George you have come up with one heck of a cartridge in the 6.5 PRC and not just for precision rifle shooting the extra 250 FPS over the 6.5CR makes a lot of difference . Over all my years of hunting 13 -80 =67 years I have never shot a harder hitting round . It’s as flat as a 25/06 or 270 and hits like a magnum . I have reduced my arsenal down to two rifles both Christensen Mesa’s the 6.5CR and PRC . At 80 I can not do much tromping around the woods I just sit over bean fields and can no longer be very picky on the deer I shoot . I can say that after three deer kills the accuracy of the rifle cartridge combination is fantastic so disregard the naysayers , the larger weight for caliber and high BC using 6.5 mm bullets is the way to go . For moose or grizzlies it would be 300 PRC time but not many of us get a chance to hunt them any more . Keep on doing your thing George I for one appreciate your work !
Yes yes yes! Someone with enough professionalism and understanding of the range of skill set and knowledge of the target audience to explain what PRC meant!
Apparently a lot of low IQ people, like Ray Blackburn, are having a very hard time grasping the concept. “I can shoot my 7-08 3300fps with 100gr”. Well good for you Ray. But considering the entire point of this exercise is to launch heavy-for-caliber, high BC bullets at reasonable velocities, one can only assume you slept through a lot of classes. Try comparing apples to apples. The BC of your 100gr 7mm bullet is under .400. Good luck using that in a prs match. Now try loading your 7-08 with a 180gr, long ogive VLD style bullet that has a BC around .650-.677 and you have a long range bullet, but not a long range rifle because your velocity tanks, which is why in 7mm guys use magnums like the 7mm LRM for prs. But wait, you won’t ever find this out because you can’t even fit that case with the long ogive bullet into your Savage 7-08 magazine without seating it half way into the case! Are you starting to see what GA Precision and Hornady were trying to do? They weren’t trying to get maximum velocity. They were trying to get a long, heavy, high BC 6.5mm bullet to 3150fps in a short action rifle. For all the other wizards out there saying it’s just another 264 Win Mag- well good luck finding a 264 with a twist rate that will stabilize the 143gr VLD bullets. Being that SAAMI mandates a 1-9” twist for 264 WM, it ain’t gonna happen. You’d have to custom build a 264 with a 1-8” twist to stabilize those bullets, and then it would shoot them faster than the PRC. If you’re having a hard time figuring this out, think about the bullets first. It’s not about max velocity, not a drag race, that was the game 30 years ago. But then someone figured out you could move a high BC bullet at moderate velocity and significantly outperform a light weight bullet at max velocity when shooting at longer ranges. If you’re going to respond, at least try to understand the subject you’re responding to. Reference some of Gunwerks literature on the subject if you want to get educated. I’m not defending Hornady, or saying what they’ve done is perfect, but I do understand what they were trying to do, and it has nothing to do with half of the comments on this thread. I have no doubt Ray bitched about the 300 PRC, saying “it ain’t no 300 Win Mag”. Well you’re right, try finding factory 300 Win Mag ammo in 212-220 gr VLD bullets. Or load some up like the PRS guys do, and try to fit them in the magazine of your factory Tika. You can’t? Ah hah! Well Cooter, maybe Hornady just created a product you can buy off the shelf, that will allow you to shoot the same loads the PRS guys shoot, without having to hand load. They also got it SAAMI approved, so pretty soon you’ll be able to buy a factory rifle with a magazine/chamber sizes to fit these loads. Up until now, if you wanted to get into this game, you had to have a custom rifle, or custom ammo, or both. Are you starting to understand what Hornady did? They just opened a door that, until now, had been closed to most people. But what do they know, you can get 3300fps with a 100gr 7-08, so pee on them
7LRM in PRS??? Nobody that’s competitive uses any sort of Magnum cartridge in PRS. 6BR, 6 Dasher, 6X47 Lapua, and their 6.5mm equivalents that is all. Unless they are shooting a .308 only class.
I realize this is an older video, but, I still would like to say, that the past 2 years has been a blast playing with the 6.5 PRC cartridge, out of a factory Ruger RPR, with no major mods, other then adding accessories to the unit, like a kitchen sink, but other then that, just a factory built entry level affordable rifle system, that would help me get into this PRS sport, which it has and I have been LOVING EVERY STEP OF IT. There has been many YT channels that also have helped me learn the game and with the more info I learned, the more confident I became to find the courage to go and compete. So what if I come in last place, How cool is it that I am at least competing, and I have met some of the worlds most amazing people in this industry. The only complaint that I have, which I hope will stabilize in the supply and demand gameshow is the 6.5 PRC brass. I have a wonderful selection of powders, projectiles of various brands, types, weights, I even have well over 20K primers, but, no raw never fired brass. I keep an eye out on Hornady's offerings, Peterson's, Lapua's, ADG's websites for release dates of their production of raw building materials and have been waiting for 2 years now? Other then the 250 to 280 rounds I purchased back before the world went nuts, in the Hornady Hunter series 147gr's ELD-X factory loads, that is all I have to build with. and would like to keep 60 to 80 rounds as factory hunting loads for hunting purposes for the next few years, but, a single match can burn off a box of 100 just like that, in two shakes of an Ox's tail. My brass is getting pretty tired and I speculate that I may have less then 3 to 4 more reload cycles left on those, as they have already been reloaded 6 times already. I am doing my best to stretch the life of what I have out... But, of the 27 gun supply stores in my state that I stop at on a weekly to bi-weekly basis, or at the bare minimum, call to check, NOBODY has seen any 6.5 PRC brass in 2 years or Hornady factory ammo in either HUNTER or MATCH. Yet, I see several suppliers have a back stock of 100 box, to 50K boxes of .270, 30-06, even back stock of 243 and so many others larger calibers, so brass doesn't appear to be the issue, heck, my local Sportmans Warehouse has 900 to 1000 boxes of .50BMG precision stuff, LOL. so again, brass isn't the issue, not when they are stamping out the match grade .50 BMG cartridges in the 10 round packs. as there isn't enough room on the store's sales floor to show case all that. No .300 PRC and no 6.5 PRC. I am starting to wonder if I made a mistake with going this route with the PRC series. I suppose you win some and lose some, but I do not like to be tricked. Please note, all is stated kindly, But, some things just do not add up as to why the 6.5 PRC has not been seen is 2 years, yet, I keep seeing the production cycle of other cartridges run through now I think 2 times now on the oddity stuff, and many other more common ammo stock, sure, that is a never ending flow, as it is heavily demanded. 284 seems to ship weekly too, not in large pallets worth, but in a case or 3 per week, and that has been going on for months, to the point, that stores have to keep 99% of it in the back as there is no room for it on the sales floor shelves slot areas. Lastly, I have seen it being sold on two websites.. HELL NO, am I gonna pay $300 for a box of 20 rounds. I won't pay over 50 a box on line. not when I use to buy a box for $34 bucks. I will buy a new barrel and swap over to another format and the PRC series can take a hike. I like it, but, I feel like I have been forgotten about. likewise the other guys who are playing with the 6.5 PRC series, there is only about 60 of us in Northern Indiana that I know, I am sure there is more then that, but I am just saying of the guys I know, we all have been left out to dry. That is only about $200K to $300K worth in rifles that nobody can play with.. never mind the building supplies each of us has in hopes of brass or factory ammo. Okay, I feel better now.. I can go back under my rock and hide now...
I am currently on the fence looking at the 6.5 SAUM, 6.5 4s and the 6.5 PRC. George answered all my questions, so it looks like I'll be building a 6.5 PRC as my antelope/deer rifle! Thanks George!!
The SAUM "can" out perform the PRC on paper......but have you seen what it takes to make 6.5 SAUM brass? I'm sure by now someone is making bulk 6.5SAUM brass but it ain't gonna be cheap or easy to find. The last question I ask myself when considering a cartridge is.... am I gonna be able to feed this thing with off the shelf ammo I can physically walk into a big box store and buy in a pinch? I think going prc is a good idea.
I also love the 7mm-08 . I have a 7mm-08 Ackley and it is awesome but I think I'm going to build the 6.5 PRC just because I have an action and barrel laying around . I have a 25 inch barrel on my 7mm-08 ackly and I am hunting with a 140 grain Nosler Partition. My muzzle Velocity is right at 3000 fps. With the 25 inch barrel and being a Ackley really helps . I think I'll build the PRC and take up long range target shooting. It looks like a lot of fun on u-tube videos .
@@jcarry5214 Just drop the belted cases BS...if that was such an issue the cartridge woulda died out yrs ago. Before CZcams it was never talked about....folks knew what the casing does but they didn't blow smoke up everyones azz to scare them away because SOMEONE has a friend that said its trash!
