2005+ Axle swap on a 1999-2004 Superduty
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2023
- On this weeks video, we're doing something a little different again!
This truck was originally owned by a friend of mine, who did a lot of work to it and had a lot of work done to it. He sold it a few years back, and now his friend purchased it back with plans on updating, and upgrading!
The first order of business is to put the updated suspension, and axles in this Early 1999 F350. In this video, we're going to be removing the 99-04 front suspension and axle, and installing the 05-07 front suspension and axle. There will be a few videos involving this truck, as we're going to be doing the rear axle, as well as some interior work to this truck.
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The information provided in this video, and description are for informational purposes only. I am not a certified professional, and the use of this information or advice is at the viewers risk. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Absolutely beautifully informational!!! Thank you so much!!!
You’re very welcome!
Great video. Going to do my truck this summer. I’ve tried so many different brand leaf springs to make it ride better and I give up. Love that extended crows foot socket for the pitman arm nut! Never saw that before I’ll be definitely buying on of them this week!
Torque adapters have their uses. This is one of them! Lol
Aftermarket springs always have an issue. They are never what they should be. The axle swap is a no brainer for me.
0:34 Man that truck looks really sweet! I like the blue bottom(lariat paint line trim), it looks nice with the black & blue. Black is always my favorite color on vehicles, these especially.👍🏻👌🏻🛠️
That was a custom touch for that truck. There’s a story behind it. And it’s pretty funny. But the trucks always been called Black and Blue, and it’s the only one we’ve seen like it!
And the blue matches your 4post like perfectly! Weird😅
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I swapped an 07 into my 03. Tremendous improvement to the ride, truning radius and handling. Lowered coil towers 4.5" for lift with factory coils. Slot the holes in the bottom of ur radius arms to adjust ur camber. Completed in 09.
It’s hard to beat the ride of an 05+ suspension in these.
Hi! Is there anyway I can contact you.? Like Instagram? Im looking at doing this myself but do I need different body mounts? What all do I need and use?
@@smallengines1018 there is an email in my about section of the channel.
@Markhigdon5644 Lowering spring pockets sounds like a good idea for lifting. How'd it come out? What else was needed for lifting? Any photos or videos on social media?
@@GarrettsOBSGarageI got a 6.0 sitting the frame is mint but it’s a long bed I have a short bed 7.3. Will the springs and axle still fit?
I've been wanting to do this to my truck for a while, but hadn't found any info breaking it down the way you did. Thanks! Any chance you have a parts list you could add to the video description?
I’m glad I could provide that!!
The parts list varies depending on the truck donor, as well as what you’d fully need. So there isn’t a cut and dry list so to speak. The basics on what you’d need is covered in this video and a few others related to the axle swaps. But other than that. It’s a few bolts you’d have to buy.
Having a ratchet strap is handy to locate the axle to get the track bar bolt in without risking having a lot of weight on the axle to line it up, the frame can be on the jacks and just pull the axle to where you need it.
Does the engine have a bedplate? Seems the only reason to cut the crossmember to allow space for a lower pan.
Ive done the jack stand and ratchet strap method, and its not nearly as trust worthy! haha
Yes, it does have a bedplate, and thats why the crossmember was so hacked up, I feel like they could have done a better job with it.
Nice clearly explained vid with no rock music or exciting drama added🤔
Is the extra 4" of width because it is going from Dana 50 to Dana 60? Or did they widen the track on everything from 05+?
The lack of drama hurts my views. However I don’t like dragging people along. The width is because they changed the wheel mounting surface (WMS) to WMS width in 2005. So the surface that the wheel mates to when it’s secured to the axle grew from side to side. So that’s why each side would stick out 2” if you used the 99-04 wheels, if they were larger than 16”. That’s why the 20” wheels on this truck stick out a little more, as they were meant for the 99-04 axles.
Hi, Hope your day is going well, awsome video on the swap. I will be starting mine soon. I'm hoping to get all the original brakes if I can from the donor. If I can't, what are the part numbers for the mounting brackets brake lines etc? I dont see part numbers on here. I have a 2003 f250 6.0.
