Agreed! He's a remarkable talent. I just remember him as a little guy, probably six-ish years old, running around the church with his brother. I had no idea the drummer he would become! And his dad is one of the coolest guys I have ever known!
Great story on your Black Beauty!!! I'm so glad that you were able to resurrect your snare and get it back in playing shape and I must say it sounds really good!!!
Since you dont have alot of videos, its been a while since a paroused the channel, but this is the ine video i missed. Its a great story ,making that drum a one of a kind. Its worth more than the money for sure
The brass goes through strain hardening when it’s manufactured. Bending and/or hammering it hardens the brass. What likely happened is that the brass got hot enough in the fire to temper the metal and make it soft again. The sharp black bits that you had to grind off were probably some kind of fire scale (black oxide). Maybe forming from the iron on the hardware when it got super hot. So your Super Sensitive Black Beauty is now more of a Mild Tempered Fire Scaled Beauty.
The bits that were ground off were large chunks of what I believe had once been lugs -- melted down the shell and at at the bottom... some congealed and stuck to the shell. They were big -- large enough to interfere with mounting new lugs in a couple of positions. That, plus the crazy sharpness of it (I cut my fingers more than once handling the shell) meant it had to come off. Probably could have (maybe?) done something less invasive than the grinding, but it was a quick fix, and I think the randomness of the shiny brass underneath makes the drum's appearance even more interesting. Thanks for being here!
I had a friend who rescued a black beauty shell from a dumpster. Sadly, he wouldn't sell it to me. I think yours is a wonderful drum with a great story. As for names, how about flambe'?
Joel, that drum is one million percent cool, and sounds great as well. Weird as it may sound, I'm fortunate to own some fire survivor drums as well. The 12" and 16" are still with me, albeit recovered. My cousin owns the snare which is in very good condition, but the bass drum is gone.I'll see if I can attach a couple of pictures.Ok, I guess I don't know how to do pictures on you-Tube, sorry.
I got a late 70s super sensitive BB. Got it as a gift when I was kid and it was my first real Snare. I appreciate it so much more now than I did then. It’s just an incredible drum. The strainer mechanism is definitely more complicated then a standard strainer but I’m not a fan of the p85 from that period. I liked the older p83 better and of course Ludwig’s new strainers are awesome. Great video brother Joel. Enjoying your channel. Thanks man!
Sounds great! Thanks for sharing! At the beginning I was thinking "that's a nice Steve Gadd groove" so well done! That cowbell reminds me of the mambo bell. Most of the LP cowbells were too high pitch for me but the mambo bell was lower and sat in a mix nicely.
Hey Joel, have you gone over the felt under the snare wires in a video before? I would like to see you do a video of how to tune up / fix (anything else you want to call it) snare wires that buzz with various tom frequencies, etc.(maybe you already have it?) Thank you!
Not sure what you mean by 'felt under the snare wires''? Would love to know more!! As for dealing with sympathetic buzz I generally alter the tuning of the offending (triggering) drum (usually just one... rarely do multiple toms get offensive wire buzz). I don't know that I would ever muffle the wires themselves trying to fix it though. But what is your thought?
Phoenix Stallion (for the ashes rising Black Beauty) Ghost Rider ((for the groove and extra dirty sound it got changing through the fire … to honor the legend … because the Black Beauty isn‘t alive anymore … but it’s fascinating ghostly representing, being something else though) Mc Burney? Zombie Beaty or „The Resurrected One“ or short TRO.
Dude what a Story ❤ so nice That your son will have it this Part brought tears into my eyes . My son is 8 years and Starts banging my drums , He is so Talented but Not yet so interested. I started with 11 years … im 29 years old Know. Greets from germany ❤ Ps. Name for snare: the Survivor 👍
@@drumdotpizza lol. Totally understand. If it wasn't for my wife's love of film I wouldn't of known either. Also heard you mention Jon at Dallas Drum. Funny enough I'm going to see him this week to have a bass drum cut down. Gonna turn a 20x22 into a 14x22.
@@thesonicsolution1976 ZOOG! Love that guy. And so glad you're cutting a kick down to 14"... they sound so much better that deeper drums, IMO (at least when miked). I'm actually going to do a comparison video with a 22x18 kick that I then cut down to 2214... should be interesting! I've never actually done such a comparison/modification... I just have always preferred 14" deep drums, so I'm pretty pumped to see how the experiment works out. Cheers!
