Guilloche - The Straight-Line Engine #1 - Introducing The SLE
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Hi Folks,
There has been some interest in the Guilloché aspect of the next Patron Series project, so I thought I'd shoot a video to give you a good look at the Straight-Line Engine in action. No narration, just a chill-out sort of thing, and I will go through the process of using it in detail once I've completed the project prototypes I am working on at present. The plate material is fine silver, the pattern is a basketweave, and the component is the inner dial insert for the indicator project.
Do please enjoy!
Cheers,
Chris.
Also, be sure to check out this fantastic video of Jochen Benzinger (www.jochenbenzinger.de) describing and using both the Straight-Line and Rose Engines to create a watch dial for Yvo Staudt: • Hand Guilloche; how a ... - Come for the #Guilloche, stay for the accordion!
And, for an in depth #Guilloché masterclass on the Straight-Line and Rose engines, be sure to check out the peerless series from Roger Smith:
• Part 1 of 4 - Straight...
• Part 1 of 5 - Rose Eng...
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Hi Folks,
There has been some interest in the engine turning aspect of the next Patron Series project, so I thought I'd shoot a video to give you a good look at the machine in action. No narration, just a chill-out sort of thing, and I will go through the process of using it in detail once I've completed the project prototypes I am working on at present. The plate material is fine silver, the pattern is a basketweave, and the component is the inner dial insert for the indicator project.
Do please enjoy!
Cheers,
Chris.
Also, be sure to check out this fantastic video of Jochen Benzinger (www.jochenbenzinger.de) describing and using both the Straight Line and Rose Engines to create a watch dial for Yvo Staudt: czcams.com/video/SFfLWvwN1Bk/video.html - Come for the Guilloche, stay for the accordion!
And, for an in depth masterclass on the Straight Line and Rose engines, be sure to check out the peerless series from Roger Smith:
czcams.com/video/LBiiDpexmA8/video.html
czcams.com/video/MS_G8Vm1gyQ/video.html
Doesn’t matter that I’ve already seen it on Patreon, I could watch this machine work all day. It looks quite therapeutic!
Did you finish the Antikythera machine? Probably the best series I have ever seen on YT!
Fascinating machine, thanks for posting. Have you seen the video of George Daniels using his rose lathe?
Throw that garbage out, get to real work - finish Antikythera mechanism :D
I enjoyed very much, that's one hell of a machine. Must watch again to figure out how it works...
Almost hypnotic. Welcome back Chris, we missed you.
A great reminder that before there was CNC and lasers, there was a vast amount of ingenuity to solve engineering problems. Love it.
this implies the advent of cnc and lasers didnt require vast amounts of ingenuity. typical boomer
@@kalilay You missed the point. Of course it took some serious skills to create lasers and CNC (I’ve designed and built both for my home workshop). But to solve complex problems without all of today’s technologies was an impressive feat, I’m sure you will agree.
@@aam50 bAcK iN mY dAy wE dIDnT hAvE cAlCuLaToRs
Ok boomer
@@kalilay Aren't you a bit too old yourself to be whining about "boomers" like a typical skinny jeans wearing millennial?
@@kalilayoh really- it depends on when you are born…
Sometimes I am reminded of my heritage and why Britain was once Great.
That is an awesome machine! I'm glad your pet ants will finally have a non-slip surface to work on 🤣🤣 but seriously, a very cool addition to the shop!
And than you'll hear from your Formicarium: "Click out of one, 2, 3, 4 and open"
@@MermaidSystem Why am I not surprised to find a LPL reference here. 😁🤘
@@cycoholic what is this? A work surface for ants?
A Zoolander reference here
Do you realize there are very real people out there who suffer everyday from depression and anxiety and when you post a video like this they can get some relief? I’m sitting here with a glass of whiskey feeling like life is going to be alright just because of this video and I have no clue WHY it’s making me feel this way but it is. Thank you Chris.