Thank you
Your local parts store can hook you up with all that. You’ll need year make model for your donor.
Wow, didn't realize it was that easy..haha Also for anyone looking to do the swap there will be 3" added to your track width.
Its not nearly as hard as I imagined it would be! Its between 3-4" if you use the same wheels, yeah.
Garrett your the greatest because you actually get back to everyone’s question about the swap , Awesome video. What would you charge to do this type of job I have a 2001 F250 and just don’t have the time as far as my work schedule ,and don’t have tools to do it the job as far as a lift.
Thanks! I try to help, thats the whole point of this channel. As far as doing this for you, Shoot me an email GarrettsOBSGarage @ Gmail. COM. This type of job isn't something you can "quote" blindly since it all depends on the condition of the truck, and its donor, and what all you want to do to it. If you follow the videos on this truck, you'll see how much extra work we needed to do to it to make it how he wanted it, and what it needed to be safe, and RIGHT.
Im shocked to see that truck still using the factory transmission coolant line radiator.
Truck was always cared for!
Nice tidy video! I have been looking into doing this but I just came across a clean complete 2006 f350 frame with all suspension still on it. My question is about cab fitment. Will my 04 cab set right in place on the 06 frame?
Thanks!
Absolutely it’ll drop right on. Check out my videos on the 2001 F250. Its setting on a 2006 frame now.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage hell yeah! Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Would my 04 cab fit any 05-07 frame, even the f450?
Yes. It should. As long as the cab configuration is the same. (Crew to crew etc)
Bingo! Exactly the way I would do the swap.....set a 1999 - 2004 Cab / Pickup Box on a 2005 - 2007 Chassis (Frame, Suspension, Axles). I've checked with a few salvage yards and the cost for a complete 2005 - 2007 chassis is very reasonable. Dang Shame Ford did not use the front coil suspension on the 2005 Excursions.
Regarding the Excursion, not sure if I want OEM Super Duty front coil suspension parts OR One Up OffRoad front coil suspension parts....either way Dana 60 in the front along with 2005 - 2007 Ford 10.5 rear axle assembly. Most likely will use the One Up OffRoad kit.
BTW, the 10.5 rear axle assembly was not made by 'Sterling'. Instead, the 10.5 was built by Ford Motor Company (FoMoCo) at their axle plant located in Sterling Heights Michigan.
Wondering if the owner has plans for those old axles. I could really use a set of '99-04 SD axles for my Wagoneer on 40's project. Please let me know if the owner wishes to sell them. Just found your channel looking for SD axle info and you got another subscriber now. Thanks for sharing and take care.
I believe they went to a new home about a month ago now. So, sorry you missed out on them. Thanks for the sub!!
I'll have two sets available soon in NC
Can you use radius arm brackets from a 2008 and up super duty or can you only use the 2005 to 2006 radius arm brackets
You can use up to 2016 if I’m not mistaken. I just like the 05-07 coil brackets and axles. There is another video on the channel covering why I favor the 05-07 style.
What all did you use for the brakes and lines mines a e99 also goin to super 60 axles for mine
I used all the OEM 05-07 rubber lines. And made my own lines to mate up to those from everywhere else.
I couldn’t find your email but I’m in the middle of this on my e99. Did you end up needing an adjustable track bar because my axle is shifted towards the drivers side. Also, could I not just use the factory steel brake lines where they’re at and run the rubber lines on the rear side of the buckets?
That’s all covered in the video, but I replied to your email.
Can you give me a more in depth description on what you did with the break lines that is what im currently stuck on with my axle swap.
I used all the 05+ soft lines and made my own from there. Depending on your truck, will depend on the size of the line and it’s routing.
I have an 02 with low mileage and would like to do this swap. Will my differentials fit in the 05-07 casings? Thanks
The rear differential. Minus gears will. The front, if you already have a 60, will. There are changes that happened to the pinion sizes for the rear axle and I don’t know what the year breakdowns are for those. The fronts may have also changed, but I am not sure of that either. The differentials themselves should change over though. We did the rear one on another truck. But never a front.
