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Undertale - CHARA Theory [FOLLOWUP]
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- čas přidán 18. 09. 2016
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a follow up to my previous video, 'who is the true villain of undertale' (watch here): • Who is The True Villai... today we go into a little more depth with the ideas surrounding chara's personality in the game, and answer some of the questions you had from the last video! enjoy! :D
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just so everyone is aware, I made this video when I was an extremely socially anxious 17 year old with undiagnosed autism, and the resulting legacy it left on my online presence has been both bewildering and admittedly kind of terrifying! I'm glad it reached so many people who saw it as important, eye opening or meaningful to them - it's a very clunky and flawed video and is missing some nuances here and there, but of course I still stand by my valiant Chara defense passion after all these years.
if you're going to discuss this video or leave a comment in the lord's year of 2023, it'd mean a lot if you could keep in mind that a kid made this video - a kid who still very much feels very insecure and distressed about it all, has a Genuine Fear Response to the thought of looking at the comments section, and was NOT (nor am I now) in a good enough place with my mental health to be able to process or handle the amount of attention it drew to me, nor to even... "run" a CZcams channel, to be perfectly honest!
thanks!!!
Your videos are so well made and well written!! Definitely brought me some new perspectives on the game.
How is sans so powerful that he can kill human with only monster soul?
Idk if you'll see this reply or not, but your videos about Chara helped me see that they're not evil. I sometimes use the videos as background noise as I draw!
Your videos are so good I think your a really good content creator
Hope you get better :) Love the videos
*what Chara says:*
Since when were you the one in control?"
*what Chara means:*
Since when were you the one in control of *me?*
Elisibeth James I think they mean
“Go fix your problems on your OWN then maybe you’ll have control”
Faisal Lewis obviously. What else does “Since when were you the one in control” Imply?
Chara could be saying "frisk, since when were you in control?" Because frisk isn't in control, it's player.
still confused but ok
I figured they meant, "You are not control of your own want, and it was your senseless curiosity that pushed everything to ruin." They say it like the player has an addiction.
Thank god somebody else said it,chara is neither bad or good chara is just...
...Human
*claps slowly* Well said, my friend. Well said.
I'm human I crash when I fall down,words in my head l and
Knives in my heart
this comment will sit on my Gold-Screenshots throne *claps slowly*
Like everyone in the underground except papy sure he tries to "capture you" but he didn't know what happens after when a human is captured.
+Banana :v Woah I meet you again :v hello
People completing the Genocide run be like
"Yeah, Chara's a creep, they appeared at the end of the run where I murdered everyone in the Underground."
Lol
I know right I can’t believe chara would destroy the world where I murderered everyone charas so mean
" You're not really human are you... You're Chara right?"
Read that sentence and tell me this hypothesis is correct
People that say she's evil obviously haven't played the game.
@@thealmostdeadpatient7767 Oh my God like yeah I literally murdered everybody made people scared for their families Killed their freaking Family in front of them. Wiped out like 70 present entire freaking species KILLED THIER BROTHER THE ONE THEY CARED ABOUT THE MOST IN THE WHOLE WORLD WITH NO MERCY AFTER SHE REPETITIVELY ASKED "Is this really what you want? You want to cause pain and suffering and stealing the hope of all monster kind all for power?" AND MAKING THEM A SOULLESS BEAN WITH THE GOAL TO GAIN POWER FOR LIKE NO REASON Yep she controlled us and killed everyone YEP. FRISK GOOD THEY MERCY HAHAHAHAH. CHARA BAD KILL HAHAHA.
I worked in a psychiatry and we had this one patient. She experienced serious violence and abuse from her parents so in order not to cry when getting hit, she started laughing. She grew up this way; feeling shitty but never to show others her weak side, so she laughed every time she felt bad or experienced pain. Chara gives me similar vibes
When i am physically hurt i try to laugh it off and other stuff as well like to much negative emotion
(example:getting hit in the face with dodgeball on impact i laugh but i still cry during it)
i guess this is something many can relate to, im trying to be funny or positive everytime im sad, or like when im on a verge or bawl my eyes out with tears
im a natural tho
Ah yes
A smart person
Finally
Damn, she needs a hug
It has only just occurred to me that when Chara calls themself a demon, that they intentionally used the word 'demon' and not 'devil'. Significantly, the classical depiction of a demon is a servant of hell, and so when they call themselves a demon, they are implying they are subserviant to a greater evil, and you are the devil whose bidding they do.
time for amazing chest They also say “partner” you know. A partner is not always subservient.
Super Blue Toad then what if Chara was actually pointing that we, the ones who play UT genocide are the devil
The devil doesn't have a partner. Chara more likely means "partners in crime".
Oh my gosh! I just realized that! Good point...
@@firebluetoad3990 Usually in partnerships one person has more control than the other because it generally comes with more benefits. (ex. one makes the plans, the other carries them out. It's efficient and simple. Or in this case the player choosing to do genocide and Chara following through.) So Chara calling the player partner doesn't necessarily mean they view themselves and the player as equals. Just that the genocide was done by both the player and Chara. Which is probably an insinuation that both parties are in the wrong and that the player is also to blame for the route chosen) And depending on how you interpret the Bible, some people could count as partners to the Devil, such as Lilith. So in this instance of Chara referring to themselves as a demon, could very well be them implying we are the devil. I mean, we do parade around and murder multiple people they know in front of them, with no remorse. (if you choose to not reset that is) So Idk to me it's just kinda...petty(?) to blame Chara. They don't really do anything to affect your choices until after you've murdered almost all the cast, and even afterwards they give you the option to reset again. I'm not saying they're a pile of sugar but they don't really seem flat out evil. Just morally gray. So as the player we could help them lean to the pacifist side or to the genocidal depending on the route we choose. But that's just my opinion. Y'all are allowed to believe Chara's evil or a saint XD
"No one ever said Gaster was a skeleton."
No one ever said that character was Gaster to begin with.
But now it's confirmed. The mystery man IS gaster and is a skeleton. The official undertale cards merch proves that.
@@duckyfloof1272 except the Gaster card isn't in the set.
Plus, Frisk's design is different across all merch on fangamer.
The Gaster card proves nothing.
@@DisasterEnby makes sense
like yea... what if he was completely separeted with this "gaster"
Well most of the evidence shows he's probably that mystery man.
3:45
Asriel said *friend* I wish I always had, Not sibling
Asriel and Frisk were friends, Asriel and Chara were family
@GwenWatkins-kf9plyeah. And?
@GwenWatkins-kf9pl yes and so Chara is still a dreemurr
Game: "It's me Chara."
Fans: What a weird theory
A GAME THEORY!
@@liamelliott5486 THANKS FOR WATCHING!
AND CUT!!!!
Actually, it’s the figure in the mirror.
You look at the mirror and Chara says, “That face in the mirror? Yeah that’s me.”
Not saying, “yeah I like killing people I just murdered goat mom cause I’m evil.”
Asriel: I'm *the absolute God of Hyperdeath* that has killed literally everyone and I'm now trying to kill you, and I've probably also done a lot of genocide routes.
Fans: Awwww... I forgive you.
Chara: I'm a *demon* that has been forced to watch all my friends and family be murdered by someone from a race I already hated for *fun,* and I helped you save everyone by telling you things about the Underground.
Fans: BURN IN HELL, THY EVIL SPIRIT.
True Story
tbf, they're dialogue can be twisted wayyy too easily, and we're not gonna blame ourselves for killing people in a game
@@zerocrashmurilo yeah, but they still didn't deserve as much hate as they got.
@@OddballKitten true, it's probably just easier to people to have someone to blame,
to some people anway
I've seen some comments around the CZcams community saying something like this:
"OH Frisk does one genocide and THEY ARE CALLED MURDERERS BUT CHARA DOES 7 GENO AND THEY CALL THEM INNOCANT"
And I am here like, when did Chara do 7 genocides? They only kill after the player kills?
Both of you who are talking about it, you forgot Asgore
Chara kills Asgore in that ending too
(Since it’s an automatic slash)
Probably for the same reason you guys said for sans though
wot like whyy
Rainbow Donut *Just remind them that the player determines FIGHT or MERCY*
@@HakoTaco1 And still, they hesitate. They don't do anything before you press Enter or Z.
They don't want to kill Asriel, but you forces them to.
@@HakoTaco1 uh okay I was just saying, I hadn't watched that part yet when I commented, sorry
And now we have Deltarune, where people are saying that Kris is evil even though it has been depicted multiple times now that Kris is desperately trying to escape the player's control.
No matter what you do, characters say that Kris has been acting "off" ever since you start controlling them at the start of the game, so no matter how good you act you can't match Kris' personality.
Ps they ate an entire pie at the end of chapter 1 because you technically hadn't given them any food the entire time. Dark world food doesn't count for someone from the light world so Frisk must've been absolutely starving.