I’m pleased to say I am not depressed - but I still find this very therapeutic and relaxing.
I feel the same way. It's 5am and I'm still up drinkin. The video's on this channel are amazingly peaceful. Often i just sit and listen. I've watched the antikythera series multiple times in awe.
One must give up everything it thinks it knows and relearn from a new perspective not given to the demands of the world, to be free of depression.
-From One who has been there
Men must create; produce; accomplish; conquer to be happy.
I'm happy that it helps you💞💞
What a remarkable machine ! Never seen such a thing before. I lived in Harborne for several years; it's within a mile or so of the Birmingham Jewellery Quarter, so I guess that makes sense. Thanks for showing it to us Chris.
You should check out Roger Smith on CZcams. A watch maker from the Isle of man.
My jaw dropped when I saw you take it off the machine and I realized how small it actually was. Incredible work!
Total respect to the draughtsmen who drew up the detail drawings for these machines, it would have been one hell of a long contract at hopefully top rate of pay, proper draffies are so under rated.
That turned out amazingly beautiful, I am so fascinated with very old machines like that, the inventiveness and ingenuity is really incredible, especially when almost every component was custom made, and the craftsmanship and artistic design that they put into things back then is absolutely beautiful, they really took pride in their work, I’m really glad you showed this machine as it’s new to me and very interesting, I’ve been looking forward to more videos, thanks
In some ways, they was much smarter than we are today, we just tell a computer that tells a bunch of linear and rotary engines how to work in conjunction with each other, here You must tackle all obstacles with gears and levers and springs and...Just love it.
@@dmg4415 just a different skillset. They had to know how to do everything themselves whereas nowadays we share our knowledge, but due to that we can learn a lot more about our craft.
@@sixstringedthing maybe, but im pretty sure theyd grasp the idea of a machine doing its own work. id assume theyd be more thrilled by its accuracy actually.
@@dmg4415 On absolutely! 100% right, I think they were much smarter than we are today, especially during that machines era when they were still inventing new machines and perfecting the ones the ones they already made and they incorporated an artistic appeal into everything they made, and to do all calculations without computers or even calculators, they spent their time way different though, reading and thinking instead of entertainment, very great minds in those times...
I have always felt that all the old metal working machines are the very embodiment of the saying "They don't make them like they used too"
This is like ASMR fuel... Between the ratchetting dial and the soft rhythmic click/taps...
I thought I’d met every workshop machine there is until now. Wow.
i've missed this, where my mind is literally blown away at how insanely beautiful something can be made and the beauty is only increased when you look and see the hard work that goes into making it.
They don't make em like this anymore. This machine has a soul. The operator would have to be a real craftsman. Outstanding quality of work pieces.
Victorian era ornamental turning engines and guilloche machines came from the period where human intelligence peaked. These machines are fantastic works of engineering achievement and creative thinking.
Mechanical geniuses from the past, so many, so underrated!....
I'm on my way.
This feels like a purchase you don't tell the wife about 😅
Looks to me like it's in the house rather than the workshop, so I don't think there's any hiding that one
This is what happens when your milling machine meets your wife's sewing machine.
@@lindsaybrown7357 oh my goodness yes! I was trying to figure out what the reciprocating motion reminded me of thank you!
@@lindsaybrown7357 Truer than many think. The mechanism that programs the fancy stitches on older, mechanical sewing machine-- the cam stack-- looks EXACTLY like the cam stack seen here, only smaller.
Yeah, if your wife keeps your balls in a tiny jar in her purse. What kind of a "man" buys something, but then has to hide it from his wife? Sounds like a really healthy relationship. I'm sure you and her BF get along great.
If you’ve ever wondered how some watches can cost $15,000 or more, this is it. The craftsmanship is absolutely amazing
When the machine itself is a work of art, producing things even more beautiful than itself. Now the skill to run it, well that is on an extreme level!
This is by far the fanciest dial indicator I've ever seen.
Who are the 325 people who can "dislike" this?
