Shimano and Daiwa DON'T want you to know this:The Untold Truth of Baitcaster Spool Weight Explained
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Taking a deep dive into the key mechanics of your baitcasting spool will lead to new perceptions on how to super tune the casting performance and overall fishing experience. In this episode, I take you for a simple physics-math ride, to explain the "Reel Deal" about spool weight from bottom up mechanics. You will understand why spool weight alone is not everything, what are the other factors that could largely impact casting performance, and the reasons why DC brake has modes dedicated to different line type, why Shimano's MGL spool drill holes on the side plate, why Daiwa's SV Boost implements a two stage braking force.
After today's video, I hope to help you be able to tell commercial hypes from actual practical improvements, and enjoy some simple tricks for super tuning the reel.
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Honestly I did not expect this type of "nerdy" vid to receive so many positive feedback. Thank you all! I'd appreciate it if you could help share the vids so that many more tackle lovers like ourselves could see. This will certainly help the channel grow 💪 Also CZcams is not showing all the comments for some reason. I see them on the phone but not here...
We have plenty of unboxing, initial impressions etc. we need more of this kind of videos please. Thank you
You got it!
I’m an engineer, I think you do an amazing and perfect job describing the actual physics involved in reels while also providing the practical impacts on reel selling and use. Outstanding, nobody else is close!
Thanks, glad you like it! I wonder how many fishing lovers are there in the sci/eng/tech community, will be fun to have a nerdy fishing derby or something lol.
Im an Aircraft engineer and unboxings are very subjective. This kind of content is very rare but so valuable. Please do more of these!!! Maybe if you got new gear you could unbox them just because you have it, but if you could go over the features and explain them like this, it would be a fantastic way to get the best of both worlds. Tackle Advisors used to do detailed teardowns of reels and analyses their parts, but he’s disappeared from CZcams. Talking about specs on the box is easy for anyone, but getting into the nerdy engineering aspects is a job fit for few. And you do a fantastic job! Your video on Shimano vs Daiwa was a super fresh insight I had rarely ever seen❤
Thanks for the kind words. I'll try keeping the nerdy part for sure. Tight lines!
Finally, someone who actually understands and is competent putting out information! 😊 I am looking forward to the next video!
Amazing video, so informative. Please keep posting informative videos like this, this is very unique content. There are plenty enough videos on CZcams if we want to watch someone catching fish, but not many that are doing what you are doing. Bravo and keep up the good work 👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you! Will do!
Unboxing videos are a dime a dozen.
This is the juice. Keep 'em coming.
Yes! More of this type of videos, please! Also: your calm way of explaining makes it easy for me to understand 👍🏽
These technical breakdown videos are what we need. Thanks.
Awesome,really enjoyed how you were able to explain the science behind it all. Keep up the great work.
Luv the extra tech details. Not alot of English channels with such informative detail in order to understand what makes something actually worth investing in. Look forward to next episode
Great video! I liked it so much because I am a retired engineer. I hope others like it. More of this technical analysis would be fine with me. Thank you for the video.
Awesome sir! I'll keep it coming.
An outstanding video. It helps me understand the seemingly anomalous results of reel shootouts in which reels with heavier spool weights outperform lighter spooled competitors. Keep up the great work!
I like this vid... different from the hundreds of other YT vids out there... keep em coming... i wonder if different lines absorb water differently and how that affects the weight?
Great point! I have not tested yet. By thinking alone, I believe mono and braided line tend to absorb water, FC is the least. Braided line is a little different, the coating and the way it was weaved together would likely have an impact on this. There are water caught on line and water absorbed into the line material, during casting, a lot of the water "caught on line" are thrown out due to centrifugal impact. I can do a simple weight test buy wiping off the superficial water of the line and then weigh the spool and compare. That will be quite interesting for another episode!
Late to the party as I ran into this vid by pure luck. Congratulations and thank you for this excellent material. Looking forward to the future presentations. Death to unboxing, Einstein forever!
Wow!!! No matter how hard it may be for some anglers to follow every engineering variable in this video, you still come out understanding SO much more about all of the variables involved in the modern reel spools... I LOVE IT!!!! Give me more!!! ❤
Fishing season started in the Northeast of the States...I'll soon start to do vid editing on the boat lol Glad you like it. Tight lines!