Im glad to see the RCM platform adapted to another capacity and a whole new platform for it. IMHO, the RCM should be a mil-spec cartridge for the advantages it brings with it. Honestly, when you're living around a 14 all day, it gets to be a burden. Then 223 became the most used and that really put a hurt on those guys on the ground from longer range cartridges. RCM should have been issued for the lighter weight with shorter barrels and superior BC to 308 for troops. It's a real shame, it really could save more lives, but this cartridge sounds like the RCM little brother. I hope it goes where the RCM didn't! Good to see you developing another, superior platform again!
I have a buddy with a bone stock ruger precision rifle in 6.5prc and with factory ammo he's seeing a standard deviation of less than 12fps. I seriously thought the chronograph was broken. An SD of under 15fps for hand loads is pretty good.....under 15fps with factory ammo is almost unheard of.
6.5 PRC in a Tikka will give you slower velocity, especially with the longer bullets. I average 2790 fps with 143 eldx from my Tikka with a 24" barrel. The same day my Winchester XPR, 24", was giving me over 3000 fps. 127 LRX are not as bad, about 100 fps slower.
My bergara premiere ridgeback 6.5prc topped with a nightforce atacr 5x25x56mm does it for all my scenarios i cant complain either with using factory eldx 143g shooting 0.418" under a half a minute what more could you ask for
Being from Texas, this round is great for the game here. I doubt I will see a bear, but I bet this will have no problem stopping it. Aim small, miss small...
Has this case been looked at with a 30 cal before? Would be kind of a hotter 308 in a short action and could send the 190 to 210 grainers much better. I’ve sent 208 grain ELD in my 308 at 2550fps. I’m a huge 308 fan and 30 cal fan. I am actually getting a 6.5 prc but man I’d hop all over a version of this in 30 cal if someone did it. Would need to push projectiles faster and still be efficient to be worth it. But I know there are guys out there that can test all that.
The 6.5x284 most common today is the Norma designated one with a max COL of 3.2" which makes it a long action cartridge. It's not a SAAMI designated cartridge. There's a number of wildcat 6.5x284 Winchester guns out there with much shorter throats. It's popular more so with handloaders than people buying ammo. If you look at ammo prices at Midway, the 6.5x284 ammo costs typically between $55 to $75. It also has a rebated rim that's a hassle to manufacture and is harder to make feed and function in a wide variety of rifles. The 6.5 PRC is made for the long, heavy 14-147gr bullets but has a COL of less than 3". High performance ammo is available to non-handloaders and it costs $36-38 per box.
This is a whole class above the 260/6.5 CM/6.5x47 Lapua/6.5x55 cartridges. It's going from a standard to a magnum cartridge. Yes, it has a similar velocity to the 6.5x284, but that is not a SAAMI standardized cartridge. The Norma designated design has a max COL of 3.2" - long action. It also has a rebated rim. For handloaders and long actions, it works just fine. The 6.5 PRC is built from the ground up for the long 143-147gr bullets and will allow non-handloaders great options for shooting, in addition to handloaders.
For the casual hunter who may only five 500 rounds thru a rifle in 30 years, this caliber seems as perfect as advertised; but what about the guy that fires 500 rounds per year? Similar case capacity cartridges that produce similar velocities have throat wear issues. Has Hornaday produced as “acceptable” barrel life forecast. Additionally, 8 twist resistance against that volume of gas can produce bullet “skid” issues. Has Hornady produced tougher bullet jackets for the favored projectiles?
Nobody is going to make 6.5x284 norma ammo in the US. It's not saami spec because it's to close to the 6.5x284 Winchester. To many law suits waiting to happen.
Gunnar Wretlind a few people make it but it’s too complicated of a situation for hornady to go all in on because it’s not consistently chambered the same (Norma/win). There is a gunwerks podcast explanation of this that does it really well. 6.5-284 is a fantastic cartridge, this is essentially the same thing in a short action that you can walk into a Cabela’s and buy 20 boxes of match from hornady and shoot bugholes
Under hunting versatility, he mentioned that the round has 2,000 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards. Which 6.5 PRC cartridge does hornady make that does this?
When will the release of the 6.5PRC be out? Will there be brass as well being released for the 6.5PRC for reloaders? I have a burned out 6.5X284Norma and I'm looking for something just slightly faster and this sounds like a winner with 143's or some 147's.
If only Hornady could develop a new round based off the 30-06 necked down to .277 and get SAAMI to spec it for a 1:8.5 twist barrel! Perhaps they could move the shoulder forward and make it steeper so say 270 win rounds could still be fired in the same chambers. But who on earth would want that?
George, thanks. I’m planning to use the 6.5 CR for PRS and hunting in Montana. What’s the deal on magazine length vs optimal COAL? Can I get a 10 rd mag option in the short action set up? Thanks, Jeff
The 260 isn't efficient in a short action with long bullets, and it's performance is comparable to a 6.5 creedmoor. Not even close to the 6.5 PRC. The weatherby and 264 mags are long action rifles.
@@mausermongerkoziczkowski8104 I didn't say it couldn't be accurate. I said it wasn't as efficient as a creedmoor case or a prc in a short action. The 260 case forces a 147gr eld bullet further into the case taking away powder capacity. If a person wants to shoot ELD/VLD bullets in a 260, it'll work better in a long action.
Big deal, as soon as the .300 RSAUM was released in 2001 it was necked down to form the wildcat 6.5 RSAUM. George has his own version(s) 6.5 GAP 4S and so did many others with variations in the throating, lead angle, neck diameter etc. Hornady has worked closely with Ruger on the development of .300 RCM and other cartridges (.30 TC etc.) that's why the parent case for the 6.5 PRC is from the .300 RCM and not RSAUM cases.
I think it's popularity will be limited in that it will not work in an AR-308 platform. It's simply too long to fit the magazines. I have a Creedmoor AR and a 260 AR and in order to get close to the lands I have to use all the space that the most roomy magazines allow. The 6.5 PRC is a little longer, so it would need a custom action to work on an AR platform. Of course the AR was not his design objective, but since ARs are so popular and selling so hot, this cartridge will miss out on that market.
why would george gardner premote a 6.5 prc when the 6.5 gap 4s thats named after his company, g a precision, can do everything if not a little more than the prc?
I think its great. And i know for a fact the seekins havak shoots em in the same hole with facory 147 eld match ammo. Saw it for myself at seekins' range. So for all u naysayers out there, opinions are like assholes...everybody has em and they all fuckin stink. And for all the negative commentors out there I bet vegas odds you dont shit from shinola. I wish comments on youtube were all disabled
The 6.5 PRC looks like a good round but after further review using Hornadys own ballistic charts that you can look up on line it appears that this new cartridge doesn’t really stack up against the good old 300 win mag which shoots a heavier bullet faster and flatter with more down range energy. So why would I switch to something new especially in these times of ever increasing difficulty in getting Ammo?
Everyone seems to be trying to reinvent the 270 win! And there reason is less recoil if you need a hunting round you are probably not going to shoot More than 20 rounds on a hunting trip.My advise learn to deal with a little recoil.
It's not the recoil, .277 bullets suck for long range shooting compared to offerings on the market. Better off to go either direction to 6.5mm or up to 7mm. The only reason they didn't catch on until now is "oogah boogah metric system scary".
Justin Peck Your logic is not making sense to me. 7/1rhousandths of an inch is not even half the thickness of a sheet of paper to go from .277 to .284 (7mm) The British designate their cartridge by bore diameter while in America it’s groove diameter. Just before ww1 the British were in the process of converting to the .275 Rigby. Thats the bore diameter the groove dia is usually another.008 so right around 283 or 284. When Winchester brought out their famous round in l believe it was 1925 or so they didnt want to people to get it mixed up with the Rigby so they went with .270 bore dia. and .277 groove or bullet dia. I call it the skinny seven. Extremely flat shooting powerful rd. very efficient aerodynamically. Remington came out with the .280 which is a .284 bullet on a .30/06 case basically another excellent cartridge but they were too late because the .270 win. by this time was solidly established and gaining in popularity by the day. Today you can find this cartridge and rifles for it anywhere same as .30/06 which is actually my choice because it’s a bit more versatile. The .270 is abit flatter shooting the difference is only about an inch at 400 yds. which means nothing to me at least because l don’t shoot from the road l actually get out there and hunt and l like the heavier bullets. To say that .270 or .30/06 are not accurate or flat shooting enough tells me that you haven’t done all that much and you have been duped by the big manufacturers ad campaigns. Gotta keep that cash register ringing boys lol😂🇨🇦🤠
Ok so the 6.5 PRC travels 200 to 300 feet a second faster then the 6.5 creedmoore and both are 0.264” bullet diameter . bullets . According to Hornadys reload books the bullets for both are listed under the same item number . So congratulations you managed to reinvent the 264 Winchester magnum!