Is it envy, or are they the 325 people who have no clue, Or just cant find a cool tool like this.
Ive worked with lots of these machines in my 40 yrs of being a jeweler. so many factory jewelry companies have folded and a lot of incredible tools have gone to scrap...because nobody knew how to use them.
Very happy to see you saving the knowledge.
love your channel
I was thinkin, as he pulled it out of the lathe, "that looks like a watch dial" then sure enough it was! Very nice Chris!
I've often wondered how patterns like that were made, I just assumed they where stamped or pressed out or even rolled using a tool like a knurling tool, I never would have guessed there was a machine to cut them out like that !
You can imitate these patterns with stamps, presses, or CNC mills : that's how they make the "cheap stuff". But you will never get the same sharpness and shininess. A press needs shallow angles and rounded features, a CNC mill makes thousands of minuscule cups per inches, and as many tiny scratches. A sharp engraving tool, making a single cut, and a single shaving, is the only way to get that result :)
@@Yakeru35 Which can, with a little clever programming (and a locked spindle!), be done with a CNC machine. But will never be as cool as the manual method.
@@UncleKennysPlace Ha yes, which is why I said CNC mill, Implying a rotating bit in a mill :P ! With a locked spindle, it's almost a CNC engraver :D I have never seen a CNC engraver but I don't see why the result couldn't be great !
@@Yakeru35 there's plenty of engraving done with "drag" bits on CNC mills that I think could give clean cuts for something like this.
@@cavemaneca interesting ! Empirically, I think a drag bit would have trouble to do that kind of pattern, it looks like the key here is that the engraving bit stays put, while the plate moves, so, like a calligrapher with a wide tip, the width of the cut varies depending on the direction. A drag bit would imitate hand engraved curves very well, but to imitate accurately these streight line engines, and other machines a guillocher, I think you would need an extra axis to orient the engraving bit.
The return of clickspring
You’ve been missed
Thing that looks like a clock isn't a clock just interested in the jeweling. then I see the machine and start asking questions and slowly the questions are answered throughout the video without a single word being spoken. Magnifico
Yeah, that was exactly how it hit me too.
Why do we find this so soothing? Not sure, but it's very relaxing. Thanks for sharing.
Very Nice! That’s something you don’t see everyday! Thanks!
thats interesting, ive always thought that quilt pattern was formed with a patterned roller like knurling
The pattern would have to be cut into the rolling tool to do it that way. So you'd still have to cut it somehow.
Thos wpuld be the tool that made the tool
Make a roller or stamp with this thing them that is put into the factory or production line
One second in and I feel like I've been waiting for this for 5000 years.
My lord, that is truly a work of art, skilled craftsmanship...and, using machinery from another century.
I love this channel..!!
As usual with clickspring videos, the wow factor comes with the realization of the actual size of the work...
I've been fascinated with engine turning since seeing the Spirit of St. Louis as a teenager. The ingenuity and precision of this machine is amazing!
That Engine Turning term gets misused sometimes. Engine Turning such as used on the cowl of the Spirit of St. Louis is done in a completely different way than what was shown in this video. It's aluminum cowl would have been mirror polished first, then fine abrasive powder is evenly applied to either a rotating disk or to the aluminum. That rotating disk is then applied to the aluminum using as closely as possible the same down feed pressure and amount of time for each circular pattern. Each circle is then stepped over the last by half or less depending on the pattern that's wanted. It sort of gives a fish scale effect as the light reflects off each one. Passable work can be done at home with a bit of practice using not much more than a simple drill press, a wooden dowel, fine valve grinding paste and using something as simple as graph paper to get the spacing correct or at least even enough to the human eye. Engine Turning is the correct term for that aircraft cowl, this video is about guilloche or straight line pattern work.
What an amazing piece of machinery. Fantastic,. Thank you so much for sharing,. As an engineer for thirty years I've never heard of, yet seen such a thing. Thank Chris,. And Hello from little New Zealand
Nothing like a video from Chris while having my morning coffee. Thanks Chris!