@@BassniperEng I'm in Southern Québec and in the same situation. Soon! 🎣
WOW! A lot to think about when it comes to my reels. 🤔 Thank you for showing me how different line and how much line on a spool can effect the rotation of the spool.
As someone who doesn’t understand math at all when the alphabet gets involved, THANK YOU for explaining it in a way that I can understand! I don’t understand why your channel doesn’t have a million subscribers!
This is further proof of what I always say. Most fishing gear and baits are designed to “catch fishermen” more so than to catch fish.
I just started this channel not long ago and I am lazy (aka always fishing so no time...). Anyway, agree with the fisherman catcher. If no one uses a bait or a piece of tackle, it will never be a great popular one...
@@BassniperEng l’m loving what I see so far. Can’t wait to see where your channel goes from here. Just don’t let it cut into your fishing too much. 🤣
I have been looking for this channel for a long time. Thank you so much for your work sir
Glad you like it 🎣
This is great! Very different perspective from other channels
Very interesting and well explained. Thumbs up!!
Please do more tech videos like this one! I loved it and I want to see more. Also, please provide links to special JDM aftermarket custom parts that you talk about as we have trouble finding them here in the US. I subscribed and I look forward to your next tech video. Thanks!
Will do. Here is the Japanese website I use: www.hedgehog-studio.co.jp I am not associated with them by any means, just like their service. Very fast shipping (2 days to east coast where I am at). Problem is they provide too many choices...from custom parts to grease/oil to specialty tools. Frankly I need to stay away from that site lol Enjoy 🐟
I like the math and physics explanations as it relates to bait-casting reels!!! Well done!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
much needed content. well done!
This was extremely helpful. Knowing the physics will definitely change how I set up my reels and also wether i buy deep or shallow spools depending on desired application
Glad it was helpful!
I am not engineer, but i liked your video, because i like to know the way how world is working, escpecially my world. I also tune my baitcasters by myself, sometimes drilling them and cutting part of plastic holder, like i did with metanium 13
Weight reduction was about 3 or 5 gramms, helped with casting distance and stability of baits under 10rg
Our world is fishy lol 🐟🐟🐟
I loved that you broke it down. so we could get a better idea of how to improve castability With the different types of lines. It was very helpful. I also agree with some other comments. There is enough unboxing and reaction videos. We need more info like this on reels in my opinion.
You're so welcome! And thanks for the feedback. I'm glad I asked, otherwise I would never thought folks have had enough unboxing vids lol
Very informative. Thank you so much.
Waited and waited for the diameter part of the vid. We need it!
Great video. Keep up the good work
Love Science Bass Gear Videos. Thank You So Much.
The technical side of things are much more important to me than unboxing videos. Technical that you dont need to be a rocket scientist to understand, this video was pushing that...ha ha
The amount of reels and technology on the market in 2024 is very confusing for most people.
- How do you choose what's best in a price range?
- Are certain features really doing anything?
- Can the average angler fish successfully with a reel under $50USD? $100USD? $200USD?
- Are reels made in same factory? Like the Doyo plant?
- What rods are actually as spec'd, moderate action is fast action from one to another?
Just a few things to consider.
Thanks for the feedback. These are all great questions.
Q1: subject to opinions so everyone has his/her own answer.
Q2: Yes, but a lot of them provides marginal improvements, which I will explain in future videos.
Q3: big brands $100 reels definitely yes! For instance the SLX and SLX MGL series, IMO is close to the Core Mg series sold a decade ago at $350 at that time. They recycle techs and molds etc.
Q4: depend on brand. There are all of a sudden a lot of brands came out with reels, brands that had no business in fishing reel. This is not something you can just build the manufacture infrastructure over night and have a dozen models on the market the next day. So...
Q5: Had a vid posted a year ago on my other channel, I used overlay vid editing to show what action and power is really about. I'll try to redo an English version.
@BassniperEng I was just trying to throw ideas your way. I'm in a decent place with my reels, I'm always open to learn more though.
The rod question is due to so many companies not following any real standard. I can match specs between 2 rods, action and power, and the spec for line and lure weight is vastly different. I have a 7'8 rod good for 1/2 - 5oz lures, that with same power, action and length in another company that can't go over 1.5oz lure.