@Paul I got a Sauer S 100 6.5 PRC I also have a 30-06 that is almost is a doctors appointment after you go out and shoot a half box of shells. I am getting on and just passed the 30-06 and a 300 Winchester H&H the 30-06 kicks less than the 300 I bought the Sauer S 100 and put a Leupold 6-18X40 CDS on it . Whoever said these things kick hasn't shot either one of these guns. The Sauer with the Leupold is a tack driver with very little kick
Not a semi but I just bought one for $429 plus tax brand new Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC from Academy sports+outdoors. It's very nice, the fluted bolt and barrel make it light and stylish. I couldn't shoot out the barrel in my lifetime, semi would be barrel eater.
who shoots long range with a 7mm at 2800 fps? What bullet and cartridge? You have to get a 162gr 7mm bullet to match a 143gr 6.5mm bullet in BC and SD. It's not going to happen in a light weight short action rifle.
@@brianchambers1891 6.5x300 is in the class of ultra magnums, is near 100gr capacity, is belted, and requires a full sized magnum length bolt and action. 6.5 PRC is based on RCM, is around 69gr capacity and is a Short Action Magnum. Obvious difference as well is velocity, recoil and barrel life. Weatherby will kill barrels and won't be comfortable to shoot in PRS competitions which is what the PRC was designed for.
Ok here's the blanket statement of blanket statements. Almost every cartridge with weatherby behind the number is a barrel burner. They are the crazy genius nextdoor neighbor who puts a blown Chevy 502 in a datsun pickup. Is it awesome....absolutely, is it practical absolutely not. It's like they have it wrote on the company's manifesto "if it ain't over bore it's a bore" Weatherby is awesome and they make some awesome cartridges like the 30-378 and the new 6.5RPM but factory ammo is difficult to find and when you do its expensive.
What is the obsession with short action cartridges in a hunting rifle? Think about it. These guys are just bored and wanting something different from long proven rds like .270 win. and a dozen others.😂
Randy Schaff You are right! But this cartridge was made in mind for the PRS guys, who can’t or at least don’t want to shoot a match of 200 rounds with a long action magnum.
Two Niner l am not talking long action magnum l am talking standard long action .3006 length action. Long action “magnum” is for cartridges like .375 h+h. Thanks l enjoy the exchange.🇨🇦🤠
Half a pound mostly. Considering most guys that get crazy lightweight hunting rifles pay $130 Cdn per ounce of weight savings when they start going to titanium, choosing a short action cartridge just makes sense. Easy weight savings. For competition shooters it's faster to run the bolt on a short action. Short actions are also inherently stiffer which helps the rifle stay consistent when it gets really hot firing 200+ rounds in a day. For inside 400 yards your not buying anything the .270 wouldn't do. For further than that you're losing out because there's a serious lack of long heavy for caliber high BC .277" bullets on the market. You're better off going down to a 6.5mm cartridge or up to a 7mm cartridge. It's not really earth shattering but what it is, is a modern cartridge designed to shoot long heavy for caliber bullets very efficiently, maximize fps per grain of powder burned. It's like comparing a .308 to a .30-06. the .30-06 has more overall horsepower but it burns more powder per fps compared to a .308. I did a lot of looking at this and the 300 PRC when they first hit the market and when you look at "how are they different" they do fill a small niche in the market quite nicely.
Depends on what you're doing. If you need that last 100 fps and are willing to give up half the barrel life, very little factory ammo, etc etc-- then sure, go with the 6.5-284. It is interesting however that the F class guys who invented it no longer run it. Why? Barrel life, and straight .284 is easier to tune to the accuracy they need.
The 6.5 X 47 Lapua is a more efficient cartridge than the 6.5 Creedmoor. Don't let anyone tell you any different. Look at it's track record for winning in competition. And accuracy records. I shoot one in F-Class and wouldn't trade it for any 6.5 Creedmoor.
In short actions.... 3150 fps.... What ever x's 2! You guys should articulate the whole package needed to kill deer and elk, especially at distance. Look up Nathan Foster. His standards won't steer you wrong.
I guess there is nothing in firearms cartriges that can be improved at this time. You name the caliber and it´s been done and there are at least 10 cartriges that do the same since WW2. I want a 4500 fps 7mm 175 - 180 grns cartridge that I can shoot whithout extreme barrel erosion, In a standard lengh bolt action or a very accurate semi-auto in a 8 pound gun. That would be a a real improvment. Remember 22-250 and the 220 swift eons ago 4000 plus fps. Hot rods of their time. Roy Wheaterby did a remarkable job , but today there is no real improvement. Change the name, shorten the shell, make it thicker, RUM cartriges great, but Wheatheby did it 50 years ago.If I can get into bow hunting range I can kill any game you can think of with a .22 Lr behind the ear. Enought to do the job ? Yes, but there is a better and relliable cartridge for it. What about the 1000 yds do everything small calliber cartridges ? A long time ago a fella Bell culled hundres of ellephants with a 7x57 mauser. The new 6.5 mm would be a better choice today
Elmer Fudd good for you your ballistics in a g1 is like .480 compared to a .630 g1 135 a-tip bullet that’s is traveling almost the same velocity out of the muzzle hmmmm...
Ha Ha all these numbers mean nothing to me simply because l keep all my shots on game within 400 yds. As a matter of fact l have only shot ONE deer at 300 ds. in some 50 yrs of hunting. I can easily get out there with a .30/06 and a decebt 165 gr. bullet like a Hornady sst. I shoot a magnum cal. only because l want that muzzle energy and a decent sized bullet. It gets the job done quicker and better. This is a living breathing animal put here for our use. It is not some target to be SHOT AT.
The 6.5 PRC was designed for more than just hunting. It really excels in the long range shooting competitions like PRS. With that said got to love those SST's for hunting.
Hornady Manufacturing l am old. I have basically used nothing but that good old Hornady 180 gr. Interlock flat base in my .300. Accurate flat shooting expands AND hangs together gets through hoth front shoulders busts everything up and results in a good blood trail which l have never had to follow very far if at all. Also reasonably priced which lets me practise on the range and also out in the pasture. I shoot gophers with it to keep sharp for moose. My trusty old M77 40 yrs now and it has a Leupold 4x scope on it. I hunt for meat. This competitive shooting is very interesting but not my cup of tea. I am NOT talking anybody down. Hornady makes great old hunting bullets reasonably priced for Old Timers like me . I know what works and what doesn’t boys. Get close make the first shot count. Keep shooting it until it quits moving thats the best kindest way to do it.🇨🇦🤠
Im not seeing a reason to switch to this me too cartridge and it undermines hornadys credibility. 6.5 breedmoor was touted as the 6.5 unification cartridge and hornady told us just 4 years ago that we would never need to have any other 6.5.
We did? Where? This is not an attempt to replace the Creedmoor, we love that cartridge. There are, however, shooters and hunters that want more velocity/energy than what the Creedmoor offers but still want accuracy and shootability.
Hornady Manufacturing Dave has said it in a million interviews, he said it at camp perry and almost said the same thing in your previous video. czcams.com/video/Fr2fXhVcY78/video.html I talked to him before about it unifying the wildcats so anyone could buy the ammo off the shelf instead of the large investment in reloading stuff. I was fine compeating with another caliber but recently switched to the 6.5 creedmoor for 3 gun and action rifle. You guys need to stop making it sound like you are endorsing things unless you are the ones who came up with the idea. It cheapens your brand. I understand you do a ton of contract development for ballistics but you cant say everything is the best every year. It makes you sound like your trying to rip people off. Im offering this in a room with 2 of your ammo plant press kits and about every piece of marketing stuff you put out. I like hornady and shoot it almost exclusively but it muddies your message. You guys are great innovators, we get that but not everything is the best.
James clark They came out to camp perry and basically crowned it gospel, then came out to other places completely Contradicted themselves and expected it to be trusted. Even at nra this year they were blowing the creedmoor horn loudly as the ultimate. I talked to one of their shooters who said the other companies that make faster 6.5's were going to burn barrels, creating cartridges that didnt matter etc. Doesnt make sense. I have been shooting at the regional, national and international level since 1992 and have seen this trend all my career. The companies creat a half measure that falls short, proclaims it ultimate then a year later does it again. Raking in money all the way. They introduce it as soon as their first item is coming down in price, like the creedmoor is.