Cheers mate!
I've watched all your videos and all I can say is you have the patience of a saint.
When I see things like this that herald from the past it makes me think sometimes we are mostly going backwards into the future.
HE IS BACK FROM THE DEAD FOR REAL THIS TIME OMG! Upvote if you missed this content!
I have no idea what's going on but the thing is fascinating in a steampunk sort of way.
Is it me or does that machine look every bit as mysterious and fascinating as the Antikythera device?.
What a brilliant machine, with such wonderful craftsmanship. Fascinating stuff Chris
Theres some old farming equipment in my local museum, they have a sign on it asking for any information about what it is or does. Its not even 200 years old and its forgotten (it looks like some kind of bailer, about the size of a desk, probably has an important part missing that would make it obvious), Im trying to buy a motorcycle spoke threader, all the shops threw theirs in the scrap metal pile at least 10 years ago, no one on earth makes them, you just have to buy precut spokes. So many interesting machines like that must have been scrapped just to get it out of the way
What a beautiful machine. Cant imagine trying the make an indicator, that's some amazing skill.
Being a night owl pays off!
This is the pinnacle of satisfying videos. Thanks for this.
Thanks for tuning in :)
I always feel so at peace after watching these.
An amazing piece of machinery! So glad it has ended up in your hands, one who will use it to it’s full potential 🙂
The Rolex of dial indicators right there. Id love to do that to all of my measurement tools haha excellent work
I don't think Rolex makes dials as fancy as this one, actually
... and it's a dial indicator face. Wow. Gorgeous and effortless. Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Those old tools show so much creativity and thought. The maker spent countless hours tuning and refining the function until it was simple and strong. That is elegance in a physical object. Thank you for showing this, and keeping it out of the razor blade factory. I always wonder how long it took to develop the machine then the castings... How many sleepless hours did one spend, dreaming this up.... Incredible. Pre-cnc and computer. Such a wonder.....
The thing that really impresses me is the confidence to spend so much time on a detail like, knowing there is a bunch of machining that needs to be done afterwards... one slip up and you need to start again!
Yeah.. don't sweat it. The worst that can happen is that you lose 7 hours of work. No biggie.. :P
Your videos, more than any other CZcamsr, make my freakin day man!! Your videos are always so fascinating, entertaining, informative and downright satisfying to watch!!
Stunning. 8.5 minutes that puts to shame everything that Hollywood expels from their bowels.
One of the highlights of my week when I realised I have missed two of your new videos so I can binge them back to back! 😀
What an amazing, beautiful machine! I can't even think of a use for it, and I want one!
And you're holding out on us, Chris. From what I could see, this machine can be set for engraving other kinds of patterns too!
I'll take "things I didn't know existed" for 200, Alex
I'll take "things I didn't know existed" for 200, MatPat (FIFY)
I miss these long videos.
Thank you for sharing once again.
Oooooh!
What a fantastic machine !
The amount of ingenuity, skill & know-how that went into inventions like these ...
Absolutely incredible 👌
Need a video detailing how this machine works though, it looks fascination, I love that it's manpowered aswell
Roger Smith did a great series on straight engine turning: czcams.com/video/LBiiDpexmA8/video.html
It looks semi man powered and the weights and gravity ensure a smooth and continuous work movement. It seems that whatever pattern you require means changing the position of the follower to a number of different pre determined pattern dies which are followed by a type of cam that provides the intricate movements for the tool on the workpiece. It's kind of a vertical shaper, but the tool/work moves in two planes instead of one.
I would imagine that excess wear between the cam and pattern dies could result in poor quality engravings. looks like you need to keep it in a good state of repair and to find one in this condition means it has been well looked after.
Proviso: I may be completely wrong, as I have never worked in the watch making or jewellery sector, however engineering is my bag baby.
