The untold story of Jewish Christian; Ebionites & Nazarenes
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2019
- Jewish Christians, as faithful religious Jews, "regarded their movement as an affirmation of every aspect of contemporary Judaism, with the addition of one extra belief that Jesus was the Messiah.
Jewish Christians were the original members of the Jewish movement that later became Christianity.
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Seems like the Ebionites were legit followers of Jesus
They were the Jerusalem Church under James the Just. The Book of Acts AND Paul tells us James was the head of the church. Peter is claimed as the first BUT that is incorrect and James was killed before Peter was. So at best leadership passed from James to Peter, at best. The Ebionites continued on as James taught and were labelled Heretics by the Apostolic Father's AND Eusibius as well
No they reject the virgin birth. Nazarene were the real followers of Jesus
@@BanCommies_Fascists The belief in the virgin birth is dominant because of Constantine and the power of the sword.
Prior to that there were many sects or followers of Jesus that held different views about his life and ministry. The Ebionites being one of them.
The views of Paul were later championed by Constantine because he preached obedience to kings and governments.
Romans 13
James taught that his brother was the son of God. We have his writings . The Nazarenes became the Arminian Orthodox Church .
@@dannyhuskerjay The Ebionites would interpret the term “Son of God” the same way Jesus interpreted it. Someone who is a favored of God. Someone who is unique like any other Prophet.
Jesus justified the term “Son of God” in Psalms 82:6.
Jesus gave the context of it. Not James.
We did not disappear we are still here
You still got original scripture, then? 😮
Ebionites makes more logical sense than the bizarre and weird trinity doctrine some still think is real. Ebonites are definitely closer to the truth. By miles
Gentile Christianity( Rome) Overwhelmed Jewish( Ebionite) christians
Wrong . Jewish Christianity survives in isreal in the form of the Armenian Orthodox Church . James said in his epistle that his brother was the son of God.
@@dannyhuskerjay You could have a good point. The Antiochian orthodox church claims direct descent from Acts 11:26.
Wrong'..! It is only Paul's teaching in misled' the true teaching Jesus p.b.u.h. As proof whether they are Jews or Samaritans, Black Hebrew, or Ishmaelites, they are circumcised as follows back to Abraham's Laws. Only Paul was divided by Jews and Gentiles, hence it's not.. In the time of Moses, Only Paul's abolished the laws of God in his preaching to the European on his tour and died in Cyprus.
@@nidzbenzainuddin7508 Paul did not abolish the law, He did not obligate gentiles to the Jewish law because Jewish law was meant for Jews. Circumcission is a physical sign of the covenant between God and the physical descendants of Abraham not Gentiles from foreign lands. You seriously misunderstand both Paul and Jewish law.
@@samuelmithran5586do you read your Bible? Where in the scripture does it states that the law of God is only for the Jews? Show me that scripture that said the law was only for the jews. If you would like I can point you to countless scripture that states that one law for jews and for the Gentiles. God is not one who shows partiality but in every nation who ever fears him and work righteousness is accepted. The law of Moses AKA the law of God is righteousness According to the scripture.
GREAT video, historically accurate and SPOT on! Nice to see!
What will be, will be. Be kind to all. If you can't do a good turn don't do a bad one.🤗💞
Baruk Haba Bashem YAHUWAH RAPHA NISSI ELOHAI TSEVA’OTH!!!! Shalom Mishpacha.
He was the last Warner/ messenger sent to the Children of Israël. He didn't came as an incarnation , nor as a lamb for sacrifice . He came to fulfill the laws given to all messengers before him and to bring glad tidings to the doers of good while serving God alone .
Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Thank you.
I can't watch this, either actually talk or get a better robot voice. If you're a mute I'm sorry, but this robot voice pisses me off more than damn near everything. It's literally What I hear when I pick up the phone every damn time, and if is a robot and not a human I just hang up. I don't care if you're a bank, the cops, the IRS, or the president. If you are going to call me, you better be human.
Interesting information
Paul never advocated faith alone saves. Or I should say, Paul never thought “faith” was “mental affirmation” alone. Faith included works for Paul. Just not “works of the (Mosaic) Law” (circumcision, Sabbaths, Holy Days, Rituals, specific clothing Rules, Food Observances, etc). "Moral" works were 100% advocated and required by Paul in “faith”.
All this can be easily seen by simply giving Romans, Galatians, or Corinthians a quick read through. Pay attention to when he mentions what God requires of us, what Paul himself expects to see and hear about the behavior of his letters recipients, what he thinks God expects of Paul himself, what he says will allow or bar inheritance into the Kingdom, how he himself speaks about and defines "faith" etc.