Super nice Video already waiting for the next one about casting Physiks ❤❤❤
Simply excellent! 👍
Thank you for sharing this knowledge and allowing me to have a reason (excuse) to tell my wife that I need to purchase more fishing reels, braided/fluoro lines and lures to conduct a scientific experiment to confirm the correlation between rotational and linear Moment of Inertia.
haha!!! That serves one of my purpose lol money cannot buy happiness, but can buy a lot fishing tackle, which is essentially the same thing.
YES !!!!
A channel and a person who knows what he is talking about and nit some non-sense blah blah. Leave the unboxings to the rest. Please continue to post stuff like this more scientific facts and numbers and not myths like the reat do. Also I like to hear your thoughts on line guides (round vs round tapered vs oval vs TWS. Angular friction and casting distances !!
Fish ON !!!
I really enjoyed the video ! Thank you !
👍🏻👍🏻...this is what kind of video we need...very informative even thou i can't do so much physics
I have a question: should I fill a Daiwa SV spool WITH backing line (braid) and only then wind very thin braid (the diameter is larger, the starting power is lower / the spool weight is higher)?
Or: should I wind the fine braid directly (the diameter is smaller, the starting power is higher / the spool weight is lower)? 🤔
Very good video!!! More of this!
When talking about different line type and its impact on spool inertia, what really matters is the density. Same type of material generally have same (or very similar) density. When using braided line, different diameter might result in some packing difference (i.e. thinner the braided line the tighter it usually packs onto the spool, thus resulting in slightly higher density than using larger diameter braid), but the weight difference caused by this type of packing is usually small, plus, when putting backing on deeper spools for braided line, usually we want to pack it tight anyways otherwise the thin braided line likes to dig into the spool. So I personally would just go ahead and use straight thin braided line, if I have to. That being said, when using very thin braided line, shallow spool is handy because it avoids the thick "backing" layers and thus avoids the digging issue. Hope this helps.
@@BassniperEng Big thanx for Your answer! Maybe I described it wrong (I'm from Germany, so my english isn't that good ;-).
With diameter I meant the diameter of the spool including the line - having a nearly completely filled spool (with backing braid) or a spool with just 100 metres of thin braid (and therefore a small diameter of the spool including the thin braid). With the smaller diameter »spool/thin braid« the line is harder to be pulled out (started to be pulled out) because of the smaller lever. But the overall weight (spool / thin braid) is lesser than using the same spool with backing line and filled to the top. There the lever is longer and therefore the line can be started easier - but the overall weight of the spool + backing line + thin line are higher.
So what is better for casting (with / or without backing line)? 🤔
Got it. Yes the diameter part will be discussed in the next video. It is a tricky one, for the two spools you are comparing, with the increment of diameter comes the weight as well. I'll do more detail in the next video but essentially the casting process is an energy transfer process, where the lure's initial kinetic energy and the rod's potential energy from bending is transferred into lure's new kinetic energy and the spool's rotational kinetic energy and heat caused by all the frictions etc. What we fisherman really care about is the lure's new kinetic energy (if say we want to achieve longer casts), the less energy lost on the spool and friction, the better. In the case of casting super aerodynamic (very low air resistance) lure using super thin braided line (low friction with guides and reel's level wind), an equation can be derived based on the conservation of energy. In that equation, the mass of the spool, the relative radius difference due to different amount of line, and lure weight are all present to determine the residual kinetic energy in the lure after the spool reaches the same linear velocity as the lure. It is a complicated relation and needs actual number to solve, but, an easier way is, to test, which is what I am going to do in the next video.
🙏@@BassniperEng
Excellent video!
Awesome video and explanation! Looking forward to learning the intricacies of magnetic braking systems! Also, love the Einstein character 😆.
Awesome, thank you bro! Yes I will do an in-depth vid for magnetic brake, and centrifugal.
@@BassniperEng I look forward to them! I think most folks have a general understanding of why and how spools and braking systems work but your in depth style and explanation is very straight forward and easy to digest. Keep up the great content! Cheers my friend!
Love the technical explanation, thank you!
Thanks for sharing this info. Looking forward fo next videos.
This is excelent!
I love these kind of videos on factors contributing to long casts! The einstein part is very funny too hahaha
I don't know your name but I want to thank you for your content. I have a older Metanium DC how does the line settings dail work? My Metanium has the 3 position on the outside.