@@nickmaclachlan5178 Yeah the tool doesn't move during a cut, just the workpiece. The vertical motion is continuous, while the horizontal motion is driven by the cam. After each pass you index the height of the cam rack and the horizontal position of the tool. A combination of the cam pattern and the offset increments on each pass form the patterns.
So this is basically the pantograph version of a shaper? That's cool
My mind just stops, and I’m present when watching your videos. Thanks for the down time.
To think that this machine was born from an idea in somebody's head, some people are just amazing!
This is mesmerizing!
Chris, as always, you’ve Mae another masterpiece of craftsmanship and videography. This is simply stunning!
Ever see something that puts your jaw on the floor? I have today... this is astounding. What a piece of precision engineering.
That is a beautiful dial caliper gauge face. Making tools look like jewelry. Great job and always glad to see a new clickspring video.
For those who don't understand: this is a machine used by wizards for their wizard business.
That was wonderful. I’ve seen engine turning before and always been fascinated by it. First thought it was a clock face but the resulting clock gauge (I was right wasn’t I?) was beautifully OTT. Regards
Appears to be based on a metal shaper. Very cool. Thank You Chris
This machine is worth it's weight in gold.
There's a YT video of R W Smith engraving a watch dial with the same or nearly identical machine and the same basket weave pattern. Smith was George Daniel's apprentice and inherited all his machines. Smith said it took him two years to use it to the same quality standards Daniels demanded. If that's the case, it explains Chris' absence from CZcams for the past year and more.
The RW Smith playlist is here, also covers rose engine: czcams.com/play/PLB9WSi5JwX_vArULSJa8FaFsNHoLy2Nxd.html
I love those videos by R.W. Smith.. I've also watched the George Daniels documentary, which I highly recommend for hobby horologists..
Seems like a Shaper had a strange lovechild with a Sewing machine
She is a beautiful machine and an amazing hand that guides her. Thanks for letting us look over your shoulder.
He hath returned, blessing the algorithm with magnificent manufacturing. Rejoice brothers, rejoice and watch in wonder.
Me looking at the first movement of the machine: "Oh nice, he got a vertical planer, didn't know they existed"
Oh boy I was wrong.
What a machine!
Edit: my bad, I meant shaper, not planer.
Yup oh neat a jewelers shaper. Ohhh way more neat that just a shaper
In a planer, the work moves, rather than the cutter, so this IS a planer, IMO.
Me after seeing first scratch pass: what's special with a zigzag line?
After the subsequent passes: whoah! 0.0
This man works like he had thousands of years at his disposal, and only perfection in mind.
Well said…
When your finger comes into frame and the scale can be seen, that's the "whoa" moment. Beautiful work.
That machine looks like it is tedious to use. The engineering behind its design and operation are awesome inspiring.
Not only tedious, but it requires complete concentration. To make the pattern he needs to turn the feed wheel a certain distance after every pass. Clockwise for five passes, then counterclockwise for five passes, then clockwise for five passes, over and over for the hour or more that it takes to finish the piece. And if he ever misses a count and turns the wheel the wrong direction, the piece is ruined and he has to start over. There's no fixing mistakes.
I don’t think you could use the word tedious. It’s fascinating.
@@flyerphil7708 It's fascinating for the first 30 minutes or so. After that it's push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust clockwise(1), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust clockwise(2), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust clockwise(3), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust clockwise(4), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust clockwise(5), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust counterclockwise(1), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust counterclockwise(2), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust counterclockwise(3), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust counterclockwise(4), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, push in with perfect pressure, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, pull back, adjust counterclockwise(5), advance, crankcrankcrankcrankcrankcrank, for hours on end.
@@TitoRigatoni you must be mad writing all that, which no one will read.😂
@@flyerphil7708 lol, ctrl-c & ctrl-V man. ain't nobody got time to type all that 😀 It does illustrate how tedious this job would get though.