I have an 04 350 DRW it has the Dana 60 in the front I understand with the swap to the coil springs will ride a lot better,but are the newer axles stronger than the 04 D60
The axle is technically the same internally, you can upgrade the axle shafts to the 17+ style with the larger u joints like in the video on the 2001 F250.
The wheel bearings are larger. And the brakes are larger. The suspension is also better. And the turning radius is much tighter. The 05+ stuff is a lot easier to find and in my opinion better than the 99-04 stuff.
Awesome thank you so much.
@@scottpinardi4991 you’re welcome!
Do you do you this for people? Wanting this done to my 04 f350. Early build 4x4
Shoot me an email, you can find it in my about section.
www.youtube.com/@GarrettsOBSGarage/about
I've got an 05 that I would like to swap in the other direction. I would like to convert from coils to leaf springs front axle. Crazy I know... I just prefer the locking hub system on the older style.
My 04 was converted to a dana 60 with coil springs and fabtech 4 link 6 inch lift and it still has the locking hubs so maybe you can swap to locking hubs?
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Pretty sure they sell locking hubs
I'm referring to the actual locking hub design. My hubs are a plastic type that are prone to breakage. 99-04 had a lot stronger/simpler design. I like it a lot better.
@@willhart7861 I wouldn’t swap to a leaf springs for that reason. Buy some Warn Brass locks maybe?
@@livewithnick that is definitely something I'm considering
thanks for the tips! how big is your shop?
You’re welcome! 3000 square feet. And it’s too small. Haha
I have a 2002 ford excursion looking to do the swap. Would you know who be interested in doing. The job
@@JoseGuzman-mr5ty I possibly could do it, depending on time frame and what not.
Do you have a list of bolt sizes and lengths that you used?
I used 1/2” diameter bolts that were 1.5” long. I reused some OEM hardware for the track bar.
What did you use for spacers on drivers side lca bracket? Some washers?
Ideally you’d want to use material the same size as the radius arm bracket. Like a full spacer. However, large washers will work.
I cut the old frame around the brackets and used it as a spacer
I got a set of 06' axles for my 99, but I also planned on pulling the cab and bed so that I could clean/ preserve my frame. So i figured why not go ahead and swap to an 06 frame while I am at it?! I will have a 7.3, 99 cab on an 06 frame and axles, I am doing doing the paint and body and electrical work as well a 2010 lariat interior w a 2016 platinum cluster
You’d really enjoy the 2001 F250 project I did. That’s pretty much what we did with that one to a T! Without the extra electrical work that you want to do. It’s a project you have at hand for sure!
@GarrettsOBSGarage i will look for the video, thank you so much!
Here’s a link to the playlist that has all the videos on that truck.
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@GarrettsOBSGarage thank you, you have really great videos!
@@alec1451 thank you!
Why not just put another sump in it? They flow better than stock. Just leave the pickup plugged up for fuel level reading and the return line hooked up. It’ll save you a lot more money.
In part 2 of the axle swap. You’ll see we did put another sump back in it, and plugged the lines on the sender.
Im looking into comverting a 99, probably an early 99, 2wd dually to 4wd and i want to use the 05-07 axles. Are the holes for the spring buckets and radius arm brackets present on the 2wd frames as well as the 4wd ?
Yes, the frames are not different between 2wd and 4wd as far as I know. The holes used in this swap were some of the original holes for the 2wd radius arms, and coil buckets.
@GarrettsOBSGarage this was originally a 2wd truck ? Converted to 4wd, then swapped to 05 axles?
No. It was always 4wd. But the holes were there if it was 2wd
@GarrettsOBSGarage ah okay. My mistake. Excellent video by the way. I'm not feeling too bad about tackling this now. My biggest hang up is going to be the drive train. Zf6 manual. I'm probably going to have to source a complete 4wd setup somewhere. I can't remember if it's a slip yoke or a flange on the stock transmission.