Phu Vet once upon a time the flat head straight 8 was king of the road. Later newer technology allow for a newer design. Alas it became new king. Point is when the creed was new it was the stuff of dreams...and for the most part still is...it fits the larger bill. As I understand it the new 6.5 prc is filling a notch for a special purpose just above the creed. It's faster w heavier bullets. So it's going to be a better round for certain application of craft. Perhaps your right to comment on the way the creed was touted as end all be all , but it kinda was then. New prc is a lil bigger n a lil better. It's just progress partner
6.5 caliber is getting to be overrated, its ok, but its no better than the 270 cal, or for that matter the 25 cal,a fast twist 25 caliber cartridge using 130 to 140 grain bullets would be something to talk about, this 6.5 prc is pretty much the same thing as the 6.5x284 or the old 6.5 rem mag,, nothing new at all,,,,,,,
Wrong. First off, there are almost no high BC bullets in 25 and 27 caliber. A 500 yard shot in a 20 mph wind would be crazy for a 25 and most 27 calibers. A 140 gr 6.5 cal bullet can have a 600+ bc. There are no 25 cal bullets that size and a 270 in 140-150 gr will have about a 500 bc at best, and many 270 hunting bullets are closer to a 400 BC. That's a lot more movement in the wind, and speed and energy loss at long range. The 6.5 PRC in short action is very close to the 6.5x284 in a long action. The biggest problem with the 6.5x284 is there'll never be mass produced ammo. 6.5x284 norma and 6.5x284 Winchester are too close. 6.5 PRC was made with a cartridge that couldn't accidentally be fired in the wrong firearm. Ammo manufacturers have to worry about legal issues.
BLUE COLLAR BOXING for hunting 270 win is still pretty popular. People aren’t making the distinction. Obviously 6.5 bore has an advantage in selection of match projectiles compared to 270. However, a 270 loaded with a 150 gr bullet is still pretty potent out to 500 or so
BLUE COLLAR BOXING for hunting 270 win is still pretty popular. People aren’t making the distinction. Obviously 6.5 bore has an advantage in selection of match projectiles compared to 270. However, a 270 loaded with a 150 gr bullet is still pretty potent out to 500 or so
Well I guess it's tax time and time to order a new barrel. Hey wife have you seen my PRS PRC GUN.. SHE YELLS BACK WTF ARE YOU DRINKING SO EARLY ON A SUNDAY FOR JESUS CHRIST.
Obviously he does not know what he is talking about while pushing the PRC round of which the 7mm-08 beats anyway I can shoot the 7mm-08 up to 3350 fps with 100 grain bullets and hit 3200 fps with 120 grain bullets but I chose not to do that as a way to save my barrel throat along with increased accuracy right at 2800-3000 fps The 6.5 PRC will not shoot as heavy of a bullet as the 7mm-08 either such as 160-180 grain bullets that beat the 6.5 PRC hands down and not sure why some manufactures are putting out false information but obviously they get paid to tell lies just like the news medias I would suppose they do it to get paid by gun manufacturers to sell new products such as calibers that are not even as good or only equal to calibers already being used only as a way to appeal to dummies with no clue There is already a rifle caliber called the 7mm-08 that beats all of the new totally unneeded and over rated calibers the manufactures are trying to sell to jack up profits more knowing there are people that will believe everything they say without question just like they do with the fake news medias Do not believe a single thing the car salesman they hire tell you and do your own research to find the real truth as gun manufacturers and bullet manufacturers are telling a whole slew of lies now days as a way to sell new calibers and bullets no one wants As far as hornady goes they make the worst bullets I have ever seen in my entire life so I sure would not trust a single thing they say about anything as I found their quality control to be non existent with their bullets and I even got a box one time that had green corrosion on the bullets so I do not buy a single thing from them anymore being as they did not want to give me a refund for the crap they sent me
I have a bunch of 7-08's, one of the best cartridges made!. my custom rifle will push the 168 gr Bergers to 2850 fps. I also have a custom .284 Win, it'll push 180 gr Bergers to 2950 all day long, and I single load it in a short action.
Ray I have disproved you several times and you just delete comments that show how incorrect you are. You are a complete and total dumb ass. you are embarrassing the shooting world.
And? So what if it's hardly better than "my good ole whatever." With that sort of thought we'd all be using lever-action 44-40s. By the way, I also think the 7mm-08 is the best deer cartridge ever invented.
George you have come up with one heck of a cartridge in the 6.5 PRC and not just for precision rifle shooting the extra 250 FPS over the 6.5CR makes a lot of difference . Over all my years of hunting 13 -80 =67 years I have never shot a harder hitting round . It’s as flat as a 25/06 or 270 and hits like a magnum . I have reduced my arsenal down to two rifles both Christensen Mesa’s the 6.5CR and PRC . At 80 I can not do much tromping around the woods I just sit over bean fields and can no longer be very picky on the deer I shoot . I can say that after three deer kills the
accuracy of the rifle cartridge combination is fantastic so disregard the naysayers , the larger weight for caliber and high BC using 6.5 mm bullets is the way to go . For moose or grizzlies it would be 300 PRC time but not many of us get a chance to hunt them any more . Keep on doing your thing George I for one appreciate your work !
Yes yes yes! Someone with enough professionalism and understanding of the range of skill set and knowledge of the target audience to explain what PRC meant!
Apparently a lot of low IQ people, like Ray Blackburn, are having a very hard time grasping the concept. “I can shoot my 7-08 3300fps with 100gr”. Well good for you Ray. But considering the entire point of this exercise is to launch heavy-for-caliber, high BC bullets at reasonable velocities, one can only assume you slept through a lot of classes. Try comparing apples to apples. The BC of your 100gr 7mm bullet is under .400. Good luck using that in a prs match. Now try loading your 7-08 with a 180gr, long ogive VLD style bullet that has a BC around .650-.677 and you have a long range bullet, but not a long range rifle because your velocity tanks, which is why in 7mm guys use magnums like the 7mm LRM for prs. But wait, you won’t ever find this out because you can’t even fit that case with the long ogive bullet into your Savage 7-08 magazine without seating it half way into the case! Are you starting to see what GA Precision and Hornady were trying to do? They weren’t trying to get maximum velocity. They were trying to get a long, heavy, high BC 6.5mm bullet to 3150fps in a short action rifle. For all the other wizards out there saying it’s just another 264 Win Mag- well good luck finding a 264 with a twist rate that will stabilize the 143gr VLD bullets. Being that SAAMI mandates a 1-9” twist for 264 WM, it ain’t gonna happen. You’d have to custom build a 264 with a 1-8” twist to stabilize those bullets, and then it would shoot them faster than the PRC. If you’re having a hard time figuring this out, think about the bullets first. It’s not about max velocity, not a drag race, that was the game 30 years ago. But then someone figured out you could move a high BC bullet at moderate velocity and significantly outperform a light weight bullet at max velocity when shooting at longer ranges.
If you’re going to respond, at least try to understand the subject you’re responding to. Reference some of Gunwerks literature on the subject if you want to get educated. I’m not defending Hornady, or saying what they’ve done is perfect, but I do understand what they were trying to do, and it has nothing to do with half of the comments on this thread. I have no doubt Ray bitched about the 300 PRC, saying “it ain’t no 300 Win Mag”. Well you’re right, try finding factory 300 Win Mag ammo in 212-220 gr VLD bullets. Or load some up like the PRS guys do, and try to fit them in the magazine of your factory Tika. You can’t? Ah hah! Well Cooter, maybe Hornady just created a product you can buy off the shelf, that will allow you to shoot the same loads the PRS guys shoot, without having to hand load. They also got it SAAMI approved, so pretty soon you’ll be able to buy a factory rifle with a magazine/chamber sizes to fit these loads. Up until now, if you wanted to get into this game, you had to have a custom rifle, or custom ammo, or both. Are you starting to understand what Hornady did? They just opened a door that, until now, had been closed to most people. But what do they know, you can get 3300fps with a 100gr 7-08, so pee on them
@Rick Flair That is one of the best comments I've ever seen on CZcams. Well done Sir.
Farken zinga Ric! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
7LRM in PRS??? Nobody that’s competitive uses any sort of Magnum cartridge in PRS. 6BR, 6 Dasher, 6X47 Lapua, and their 6.5mm equivalents that is all. Unless they are shooting a .308 only class.
Good info. I'm a 264 win mag nut and I will have to drag out the chroni and some of those special 143 grainers you speak of.
Woooo!! Get em!!
I realize this is an older video, but, I still would like to say, that the past 2 years has been a blast playing with the 6.5 PRC cartridge, out of a factory Ruger RPR, with no major mods, other then adding accessories to the unit, like a kitchen sink, but other then that, just a factory built entry level affordable rifle system, that would help me get into this PRS sport, which it has and I have been LOVING EVERY STEP OF IT. There has been many YT channels that also have helped me learn the game and with the more info I learned, the more confident I became to find the courage to go and compete. So what if I come in last place, How cool is it that I am at least competing, and I have met some of the worlds most amazing people in this industry.