Deltarune, a game that makes you feel bad for playing it
I̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶a̶ ̶h̶o̶t̶ ̶c̶h̶o̶c̶o̶l̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶i̶n̶e̶r̶
And then Snowgrave rolls around...
Almsot feels like Toby is pointing qith a big hand at us more than ever isnt he?
@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard yep We are jerks
*kris, also i never thought how hungry he’d get
He just wanted a pie
There is just one minor thing you have forgotten, in both your Chara videos, that I think is worth mentioning. There is at least one thing Toby Fox has confirmed when it comes to the character Chara, and that is that their name comes from “character”. CHARActer! And the word “character” has multiple meanings, including: the mental/moral qualities distinctive to an individual. This is important to have in mind, especially when you describe in both your videos how we affect Chara with our choices, because it’s technically the character of our choices that affect them, as well as the rest of the game. In our reality, to be merciful you have to have good character...and in the game, it’s the same. If the player wants to experience a happy ending, they have to act in good character by being merciful towards all NPCs in the game. But for the player to chose to act in bad character by showing no mercy, their character corrupts Chara’s character.
FXDWF I NEVER THOUGHT THAT
Actually, this video was in 2016.
They also completely ignore the fact that floweys dialogue doesn’t always refer to chara, and the only reason it did in the clip is because the player named themselves chara, if the would’ve chosen any other name flowey would’ve used that name instead. Same with the mirror quote. The only reason it says “it’s me, chara” is because the player named themselves chara. If they’d chose any other name it’d say “it’s me [insert chosen name]”
@@randomname9291 are you forgettin g the fact that Chara is always named after the Player's chosen name? You don't name yourself you name the first fallen human. Your choice of name in UNDERTALE doesn't actually matter, and will always refer to Chara.
@@rainboe123 in true pacifist ending the player is referred to as frisk by asriel and they said frisk wasnt [insert player name] so it seems that we are not choosing our name but charas name which connects to 2 things if you put chara in the "chose your name" section it says "The true name..." and how chara is named after CHARActer
Edit: they also never directly say frisk name until pacifist too
"They were just showing Asriel the truth behind humans, that they attack and hate things they don't understand, or try to understand. Sound familiar, fanbase?" sAVAGE
Peeble Kitty Not really. Humans’ nature is not boiled down to that.
Kinda is
Reyshawn Kenny It’s really not. It’s more complicated than that.
Super Blue Toad
It isn't exactly there but it dances around that
That's obviously not the entire nature of humans, but just look at prejudice. Sexism, Racism, Homophobia, and more. Even on the internet, large fanbases are hated by outsiders. Point being, if someone finds something different or weird--or worse, dangerous--they will likely come to hate it. People can overcome that, but if you saw a monster invading your hometown carrying the corpse of a young child, wouldn't you be freaked out?
I just thought of something, so I'll throw it out real quick.
As you said, one of the big counter-arguments that people like to use is Asriel's line of, "Chara wasn't really the greatest person". They use this to show that, "See! Even Asriel believes Chara was evil!"
But now I'd like to point out ANOTHER line of Asriel's. In warning Frisk/The Player about going back to the human world above ground, Asriel says this, "There are a lot of Floweys out there." In this conversation, he is making a connection between Flowey's evil persona, and evil human beings. Where Flowey was able to be "redeemed", Asriel makes note that there are a lot of humans that CAN'T be. Just because we were able to "save" Flowey, doesn't mean we can save the "Floweys" of the human race. It's not realistic. Because they're simply evil.
But then... Why doesn't he just compare them to Chara then? If we can be so certain that his line of, "Chara wasn't the greatest person" automatically equals evil, then why use Flowey as the comparison and not Chara? Wouldn't Chara fit better? Wouldn't it be more realistic that Asriel would make this connection instead? Evil Chara = Evil Humans... Right?
No. Not right. Because Asriel recognizes that Chara WASN'T evil. Just that they were sad and tragic, and made mistakes. A LOT of mistakes. He recognized that he shouldn't have blindly followed Chara, believing that they could do no wrong. He should have been willing to stand up for his own opinions. It wasn't Chara's fault alone that they died. It was his too. Because he foolishly believed that Chara was pure and intelligent and knew everything. He could TRUST Chara. Similar to how a younger sibling trusts and idolizes an older sibling. And, what's more, if we believe in the NarraChara Theory, then we KNOW that Chara prefers to act mature, despite still being very childish themselves. Chara ACTED like the older sibling and made a point of treating Asriel like the younger sibling.
And this dynamic does NOT automatically mean that Chara was manipulative. (More on this in a moment.) Children fall into age roles all of the time, depending on actual age and personalities. (My own friend, despite being a year or so younger than me, treats ME like the younger friend and babies me. Even though we could go head-to-head in a debate, I get babied because I am shorter and quieter.) Chara truly acted the older sibling: childish but "mature", depending on the love and support of the "younger" to give themselves confidence, giving advice and guidance even if they didn't actually understand something fully.
Chara was FLAWED. And Asriel recognizes that it took him too long to realize this fact. If he had stopped being the "younger sibling" for just a moment, he would have seen where Chara's plan could fail. He would have seen that it was a BAD IDEA.
To get back to the manipulative stuff. I actually do believe that Chara was a bit manipulative. But not in a necessarily bad way. They were an "older sibling". They acted the part. As an older sibling myself, I'll admit, it is very easy to emotionally manipulate younger siblings. But that doesn't mean I do so with ill intent. Rather, I think my ideas are the correct ones, and when the younger sibling is too stubborn to listen, the only tool I have left is manipulation. Convincing them that I'm right, bribing them with rewards, telling them how upset others will be with them if they don't do something... An older sibling can get very "maniacal" if they think it needs to be done. Perhaps Chara believed that the ends justified the means? Their plan itself is evidence of this. So long as the monsters are free, does it matter how we get them out? Chara wasn't manipulative to be evil. They were manipulative because they were DETERMINED to get something important done, and they needed Asriel's help to get said thing done. There was probably a bit of desperation in this as well. Chara was going to die for this - they needed to make certain that Asriel would be on board, fully. Or else, they'd die in vain. And worse, they wouldn't be there to cheer up Asriel in the aftermath, if he failed.
Honestly, I too view Asriel's "wasn't the greatest person" comment as being more akin to Monster Kid's final thoughts on Undyne. He decides that she's mean, when she actually, really isn't. (Just passionate) Asriel is coming from the same scenario. Here's this amazing person, who is "older" than you, and can do no wrong, and suddenly... They weren't what you thought they were. Something changes. Things go wrong, and people get hurt. Suddenly, they're not as great as they were before. But that doesn't mean that they aren't still "good", they're just... not the "greatest" anymore.
And Asriel recognizes this, where Monster Kid doesn't. Otherwise, he would have compared all evil humans to Chara, rather than to his flower-self. So it's now my personal belief that Asriel's two lines, from an "Evil-Chara Theory" view, contradict one another.
(Sorry... This ended up WAY longer than I planned. ^_^")
Gotta say man, that was beautifully written. You really pulled me in, and I applaud you for that!
So well thought!! I love this so much!
This is the first ridiculously long speech I was actually interested in.
Silver Samurai026 I agree with this so much!! Chara made mistakes. She’s not evil though!
I get so annoyed when I just accidentally write essays
What we learned from this video:
-Chara isn't evil
-Papyrus can do no bad
-Cups of butter does NOT mean buttercups.
actually the video is not saying chara is good its saying there just human and not as bad as everyone makes them out to be other then that yes 100%
@@annexsis5181 Yeah, my wording of it was a little inaccurate. Thank you for the correction!
@@duck5830 well they are good but sometimes have some faults, but they try their best
@Jump Jack I did play the game. A person can be "not the greatest" and still not be evil, everyone has their flaws. Of course Chara wasn't perfect, but that doesn't mean they were necessarily bad.
@Jump Jack Sorry, haven't really been too active in the undertale fandom recently so all the stuff I know might not be the best as I dont have the best memory! I dont really wanna argue, people can believe what they want and who am I to stop them? hope you have a good day or night
Theory: the reason why Chara says “it’s me, Chara.” is because in the genocide routes, since you are giving them LOVE and filling them with hate, it allows them to see themself in the mirror, but not to you.
*You laugh, and and keep laughing.
*It's SO funny, you can't stop.
*Tears run down your face.
*...
*You are still laughing.
*...
*But there was no one to listen.
Yours Truly Laughing at what?
Super Blue Toad Your pain. Did you watch the video?
Jasmine The My Little pony I watched the video. It’s not convincing.
Super Blue Toad Well, I'm not the person so I can't confirm.
Super Blue Toad Or is it? Torino laughs at their pain
Bit late to the party, but Asriel makes the conscious decision to stay underground as a sort of "eternal vigil" over the perfect pacifist timeline.