The term translated as Faith in English is Pistis in Greek. It literally means Faithfullness. The point of Abraham being justified by "Pistis" was that if he lived before the time Moses gave the law, how could he have been saved unless he had Pistis, was FAITHFUL, to the God of the Old Testament. The reading of Paul as "Faith alone" is an anachronistic, anti-Catholic and antisemitic reading inherited from the Reformation onwards, where they saw themselves in Paul and tied the Roman Pope to the legalism and alleged corruption of the Jerusalem Church. It is an obvious strawman but due to Protestant influence we keep misreading Paul. It was meant to justify pure opportunism and the refusal to do any Works (synonymous with and strawmanned as "blindly following Rome's orders") to achieve salvation. So you are correct that Paul was not against "works" but it was tied to his understanding of "faith", and that the specific thing he was speaking against was the need for everyond to follow the law of Moses to be saved.
It 100 percent included works of the Law. Look at how the early followers of Yeshua lived. Their faith was perfected by their obedience to Elohim's commands.
@@michaelchristian5963 The faith grew and developed over time. We see this in Acts. They learned that Gentiles were being grafted in on equal status without needing to keep the Mosaic law, only needing to keep the law of Messiah.
So yes the earliest followers did keep the law of Moses and some thought it was a necessity. But eventually they learned that was not the case especially in the case of Gentile converts.
@@youngknowledgeseeker if that's true, then why did the Jerusalem council implore the Gentiles who were being grafted in to learn Moses on the Sabbath? (Acts chapter 15)
@michaelchristian5963 I think, respectfully, that's a misreading of the text. Rather the text is saying that there are Jews "everywhere" (since Moses had been preached since old everywhere). And so some customs must be observed by the Gentiles to facilitate cohesion and fellowship between them and Jewish Christians. After all, the gathering places were probably synagogues first and foremost.
It's very hard to read or reconcile Paul and even Hebrews with the idea that Acts or any other book of the NT teaches Mosaic observance. Paul is so firm about this point in Galatians he has to say that those Gentiles in Galatia who choose to observe Moses because they think it's what God now requires of them and so what will help save them, he has to say that those Galatians have cut themselves off from Christ and potentially salvation. Paul says that rather we are under the "law of Messiah."
These can be very confusing or hard topics to understand or read or get good teachers for. I wish the best for you and I also hope God grants us truth always.
We don't have with us teachings of Ebionites and Nazarenes to compare with New testament.
But we know from New testament the difference in teachings and practices between James, Peter vs Paul as well as Jewish vs Gentile Christianity.
So?!...no literary teaching on this anymore??
are you a Gentile Christian?
@@kevinkall8547 Doesn't matter here.
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So do you follow Jesus or Paul ?
Christianity divorced from its roots in the 2nd century, as it dies not follow the law of Abraham. I have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.
The Ethiopians?
@@us3rGnow there is a study. But I find only evidence from centuries after Jesus.
This is incorrect. The Nazarenes were Hebrew, Israelites, not Jews, The word Jew does not exist in the New Testament for a reason; it is supposed to be Judean. not Jew, it is a miss translation, and Judaism as we know it today, came out of the Pharisees.
God forgive them, love them, pardon them, and accept their pardon 😔
Shalom and Avahath to all
Good Video on it's origins to this story
" Judeo Christianity " Elohim loves you all.
I don't understand what your second greeting. But based on the first, my response to you is:
و عليك السلام
Because Paul is DISOBEDIENT OF THE LAW or the THORAH LAW ,,Paul teaches the TALMUD LAW w/c is comes from HUMAN LAW or intellectually from mans wisdom alone nit from the PURE WORD OF GOD w/c is the THORAH LAW alone..
I've got 35 different Christian *churches within a 5 mile radius of my house.
Good job!
Tip:
If your robot can't pronounce the key words of your topic, but rather mangles it into incomprehension, don't engage a robot to narrate your video.
Is that a robot narrator?
Making a laughable mess of this video.
The Shia of Jesus esp with the emphasis on his family
The Ebionitism, or Nazarites, were the inspiration for Islam. Ebionitism is essentially proto-Islam: it is a million miles from genuine Christianity.
The Ebionites & Nazarenes look similar to each other (compared to Pauline Christianity) but they are not the same.
They both profess to follow the Torah and the teachings of Yeho'shua (Jesus).