No worries!
Yeah, you’ll have to find a 4wd ZF6 and it’s matching transfer case. The driveshafts will be flanges on both sides. That will probably be the hardest part.
What's the difference in the brake lines?
Between 99-04 and 05-07? The whole way it’s routed on the front end.
Early 99 is extremely different from all of them though.
Do you have the exact size of the nuts and bolts going into the coil buckets? Thank you!
You can use 7/16” or 1/2”. I usually buy 1.25-1.5” long.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage 1/2” with washers on both sides and a nut on the back grade 8?
@@brianmasselli5734 yes. I use either a lock washer also, or a nylock nut. I don’t like mechanical locking nuts because of the damage they do to the threads.
Your surgical with forks on that skid.
Thank you!
Where did you buy the child buckets from
They are OEM. I got them from a ford dealership that had the best price on them.
Do you have a list of hardware you used?
I bought 30 1/2" x 1.5" long bolts for all the brackets and reused some of the original bolts from the 05+ truck and 99 truck for the track bar mount.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage Thankyo
where are you located?
Pennsylvania.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage do you know anyone in Texas who can do the swap?
@@ThePastureGarage I don't have any recommendations for you. I am sorry.
I never understood why people get a 1 ton or a 3/4 truck and get it with a short bed, you can’t do much with them other than just drive them, i’ve seen people total the back of their cab because they hit it with a gooseneck or 5th wheel trailer.
As a ex short bed only owner getting a long bed is really nice having more space back their
Drive a crew cab xlt plus with an 8 foot bed for a year or two then jump in a smaller truck and you will be like omg im free i can roam into this parking lot at full speed and act like a normal citizen and not have to park all the way in the back cause you drove titanic to the supermarket!
If it's your daily driver and you don't actually haul a crap load of $hit, there's no reason for a 8ft bed. A cclb is really long and parking is tight when almost 30' long. I like eclb trucks for actual tool carrying abilities, cause I'd just fill the back seat up with tools, anyways if I had a cc. Eclb & ccsb are same length overall, just arranged differently. 👍🏻👌🏻🤔😅🛠️🔩🔧
Other then ride quality why would somebody go thru all this trouble.
Old axle was a Dana 50, new axle is a Dana 60. Stronger steering components, better brakes, more wheel options, better turning radius, more suspension options.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage Ok makes since you made that look like you have done it a few times. Thanks again.
@@crashedking1931 I’ve done a few haha. It’s worth it in the long run.
Must be a southern truck. In the North leaf springs are where it is at if it is a plow truck. It's a truck not a caddy.
I would rather put a 7.3 in a newer truck
It’s about the same amount of work, I’ve done something like that.
Would you know anyone interested in doing this on a 2002 ford excursion 4x4
There is a possibility of me being able to do it for you. Depending on a few things.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage I’m in the process of doing a4x4 swap on my 01 f350 superduty dually which already has coil springs,I bought an front axle from an 03-04 f450 with coil springs, I know my radius arms and brake lines will have to be changed and I was thinking that the pitman arm as well but do I need to change the steering box,but what else would I have to do and or is it compatible?
@@warrenjackson4869 F450 wasn’t coil sprung until 2005. So I assume you’re using the 05+ axle. The 99-04 steering box won’t accept the 05+ steering linkage or pitman arm. The coil buckets from the 99-04 trucks are styled after the OBS coil buckets. So that also needs changed. The radius arm mounts are also different as well. It’s basically the same process as outlined in the videos for your truck.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage yeah, I was told it was either 03-04 but it came off of an HD service bed truck. I did also have the spring buckets from that truck along with the radius arms. I was just curious because your video kept saying 05-07 and the guy told me what he had was a 03-04 but I’m sure you right. We just cut his frame so I do have steering box and all.
@@warrenjackson4869 there are a lot of people who say things. But don’t have any backing behind them. The truck was probably built in 2004. As a 2005. So he said it was an 04. It’s good you have it all. Because you’ll need it all.