Load the game back up, and Flowey appears, *determined* to convince you not to undo all the good work.
Just another lil somethin somethin
Charas shirt literally has the soul color of kindness and justice witch are good things, while frisk has integrity and perseverance witch are more neutral.
I think Frisk's blue color is closer to that of patience, but yeah I do agree with what you said
What color shirt would the player have the
@@dragonkidd1644Well, what shirt are you wearing right now? People sometimes forget that the player isn’t just a character in a game. It’s you. It’s all you.
@@nameman9997 red and black it is
"Just because you did something bad, does not mean you're a bad person."
-Kel, Omori
Or in vice versa -me,2021
Joke: "Omori's an undetale clone because [bunch of surface level similarities]"
Woke: "Omori was probably influenced by many of the better and less talked about themes and ideas from undertale, making it a great game for people that liked those aspects and thought a lot about them."
Hehe, my favourite quote used on this, thank you!
Personally, I think that Chara destroys the world/game to prevent you from hurting their friends and family again. Like, maybe their mentality is that it's better for the world to not exist, rather than having to watch you kill everyone again (possibly).
imasuperfangirl they're already dead erasing the world would just kill the survivers
Maybe. But why would they offer to bring it back and take your SOUL for it? If they did it to prevent you from hurting their friends and family again, wouldn't it be better if it was just gone?
I think they erased the world so that no living thing outside of the underground or the ones at hiding gets to go through the others that did not retreat did...plus why let a already broken timeline that is devoid of life exist?
Nice! I like that!
yo-im-soup That’s why I think Chara isn’t a hero or anything, just chaotic good, which makes a much more interesting story
Chara's an emotional teenager who just needs some chocolate.
They are just like me! :D
ThatRandomChannel XD 😂😂😂
ThatRandomChannel Chara is child,it latterly says so in the game "the king and the queen had lost two *children* "
Jesus Has Disconnected then why do both Asriel and Chara look like they're the same age as Frisk?
Dude chara is like 10
Honestly, I think Chara did what Sans and Undyne were unable to do: They stopped the player, once and for all, by deleting any chance of them reseting. (Though Frisk still finds a way)
You mean they stopped the player for 10 minutes?
@@user-1mc0n4us.ed-_- they stop you leaving the underground and killing all of the humans as well as the monsters
@@grappleberrycorn Now I get it. Thx! 👍🏼
@@grappleberrycorn oh I see, so even if flowey removed the option to use asgore's soul, chara decided to prevent us getting the other 6 human souls
Chara permanently killed Frisk at the end of genocide.
Now that I think about it, Chara is a lot like Susie from Deltarune. You think both of them are bad people at first, but as the game and story continue, you find out they're actually a kind person.
Me just recently having played Deltarune: ohmahgawd
I like Susie. :3
That’s why Susie’s my favorite. Not confusing like Kris, not goody-two-shoes ralsei, and not obnoxiously anxious Noelle. Susie’s just a good friend loo
Ever since I saw this theory I've liked chara a lot more and now whenever I see a comic where chara is the evil one I'm like BRUH
..... Heh
Alexandra Garcia I watched a 90 minute long Undertale comic dub/movie and Chara was the evil one and I was like ._.
Alexandra Garcia I saw a comic dub with Chara just killing for half the freaking thing I was like Rly m8
Heh wow😕 people really do hate me. Don't they
Chara Dreemer Unfortunately, they do. The biggest reason for that likely being that they just can't accept that all that shit is their fault. So they need other people to pass it off to.
Assholes...
I noticed that Papyrus was scratched out in the Did bad things category.
He's a good skele-boi c:
@AleNoConstancy no he didn't
He didn't kill you he just captured you and he even speared you!
@@marcelakocaj6634 spe-speared??!!
I know you meant spared..... XD
Mysteria Suns Well, Papyrus DID do bad things. He created puzzles to capture you, tried to sell you to a murderer that he knew was going to kill you, “MY FRIEND’S POINT OF VIEW OF YOU IS KIND OF... MURDER-Y.” And his reasoning behind that was to be popular.
Leoja Rain Quebedo He knew Frisk was going to die, but didn’t have the heart to kill them himself, and tried to send you to undyne for her to die it.
NYEH!
chara: **destroys a literal empty void with literally nothing left other than you and chara**
fanbase: VIlLaiN
tbf, there were actually a lot of monsters still in the underground, the NPCs that escaped with alphys, gerson, burgerpants, temmie shopkeeper, riverman, if you really take those in account, chara could have killed about as many monsters as the player does in a full genocide route (since you can kill a max of 119 monsters) and considering chara is the one to do the killing blow against sans, that's 1, 2 with flowey, 3 with alphys, 4 with riverman, 7 including shopkeepers, then we also have all the monsters that evacuated + all the monster souls inside the amalgamates + all the human world (if they did destroy the world, that includes the surface)
@@arkaring Difference is, Chara killed background characters and a main character, while you murdered multiple main characters and background characters, which is waaaaay worse
Lol
@@Peachy2205 Yeah but Chara did kill Barak Obama, the true main character.
@@gamingtmans6692 0_0
2:09 The fact that Papyrus is an angel will stand until the end of time.
uhh okay, i guess.
Really!? :D
*insert footage of papyrus beating you to 1 hp and throwing you in a shed*
@@WellPreparedTreeFrog
1 he gave us spaghetti and food in the shed
2 others try to kill us
3 we do not speak of that
@@thatonedudethatremindsthet1575
1. his cooking is atrocious
2. obviously
3. *yes, yes, we do*
Toby would never make a character, and just make it evil. Toby makes characters like real people. They have opinions, make mistakes, and they're naive. Of course, they aren't perfect, and the best. Chara just is well...... human. ( this was an explanation of the vid.)
SleepyWolf Non Toby Fox himself says that he want to make his characters as a real individuals(I doesn't find the link for this interview because i read that a long ago,i just know that its is somewhere in the sources of Wikipedia about Undertale)
Yeah, you forgive Azzy for like almost destroying the world so.. if you just wait a bit on genocide route chara will give you a second chance so, give her one too
Chara and the player are both nearly the same: They both did what anyone would do.
While the player would do wrong by doing genocide, they wouldn't know what was at the end, and was left curious.
Chara on the other hand did, and was left confused, but later on influenced and thought they knew what the player was doing, as if they were part of that world, and not like it was a game like it is.
So yes: there isn't a complete villain, Toby made them like real people, opinions, mistakes, and both good and bad.
And yes, they're just what they are and who they are: Human.
flowey was evil and real life people have been pure evil
Jayden C
Except he isn’t pure evil. He’s really Asriel, a scared, lonely child who physically cannot feel any emotions at all, who eventually went insane by how alone he was, who gives up his only chance of saving himself from that fate to free everybody.
If _Flowey_ can be good deep down, then it’s only fair that Chara is, too.
I don't understand. Even if Chara was evil(or a bad person), isn't the player still at fault for committing genocide in the first place? How do people not get that?
The sad thing is that even Chara said that it was the player who commited genocide. "You were the one who pushed everything to his edge" but people seem to forget that part.
Kawaii Sandwich Yeah, I don't get how did everyone get the idea chara possessed Frisk when you're the one controlling Frisk and do all the genocide.
Kawaii Sandwich yeah and we save princess peach, we are the ones that are a lawyer, the one that fight everyone at smash bros, etc
think again with these examples
my exact thoughts! It's like, "no duh WE did a genocide, we're playing a VIDEO GAME" that's kinda how it works. theres a line between whats playing a video game and whats learning morals that is super blurry in undertale
Its video game, even if there's consequences it won't affect us in real life, I can play as the devil in the game and kill every living being on earth and existence and suffer the consequence but I'm still living, breathing, walking in real life and the sadness I felt from the consequence of my actions in video game will disappear like a broken fragile memory in a day.
You: everyone Can be a good person if they just try
Papyrus: NYEH HE HE HE HE HE THAT,S RIGHT HUMENS EVERYONE CAN BE A GOOD PERSON IF THEY JUST TRY
Papyrus doesn't count
Because hes not good person
But the best person
@@ghaniKSW2 I also love how at 2:10 papyrus name was scarmbled
flowe stop mecing thet crepe fase chara =)
GhaniGaming HE IS GREATEST PERSON
@Chara Dreemurr You're awesome, you sacrificed your own life so the monsters could go free and yet the fanbase says that you're the villain, they're wrong, in reality, you just wanted monsters to be happy, and people who killed everyone blame YOU for their killing and your conversation at the end of the genocide run shows how confused you were but you have to stay determined
Chara: What is my purpose?
Frisk: I dunno, just to kill I guess.
Chara: Oh my god...
Thank goodness someone else is on the same page that Charas not evil ;-;
Agreed!