Critically tho, the Ebion denied and removed the first 3 chapters of the gospel written by Apostle Matthew and reject that Jesus's spirit is the Spirit of God. Sadly, a lot of people waking up to Paul are running from one error to another: they're being deceived into Ebionite beliefs.
The Nazarenes, by contrast, affirmed and we continue to affirm that Ye'shua was born of a virgin, as well as that the Messiah's spirit is the Spirit of the one God.
This is not trinity doctrine.
Every human has a spirit.
Job 7:11
Therefore I will speak in the anguish of _my spirit;_ I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.
Just as you have a body and a mind... you also have a spirit.
likewise Jesus. The spirit in & upon him = the Spirit of God.
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Yehovah God visited his people to save them from their sins. He did this in Jesus. Thats why J's name in Hebrew is Yeho'shua (Yehovah'Shua). That's why he is called Emmanuel which means God-with-us.
Ezekiel34 (written 400 years before Christ)...
For thus saith the Lord GOD Yehovah; Behold, *I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.* As a shepherd seeketh out his flock *in the day that he is AMONG his sheep* that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
The shepherd kept his promise. He visited his own sheep.
Mrk6:34 <
And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.
Mat26:31 >
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
Are the sheep made up only of Jews?
No. He tells us who the sheep are in Matthew 25. They are people from all nations.
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered *all nations:* and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left....
*He who hath ears to hear, let him hear.*
here it is the Hebrew Messiah explained @
youtube Total Onslaught series
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Why So Many Bible Versions via Walter Veith at Amazing Discoveries
Concerning the Ebionites Hippolytus says:
"The Ebionites, however, acknowledge that the world was made by Him Who is in reality God, but they propound legends concerning the Christ similarly with Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They live conformably to the customs of the Jews, alleging that they are justified according to the law, and saying that Jesus was justified by fulfilling the law. And therefore it was, (according to the Ebionites,) that (the Saviour) was named (the) Christ of God and Jesus, since not one of the rest (of mankind) had observed completely the law. For if even any other had fulfilled the commandments (contained) in the law, he would have been that Christ. And the (Ebionites allege) that they themselves also, when in like manner they fulfil (the law), are able to become Christs; for they assert that our Lord Himself was a man in a like sense with all (the rest of the human family) (Ἐβιωναῖοι δὲ ὁμολογοῦσι τὸν κόσμον ὑπὸ τοῦ ὄντως θεοῦ γεγονέναι· τὰ δὲ περὶ τὸν Χριστὸν ὁμοίως τῷ Κηρίνθῳ καὶ Καρποκράτει μυθεύουσιν. Ἔθεσιν Ἰουδαϊκοῖς ζῶσι, κατὰ νόμον φάσκοντες δικαιοῦσθαι, καὶ τὸν Ἰησοῦν λέγοντες δεδικαιῶσθαι ποιήσαντα τὸν νόμον· διὸ καὶ Χριστὸν αὐτὸν τοῦ θεοῦ ὠνομάσθαι, καὶ Ἰησοῦν, ἐπεὶ μηδεὶς αὐτῶν ἐτέλεσε τὸν νόμον· εἰ γὰρ καὶ ἕτερός τις πεποιήκει τὰ ἐν νόμῳ προστεταγμένα, ἦν ἂν ἐκεῖνος ὁ Χριστός. Δύνασθαι δὲ καὶ ἑαυτοὺς ὁμοίως ποιήσαντας, χριστοὺς γενέσθα· καὶ γὰρ καὶ αὐτὸν ὁμοίως ἄνθρωπον εἶναι πᾶσι λέγουσιν.).” Hippolytus of Rome (Ἱππόλυτος Ῥώμης) (170-235 AD), Refutation of All Heresies (Κατὰ πασῶν αἱρέσεων ἔλεγχος), Book VII, Chapter 22 (chapter 34 in Greek).
Psalm 69:33 King James Version (KJV)
33 For the Lord heareth the poor (אביונים = Ebionites = πτωχοὶ [LXX]), and despiseth not his prisoners. ἰδέτωσαν πτωχοὶ καὶ εὐφρανθήτωσαν· ἐκζητήσατε τὸν Θεόν, καὶ ζήσεται ἡ ψυχὴ ὑμῶν, כי־שמע אל־אביונים יהוה ואת־אסיריו לא בזה׃ Hebrew Text.