The only complaint that I have, which I hope will stabilize in the supply and demand gameshow is the 6.5 PRC brass. I have a wonderful selection of powders, projectiles of various brands, types, weights, I even have well over 20K primers, but, no raw never fired brass. I keep an eye out on Hornady's offerings, Peterson's, Lapua's, ADG's websites for release dates of their production of raw building materials and have been waiting for 2 years now?
Other then the 250 to 280 rounds I purchased back before the world went nuts, in the Hornady Hunter series 147gr's ELD-X factory loads, that is all I have to build with. and would like to keep 60 to 80 rounds as factory hunting loads for hunting purposes for the next few years, but, a single match can burn off a box of 100 just like that, in two shakes of an Ox's tail. My brass is getting pretty tired and I speculate that I may have less then 3 to 4 more reload cycles left on those, as they have already been reloaded 6 times already. I am doing my best to stretch the life of what I have out... But, of the 27 gun supply stores in my state that I stop at on a weekly to bi-weekly basis, or at the bare minimum, call to check, NOBODY has seen any 6.5 PRC brass in 2 years or Hornady factory ammo in either HUNTER or MATCH. Yet, I see several suppliers have a back stock of 100 box, to 50K boxes of .270, 30-06, even back stock of 243 and so many others larger calibers, so brass doesn't appear to be the issue, heck, my local Sportmans Warehouse has 900 to 1000 boxes of .50BMG precision stuff, LOL. so again, brass isn't the issue, not when they are stamping out the match grade .50 BMG cartridges in the 10 round packs. as there isn't enough room on the store's sales floor to show case all that. No .300 PRC and no 6.5 PRC.
I am starting to wonder if I made a mistake with going this route with the PRC series. I suppose you win some and lose some, but I do not like to be tricked. Please note, all is stated kindly, But, some things just do not add up as to why the 6.5 PRC has not been seen is 2 years, yet, I keep seeing the production cycle of other cartridges run through now I think 2 times now on the oddity stuff, and many other more common ammo stock, sure, that is a never ending flow, as it is heavily demanded. 284 seems to ship weekly too, not in large pallets worth, but in a case or 3 per week, and that has been going on for months, to the point, that stores have to keep 99% of it in the back as there is no room for it on the sales floor shelves slot areas. Lastly, I have seen it being sold on two websites.. HELL NO, am I gonna pay $300 for a box of 20 rounds. I won't pay over 50 a box on line. not when I use to buy a box for $34 bucks. I will buy a new barrel and swap over to another format and the PRC series can take a hike. I like it, but, I feel like I have been forgotten about. likewise the other guys who are playing with the 6.5 PRC series, there is only about 60 of us in Northern Indiana that I know, I am sure there is more then that, but I am just saying of the guys I know, we all have been left out to dry. That is only about $200K to $300K worth in rifles that nobody can play with.. never mind the building supplies each of us has in hopes of brass or factory ammo. Okay, I feel better now.. I can go back under my rock and hide now...
I am currently on the fence looking at the 6.5 SAUM, 6.5 4s and the 6.5 PRC. George answered all my questions, so it looks like I'll be building a 6.5 PRC as my antelope/deer rifle! Thanks George!!
The SAUM "can" out perform the PRC on paper......but have you seen what it takes to make 6.5 SAUM brass? I'm sure by now someone is making bulk 6.5SAUM brass but it ain't gonna be cheap or easy to find.
The last question I ask myself when considering a cartridge is.... am I gonna be able to feed this thing with off the shelf ammo I can physically walk into a big box store and buy in a pinch? I think going prc is a good idea.
@@kirkmartin2223 How about 6,5*55? Tried and tested since 1891.
@@darkiee69 yeah that's a good one also
6.5 saum and 6.5 gap 4s are the same cartridge. From what I read, the 6.5 saum was the round he introduced to Hornady originally for the project.
Great video George...very nicely done!! I can see one of these in my future.
I also love the 7mm-08 . I have a 7mm-08 Ackley and it is awesome but I think I'm going to build the 6.5 PRC just because I have an action and barrel laying around . I have a 25 inch barrel on my 7mm-08 ackly and I am hunting with a 140 grain Nosler Partition. My muzzle Velocity is right at 3000 fps. With the 25 inch barrel and being a Ackley really helps . I think I'll build the PRC and take up long range target shooting. It looks like a lot of fun on u-tube videos .
I love my .264 Winchester magnum and .270 WSM.
What kind of barrel life can be expected?
I would LOVE to see a 7mm PRC based on the 300 PRC. Something that can push 180 ELDs to 3150 or so. The 180 ELD is crazy good form factor.
28 nosler
that's a good idea. Get the benefits of a 7mm-300 mag and get rid of the goddamned belted cases.
well you got your wish, Hornady is announcing 7mm prc at end of October
@@804outdoors I see. Looks like we’ll get more like 2900 from a 180 but that’s still incredible
@@jcarry5214 Just drop the belted cases BS...if that was such an issue the cartridge woulda died out yrs ago. Before CZcams it was never talked about....folks knew what the casing does but they didn't blow smoke up everyones azz to scare them away because SOMEONE has a friend that said its trash!
Im glad to see the RCM platform adapted to another capacity and a whole new platform for it.
IMHO, the RCM should be a mil-spec cartridge for the advantages it brings with it. Honestly, when you're living around a 14 all day, it gets to be a burden. Then 223 became the most used and that really put a hurt on those guys on the ground from longer range cartridges.
RCM should have been issued for the lighter weight with shorter barrels and superior BC to 308 for troops. It's a real shame, it really could save more lives, but this cartridge sounds like the RCM little brother. I hope it goes where the RCM didn't!
Good to see you developing another, superior platform again!
I have a buddy with a bone stock ruger precision rifle in 6.5prc and with factory ammo he's seeing a standard deviation of less than 12fps. I seriously thought the chronograph was broken. An SD of under 15fps for hand loads is pretty good.....under 15fps with factory ammo is almost unheard of.
George is the man !
the 264 WIN MAG has been around since 1958 .
And the 6,5*55 have been around since 1891.
Hornady is the only one that's selling this round it's like playing Monopoly and someone bought all the properties and you keep landing on them
My question is this. When will budget rifles be available to purchase from the likes of Ruger, TC, Savage, Mossberg, etc?
paul tallant , Ruger Hawkeye...
cva cascade and savage guns are really cheap
What would be the best barbell length to use?! 20" or 22" or 24" ?!
6.5 PRC in a Tikka will give you slower velocity, especially with the longer bullets. I average 2790 fps with 143 eldx from my Tikka with a 24" barrel. The same day my Winchester XPR, 24", was giving me over 3000 fps.
127 LRX are not as bad, about 100 fps slower.
My bergara premiere ridgeback 6.5prc topped with a nightforce atacr 5x25x56mm does it for all my scenarios i cant complain either with using factory eldx 143g shooting 0.418" under a half a minute what more could you ask for
great video solid cartridge
Being from Texas, this round is great for the game here. I doubt I will see a bear, but I bet this will have no problem stopping it. Aim small, miss small...
6.5 Remington mag
Yes!!! It's so sad it dissapeared...😭
Great round just too long for most short actions. Did one in rem 700 la and love it
Has this case been looked at with a 30 cal before? Would be kind of a hotter 308 in a short action and could send the 190 to 210 grainers much better. I’ve sent 208 grain ELD in my 308 at 2550fps. I’m a huge 308 fan and 30 cal fan. I am actually getting a 6.5 prc but man I’d hop all over a version of this in 30 cal if someone did it. Would need to push projectiles faster and still be efficient to be worth it. But I know there are guys out there that can test all that.
What does this do that the 6.5x284 doesnt?
Doesn't burn barrels at 1200rds due to lower pressure from what i understand. Same premise for the 6.5 SAUM.
The 6.5x284 most common today is the Norma designated one with a max COL of 3.2" which makes it a long action cartridge. It's not a SAAMI designated cartridge. There's a number of wildcat 6.5x284 Winchester guns out there with much shorter throats. It's popular more so with handloaders than people buying ammo. If you look at ammo prices at Midway, the 6.5x284 ammo costs typically between $55 to $75. It also has a rebated rim that's a hassle to manufacture and is harder to make feed and function in a wide variety of rifles. The 6.5 PRC is made for the long, heavy 14-147gr bullets but has a COL of less than 3". High performance ammo is available to non-handloaders and it costs $36-38 per box.
