight: 20 kg
Good work John, was gonna do something similar with 110mm waste pipe. I see you’ve used a Record power DX 4000, this is out of my price range and was looking to buy maybe the DX1000, in your opinion would this be powerful enough for pipes that will run about 7metres throughout my workshop ?
Hi Cathal, I'm not sure about the DX1000 with pipe work it's a good stand alone vac but might not be strong enough for a piped system.
I got the pipes for free so will test it out just to see what it’s like and sure if it’s no good will resort to a stand alone system, thanks John
Hi! How did you connect your dust extractor to the base you made??
It just sits on it
Pvc can be inserted using a heat gun tosoften the lesser size Joint.
Regarding static on PVC pipe, might coating the interior of the pipe with conductive paint ground the entire system? Conductive paint is used when electroplating non-conductive materials, as when plastic is chrome plated. That ought to make the entire interior of the pipe conductive. Of course, I don't know if the increased safety for the home shop would be worth the cost in money and effort. It depends on the price of the conductive paint, I suppose.
it just would not be practical you wouldn't guarantee continuity though the couplers. It would be easier install metal pipe work.
Easy to say in retrospect, but if you twisted that piece of pipe running down the roof line, you could make it follow the line at the right angle but it would not connect where your down pipe is. It would have to traverse over a bit.
True but then they wouldn't be where I need them
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Kind of what I meant too but great job anyway, love your channel.
Great set up but with the planer thicknesser and lathe that extractor will never be up to the job, I would suggest a HVLP type of extractor for your main system and keep the drum for portable tools.
The barrel's small capacity is its only issue but its easy add a cyclone and large barrel. Its a seriously powerful extractor its designed to work in a piped system, it has more the enough power with the twin motors and it filters below 5 micron.
John McGrath I have the same set up with a home made cyclone hence my comments.
Keep up the great Vids.
Your thumbnail looks like you’re 5 and showing mom what you made her for Mother’s Day. 😆 Another good video, boyo.👍🏼
😁
Could electrical tepe be used instead of the rubner seal
Yeah but you would use a few coils the heavier scotch tape would be better
Heat the pipe up with a paint stripper and it should stretch enough to fit over the end... 🤔
Watching him hand saw the pipe when he has a chop saw in his shop ;-)
as long as you are watching
I saw in the comments of ur last video that u said the ALDI sander is crap what’s wrong with it ?
it broke
O ya I have one and it was slipping and a load of banging but I it was only the mortar that was loose so it still going strong
Is the 6” or 4”
Sometimes you just need to heat a fitting up with a heat gun to get them to fit.
Hi john. Can you show me/everyone who exactly you installed the copper in the pipe? Is it full length inside the pipe or just small section at intervals along the full duct pipe. Post on you instagram if you have it. Thanks!!!! This video has helped me decide on how to install duct for my small home basement shop
Its simple enough just run a wire the full length of the pipe work.
John McGrath thank you.
Daft question maybe but is your 100mm pipe spiral right hand or left hand... might explain why it wouldn't fit 🤔
I tried it both ways
Coffee cans or large soup cans is the “ magic bullet “ for transitions and shop made blast gates. It took me 20 years to figure this out. Do not buy plastic blast gates,make your own.
Again, unbelievably hot. So next project air con, to make it more believable ?
maybe a fridge full of beer
Oh red and black pipes canterbury crusaders rugby fan?
Munster Rugby all the way!
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Hmmmm nah hehe🍻
Tipperary or Limerick ??
Waterford
This video really sucked lol. A really nice system there John, The static issue was interesting actually. Its great to see how your channel has grown over the last few weeks, the effort is paying off.
Cheers
Dust extraction couplings,,,,l feckin nightmare
What is wash up liquid ? You mean soap ?
Washing up liquid or in America I believe its called Dish washing liquid
Unreal
In a sadistic sort of way, sorry, but glad to see someone else finding how incompatible so-called compatible hose and dust extraction adaptors can be. Often better fits between different company products than single company range. Aaagh!