Peter, James, and John require that Paul collect money for the “poor (οἱ πτωχοὶ = Ebionites)” in Jerusalem:
Galatians 2:8-12 King James Version (KJV)
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) ὁ γὰρ ἐνεργήσας Πέτρῳ εἰς ἀποστολὴν τῆς περιτομῆς, ἐνήργησε καὶ ἐμοὶ εἰς τὰ ἔθνη 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. καὶ γνόντες τὴν χάριν τὴν δοθεῖσάν μοι, Ἰάκωβος καὶ Κηφᾶς καὶ Ἰωάννης, οἱ δοκοῦντες στῦλοι εἶναι, δεξιὰς ἔδωκαν ἐμοὶ καὶ Βαρναβᾷ κοινωνίας, ἵνα ἡμεῖς εἰς τὰ ἔθνη, αὐτοὶ δὲ εἰς τὴν περιτομήν· 10 Only they would that we should remember the poor (τῶν πτωχῶν); the same which I also was forward to do. μόνον τῶν πτωχῶν ἵνα μνημονεύωμεν, ὃ καὶ ἐσπούδασα αὐτὸ τοῦτο ποιῆσαι. 11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. Ὅτε δὲ ἦλθε Πέτρος εἰς Ἀντιόχειαν, κατὰ πρόσωπον αὐτῷ ἀντέστην, ὅτι κατεγνωσμένος ἦν. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. πρὸ τοῦ γὰρ ἐλθεῖν τινας ἀπὸ Ἰακώβου, μετὰ τῶν ἐθνῶν συνήσθιεν· ὅτε δὲ ἦλθον, ὑπέστελλε καὶ ἀφώριζεν ἑαυτόν, φοβούμενος τοὺς ἐκ περιτομῆς.
Romans 15:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. νυνὶ δὲ πορεύομαι εἰς Ἰερουσαλήμ, διακονῶν τοῖς ἁγίοις. 26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor (τοὺς πτωχοὺς = Ebionites) saints which are at Jerusalem. εὐδόκησαν γὰρ Μακεδονία καὶ Ἀχαΐα κοινωνίαν τινὰ ποιήσασθαι εἰς τοὺς πτωχοὺς τῶν ἁγίων τῶν ἐν Ἰερουσαλήμ. 27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things. εὐδόκησαν γάρ, καὶ ὀφειλέται αὐτῶν εἰσιν. εἰ γὰρ τοῖς πνευματικοῖς αὐτῶν ἐκοινώνησαν τὰ ἔθνη, ὀφείλουσι καὶ ἐν τοῖς σαρκικοῖς λειτουργῆσαι αὐτοῖς.
The authors of the Dead Se Scrolls refer to themselves as Ebionites:
4Q171 2:7-12 7 Ps 37:10 I will stare at his place and he will no longer be there. Its interpretation concerns all the wickedness at the end 8 of the forty years, for they will be completed and upon the earth no [wic]ked person will be found. 9 Ps 37:11 And the poor shall possess the land and enjoy peace in plenty. Its interpretation concerns 10 the congregation of the poor (האביונים = the Ebionites) who will tough out the period of distress and will be rescued from all the snares of 11 Belial (בליעל). Afterwards, all who shall po[sse]ss the land will enjoy and grow fat with everything enjoy[able to] 12 the flesh.
7 ואתבוננה על מקומו ואיננו פשרו על כול הרשעה לסוף
8 ארבעים השנה אשר יתמו ולוא ימצא בארץ כול איש
9 ר]שע וענוים ירשו ארץ והתענגו על רוב שלום פשרו על]
10 עדת האביונים אשר יקבלו את מועד התענית ונצלו מכול פחי
11 [בליעל ואחר יתענגו כול יו[ר]שי הארץ והתדשנו בכול תענ[וג
12 בשר
Ebionites believed Jesus was a prophet of God and the virgin birth. Just like Muslims today. Connect the dots
Nope
@@jib7026 Stay ignorant then, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Muhammad prayed to the One True God, Allah. In Jesus's language, Aramaic, he called upon Alah. In Moses's language, Paleo-Hebrew which is the oldest form of Hebrew from his time he also called upon Al or Alah. Educate yourself for the sake of your afterlife
@@alzicario3466 The Exodus out of Egypt of hundreds of thousands of Hebrew slaves, never happened. The law of Moses was written in the 6 century BC. Get educated.
@@petervankan1 you are right, it was not hundreds of thousand of Hebrews. That number is literally impossible. The Quran implies that it was a small group, maybe a few dozen to a few hundreds. And the law of Moses linguistically is dated to around 12th century BC. The evidence for Moses being a real person though is immense
@@alzicario3466 There is no evidence whatsoever of Moses having lived. And 12th century BC ? Where was the text all those centuries, until after the Babylonian exile ?