Chara Dreemurr I was already 100% sure she wasn’t she is just EXTREMELY misunderstood and have a tragic backstory and no one wants to blame the “innocent frisk” so they blame chara and her seeing frisk kill everyone doesn’t really fill them with determination ;-;
Chara Dreemurr your profile pic ._.
Chara Dreemurr no one is evil well besides undyne and asgore and asriel
Oh hello me. How goes your millennia?
Here's something I just realized...the surface is still part of the Undertale world but...the riverman said "Beware the man from the other world." People tend to think he's talking about W.D.Gaster when he said that but Gaster was originally part of that world anyways so...what if he meant man as in human, and other world as in behind the screen ? As in, the player ? A fourth-wall break doesn't seem to be beneath him, and it'd be further proof Chara isn't evil.....
For that matter, how does he even remember Gaster if he's spread across time and space, left to be forgotten by everyone ? Who even is the riverman....
DarkBeingOf NightmaresShadow the river person is the annoying dog on a stool
DarkBeingOf NightmaresShadow Actually, the riverperson says “Beware the man who speaks in hands.”
:P
Perhaps Riverperson could me Toby himself?
DarkBeingOf NightmaresShadow underplayer au already exists
That's a valid point, and tbh, when I read this, my mind went "Well, then 'beware the man who speaks in hands' might also be related to the player"
I mean, just think about it, we're using our hands to communicate with the game, no matter what controls we use alongside them. and 'man' is what we usually use as a short term for 'human', whether it be for men or women.
Chara: *destroys a empty void with nothing in it left*
The fanbase: that's a real villan! *Wipes monster dust and blood off their keyboard*
Edit: I just realized it wasn't entirely empty, there's the refugees who evacuated to the "safe place" Mettaton and Undyne mentioned but they're permanently traumatized after that anyway so it was for the best that Chara erased it.
@Double Dip ikr
Lol XD
Lol
People are just so $ (_) |○ ! ○|
Ha
In irish (my language) “Chara” is an actual word, pronounced the same as anyone who spoke Irish did too! And shockingly enough it means “friend”, how fitting.
Interesting! Seems possible that Toby might've put that in on purpose, though it might've been a coincidence.
Either way, it's pretty cool.
@@ele_abnormal It's likely due to Chara being the best friend of Asriel. It's kind of a reference in that sense.
So cool! As for me, I always loved chara and I discovered quickly enough that the name do exist and is given to girls (though for me there shouldn't be names for girls and for boys, it makes no sense)
*You Check Sans
Chara: 1 AT 1 DF
the easiest enemy
Chara is basically mocking you xd
I think she was goading you on.
𝙇𝙤
LOL
the easiest enemy
if you can't kill him you have a problem
Bro, it never stated in the game Chara is narrator. Narrator and Chara just switch places sometimes during genocide, because Chara gains more and more power.
Chara is supposed to be the shortened name for "Character"
You are the Character
You killed everyone
Chara is "the true name"
The player is the true hero/ villain.
"The demon who comes when you call its name"
Asriel/Flowey calls for Chara (you) in the game.
"It doesn't matter where, it doesn't matter when."
Because the moment you decide to kill everyone, the demon appears, no matter what.
Your actions cannot be undone, resetting is useless. Pressing a button won't make your actions disappear.
That was Toby's intention. He made this game to show that killing isn't the only way to win a game. He would spread peace in this game.
He didn't want people to get away with what they did, for ruining his intention. He spread love and you denied it.
So Chara will appear when you finish a Pacifist run after Genocide, to show you that you've been caught.
That your actions can't be undone.
Chara is a symbol to tell you that you are the monster.
The demon.
It's a role playing game. You're playing the role of frisk. Murderhobo frisk. And her partner, the disembodied chara. Really, you're not to blame for any of what happens, frisk is. The frisk who picks up the knife and stabs all those monsters for who knows what reason. All you are is an observer, playing in the shoes of frisk. Or perhaps the blame lies in the creator, who created a frisk who could do all those delightfully horrible things.
When chara takes control away, It's not you who loses control. You could erase the save files still, if you wanted to. But frisk wont be able to, frisk is a part of the game. :) Together forever.
UtrilusI know that your comment is a month old, but hear me out.
Think of Frisk as a huge robot, and you're the only one who can control it. You decided that you want to destroy a city, and you make the robot do just that. Tell me, who's the one at fault here, the robot or you?
Exactly. That's why it's wrong to blame Frisk for doing the Genocide run because YOU were the one who decide to go to that path. Just like the robot, Frisk has no control over himself.
But all the frisks exist, all those paths will keep on existing regardless if they are viewed by players. Truly, you can play and follow in any frisks steps, it's only the players choice how deep they peer into the abyss.
The robot has already done all those horrible things, you're just playing trough the record of what is past.
Why not blame the one who programmed the robot to do all those things, who made such things a part of reality?
Utrilus
"But all the frisks exist, all those paths will keep on existing regardless if they are viewed by players."
Yeah, but all those paths must have a cause, regardless if it's by Frisk or the player.
"Truly, you can play and follow in any frisks steps, it's only the players choice how deep they peer into the abyss."
That's really only assuming that the game occurs in the past which as far as I know, doesn't.
"The robot has already done all those horrible things, you're just playing trough the record of what is past."
Again, that's assuming that it occured in the past.
"Why not blame the one who programmed the robot to do all those things, who made such things a part of reality?"
Sure, you can blame the creator of the game, but that doesn't excuse the fact that you chose that path. And sure,he is responsible for all the things in the game, but he doesn't have reign over what you do in the game. You decide the fate of the underground.
You see, I believe that the game is about free will. Sure, you can kill/befriend everybody in the underground but there's always a consequence in your actions, whether bad or good.
Fun fact: the "No Mercy" run is actually the official canon name for the "Genocide" run, a name that's popularized by various people, including the fandom.
It's not that "Genocide" is incorrect, it's just a more well known name for the "No Mercy" run.
No mercy means that you just fight whoever you come across. Genocide is the one you actively go around trying to find people to kill.
@@fanficgalore9444 Well, the "No Mercy" run was actually Fox's original name for the "Genocide" run. Nowadays, the "No Mercy" run is more associated to the "Leaderless" run-or neutral genocide.
@@nindyfarrel1322 tbf, it makes sense that "No Mercy" is the actual name, since y'know, you didn't really kill everyone in the underground, alphys, amalgamates, shopkeepers, all the NPCs who evacuated, etc, and if genocide is defined as "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group" we really killed about half the actual monster population, nowhere close to the whole "ethnic group"
Where does it say that
I don’t care at all because no mercy is just like
“no I won’t spare”
And genocide is like
“Let me smell the dust of the innocent and let their blood crawl”
Just like how we call Photoshop Flowey -> Omega Flowey
I think there's also a really interesting parallel between Monster Kid and Flowey: Monster Kid stops idolizing Undyne and immediately starts idolizing Papyrus. Flowey stops idolizing Chara and immediately starts idolizing Frisk.
Here's a short summary of why Chara isn't evil:
Temmie, the artist confirms that Chara isn't evil
boom, done
OMG YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!! =D
Just Random + TEMMIE SAID IT OF COURSE CHARA ISNT BAD TEMMIE SAD SO!!! TEM IS BEST!!!
Just Random
Temmie, the artist. Yes the ARTIST not creator.
While you're right that this tweet isn't solid proof it is reasonable proof. As someone who follows Temmie on Twitter and has done for a long time now I can tell you that they tweet and respond in such a joking and chill way a lot of the time.
Artist? Not the creator? This this is not 100% proof unless tobyfox tweets that it is, so you're comment is pretty much null and void.
Here's a thought that's recently come to my mind: most people view Frisk moving forward without input on the Genocide route to be Chara taking control, but this also happens on the Neutral/Pacifist route, namely during the scene where we meet Sans and Papyrus. Also, you have no control over them while other characters, including the narrator (Chara), are talking. This leads me to believe that Frisk is only moving without input because it's part of a cutscene, in which we have no control over them, and the fact that we notice this is because it's so rare on a normal route that it spooks us when it does happen on the Genocide route. With this in mind, I don't think Chara was taking any control until the end of Sans' fight; it was just Frisk showing their aggression!
It doesn't mean Chara isn't "taking over" but I do believe they aren't bad
Frisk also moves themselves when you fight Omega Flowey
With context added from Deltarune, this gets a whoopoole new framong too
Y’know, even if Chara was the antagonist in the genocide route that doesn’t make them the villain. The protagonist is the main character, the antagonist is the main opposer. That doesn’t mean the antagonist is always the villain.
Chara es deuteragonista, y es un ejemplo de ser más malvado que Flowey y el jugador.