This title is 100% click bait : "straight line" and it makes wave form engravings ! Kidding, very peculiar machine, fingers crossed for more videos
More like Clickspring bait, am I right?
I was gonna say, "You call that a straight line? smh."
I just discovered this channel today.This video stopped me in my tracks.
Impressive.
Sitting in bet at 3am with the flu. Miserable. This was medicine for a few minutes. Thank you my friend.
What music genre do you play in the background? Do you have a playlist?
"What is this? Industrial diamond plate for ants!?"
Chris, I think I speak for just about everyone here when I say, Don't ever leave us again.
Only you can put out a video carving a basketweave pattern into a piece of silver and it be absolutely mesmerizing. That's God level craftsmanship.
Good lord that is beautiful. I wish I could see it in person.
I wish the video explained how it worked though, besides of showing some sweet b-roll )
The way that tool bites into the silver plate as it makes each traverse, reveals one of the most exquisite combinations of human touch and technical precision that I am aware of. These line engines are amazing machines. Well done Clickspring - this is next level. Tnx. Does a tourbillon fit in that dial? Or a moon-phase? Just asking.
It looks to be a depth indicator dial, not a watch.
@@CristiNeagu Yes, but does this depth gauge have a tourbillion?
@@Md2802 I was gonna say no, but knowing Clickspring... who knows?
The skilled videography helps with that
@@CristiNeagu but everything he builds is like a watch
This is ASMR for the tinkerer. I can't remember if I took a breathe during the entire video. I assume I did because I'm still alive. I could watch stuff like this non-stop. Excellent work, again, Chris.
Pure magic and ingenuity. I guess it's more ingenuity, but it looks like magic. Thank you for sharing your tools with us.
i thought it was aluminum at first, then I was like must be a precious metal of he’s saving the off cuts like that. Amazing machine!
Yeah, probably silver if I had to guess. Aluminum offcuts wouldn't be worth saving
Hi. What is the music from 07:00 and onwards? I have 1000 km drive ahead of me and need something in the background. It's not on Shazam and finding a specific song on Epidemic or Soundcloud is impossible. Thanks.
Did if you find out?
You still have those incredible camera and editing skills. Thanks. Really needed that!
That is one of the most gorgeous parts I’ve ever seen made.
That's an awesome machine! Do you maybe know from what year it's from? I'd like to know how old of a technology beast is this.
Every other machining channel - "I got a new-to-me shaper/surface grinder, here's half a dozen videos about shapers/surface grinders"
Chris - "I got something different, much more unique, and far more interesting, have 8 minutes of just watching it do its thing"
You guys love to be elitist pricks huh
@@tylergarza8695 No, not at all. It's a phase almost all machinig channels go through, they get a surface grinder or a shaper (or both!) and make some videos about it. Like successful guitarist channels, they all get a signature guitar from a small to medium-sized guitar company and make a bunch of videos about that.
Chris went way outside the box, because his focus has always been slightly different.
The world is healing. Chris has returned.
Never have I seen a machine that looks so endlessly fun yet entirely frustrating to operate. Ive got to have one in my life!
Does a machine like this come with a manual? Feels like the kind of thing you could set wrong and bend somthing vital and irreplacable
I watched a video on the related ‘rose engine’ engraving machine, from a high end watchmaker’s workshop. They reckoned it could take 6 months to become proficient in it’s use
Such a complicated engineering endeavour to produce such a simple design, I don't buy it.
I reckon this is really a new, improved control device for dialling in the settings on ToT's time machine. The wiggle pattern it creates was just an added bonus 🤣😂🤣
Speaking of ToT where the hell is he? Seems he must have been caught in a time loop and is patiently waiting to pop out somewhere in CZcams universe.
@@steviebee1989 He lost his father-in-law so took a break. He posted on his community page here - czcams.com/users/ThisOldTonycommunity
The amount of patience that this guy has is unbelievable.
Very few people in the world can operate a Rose Machine and understand all its functions. Amazing work.