I'm a C student and I understood your physics lesson. Keep putting out content you will find your niche. Your Einstein was great. You are reaching a multi ethnic audience so the algorithm likes your content. You are blessed.
Thank you sir! No you might be a C student but only because physics was not taught in the context of fishing :-) In general, F mode (for fluorocarbon) puts out the most braking force (or the brake works more time during the cast), N (monofilament, nylon line) second, P (PE, braided) the least. When using full capacity of spool (full spool of same line) it is recommended to choose the modes based on line type, if using backing for fluorocarbon or half spool, then F mode could sometimes be too much, and it is ok to use other modes. Unfortunately DC brakes do not fully librate our thumbs, so the finger brake is still needed here and there.
Thank you for the information 👍🏼🔥🔥🔥
impressive video.
Excellent analusis and very helpful
If we watch John Daly hit a golf ball 300 yards it's only in the air for 7 or 8 seconds. If anyone could cast a bait that far it wouldn't spend any longer in the air. So any reel that runs for more than 4 or 5 seconds on its own is going to need manual breaking at some point to prevent an over run.
Great video!
How do you feel about the Metanium DC over the Scorpion DC? Which one would you prefer and why? Thank you.
What kind of fishing are you planning to use these reels? The 24 Met DC comes with some more "responsive" or accurate DC brake, plus the external dial for main modes and MGLIII spool. And the spool is slightly smaller than Scorpion, narrower too. I'd expect the casting performance of Met DC to be quite good, and should suit low weight lure. The biggest practical part of the DC for me is to be able to cast directly into the wind. If I was to choose, I'd go Scorpion DC if I throw relatively heavy stuff more often, Metanium DC if going after things less than 1/4 oz more often. Metanium does weight about 1.5 oz less than Scorpion.
This reel is mainly for bank pond/lake bass fishing.
What I should have asked was about the 15 Met DC compared to the 22 SLX DC XT. I watch a lot of fishing videos and I must say, you have my respect on reviews. Thank you so much for your knowledge.
When I was a kid I really enjoyed fishing with my pocket fishermen.
The technical stuff helps us heeps to diside wot to use and when .but some fishing would be good to if you could show how it works out water .😊
Thanks for the interesting video. Subscribed to your channel 🤙.
Thanks for the support!
Hi, we need more videos like this to hold American content creators accountable for the BS they spread. There are so many reel review channels with people who just repeat facts that they heard somewhere that aren’t even true. Then, you see another channel start repeating those same false facts and soon everyone is saying it and none of them know they’re wrong. It’s super cringey to see. Thank you for giving the actual physics behind it to make it clearer. I’ve almost pulled my hair out many times hearing idiot CZcamsrs prove how ignorant they are by trying to explain something that’s totally wrong.
LOL I'll keep making these vids.
Thank you so much. Really interesting!!!!!
Thanks for the video.
Excellent!
This is awesome n thx for sharing.
NO Unboxings 😬
YES Technical Explanations 😃
ANOTHER subscriber added 😎 #180
haha thanks for sub, and the feedback. I did not expect folks are having enough unboxing vids lol
Thank you so much.
does that mean a littler spool will cast better because i have two daiwa tatula elite 100 size casting reel and just put some litter spool in them i think the shock daiwa tatula elite spool weighta about 14.1 gram with out and the spool that i put in are from amzon and they weight about 11.3 without line and the Line capacity on the aftermarket spool are P.E 1.5-130m one i will put on 10 lbs braid and the other 30 lbs braid so will there be any benefits
Reduce the total weight of spool generally helps with casting performance, but again the inertia is also dependent on the mass distribution (or effective radius k), the mass distribution of the spool is the one in a black box, will need to test and find out. I was not aware that amazon sells spools. Gonna take a look. Thanks for the heads up.
The same physical laws apply to: car wheels/rims!
Yes they are!
這集聽得有點吃力😂
PS：愛因斯坦很讚 哈哈
還是需要搞怪一下，實在忍不住🤣
對了，中文版的3年前在大漁上發過，比較長，一共三個部分沒有分開，結果就講了將近1小時。
@@BassniperEng英文不好 哈哈
“你懂我的芯”那集我看了應該有至少五次以上😂
Thankyou for the information. Please, NO unboxing videos
Mass will always be a factor by the larger margin. It is easier to make a spool light vs. The perfect geometric shape spool. But both are important for optimum performance