I have my theories on why Chara killed Flow so viciously. My favorite one is she didn't *WANT* to, and she didn't *WANT* to kill Flowey period, but because the player pushed her to do so, and she kept slashing at Flowey 1) because she was mad at the player and it was kinda one of those "THERE! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!?!?!??!!??!?!" situations (kinda like whenever you don't want to do something, but you are forced to, so you get mad enough that you get what needs to be done more than what was wanted, just so you can throw that phrase in their face) and 2) that because Chara didn't want to kill Flowey/Asriel, she kept slashing until she MADE Flowey/Asriel dust so that she wouldn't have to see what she had done anymore than needed, so, in conclusion, I think Chara killed Flowey/Asriel so viciously because she just wanted to get it over with.
Edit 1: Okay, before you comment about my bad grammar and overdramatic speaking, keep in mind I made this when I was 12 lol
Edit 2: Okay, so I have a new theory on why they killed Flowey for the player. As seen when they imply you should do the pacifist run (2nd Genocide run dialogue), Chara still has hope for the player, or at least for Frisk. It's evident that only Sans, Flowey, and Chara can break the fourth wall. They could be trying to spare Frisk from the pain on killing one more monster that's their friend?
Yes thanks for being smarter than the average in here.
Chara says after a second genocide that they recommend Frisk choose a different path in the next world
That's a really dumb excuse to say Chara is a good person. No, THEY step forward THEY kill Asriel, THEY erase the universe.
@@hentaienjoyer2627 Chara didn't kill Flowey, Frisk Did
It’s complicated.. T vT
I think that the player is really the one killing everybody. I mean, I think that the Player makes Chara make Frisk kill physically. But the Player is the only one who *wants* to kill.
You forgot about Papyrus btw, He laughs alot, and he has no friends, other than Undyne of course
Edit: Alright, I've been getting a few reply's every week or so now, and I wanted to make something clear. I made this comment 2 years ago (2018) and I hadn't really explained why this was very important to Papyrus's character.
-The theory that laughing could be a way of Monster's coping with depression: I thought about how Papyrus has no letters in his Mailbox in comparison to Sans. I don't really fully remember, but somewhere in the game Papyrus or Undyne mention that Papyrus only joined the Royal Guard to be friends with everyone. Even if this wasn't mentioned in the game, that would seem a valid reason for Papyrus to join the Royal Guard; as he doesn't have any intention of _killing_ you in his fight, unlike Undyne.
-Some are arguing that Papyrus already has friends, like Sans and Undyne. Sans is his brother, Siblings don't _have_ to be "friends", as many siblings have conflict that sometimes prevents them from interacting at all. Sans and Papyrus just have a good relationship, they care about each other, as siblings should.
-As for Undyne, I think Undyne and Papyrus have mutual respect for each other. Undyne mentions that she thinks that Papyrus is in fact very strong, but is too kind-hearted to be in the Royal Guard. The duty of the Royal Guard is to capture humans' souls (essentially killing them) and deliver them to Asgore until he has 7 souls in total. Papyrus is essentially a Pacifist, he still see's good in the player/Frisk even when they decide to do a genocide run, eventually leading to his death, (proving Undyne's point). This is especially important because it prevents Papyrus from becoming "friends" with the royal Guard. They don't see Papyrus as an equal because he isn't willing to kill a human.
-You never see or hear about Papyrus interacting with the Guard dogs, or anyone in fact, other then Undyne, Sans and (maybe) Alphys. Papyrus mentions Mettaton, but Mettaton is a celebrity in the Underground, so he has probably only seen Mettaton on TV.
-You never hear anyone other then Undyne refer to Papyrus as "Papyrus" everyone only mentions him as Sans' brother.
There, my point is proven. If you have anything to compare or contrast to the list, just reply.
And sans.
Even then he isn't sure Undyne is even his friend at first. Not in the way he doesnt consider her such, but that he's not sure SHE considers him as a friend.
UHMMHHMHM THE WHOLE SANS FIGHT IS MOSTLY DEDICATED TO PAPYRUS WHAT ABOUT HIM Sorry for all caps
NyEh NyEh HeH
He actually refers to Undyne as his boss at one point in a Snowdin phone call, so he might not even think that SHE is his friend.
Poor lonely skeleton dude. I'll be your friend, Papyrus.
See, this is the kind of Undertale theories i was hoping to see from The Game Theorists.
Mat's first one was, uh-
ech-
But his Gaster theory was pretty solid, albeit one that's been overdone.
And Austin's theory on some of the Monsters already having human souls from the war is an interesting one, it has quite a few gaping holes, and doesn't really change much of the overall story.
THIS on the other hand changes quite a lot for the story, and adds a whole new layer of depth to an already pretty deep narrative.
Yeah, I like it a lot. I just had this deep sad feeling behind "Chara is evil" like some part of me knew it could not be that simple.
Yes, Mat did some uh.. weird theories about the favorite character of everyone «sans» bc if the fandom demands it you get more likes = more money = not dying. And why he should've made a theory of this... he usually doesn't focuses on emotional/personality stuff.
@@ftfriskfiretale4007 considering the fact that earthbound is one of his favorite game, he has every right to give its relation importance, I mean, I love undertale myself, and if anyone mentions it or I see a connection of it with another thing, of course, I will dive deeper in it because it's exciting.
@Tex It’s fine if you like Earthbound, but the Sans is Ness theory is just stupid.
@@Crab-Man42 He made it to be a joke theory. He even addressed it in another video. He wanted to make a fun joke theory of his favorite games. He didn't actually believe it. He doesn't believe in half of theories he posts. They're just to bring up points, raise interest in games and get people talking about them. There's nothing wrong with it. But despite that the fandom showered him and the video with so much toxicity and hate. It was insane.
I think that Chara sort of put monsters above humans in a way. Humans treated them harshly even though they knew chara, but they were a complete stranger to monsters, who showed them love and kindness. This is why Chara went so far to save monsters. They simply thought 'i have to give these kind people their freedom', and didn't care about the effect of this on the human race, because they thought humans were BAD, or at least less worthy of living a happy life than monsters. This is also related to the fact that, as said in the video, kids are VERY impressionable. And amagine how bad they must have felt when their plant to save monsters failed! They thought they had failed against all of monsters, they were monsters' only hope! They wanted to show monsters freedom, but what did they actually show them? That they were just another evil human, that they were nothing better than the jerks who abused them! Chara accepts their role, accepts that they play the role of a HUMAN, the role of a VILLAIN. On the pacifist route, you show them that everyone deserves a second chance. You show them that their IS hope for humans, and maybe, at the end of the pacifist route, Chara might have forgiven themselves for what they did! But in the genocide route? You show them that what they already thought is true, that humans are evil, that they are MURDERERS, and they are one of them. They accept their role, but at the end of the route..... they get a new view on the idea of genocide. They see what pain all the monsters were in, and with the help of all the L.O.V.E. they acquired, they think you were showing the mosters mercy! They think you are simply putting them out out of their misery! They offer you to do that for the whole world. But then..... you decline. And what does Chara think? That you ARE just a heartless murderer. And that you SHOULDN'T get away with this without consequense. And THAT'S why they take over the game.
Geez, that was a long one, huh?
I just realized smthn, if she mean humans as in REAL world humans, and she was being abused/hurt by humans according to theories, and some (if not, most) people think chara is evil/hate chara
that’s kind of saying something-
maybe Toby knew that chara would get hate for seemingly being “a bad person”, I’m not sure though
oh I thought when you said that “chara now believes all humans are evil” you were referring to the player (which could, and is basically quite literally true- they are the murderer though), didn’t know you meant
Yeah. Chara hates most humans because most humans hate Chara.
12:49
Sans says before his fight, “Do you think that even the worst person can change?” Chara isn’t even the worst person, and they definitely do change, and try to be good. After the genocide run, since they know about your resetting, they kill you and the world either way so that your only choice is to reset. They are basically the hero, forcing you to start over.
Everyone in Undertale makes mistakes. Except for Papyrus. Papyrus is a precious bab.
He almost electrocutes a child, attempts to kidnap you and is a little to self-confident.
Zephyr Flygon
Well, he doesn't know what happens when Undyne takes you to New Home.
mc Charles
I think that's what he thinks humans eat.
Tru tru
He doesn't actually want to kill us though, he also never actually captures us. We end up being friends, he doesn't want to kill us and can't bear to see us captured. And remember that deadly trap on the bridge. Yeah that. Papyrus doesn't want to kill us, as seen by his hesitation.
But thats just what I interpreted.
I used to think Chara was 100% evil, but this theory changed my mind about him/her. Thank you.
saaaaame dude this convinced me so much
Their pronouns are they/them if you’re confused
Me to but I got a text on that app a I don't know how to spell it right so I just say a you know the app that sponsors the video that app I made a poll and it said what is Chara should you forgive there was multiple Charas and A option to forgive all but then I got a text it said why should you forgive Chara they did nothing they cannot be forgiven because they have no reason to be forgiven because they did nothing wrong so what is there to be forgiven that made me start thinking and then I thought Chara was not evil anymore
@@lydiabiggers-brookhouse9786
Their pronouns are whatever the player wants them to be, theyre androgynous for the players to self-insert themselves. Adds to the effect.