I just bought Hornady Precision Hunter in 6.5 PRC for $33 a box.
What about the 260 Rem and as mentioned earlier...the 6.5-284? why is this better? I think the .260 Rem is better than the Creedmoor also.
This is a whole class above the 260/6.5 CM/6.5x47 Lapua/6.5x55 cartridges. It's going from a standard to a magnum cartridge. Yes, it has a similar velocity to the 6.5x284, but that is not a SAAMI standardized cartridge. The Norma designated design has a max COL of 3.2" - long action. It also has a rebated rim. For handloaders and long actions, it works just fine. The 6.5 PRC is built from the ground up for the long 143-147gr bullets and will allow non-handloaders great options for shooting, in addition to handloaders.
For the casual hunter who may only five 500 rounds thru a rifle in 30 years, this caliber seems as perfect as advertised; but what about the guy that fires 500 rounds per year? Similar case capacity cartridges that produce similar velocities have throat wear issues. Has Hornaday produced as “acceptable” barrel life forecast. Additionally, 8 twist resistance against that volume of gas can produce bullet “skid” issues. Has Hornady produced tougher bullet jackets for the favored projectiles?
Nobody is going to make 6.5x284 norma ammo in the US. It's not saami spec because it's to close to the 6.5x284 Winchester. To many law suits waiting to happen.
Norma makes ammunition for 6.5-284 Norma. You can buy that ammunition from Brownells and MidwayUSA.
Gunnar Wretlind a few people make it but it’s too complicated of a situation for hornady to go all in on because it’s not consistently chambered the same (Norma/win).
There is a gunwerks podcast explanation of this that does it really well.
6.5-284 is a fantastic cartridge, this is essentially the same thing in a short action that you can walk into a Cabela’s and buy 20 boxes of match from hornady and shoot bugholes
Under hunting versatility, he mentioned that the round has 2,000 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards. Which 6.5 PRC cartridge does hornady make that does this?
Awesome!!!
love yalls 50bmg and 338 lapua ammo
Long range deer cartridge, maybe. 1800 fps cut off with eldX. Elk at distance? No. That's a gamble in favor of losing game.
When will the release of the 6.5PRC be out? Will there be brass as well being released for the 6.5PRC for reloaders? I have a burned out 6.5X284Norma and I'm looking for something just slightly faster and this sounds like a winner with 143's or some 147's.
My next Rifle 6.5 prc..
Did you get one?
.257 and .264 are bottom line elk acceptable. .284 cal at 175 gr is pretty solid. But even then the bullet must be able to react.
Ok. That did it! Next one will be the 6.5 PRC!
One of our video guys agrees with you. He can't wait to build one.
If only Hornady could develop a new round based off the 30-06 necked down to .277 and get SAAMI to spec it for a 1:8.5 twist barrel! Perhaps they could move the shoulder forward and make it steeper so say 270 win rounds could still be fired in the same chambers. But who on earth would want that?
Yes I have A270AI Shooting a 140 grain Act you bond bullets 3320 velocity h*** of a round
George, thanks. I’m planning to use the 6.5 CR for PRS and hunting in Montana. What’s the deal on magazine length vs optimal COAL? Can I get a 10 rd mag option in the short action set up?
Thanks, Jeff
If only i can afford 1 of these
6.5 PRC is what I want but..... not enough factory ammo and the ammo that is out there is priced way too high.
On the note of the 260 Rem what about the old 264 Win Mag or the screaming speed demon 6.5 Weatherby Mag.????????
The 260 isn't efficient in a short action with long bullets, and it's performance is comparable to a 6.5 creedmoor. Not even close to the 6.5 PRC. The weatherby and 264 mags are long action rifles.
@@TexanUSMC8089 Yet I am getting 1 hole groups with an old m1917 enfield action, lol, I must be doing something wrong.
@@mausermongerkoziczkowski8104 I didn't say it couldn't be accurate. I said it wasn't as efficient as a creedmoor case or a prc in a short action. The 260 case forces a 147gr eld bullet further into the case taking away powder capacity. If a person wants to shoot ELD/VLD bullets in a 260, it'll work better in a long action.
@@TexanUSMC8089 And so correct me if I'm wrong. The shorter cartridge allows one to carry more ammunition?
Big deal, as soon as the .300 RSAUM was released in 2001 it was necked down to form the wildcat 6.5 RSAUM. George has his own version(s) 6.5 GAP 4S and so did many others with variations in the throating, lead angle, neck diameter etc. Hornady has worked closely with Ruger on the development of .300 RCM and other cartridges (.30 TC etc.) that's why the parent case for the 6.5 PRC is from the .300 RCM and not RSAUM cases.
I haven’t seen this ammo in stores
It's in every major gunshop.... I'm in alaska and it's all over the place
Hornady knows there shit
7mm prc please 🙏
I think it's popularity will be limited in that it will not work in an AR-308 platform. It's simply too long to fit the magazines. I have a Creedmoor AR and a 260 AR and in order to get close to the lands I have to use all the space that the most roomy magazines allow. The 6.5 PRC is a little longer, so it would need a custom action to work on an AR platform. Of course the AR was not his design objective, but since ARs are so popular and selling so hot, this cartridge will miss out on that market.
My light load 7SAUM short action build is pushing 3125. I can run it hotter it just doesnt shoot as good.
Great round but def more of an XM/medium action round.
I have a 308 rem 5r looking to re chamber to 6.5prc same bolt face
Unfortunately those cartridges don't have the same bolt face. You would need a new barrel and bolt.
The object of this lesson is to separate your money from your wallet!!!
It sounds like a great cartridge for someone like me who doesn’t have a precision rifle yet. Would this be a barrel burner you think?
Barrels are cheap.
Barrels are tires.
Please, Hornady can you get me some reloading dies for the 6.5 prc? Can't find them anywhere now. Thanks.
One gun only for everything 7mm rem Mag. up to elk. From rabbits to grizzly .338 Win mag
why would george gardner premote a 6.5 prc when the 6.5 gap 4s thats named after his company, g a precision, can do everything if not a little more than the prc?
Hornady putting money in pockets
If I have an AI mag in 308 would that work for a 6.5 prc?
Show me on the doll where the 6.5 prc hurt you
LOL
Bwahahahahaha
I think its great. And i know for a fact the seekins havak shoots em in the same hole with facory 147 eld match ammo. Saw it for myself at seekins' range. So for all u naysayers out there, opinions are like assholes...everybody has em and they all fuckin stink. And for all the negative commentors out there I bet vegas odds you dont shit from shinola. I wish comments on youtube were all disabled
The 6.5 PRC looks like a good round but after further review using Hornadys own ballistic charts that you can look up on line it appears that this new cartridge doesn’t really stack up against the good old 300 win mag which shoots a heavier bullet faster and flatter with more down range energy. So why would I switch to something new especially in these times of ever increasing difficulty in getting Ammo?
I’m running my 6.5 Creedmoor up to 2929 fps with RL26 with no pressure signs. I’m sure handloaders will be able to hot rod this (6.5 prc) up to 3199.😁
What bullet are you running at 2929 with the 6.5 Creed?
i ran my 6.5 gap 4s to 3280 with 140s
@@MattypPhil I'm running the hornday 6.5 129sst superpeformance on a rpr 26inch Lri I'm at3000 fps and2950 in24inch Barell...
What bullet are you using for 2929 fps?
Everyone seems to be trying to reinvent the 270 win! And there reason is less recoil if you need a hunting round you are probably not going to shoot More than 20 rounds on a hunting trip.My advise learn to deal with a little recoil.
Yeah cause apples and oranges are the same thing!
The B.C. on .277 projectiles lacks.
Absolutely agree. Any decent hunting rifle will kick. Practise and get used to it🇨🇦🤠
It's not the recoil, .277 bullets suck for long range shooting compared to offerings on the market. Better off to go either direction to 6.5mm or up to 7mm.
The only reason they didn't catch on until now is "oogah boogah metric system scary".
Justin Peck Your logic is not making sense to me. 7/1rhousandths of an inch is not even half the thickness of a sheet of paper to go from .277 to .284 (7mm)
The British designate their cartridge by bore diameter while in America it’s groove diameter.
Just before ww1 the British were in the process of converting to the .275 Rigby. Thats the bore diameter the groove dia is usually another.008 so right around 283 or 284.
When Winchester brought out their famous round in l believe it was 1925 or so they didnt want to people to get it mixed up with the Rigby so they went with .270 bore dia. and .277 groove or bullet dia.
I call it the skinny seven. Extremely flat shooting powerful rd. very efficient aerodynamically. Remington came out with the .280 which is a .284 bullet on a .30/06 case basically another excellent cartridge but they were too late because the .270 win. by this time was solidly established and gaining in popularity by the day.