@@drumdotpizza Zoog did an excellent job on my kick. He said you got to see it this morning (friday) before I got there to pick it up. And you were right about the 14 depth. Sounds fantastic, tunes like a dream, and I can finally here a definite note in it instead of 15 overtones. Love it. Jon speaks very highly of you and for what it's worth, I did too. Your videos are some of the most fun I've had on youtube. Have a blessed weekend.
Man I got an old pearl that is my favorite as well as an old sonar feromaganese which the pearl must have some sorta manganese or brass because inside on the inner seem is a fair bit of copper showing but both have that brass pahhh crack to them also have you tried dicast hoops I bought the drummer for satriani on the surfing with an alien albums hoops from eBay years ago and with those hoops my pearl is priceless to me like that drum is to you.
I actually LOVE the look of the post-fire patina! Would be cool for a manufacturer to make a brass drum that look that way. The Ludwig Raw Brass shell is similar, but I like this better. I wonder how difficult it would be to do?
Hi, do you have any recommendations for setting up a kick that sounds great at lower volumes for those of us playing and recording in apartments at lower volumes? My guess is that a smaller kick ‘saturates’ more quickly at lower volumes, maybe.
I noticed you have a strip of felt or some kind of fabric between the bottom head and the snare wires....Never seen that. Does it help with sympathetic snare buzz or something??? Thanks!!
It sounds absolutely amazing, thank you from bringing it back to life, you are thee MAN. Just a few I thought of "FirePhonic", "Round for Pound the Sound" or "Hells Bell".
Amazing story. Funny though that you have the strainer on the butt side. I converted a super sensitive that I got for $200 and the strainer ended up on that side too. Oops 😊
No trade secret, just a hunk of outdoor rug material cut to fit under the snare wires to eliminate buzzing while sitting on the shelf (I put little pieces of that on all my snares, engaging the wires to hold them in place). This keeps the drums quiet when I'm recording (otherwise the sympathetic noise is rather significant). It also kept the wires quiet while I was holding the drum and talking for the video.
I must confess I didn't actually get this at first. Thought it a simple cute and clever name, whimsical. Then I heard myself say it out loud and got the joke.... clever!! Thanks for the suggestion!
Destroyed in a plane crash, yes? I remember reading something about that years ago. Said it had the best feeling neck of any guitar before or since, but at least he wasn't on the plane when it went down!
PhoenixPhonic 😊
The Blackened beauty! Thats my vote!
I came here to say this, good one!
Definitely in the running, thanks!!
"the Burninator" !!! Great story! Those inside photos of the burn goop so good! Nice Gadd groove!
Thank you, Chris!
very cool drum and history. "Ludwig Black Beast" :)
Man, Aaron Sterling is to me the finest drummer alive. Good name drop!
Agreed! He's a remarkable talent. I just remember him as a little guy, probably six-ish years old, running around the church with his brother. I had no idea the drummer he would become! And his dad is one of the coolest guys I have ever known!
Great story on your Black Beauty!!! I'm so glad that you were able to resurrect your snare and get it back in playing shape and I must say it sounds really good!!!
Thanks so much! My son wants that drum so badly!
I see someone has beat me to it, but I thought "The Phoenix"...rising from the ashes, and all that. What an amazing story, that BB is a survivor!
Yup, definitely the Phoenix.
Also, dude…that is a PRIME candidate for a tarnish job, it would look incredible!
Since you dont have alot of videos, its been a while since a paroused the channel, but this is the ine video i missed. Its a great story ,making that drum a one of a kind. Its worth more than the money for sure
The brass goes through strain hardening when it’s manufactured. Bending and/or hammering it hardens the brass. What likely happened is that the brass got hot enough in the fire to temper the metal and make it soft again.
The sharp black bits that you had to grind off were probably some kind of fire scale (black oxide). Maybe forming from the iron on the hardware when it got super hot.
So your Super Sensitive Black Beauty is now more of a Mild Tempered Fire Scaled Beauty.