I hope that you receive the means to read your own scripts some day
Jews need to get to know Jesus Christ
messianic Judaism exists
Rabban Gamaliel said if Yeshua’s movement the Netzarim disbanded they would not be from the Lord. They officially ended in 135 ce and disappeared from history in 333 ce. This suggests that Yeshua is not the Messiah.
No. The Nazarene way continues. We are few in number though. Just as Yeho'shua said we would be.
Wrong,there was no christian word on the mid first century.The word christian come from the pagan word Greeks christos,even the word Jews .
Revelation. There are Israelites and Nazarene. No Christian.
Israel defined by God gen 32. Those who struggle with God and men and prevails. This is the reason Jesus taught the prayer,... temptation and the evil one...ring a bell?
Yes.there is no Christian.
*jewish christians?? mixing terms is not good*
Being Jew originally has nothing to do with religion, Being Jew is a lineage and offcourse a law was given to them so we call it the "Jewish law". Now not all Jews accepted Christ, those who did later in history may have been called Jewish Christians, because being a Jew is their descent or tribe not a religion. It is no different from saying Arab Christian just that people interprete the term Jew as religion and not the latter. You see the misinterpretation now?
@@illmatic1official560
"Being Jew originally has nothing to do with religion"
Yes it has
"Being Jew is a lineage and offcourse a law was given to them so we call it the "Jewish law"
It's called the Torah or Mosaic law
the term jew has nothing to do with lineage
*There was a certain Jew in Shushan the castle, whose name was Mordecai the son of Jair the son of Shimei the son of Kish, a Benjamite* Esther 2:5
Benjamin was one of Jacob son,so how can this man be from the Tribe of Benjamin and the tribe of Judah in the same time?!!
Jew or Yehudi comes from the semitic verb "heda" which means to follow the right path,the authentic teachings,to be the guided one
When the teachings of a prophet get weak and forgotten his followers start claiming to represent the authentic teachings this is how sects appear
it happened to Moses followers and a sect among them called them selves Yehudim
it happened to some Jesus followers and they're called "othodox"
it happened to Muslims and they're called "sunnah"
the term "christian" is another subject
Peace be upon you
@@user-ry2qs7xf9k The earliest christians were Jews .....lol
I believe in Jesus, not Paul.
Don, Christ Jesus called the Apostle Paul to preach the Gospel to the house of Israel and the Gentiles.
Have you read Acts 9 and 1 Corinthians 1?
@@gothamknight2700 Paul contradicts Christ.
@@elite4wellness
Example??
@@elite4wellness
Question:
Why would Christ Jesus call the Apostle Paul "His chosen vessel," if he was going to contradict Him?
Acts 9:1-22 CSB
Now Saul was still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord. He went to the high priest [2] and requested letters from him to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any men or women who belonged to the Way, he might bring them as prisoners to Jerusalem. [3] As he traveled and was nearing Damascus, a light from heaven suddenly flashed around him. [4] Falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" [5] "Who are you, Lord?" Saul said. "I am Jesus, the one you are persecuting," he replied. [6] "But get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." [7] The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the sound but seeing no one. [8] Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing. So they took him by the hand and led him into Damascus. [9] He was unable to see for three days and did not eat or drink. [10] There was a disciple in Damascus named Ananias, and the Lord said to him in a vision, "Ananias." "Here I am, Lord," he replied. [11] "Get up and go to the street called Straight," the Lord said to him, "to the house of Judas, and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, since he is praying there. [12] In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and placing his hands on him so that he may regain his sight." [13] "Lord," Ananias answered, "I have heard from many people about this man, how much harm he has done to your saints in Jerusalem. [14] And he has authority here from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name." [15] But the Lord said to him, "Go, for this man is my chosen instrument to take my name to Gentiles, kings, and Israelites. [16] I will show him how much he must suffer for my name." [17] Ananias went and entered the house. He placed his hands on him and said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road you were traveling, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." [18] At once something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he got up and was baptized. [19] And after taking some food, he regained his strength. Saul was with the disciples in Damascus for some time. [20] Immediately he began proclaiming Jesus in the synagogues: "He is the Son of God." [21] All who heard him were astounded and said, "Isn't this the man in Jerusalem who was causing havoc for those who called on this name and came here for the purpose of taking them as prisoners to the chief priests?" [22] But Saul grew stronger and kept confounding the Jews who lived in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Messiah.