Today you can find this cartridge and rifles for it anywhere same as .30/06 which is actually my choice because it’s a bit more versatile. The .270 is abit flatter shooting the difference is only about an inch at 400 yds. which means nothing to me at least because l don’t shoot from the road l actually get out there and hunt and l like the heavier bullets.
To say that .270 or .30/06 are not accurate or flat shooting enough tells me that you haven’t done all that much and you have been duped by the big manufacturers ad campaigns. Gotta keep that cash register ringing boys lol😂🇨🇦🤠
whats wrong with 6.5X55..Swe.???
It lacks BALLS... As do ALL Swedes nowadays :-)
@Per Balles Jespersen..? :((
du må skide på dai danskBALLes!! ;))
Nothing. Good handloads in the Swede will do anything the creedmoor can with about 10000 psi less chamber pressure.
@@sneakinggodzilla6328 When the 6.5 Swede came out, America (and everyone else) wasn't consumed by "magnumitis."
@@kiyoshilengyel4747
Hvad forsøger du at sige?
Ok so the 6.5 PRC travels 200 to 300 feet a second faster then the 6.5 creedmoore and both are 0.264” bullet diameter . bullets . According to Hornadys reload books the bullets for both are listed under the same item number . So congratulations you managed to reinvent the 264 Winchester magnum!
264 win mag is not a light weight short action rifle. 6.5x284 needs a long action to reach it's potential too.
@Paul I got a Sauer S 100 6.5 PRC I also have a 30-06 that is almost is a doctors appointment after you go out and shoot a half box of shells. I am getting on and just passed the 30-06 and a 300 Winchester H&H the 30-06 kicks less than the 300
I bought the Sauer S 100 and put a Leupold 6-18X40 CDS on it . Whoever said these things kick hasn't shot either one of these guns. The Sauer with the Leupold is a tack driver with very little kick
I mean its been out long enough now that there should be more ammo options and it shouldnt be $55 a box.
Can the 6.5 prc perform in a 16.5" - 18" barrel?
I really like my 18"!
@@hornady I've got a 16.5" 308 love everything about it but it needs just a little more thinking of trying an 18" 6.5 prc build. Thanks for the reply
Now do the 7m prc. That'll be the one.
Knee Beats shin Yes yes really
I can't find a 6.5 PRC semi-automatic rifle for a decent price. That's what I'm looking for.
The Mauser M18 comes in 6.5 PRC and it retails at around 600 USD. Very reasonable.
@@mikelipsey8837 Thanks for the info! You're very kind.
Core
Not a semi but I just bought one for $429 plus tax brand new Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC from Academy sports+outdoors. It's very nice, the fluted bolt and barrel make it light and stylish. I couldn't shoot out the barrel in my lifetime, semi would be barrel eater.
Why speed? A 7mm bullet with a high BC at 2800 FPS should maintain velocity with better barrel life than 6.5mm bullets pushed to 3000+ FPS
who shoots long range with a 7mm at 2800 fps? What bullet and cartridge? You have to get a 162gr 7mm bullet to match a 143gr 6.5mm bullet in BC and SD. It's not going to happen in a light weight short action rifle.
TexanUSMC8089 284 shehane is pretty popular in F class. Just sayin
A property loaded 30 - 378 will out performers all 30 caliber and all the 6.5 and 6.8
Derek Valentine you’re comparing a magnum-length action to short action cartridges???
No sir, its a fact, you stuff powder and crimp a round right, that baby flys, and Weatherby is second to no one. Think about it!
How's the recoil?
6.5 x 300 weatherby mag
Completely different ballgame compared to the PRC lol
@@paulvenn4447 im listening, talk,
@@brianchambers1891 6.5x300 is in the class of ultra magnums, is near 100gr capacity, is belted, and requires a full sized magnum length bolt and action.
6.5 PRC is based on RCM, is around 69gr capacity and is a Short Action Magnum.
Obvious difference as well is velocity, recoil and barrel life. Weatherby will kill barrels and won't be comfortable to shoot in PRS competitions which is what the PRC was designed for.
Ok here's the blanket statement of blanket statements. Almost every cartridge with weatherby behind the number is a barrel burner. They are the crazy genius nextdoor neighbor who puts a blown Chevy 502 in a datsun pickup. Is it awesome....absolutely, is it practical absolutely not. It's like they have it wrote on the company's manifesto "if it ain't over bore it's a bore"
Weatherby is awesome and they make some awesome cartridges like the 30-378 and the new 6.5RPM but factory ammo is difficult to find and when you do its expensive.
6.5x 284 Norma
What is the obsession with short action cartridges in a hunting rifle? Think about it. These guys are just bored and wanting something different from long proven rds like .270 win. and a dozen others.😂
Randy Schaff You are right! But this cartridge was made in mind for the PRS guys, who can’t or at least don’t want to shoot a match of 200 rounds with a long action magnum.
Two Niner l am not talking long action magnum l am talking standard long action .3006 length action. Long action “magnum” is for cartridges like .375 h+h.
Thanks l enjoy the exchange.🇨🇦🤠
Half a pound mostly.
Considering most guys that get crazy lightweight hunting rifles pay $130 Cdn per ounce of weight savings when they start going to titanium, choosing a short action cartridge just makes sense. Easy weight savings.
For competition shooters it's faster to run the bolt on a short action. Short actions are also inherently stiffer which helps the rifle stay consistent when it gets really hot firing 200+ rounds in a day.
For inside 400 yards your not buying anything the .270 wouldn't do. For further than that you're losing out because there's a serious lack of long heavy for caliber high BC .277" bullets on the market. You're better off going down to a 6.5mm cartridge or up to a 7mm cartridge.
It's not really earth shattering but what it is, is a modern cartridge designed to shoot long heavy for caliber bullets very efficiently, maximize fps per grain of powder burned.
It's like comparing a .308 to a .30-06. the .30-06 has more overall horsepower but it burns more powder per fps compared to a .308.
I did a lot of looking at this and the 300 PRC when they first hit the market and when you look at "how are they different" they do fill a small niche in the market quite nicely.
The 6.5x284 is a very very good cartridge hard to beat 6.5 creesmoor not even close and overrated
Depends on what you're doing. If you need that last 100 fps and are willing to give up half the barrel life, very little factory ammo, etc etc-- then sure, go with the 6.5-284. It is interesting however that the F class guys who invented it no longer run it. Why? Barrel life, and straight .284 is easier to tune to the accuracy they need.
The 6.5 X 47 Lapua is a more efficient cartridge than the 6.5 Creedmoor. Don't let anyone tell you any different. Look at it's track record for winning in competition. And accuracy records. I shoot one in F-Class and wouldn't trade it for any 6.5 Creedmoor.
In short actions.... 3150 fps.... What ever x's 2! You guys should articulate the whole package needed to kill deer and elk, especially at distance. Look up Nathan Foster. His standards won't steer you wrong.
I'll stick with my 50 bmg
LOL Go ahead and shoot a deer with that.
Must be nice to have the money to run that beast. lol
I guess there is nothing in firearms cartriges that can be improved at this time. You name the caliber and it´s been done and there are at least 10 cartriges that do the same since WW2. I want a 4500 fps 7mm 175 - 180 grns cartridge that I can shoot whithout extreme barrel erosion, In a standard lengh bolt action or a very accurate semi-auto in a 8 pound gun. That would be a a real improvment. Remember 22-250 and the 220 swift eons ago 4000 plus fps. Hot rods of their time. Roy Wheaterby did a remarkable job , but today there is no real improvement. Change the name, shorten the shell, make it thicker, RUM cartriges great, but Wheatheby did it 50 years ago.If I can get into bow hunting range I can kill any game you can think of with a .22 Lr behind the ear. Enought to do the job ? Yes, but there is a better and relliable cartridge for it. What about the 1000 yds do everything small calliber cartridges ? A long time ago a fella Bell culled hundres of ellephants with a 7x57 mauser. The new 6.5 mm would be a better choice today
The word "err" is pronounced "URR" instead of "AIR"
I'll. Stick with my Creed
I'll stick with my 6.5 swede and 6.5X 284.
I'll stick with my .600 nitro
2000 lbs at 500 yards, I think not. Try at 300 yards. With their factory hunting loads. I think he misspoke.
i'LL keep my 25-06, 120 gr. going 3200. No need for a 6.5 Needmoor, or any variant.
Elmer Fudd good for you your ballistics in a g1 is like .480 compared to a .630 g1 135 a-tip bullet that’s is traveling almost the same velocity out of the muzzle hmmmm...