The bits that were ground off were large chunks of what I believe had once been lugs -- melted down the shell and at at the bottom... some congealed and stuck to the shell. They were big -- large enough to interfere with mounting new lugs in a couple of positions. That, plus the crazy sharpness of it (I cut my fingers more than once handling the shell) meant it had to come off. Probably could have (maybe?) done something less invasive than the grinding, but it was a quick fix, and I think the randomness of the shiny brass underneath makes the drum's appearance even more interesting.
Thanks for being here!
Awesome! Thank you for sharing! 👍🏻👍🏻
I had a friend who rescued a black beauty shell from a dumpster. Sadly, he wouldn't sell it to me. I think yours is a wonderful drum with a great story. As for names, how about flambe'?
That drum sounds great .love the history
the backbeat blaster
“Inferno” 🔥
Looks killer!
Sounds great!
Well done on getting back into the game! 👊🥁🤘
Joel, that drum is one million percent cool, and sounds great as well. Weird as it may sound, I'm fortunate to own some fire survivor drums as well. The 12" and 16" are still with me, albeit recovered. My cousin owns the snare which is in very good condition, but the bass drum is gone.I'll see if I can attach a couple of pictures.Ok, I guess I don't know how to do pictures on you-Tube, sorry.
Pretty awesome! Love your videos! Keep em coming.. ❤
Man, that beast still sounds great😊. The smoked eliminator strikes back😂
I got a late 70s super sensitive BB. Got it as a gift when I was kid and it was my first real Snare. I appreciate it so much more now than I did then. It’s just an incredible drum. The strainer mechanism is definitely more complicated then a standard strainer but I’m not a fan of the p85 from that period. I liked the older p83 better and of course Ludwig’s new strainers are awesome. Great video brother Joel. Enjoying your channel. Thanks man!
Gotta call it the Phoenix
Sounds great! Thanks for sharing! At the beginning I was thinking "that's a nice Steve Gadd groove" so well done! That cowbell reminds me of the mambo bell. Most of the LP cowbells were too high pitch for me but the mambo bell was lower and sat in a mix nicely.
Yay! Thanks for sharing that! I'm trying to release my inner Gadd... here's hoping (the cowbell is fun!).
Great sounding drum. My first idea was the 'The Apokalypse', but 'The Phoenix' suggested below is strong.
Man, sounds great. Black beauty was a horse in my childhood stories. A burnt one? = Ash Mare
Phoenix could be a good name :-)
Hey Joel, have you gone over the felt under the snare wires in a video before? I would like to see you do a video of how to tune up / fix (anything else you want to call it) snare wires that buzz with various tom frequencies, etc.(maybe you already have it?) Thank you!
Not sure what you mean by 'felt under the snare wires''? Would love to know more!!
As for dealing with sympathetic buzz I generally alter the tuning of the offending (triggering) drum (usually just one... rarely do multiple toms get offensive wire buzz). I don't know that I would ever muffle the wires themselves trying to fix it though. But what is your thought?
Great story! I'd call it Blackened Beauty.
Love it, thanks!!
It actually sounds really good!
That thing is awesome! Sounds uniquely trashy, thanks for sharing!
Phoenix Stallion (for the ashes rising Black Beauty)
Ghost Rider ((for the groove and extra dirty sound it got changing through the fire … to honor the legend … because the Black Beauty isn‘t alive anymore … but it’s fascinating ghostly representing, being something else though)
Mc Burney?
Zombie Beaty or „The Resurrected One“ or short TRO.
Dude what a Story ❤ so nice That your son will have it this Part brought tears into my eyes . My son is 8 years and Starts banging my drums , He is so Talented but Not yet so interested. I started with 11 years … im 29 years old Know.
Greets from germany ❤
Ps. Name for snare: the Survivor 👍
Mad Max snare drums
Very nice video, would love to see similar thing but for toms
My submission: The Charred Beauty
You should name it Khalisi. Since it went through the fire and survived. lol.
I had to look that one up (I actually don't watch too many shows, so I wasn't familiar with the Game Of Thrones characters). Hmm...
@@drumdotpizza lol. Totally understand. If it wasn't for my wife's love of film I wouldn't of known either. Also heard you mention Jon at Dallas Drum. Funny enough I'm going to see him this week to have a bass drum cut down. Gonna turn a 20x22 into a 14x22.