Exegesis is the standard to interpret Scripture by, not Eisegesis and bias judgment towards one of God's servant who proclaimed that Jesus is the Messiah!!
You're not making sense of your own position!
@SANJAYA BIRD
That's your assertions against the Apostle Paul, where's your proof?
Matthew 7:22-23 NASB
Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' [23] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
How can these verses apply to Paul when Christ Jesus called him His chosen vessel and appointed to do His will?
You can't be serious with your response!!
They were both following the Way of the Rasul Essa as best as they knew how, even if with imperfect knowledge.
The old English voice is annoying.
Even worse: a crappy robot programmed to sound like a stuffy Englishman.
Do not eat meat
Although this early Jewish-Christian sect of the Ebonites (circa. early 1st-2nd C.E.) was considered heretical, and their teachings on certain aspects have certainly deviated from pure Christian doctrine, what they said about Christ as an Angel is corroborative evidence of the antiquity of this tradition and teaching going back to the Earliest Christians and to the Jews themselves, as confirmed by writings among the DSS or Dead Sea Scrolls and Philo Judaeus.
Here is what Epiphanius had to say on what they taught in this regard:
GREEK TEXT: “...καὶ [16.] τούτου ἕνεκα Ἰησοῦν γεγεννημένον ἐκ σπέρματος ἀνδρὸς λέγουσι καὶ ἐπιλεχθέντα καὶ οὕτω κατὰ ἐκλογὴν υἱὸν θεοῦ κληθέντα ἀπὸ τοῦ ἄνωθεν εἰς αὐτὸν ἥκοντος Χριστοῦ ἐν εἴδει περιστερᾶς. οὐ φάσκουσι δὲ ἐκ θεοῦ πατρὸς αὐτὸν γεγεννῆσθαι, ἀλλὰ κεκτίσθαι ὡς ἕνα τῶν ἀρχαγγέλων [καὶ ἔτι περισσοτέρως], αὐτὸν δὲ κυριεύειν καὶ ἀγγέλων καὶ πάντων τῶν ὑπὸ τοῦ παντοκράτορος πεποιημένων...” - (Panarion 30.16, 4-5; Κατὰ Ἐβιωναίων, τῆς δὲ ἀκολουθίας. MPG.)
EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS (circa. 310-403 C.E.): “...And on this account they say that Jesus was begotten of the seed of a man, and was chosen; and so by the choice of God he was called the Son of God from the Christ that came into him from above in the likeness of a dove. And they deny that he was begotten of God the Father, but say that he was created as one of the archangels, yet greater, and that he is Lord of the angels and of all things made by the Almighty...” - (Pages 8-10, Panarion 30.16,4-5; Montague Rhode James in The Apocryphal New Testament, Oxford: Clarendon Press 1924)
EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS (circa. 310-403 C.E.): “...They say that Christ was not begotten of God the Father, but created as one of the archangels ... that he rules over the angels and all the creatures of the Almighty...” - (Panarion 30.16,4-5; The Nazarenes of Mount Carmel Copyright © 1999-2006.)
The Ebionites or Abayonaym are the Pure Hebrew faithfully doing the THORAH ,,and the messiah is only a prophet ofGod not as God coz there is only one God alone,,and trinity is Fabricated by the Christian
Jesus is at least a demi-god - Quor’an 21 + 66
I hate this robot voice it’s creepy
Bad pronouncaton
Creepy and crappy.
although there is no historical evidence that a jesus of the cross ever existed.
Really?
Wrong. Jesus’ death is historically proved. So he should have lived before dying.
There's non-biblical sources that speak of Christ Jesus, His Atonement and much more.
www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources
Check your presuppositions before responding.
CED are you stupid or stupid? There’s too much evidence and that’s where the lies lie
What I find really interesting is that nothing was written about Jesus during his lifetime--only decades later. All that drama; the crucifixion and the resurrection (!!) all the disruption in Rome from this wild guy 'Jesus of Nazareth'.....nothing was written about him while he lived.
I think to find the origins of a 'jesus' or, really, 'Christ/Christos' you have to dig deeper and go all the way back to Egypt, all the way back to Mesopotamia and the old gods. The message, and whatever truly happened, I think it all just got misunderstood and reinterpreted (with A LOT of things being made up along the way, especially in the Middle Ages) again & again & again, through every historical era, all the way up to today.
Ebionites makes more logical sense than the bizarre and weird trinity doctrine some still think is real. Ebonites are definitely closer to the truth. By miles
here it is the Hebrew Messiah explained @