I do use "they/them" when talking about the game overall though, but people can use whatever they see them as.
Same
Also, to add on to the feeding love to chara thing. The level starts at one, meaning that chara didn't KILL anyone before the beginning
True, good point!
Me, knowing that Chara killed them self: *You’ve activated my trap card.*
@@titanictnt7476 thats why the level is 1 and not 0
@@guy-dev N-NANI
@@jayari7674 Omae wa, mou shindeiru
Here's some food for thought. Imagine you are in Chara's position at the end of the sans fight. This, absolute lunatic, just powered through a seemingly impossible fight, and made you kill your best friend. Every other roadblock was plowed over through determination, and you want to stop them. Chara didn't lose their mind and wit, *they actively used it against you.* In the dialogue at the end of the genocide run they demonize themselves, offering as a scapegoat, and uses friendly words such as partner, leading up until getting you to erase the world. They buttered you up, appeared to not be a threat, and instead of stopping you outright, steered you slowly off path, eventually putting the world out of its suffering and makes sure YOU can't harm it anymore.
But what if YOU knew what chara's going to do so you counter it with your own
@@sahilhossain8204
Sans :
"You dirty Hacker"
Chara is NOT a bad person,
Viber Gaming10 And?
Chaos Z what do u want them to say?
U feel like this sentence isnt complete... it even has a comma at the end of it.........
It’s been more than a year, and we will never know what they have to say even when we beg and cry for it. Lost to the ocean of time, thriving in obscurity, only living through others.
@@dweezildee i couldnt say that better
People just don't want take consequences What they Do in genocide run.... YOU killed All those monsters. Not Chara.
hey dude at the end of the demo of the genocide run chara said it was fun....
Jayden C Not true, they state that killing is what they’ve been taught because of your actions.
Ämpärikana True, but Chara guides you as well. Remember the kill counter? In every area, there’s a kill counter, even in the Ruins. Chara would not be so easily corrupted if the interpretation that Judgement Boy presents was how they actually are. They would most likely resist you in beginning, not help you from the very start.
Chara wait jerry???
I thought he was just one of those dudes everyone hates
@Chara can you link what temmie told that person? I need to show this to people lol-
Papy is such an angel, but don't forget that he hurt you, even if he wasn't aiming to kill. But overall he got good intentions, everybody loves him, and he precious bean. :3
We must protecc
But, then again, so did literally every other monster that saw you ever, and they had the intent to kill. Only Sans, who's keeping a promise for a friend, and Alphys, who started rooting for you by seeing you on a screen, don't try to kill you at all. Well, Papyrus never wanted to kill you. He didn't even know what would happen if he sent you to Undyne. All he knew for sure is that he'd get his dream job.
@@beanos6913 Alphys did it too
@@t-eehee7057 Alphys and Papyrus are smash players confirmed
Paps is just an innocent skeleton with a child's mindset. He just wants everyone satisfied with him.
This just made the game 2x sadder
10:58
* (The potted plant is judging
you for your sins.)
i suppose its kinda funny lol
*Heh-*
"The more LOVE you gain, the easier it is to kill"
The more LOVE you have in the game....
the more you LOVE the game...
I only did genocide because I LOVE playing this game
and so I want to see all the endings and secrets
because of how much I LOVE Undertale.
No matter how you format it...
acronym or not...
LOVE is behind the genocide runs
So what your saying is...
Toby made the game too good, and that’s the reason we did the genocide run? Huh.
no!! please-...stop... heh
Solid Love is a powerfull thing.
I can't even imagine killing all those innocent people, if Toriel didn't stop you from your genocide then Papyrus will, he is the force that stops genocide
@@CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR calm down lol i can't imagine myself doing it either but you know they aren't real people, right?
This is a very old video but, after seeing the "weird" route of Deltarune Chapter 2, I am seeing a LOT of parallels to them and Noelle (The player forcing them to kill monsters, snapping at the end, etc.).
So bassicly, we sometimes make mistakes and we can't avoid them, in other words, we are not only good, but also bad and we can't avoid it. Hate and anger are part of us.
Arion Tatsubaki Yes everyone has multiple sides to them
We all make mistakes
I think Chara is truly a good person. People make mistakes. The player is the only thing that makes her kill. She isn’t in control, you are. Anyone agree??
Gaming with Amanda14 I would be inclined to agree, but this theory doesn’t do it for me.
Yes No Maybe So Keep in mind: Chara is a kid and impressionable. They probably by then starts thinking that’s what they have to do. You’re the one who kills everyone in the end.
Maybe "since when were you the one in control" means you've become a slave to your own actions. you had the chance to turn back, but only once the was taken away do you want to change. You have made your choice, now its someone else's turn.
*slowly raises hand*
I do agree
Short version:
Chara: A small price to pay for peace
2:10 I love how our innocent cute pap is written over when we talk about people who did bad things :3
Pap didn't do anything bad, here is proof.
1. Papyrus never tries killing you. Only making you weaker to capture you.
2. Papyrus is childish and innocent and doesn't understand, that capturing a human, means they will die. As Sans tells you, you are the first human Pap has ever seen in his life, so he might not know what he is supposed to do to them. He only has to capture them, he doesn't know it could involve killing. He is chasing for his dreams, and doesn't get that he kills a human by bringing them to Undyne and get his dream to be true.
Besides, Papyrus HIMSELF tells you:
"I will then capture you! You'll be delivered to the capital! Then! Then... I'm not sure what happens next..." So yeah, he has no idea that you're going to die.
3. He is still too innocent to understand that if someone flirts with you, you do not have to date. And neither does he know that an adult can not date a child. (Plus in undertale, ages are not told. Papyrus really could be a child, like a teen or something, just really tall. And things are different in Underground anyway.)
4. When Undyne says that she will take the human soul herself, Papyrus finally understands, that the human will be killed by Undyne. He tries to protect you, as a good friend by saying: "You don't need to destroy them!" But Undyne manipulates him in, for the sake of his dream, that is so important to him.
5. It is true that Papyrus might want the job to be famous, but that is because he is lonely. He only wants friends and assumes that popularity would give him friends that he deserves. He is sad and lonely but too innocent to understand his loneliness because he has Undyne and Sans.
Now that should give you enough evidence of his complete innocence and kindness. Papyrus is a lovely character with a big heart. That is why we love him so much. Thanks, bye
*Papyrus also thanks you by offering you a plate of his finest spaghetti* 🍝
Wow that’s really good! Thx!
I agree that he is innocent and kind, and mostly none of this was his fault, but i do think he still does bad things, beating a kid unconscious and then throwing them in a shed isn't exactly the best, i do still love him though and believe he is a good person :>
i mean he almost kill you to throw you in a cage three times. that's his sinful deed
@@ehabmorsi2995 he leaves you food to heal, he just doesn't realize it is dog food.
@@RoxOn413 He leaves you food tho, and that is technically his job, at least he doesn't kill you.
it's kinda true. because when you consider it, if, we are going by chara is 100% evil, then nearly everyone would be evil. this is what Chara did-
Chara: a plan to go to the surface and kill six humans with azzie, They show up in-game to let you know they were your stats and only went along with what you did simply because they had no soul, and they even call you out on resetting the timeline just for you to kill everyone again. They yank away your happy ending because you spent one timeline killing everyone. if that is 100% evil, than...
Consider the following:
Toriel: beats you to 1-2 of HP so she can threaten to capture you, then calls Asgore a bitch for not using one of the souls to go to the surface and kill six more humans ( same as Chara's plan.) EASILY FORGIVEN.
Papyrus: beats you to 1 HP so he can join the Royal Guard, (and then call Undyne to kill you after.) and even chastises you at the end of the game for not getting to join, asking you what the point of everything was. EASILY FORGIVEN.
Sans: has the job to protecting you, but does nothing except supply items (once) and distract Undyne, and also said that he will kill if not for Tori. and even though he'll beat the F*** out of you for simply killing everyone in the Underground, he won't even lift a finger to stop Flowey from becoming a god. EASILY FORGIVEN.
Undyne: Can kill you if you don't run away, chases you in waterfall, simply because she wants to kill you, mainly to free her people so she can kill yours. EASILY FORGIVEN.
Alphys: reactivates all sorts of puzzles and puts you in deadly danger just so you can grow like her. Then she lies about trapping hundreds of mutated monsters in her lab's basement. Then she fails to mention she created Flowey. THEN she only tell you that you can't get past with out asgore soul at the very end, AND THEN she lets the Amalgamates free and allows Flowey everything they need to make an artificial seventh human soul and become a god. EASILY FORGIVEN.