I'll stick with my 6.5 creed
GibsonOfAGun paper reaper...
And get outscored by PRC shooters lol
Ha Ha all these numbers mean nothing to me simply because l keep all my shots on game within 400 yds. As a matter of fact l have only shot ONE deer at 300 ds. in some 50 yrs of hunting. I can easily get out there with a .30/06 and a decebt 165 gr. bullet like a Hornady sst.
I shoot a magnum cal. only because l want that muzzle energy and a decent sized bullet. It gets the job done quicker and better. This is a living breathing animal put here for our use. It is not some target to be SHOT AT.
The 6.5 PRC was designed for more than just hunting. It really excels in the long range shooting competitions like PRS. With that said got to love those SST's for hunting.
Hornady Manufacturing l am old. I have basically used nothing but that good old Hornady 180 gr. Interlock flat base in my .300. Accurate flat shooting expands AND hangs together gets through hoth front shoulders busts everything up and results in a good blood trail which l have never had to follow very far if at all.
Also reasonably priced which lets me practise on the range and also out in the pasture. I shoot gophers with it to keep sharp for moose.
My trusty old M77 40 yrs now and it has a Leupold 4x scope on it. I hunt for meat.
This competitive shooting is very interesting but not my cup of tea.
I am NOT talking anybody down.
Hornady makes great old hunting bullets reasonably priced for Old Timers like me . I know what works and what doesn’t boys.
Get close make the first shot count. Keep shooting it until it quits moving thats the best kindest way to do it.🇨🇦🤠
I bet accuracy starts degrading after 500rds
Nah should get 2000 rounds with the pressure it's at. It's not as overbore as a RUM, 6.5-300 Weatherby, 6.5-284, etc
@@justinpeck3667 1350 rounds for competition , 1800 rounds for hunting depending on loads and care.
This "powder bottle" circus is getting freakin' ridiculous.
Im not seeing a reason to switch to this me too cartridge and it undermines hornadys credibility. 6.5 breedmoor was touted as the 6.5 unification cartridge and hornady told us just 4 years ago that we would never need to have any other 6.5.
We did? Where? This is not an attempt to replace the Creedmoor, we love that cartridge. There are, however, shooters and hunters that want more velocity/energy than what the Creedmoor offers but still want accuracy and shootability.
Hornady Manufacturing
Dave has said it in a million interviews, he said it at camp perry and almost said the same thing in your previous video.
czcams.com/video/Fr2fXhVcY78/video.html
I talked to him before about it unifying the wildcats so anyone could buy the ammo off the shelf instead of the large investment in reloading stuff. I was fine compeating with another caliber but recently switched to the 6.5 creedmoor for 3 gun and action rifle. You guys need to stop making it sound like you are endorsing things unless you are the ones who came up with the idea. It cheapens your brand. I understand you do a ton of contract development for ballistics but you cant say everything is the best every year. It makes you sound like your trying to rip people off. Im offering this in a room with 2 of your ammo plant press kits and about every piece of marketing stuff you put out. I like hornady and shoot it almost exclusively but it muddies your message. You guys are great innovators, we get that but not everything is the best.
James clark
They came out to camp perry and basically crowned it gospel, then came out to other places completely Contradicted themselves and expected it to be trusted. Even at nra this year they were blowing the creedmoor horn loudly as the ultimate. I talked to one of their shooters who said the other companies that make faster 6.5's were going to burn barrels, creating cartridges that didnt matter etc.
Doesnt make sense. I have been shooting at the regional, national and international level since 1992 and have seen this trend all my career. The companies creat a half measure that falls short, proclaims it ultimate then a year later does it again. Raking in money all the way. They introduce it as soon as their first item is coming down in price, like the creedmoor is.
Phu Vet once upon a time the flat head straight 8 was king of the road. Later newer technology allow for a newer design. Alas it became new king. Point is when the creed was new it was the stuff of dreams...and for the most part still is...it fits the larger bill. As I understand it the new 6.5 prc is filling a notch for a special purpose just above the creed. It's faster w heavier bullets. So it's going to be a better round for certain application of craft.
Perhaps your right to comment on the way the creed was touted as end all be all , but it kinda was then. New prc is a lil bigger n a lil better. It's just progress partner
WOW you you sound like a douche
6.5 caliber is getting to be overrated, its ok, but its no better than the 270 cal, or for that matter the 25 cal,a fast twist 25 caliber cartridge using 130 to 140 grain bullets would be something to talk about, this 6.5 prc is pretty much the same thing as the 6.5x284 or the old 6.5 rem mag,, nothing new at all,,,,,,,
Wrong. First off, there are almost no high BC bullets in 25 and 27 caliber. A 500 yard shot in a 20 mph wind would be crazy for a 25 and most 27 calibers. A 140 gr 6.5 cal bullet can have a 600+ bc. There are no 25 cal bullets that size and a 270 in 140-150 gr will have about a 500 bc at best, and many 270 hunting bullets are closer to a 400 BC. That's a lot more movement in the wind, and speed and energy loss at long range. The 6.5 PRC in short action is very close to the 6.5x284 in a long action. The biggest problem with the 6.5x284 is there'll never be mass produced ammo. 6.5x284 norma and 6.5x284 Winchester are too close. 6.5 PRC was made with a cartridge that couldn't accidentally be fired in the wrong firearm. Ammo manufacturers have to worry about legal issues.
Forgot to mention 264 win mag.
BLUE COLLAR BOXING for hunting 270 win is still pretty popular. People aren’t making the distinction. Obviously 6.5 bore has an advantage in selection of match projectiles compared to 270. However, a 270 loaded with a 150 gr bullet is still pretty potent out to 500 or so
BLUE COLLAR BOXING for hunting 270 win is still pretty popular. People aren’t making the distinction. Obviously 6.5 bore has an advantage in selection of match projectiles compared to 270. However, a 270 loaded with a 150 gr bullet is still pretty potent out to 500 or so
Well I guess it's tax time and time to order a new barrel. Hey wife have you seen my PRS PRC GUN.. SHE YELLS BACK WTF ARE YOU DRINKING SO EARLY ON A SUNDAY FOR JESUS CHRIST.
2,000 fpe at 500 yards? I call bs on that.
1MOA308 its not my 147 gr eld has 3050fps at 2000 yards 26" barrell now you can easy calculate this in fpe..
kristijan medved no it doesn’t
1MOA308 yeah i probaby cant read the numbers when measuring speed of the bullet...
kristijan medved id agree with you on that. Maybe you need a new chronograph
1MOA308 well if you dont believe me measure it for yourself simple....
Obviously he does not know what he is talking about while pushing the PRC round of which the 7mm-08 beats anyway
I can shoot the 7mm-08 up to 3350 fps with 100 grain bullets and hit 3200 fps with 120 grain bullets but I chose not to do that as a way to save my barrel throat along with increased accuracy right at 2800-3000 fps
The 6.5 PRC will not shoot as heavy of a bullet as the 7mm-08 either such as 160-180 grain bullets that beat the 6.5 PRC hands down and not sure why some manufactures are putting out false information but obviously they get paid to tell lies just like the news medias
I would suppose they do it to get paid by gun manufacturers to sell new products such as calibers that are not even as good or only equal to calibers already being used only as a way to appeal to dummies with no clue
There is already a rifle caliber called the 7mm-08 that beats all of the new totally unneeded and over rated calibers the manufactures are trying to sell to jack up profits more knowing there are people that will believe everything they say without question just like they do with the fake news medias
Do not believe a single thing the car salesman they hire tell you and do your own research to find the real truth as gun manufacturers and bullet manufacturers are telling a whole slew of lies now days as a way to sell new calibers and bullets no one wants
As far as hornady goes they make the worst bullets I have ever seen in my entire life so I sure would not trust a single thing they say about anything as I found their quality control to be non existent with their bullets and I even got a box one time that had green corrosion on the bullets so I do not buy a single thing from them anymore being as they did not want to give me a refund for the crap they sent me
I have a bunch of 7-08's, one of the best cartridges made!. my custom rifle will push the 168 gr Bergers to 2850 fps. I also have a custom .284 Win, it'll push 180 gr Bergers to 2950 all day long, and I single load it in a short action.
Ray I have disproved you several times and you just delete comments that show how incorrect you are. You are a complete and total dumb ass. you are embarrassing the shooting world.
Someone here doesn’t understand ballistic coefficients. 100 grain 7mm-08 is going to arc like a football
Stahhhp
And? So what if it's hardly better than "my good ole whatever." With that sort of thought we'd all be using lever-action 44-40s. By the way, I also think the 7mm-08 is the best deer cartridge ever invented.
Nah. Sorry not buying it.