@@thesonicsolution1976 ZOOG! Love that guy. And so glad you're cutting a kick down to 14"... they sound so much better that deeper drums, IMO (at least when miked). I'm actually going to do a comparison video with a 22x18 kick that I then cut down to 2214... should be interesting! I've never actually done such a comparison/modification... I just have always preferred 14" deep drums, so I'm pretty pumped to see how the experiment works out. Cheers!
@@drumdotpizza Zoog did an excellent job on my kick. He said you got to see it this morning (friday) before I got there to pick it up. And you were right about the 14 depth. Sounds fantastic, tunes like a dream, and I can finally here a definite note in it instead of 15 overtones. Love it. Jon speaks very highly of you and for what it's worth, I did too. Your videos are some of the most fun I've had on youtube. Have a blessed weekend.
@@thesonicsolution1976 Zoog is good people!!
I was gonna say “Charred Beauty” but I like “Burnt Beauty” mentioned earlier!
Blackened Beauty
The Survivor
Would probably have to pay CBS a fee for that ;)
You can call it The Terminated
Ha! Love it!
“Tha Burnt Beauty”
Man, I want that psychedelic red sitting behind you there!
Name it “Bernie”🥁🔥
There is only one name for this drum... the Phoenix!
Did you notice the graphic in the thumbnail? Phoenix is definitely one I'm considering. After all, it is back from the ashes!
@@drumdotpizza Haha the video started playing as soon as I clicked on it, so I missed the thumbnail... but I guess thats pretty obvious, right?
Congratulations on that bitchin' cowbell. My vote for the drum's name is Logi. The Viking word for fire. Also shares 3 letters with Ludwig.
Burnt beauty!
Man I got an old pearl that is my favorite as well as an old sonar feromaganese which the pearl must have some sorta manganese or brass because inside on the inner seem is a fair bit of copper showing but both have that brass pahhh crack to them also have you tried dicast hoops I bought the drummer for satriani on the surfing with an alien albums hoops from eBay years ago and with those hoops my pearl is priceless to me like that drum is to you.
Surviving Beauty
Tripple B
Limited edition patina. $1000.
I actually LOVE the look of the post-fire patina! Would be cool for a manufacturer to make a brass drum that look that way. The Ludwig Raw Brass shell is similar, but I like this better. I wonder how difficult it would be to do?
Hi, do you have any recommendations for setting up a kick that sounds great at lower volumes for those of us playing and recording in apartments at lower volumes? My guess is that a smaller kick ‘saturates’ more quickly at lower volumes, maybe.
I see what you did on the namedrop there....
I noticed you have a strip of felt or some kind of fabric between the bottom head and the snare wires....Never seen that. Does it help with sympathetic snare buzz or something??? Thanks!!
It sounds absolutely amazing, thank you from bringing it back to life, you are thee MAN. Just a few I thought of "FirePhonic", "Round for Pound the Sound" or "Hells Bell".
Weird question...What's the snare stand used in this demo?
Amazing story. Funny though that you have the strainer on the butt side. I converted a super sensitive that I got for $200 and the strainer ended up on that side too. Oops 😊
I didn't pay much attention to such things back then.
Call him “Sooty” or “Burney”
What's underneath the snares on the bottom head? Is that a trade secret?
No trade secret, just a hunk of outdoor rug material cut to fit under the snare wires to eliminate buzzing while sitting on the shelf (I put little pieces of that on all my snares, engaging the wires to hold them in place). This keeps the drums quiet when I'm recording (otherwise the sympathetic noise is rather significant). It also kept the wires quiet while I was holding the drum and talking for the video.
Is there muffling on the snare wires?
Name it "BBB" for Burned Black Beauty?
Call your drum “Smokey”
Bernie
I must confess I didn't actually get this at first. Thought it a simple cute and clever name, whimsical. Then I heard myself say it out loud and got the joke.... clever!! Thanks for the suggestion!
Reminds me of a Rat Rod Car/bike........ Rat Snare????
Therminator
NICE!!
Great! It reminds me of Peter Framptons Les Paul, if you know the story. Phoenix will be indeed a fitting name.
Destroyed in a plane crash, yes? I remember reading something about that years ago. Said it had the best feeling neck of any guitar before or since, but at least he wasn't on the plane when it went down!
@@drumdotpizza Exactly. Love those kinda stories.
highly flam-able
That humor is rather rudimentary, don't you think? ;)
Burnt Beauty
Darth Vadar
The Crack Beauty