Mettaton: wants to kill you just so he can become a pop superstar on the surface. EASILY FORGIVEN.
Asgore: LITERALLY KILLED OR HELPED KILL SIX KIDS. EASILY FORGIVEN.
Asriel : Agreed to a plan that got him and his adopted sibling killed, sent the kingdom into ruination, and split his parents apart ( by not fighting back, it was his fault at that point). Became Flowey (yes azzie is fully aware that he is killing people) and decided to go on several Genocide runs far before Frisk/Chara showed up. Proceeded to manipulate Papyrus and other members of the Underground just to take the other souls. Implied to have used the six souls in one timeline to kill everyone. Finally absorbs all monsters in the Underground just so they can become a god all to keep resetting the timeline because they miss their adopted sibling. Not only is Asriel easily forgiven, he is like the most beloved CHARActer in the UT fandom.
Chara: IRREDEEMABLY EVIL BECAUSE THE FANDOM SAID SO.
I wonder why people hate Chara when you take in what the other CHARActers has done. Even if Chara is evil, they only kill people after you do. (the text above is mostly copied from this person's essay, right here : www.deviantart.com/art/The-Many-Faces-of-Chara-An-Undertale-Essay-Pt4-612033208 please check him out. it is a very goodComparison of Undertale Theories regarding Chara. thank you)
xin huang know right
xin huang true i agree! (also sans threatened to kill you) just throein that out the window
you sir deserve a medal for that wall of text
xin huang To be correct Sans can't do anything to Omega Flowey, because he wouldn't be affected by the karmic retribution and considering all the attacks Flowey can do and the fact that Sans has 1 HP, he would die in a couple of seconds. Also you forgot the part when Sans litterally scares Frisk, an 8-9-? years old child instead of talking normally about what is happening.
xin huang murder not kill
''SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL?''
Chara might be seeing themselves as much more powerfull than what they actually are. They gained so much EXP and LOVE that they think they have ALL the power, when in reality, it's not true.
chara never seemed evil to me and i was kind of confused when all of my friends said that and now i have proof
Also, Papyrus makes many mistakes, but isn't aware of them.
ya but thats also present in other characters so maybe not why hes crossed off
What mistakes??
i mean, true, he does beat a child into unconsciousness and throw them in a shed with dog food, yet we still like him
@@RoxOn413 i don't think he beats up frisk into unconscious since we are still able to move on 1 he
I think the game just shuts
And we don't speak of his mistakes that is forbidden
@@RoxOn413 intentions mean a lot more than the actions. I'm pretty sure he has no clue how to care about humans (well, he doesn't even know how they look like), so he did his best, trying to guess what would the human need. I'm sure he meant the best.
Honestly, comparing him to all the other characters, he's one of the kindest and purest monsters (beaten only by Toriel, I think). I literally can't judge him
I just realized that Asriel and Chara's clothing matched Flowey's coloration.
Holy shit.
omg me to
Dun. Dun. Duun!
Wow,just wow.
Toby you sly dog.
omfg I just noticed...!!!
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KWAK ._.
KWAK ....and the humans and basically all life on earth
KWAK I just got what that meant lol
And Satisfaction brought them back
KWACK ._.
I noticehow when you finish the no mercy run chara literally says to the player that it was them but everyone still ignored it
well, chara also mentions that they thought the player and them were the same, but they realize when you do a second genocide that that's not the case "I'm chara, "chara" the demon that comes when people call it's name, it doesn't matter when, it doesn't matter where, time after time, I'll appear, and, with your help, we'll erradicate the enemy and become strong, HP, ATK, DEF, GOLD, EXP, LV, everytime a number increases, that feeling. . . that's me, "chara" . . . but, *you and I are not the same, are we?* "
I don't know if someone did this dead meme here already, but...
Chara is bad guy.
This does not mean that Chara bad guy.
i get it but i dont
@@ChaosEnthusiast Wreck-It Ralph reference.
oh
Look chara is a bad guy but shes not bad guy
@@MrAuthor3DS BRO YOU CAUGHT ME WAY TO EALIE
I learn more from here than I do at school
LpsCocoProductions Im at school now
Not in use me too
Not in use same
...how?? how does watching a theory about a fictional game character help you learn any sort of practical skill for later in life?
@@scribblecloud explain how geometry or physics going to help in life, sure it's not the same for the theory but at least we learned what we WANTED to learn.
School forces you to learn useless stuff.
I like that when you wrote the main characters, that did bad things, and Papyrus is strikethrough.😂😂😂
Of all the theories I' ve seen about Chara, yours is the best
Agreed
Let’s compare this to another undertale character: Mettaton, he does say that he’ll kill you several times but remember: he was being told by alphys to do so, sure he might be a highly sentient robot who does rebel later right before the mettaton ex fight but judging by the mental state of alphys during the event of the game he might be scared that alphys might just disassemble him to be alone or to make a new robot with hapstablook’s spirit. This is very similar to the situation with chara and the player
Am I the only one scrolling through the comments to find haters and prove them wrong somehow? Just me ok.........
Nathan TSP I’m doing that too, lol
Nathan TSP They aren’t haters, just people who disagree.
Super Blue Toad well some people just say "Yeah this is chill but CHARA IS STILL EVIL NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!" Those are haters.
Although, I think people who disagree are saying that Chara is evil soooooo.....
Super Blue Toad
That like saying the world is flat, it makes no sense.
Nah, you're not the only one-
Another Theory that almost all fans believe is that the man found in that creepy looking grey door is Gaster, though in the files the sprite is called 'mystery man', not Gaster. It's basically canon according to fans...
And him falling into the core is also a theory because it is only stated that 'he fell into one of his creations', we don't know how many creations he made but it didn't say 'the core', it said, ONE of his creations. It could be any other creation,
A little off topic there...
PinkyMagic `
that's why it's called head canon
PinkyMagic ` as much as I like that theory and I would want it to be true, it is just fannon unless Toby says otherwise, and I hate it when fans go to war with each other over their assumptions.
mercedes walt
Temmie Chang confirmes that chara isnt evil.
*BAM!*
Chara is really misunderstood. But imagine being Frisk with no control in either the pacifist or genocide run do to the player moving them, and Chara gaining lots of LOVE. R.I.P Frisk
"Everyone can be a good person"
*BONETROUSLE INTENSIFIES*
I think that In a mercy run if chara somehow came back to life or something, chara and sans would be great friends.
mmmm, it could be
Maybe.
chara and sans would be great friends!
yea true
so so so true
Chara:
I'm only human; I made mistakes
I'm only human; that's all it takes
To put the blame on me.
Don't put the blame on me.
Me:
I am so proud and its so true. :')
a random kid in my class every time i fart
isnt the lyrics of a song?
yeeee im only human!
old Undertale comics: N O P E
i love that song! =D!
Chara was not the villain of undertale, she was the test.
The game was about looking past appearances and forgiving everyone, no matter their actions.
Chara was the character put into effect by toby to test what we'd learnt, and we all earned an F
We literally just saw Chara at the end of the killing spree and thought “ yeh, dats a godamn demon kid”
I was like "yeah I deserve this I killed everyone so I deserve this." And I was still crying over the death of papyrus
Not absolutely everyone: I've seen multiple posts on YT alone from gamers who, after achieving a True Pacifist run, professed to not wanting to replay UT again.
Typically, gamers admit to making this decision only *after* reloading UT & being confronted by Aftermath Flowey (Asriel after the True Pacifist run, where he's lost his "goat boy" form) who practically begs the Player not to reset the timeline again ... but then there's a few who flatout declare that they couldn't bring themselves to even try replaying UT after seeing the true Happy Ending, knowing that doing so would undo everything they'd achieved.
All of this only further supports & reinforces the impression that Undertale is a tour de force of metacommentary which uses gaming as a lens thru which to view our ability to make 1 choice over another & the morality of how we choose vs. what we think the consequences will be.
Players: kill the whole underground
Chara takes control of you as punishment and kills for you so you can't get satisfaction
Players: omg chara is the villain how could she control us and kill everyone
Chara: BOI IF YOU DONT---
*PLAYER AINT CANON*
@@footisman2059I’m sorry, but, like, did you watch the video at all? Because the video literally explains it all.
4:12 Care about?
more like...
CHARA BOUT
oh
Don't get too frisky
Oh my GOD
YES
My god
"She has a point."
"What?"
"I'm just saying, considering their messed up family and how they were raised, they could have turned out a lot worse."
"Well then, why don't we give them a reward? The 'not as much of a jerk as you could have been' award!"
atla reference and i love it
I smell Atla
yeeeeeess
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
UNDERRATED COMMENT DETECTED
Player: "murderes the whole underground"
Also Player: why would chara do that?
The whole fandom about Chara in a nutshell
Chara: BOI-
Oh- also. I noticed something.
Asriel says: “Maybe the truth was...” before the line about how she wasn’t the greatest person.
just something else*if chara was so genocidal, wouldn't they have killed everyone in the underground and when frisk came, the underground would be empty, wouldn't it?*
marble quartz omg yeah!
This person defeated an army of haters in a single sentence. Give them a damn diamond plated medal!!!!!!
YOU SIR DESERVE A TUMBLR NOBEL PRIZE!!!!!!!!!!!
*slow clap* You my... man? Girl? Rock? Gem? Anyways, you are my hero now.
True..true..
Chara only became alive after Frisk fell so,it'd be impossible to kill everyone before that.
2:10 I love how Papyrus is scribbled out XD
Me too; that's just hilarious!
List of CHARActers who did wrong:
Toriel
Sans
Undyne
Metaton
Alphys
Asgore
Flowey / Asriel
Papyrus...Nope. :)
Zhane' the Hedgehog PROTECT THE PRECIOUS CINNAMON ROLL!
+Doggamer2074 Yeah! Cinnamon Bun is Too sweat!
This kinda irks me a little because yes Papyrus is a precious cinnamon roll and doesn't want to hurt anyone, and I may even go to the lengths of saying he's the least evil character in the game because he forgives you for killing him, but...does nothing wrong? When you first meet him, he tries to fight you, capture you and give you to the royal guard just to get recognition and popularity. Now I'm not saying he's evil, absolutely not, he's not even a bad person, he is, like you said, too precious and sweet compared to the other characters, but if we're going to point out all of the other good characters' flaws, i.e. Alphys, Asgore, Undyne, Mettaton, etc. is it really fair to say that Papyrus is completely innocent when he does fight and try to capture you?
***** YOU'RE WELCOME!
11:43 no one ever said that was his body, it’s called mystery man in the code
that one picture xD
player: you should kill
player: WHAT THE HECK WHY'D U DO DAT
player: THEY DID IT
xD
Chara's just angry that there was no chocolate.
lol
Maria Luz BRUH IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY DONT SAY ANYTHING
ITS NOT FUN💔😭
Maria Luz I became frisk when they killed everyone in search for cheese
dude...not cool...
Lizzy Bartlett
I think I see you in every one of these comment sections.
The reason everyone believes Chara is evil is because we refuse to accept our actions throughout the game. We don't want to think about the fact that we, the players, have chosen to inflict pain on the characters. As gamers, we're so used to only being the heroes of stories, so when the idea comes up that we could actually be the villain, we deny it because it's a foreign idea to us, and instead push the blame onto poor Chara. And fact is, regardless that Chara takes control as the game progresses, regardless that they may make decisions without us, the no mercy run is still entirely our responsibility. Why? Because WE are the ones that decide to keep going. WE have the power to reset - not Chara. WE could stop and end the route and do the right thing whenever we want, but we don't, and that's why Chara keeps following us, because we teach them that violence is the answer.
so true... ;~;
As a Not-Chara-Supporter, this is completely false. As I've said to previous people, I don't understand why chara supporters assume we hate Chara because "oohh we cant live with the fact that we killed a pixel monster ooonooo" Like, what? I played Undertale, I 'chose a Genocide' and you bet your ass I killed those characters. But guess what, I STILL SEE CHARA AS EVIL. I won't go into depth as to why, because it won't change your opinion and that's fine, but for everyone who says that we can't see Chara as a good guy because we just haaaveeee to blame someone is stupid.
So you assume we hate chara cause we can't accept killing scripted monsters who have mo free will and with false personality that makes them falsely feel like a human?, okay.
Maya Goosmann I don't find this argument very convincing, and I think Chara is good. In the Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic series, one of the games reveals that your character was the bad guy all along, just brainwashed, and granted you can continue to be good, yet you don't see people blaming another character in that game. Though this is a different series, it is in the same genre.
Very good possible psychological reason. It is true.
Me: HEY CHARA!
*Chara turns to face you*
+What?
Me:*holds up a sack* TAKE WHAT YOU DESERVE YA SON OF A GUN! *throws a sack at them*
+ WHAT THE?!
*a huge collection of love comments and badly copied mercy buttons fall out and buried them. You cackled at the sight*
TAKE OUR LOVE KID!
Somewhere somehow 😂 oh my gosh this is underrated
Toriel: You are a good person, my child.
Papyrus: YOU CAN GET OVER THOSE BLAMING HUMANS, HUMAN! I BELIEVE IN YOU!
Undyne: Yeah! Be tough! Like me!
Alphys: I know y-you are a g-good person!
Mettaton: Oh yes! You're sure to knock them dead! Figuratively, of course!
Sans: you're not too bad, kid. you can really stay within CHARActer!
Asgore: Chara! You have to stay determined!
Papyrus, only now realizing that Sans made a pun: GOD DAMMIT SANS!!!
@TitanicTNT @Clare Helfrich @Valira Ivy
Chara gripped the notes and chocolate managing a wobbly smile, biting back any tears. "You guys...I..." They paused to wipe their cheeks. "And here I thought Azzy was the crybaby...thank you..."
this is so underrated and lovely.
Me : *gives chara all the love and attention they deserve* you deserve happiness chara :')
I think the concept that Chara not being just pure unbridled hatered and evil works considering flowey/Asriel and how even he attempts to push you towards a better ending.
Not to mention how Toby wrote the other characters, I really doubt he'd just make a 1 dimensional "evil because they are the spawn of satan" character and they are soley to blame. The message of the no mercy run is how it was us pushing ourselves to keep going even though there is no need to do it. Sans calls you out on it too, saying you're just doing (the no mercy route) this because you're looking flr that last piece of dialouge, character, etc.
Undertale presses the player who pays attention to go down a Pacifist route, gults you for a no mercy, and punishes you if you complete it.
The idea that Chara is the sole representation of evil really doesn't make sense to me anymore.
yea
To be fair, Flowey trying to lead you on the path of good was just a ruse to get everyone in one place so he could steal their souls and become god.
@@titanictnt7476 Yes, but its still works with the good ending. Its in similar tone of "evil villain twirling his mustache and explains his master plan for the hero right before they escape." While this is a very old and common mechanic for many stories that has verged on the point of cliche, that Austin Powers is a parody of the whole dichotomy of the antagonist and protagonist.
Toby did it so well it doesn't even seem like that old trope until you look deeper beneath the surface. Even then its more nuanced, the only reason flowey is evil is because of his lack of a soul, and pushes you away at the end of the game, knowing what kind of monster he'll become once his lack of a soul changes him. Chara and Asriel both are developed characters (technically since most is fan headcannons with snippets from the game) so it technically isnt even following the cliche bad guy trope.
No wonder Chara hates humans. HUMANS CALL CHARA EVIL.
*says quietly* not me
This is really inspiring...
"They aren't bad, they just did bad things..."
Like, you know, EVERYONE
Edit: Let me clear things up. I'm not saying that everyone is good and just made a few wrong choices, I'm saying that not everyone is bad. Chara, for example, isn't evil. There are mean people around, we all know that, but don't say that everyone that made a mistake is mean, okay?
***** that's actually true
i love papyrus.
even people in real life so these things. but we want to perceive them as bad. no one's a bad person, we all just make mistakes.
Joseph Payne I didn't say that everyone is good and just made mistakes. What I said was that everyone makes several mistakes and bad things, but maybe they didn't mean to do those things. If you choose the path where you only hurt others without reason, for example, then you're bad. If you never meant to hurt anyone but ended up causing sadness or destruction, then it's okay, you're a normal person that made a mistake WITHOUT MEANING ANY HARM.
Joseph Payne Chara did the things they did to save monsters. Even if their choices weren't the best, they did it for a good cause. Plus, they only killed one person: themselves.
8:19 something interesting about this is that DELTARUNE CHAPTER 2 SPOILERS
In the snowgrave route, we see almost EXACTLY THIS happen to Noelle after Kris's, no, the player's influence.
Man, I was gonna say the same thing! Still, though, there's something I can add to this. You know how there's 6 chapters and 6 other characters in Alphy's classroom? (minus Susie and Berdly if he's actually dead in the Snowgrave route) Well, what if Noelle keeps on killing the others during those 6 chapters, one for each one?
Another that may or may not be a coincidence, there are 6 souls (plus Frisk's/Player's soul) that appear in Undertale right? Well, what if each soul is connected to each character? Might be a stretch but who knows?
@@sunny15300 wait, aren’t there 7 chapters? Maybe that last one will be a chapter about breaking free
@@MantaKizaemonFTW Chapter 1 already passed. So, it doesn't really count.
@@sunny15300 you could say that was the determination chapter maybe
Wow. I’ve never gotten this much attention before.
Thank you.
You’re my favorite character too! Apart from frisk. =)
= )