Massca Woodworking - Pocket Hole Jig System M1
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- Massca Woodworking - Pocket Hole Jig System - Unboxing & Setup M1 Model
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On this episode we unbox and setup this pocket hole jig system by Massca Woodworking, the M1 model. Massca is a company I recently found via Instagram and I was lucky enough to win this product via a contest they posted on their page earlier this year. The contest included this Jig System as well as a 1,000 count screw kit (Which came in it’s own plastic storage container which was really neat to see / use). Massca is making some amazing products and I urge you all to go check out what they are doing!!
This jig system is made from solid aluminum - the build quality is absolutely amazing! The first time you touch this thing you wont be disappointed. It also has a vacuum attachment, and the main block can be removed so you can clamp it onto larger boards. Overall I really love this setup, and it’s superior to the primary competitor in the Kreg K4 in my opinion.
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This tool is AWESOME....comparable in price to the Kreg. This tool makes the plastic Kreg look and feel like a kids TOY.
Thanks so much for checking out the video and for sharing your thoughts! And yeah the build quality is not even close!! 💪🏻🛠
The Masca M2 is my favorite jig so far.
I really love the extension arms!
Excellent job explaining this tool
Glad it was helpful! I really love this pocket hole jig setup!
@@TheToughGuysTV based on your video I used it yesterday without too much hassle. The only wrinkle was lifting the device right in front, you know setting the height. After working that out, I don't see much reason to keep it lifted higher than an eighth of an inch from the bottom and that's only to keep from drilling on the aluminum base
Nice demo. Just picked one up and am excited to use it shortly. Once note on your video is the music you played was REALLY loud in compared to the rest of the video and I was blown away when it started playing.
Thanks for the feedback! This is an older video, always learning and trying to improve. I sort of got away from music other than in the intro anymore, just better and I can make quicker videos. Glad it helped you out I use my Massca jig all the time, it’s held up like new!! 🙏🏻
After comparing price and build quality, I went with a massca, then saw this video. Glad I did.
Good to hear! So glad the video helped you out!! I love the Massca lineup - solid products from a solid company. Thanks for watching!
This is awesome!! Thank you so much for your honest review and thoughts in the product! We are so happy we can bring products like these to the market and see carpenters like yourself putting them to work! Congrats on winning!
Thank you guys!! What you are doing is refreshing and needed in this market! Quality Tools made by Quality People! Keep it going and thank you for the support!
I’ve seen a jig similar to this that came with side support that were adjustable and that slid on a rod. Trend jig i think.. does this come with anything like that.
S.P.K SR. It didn’t come with anything like that in the box for me with this exact model, but they may carry something like you’re saying. That would be helpful for larger planks for sure. Thanks for checking out the video!
i think you need to send him the parts to turn it in to a m2. and the two of us the sided bars and nuts and bolts and thanks for making a rilly good tool
Great video. I watched two other videos about how to use this jig and your video was the only one that was clear and that explained simply what I needed to know. Great job!
Thanks for the feedback!!! You won’t be disappointed by the Massca lineup - era company and people too, which makes it even better. Thanks again for watching! 🙏🏻
I've been investigating pocket hole jigs in my spare time for a couple of days. I couldn't bring myself to meet Kreg prices especially for their cutesie "deals" like leaving out the dust hook-up then selling it separately for $8 plus $6 shipping. I thank you for this review. Now I'll order the Massca jig plus the thousand screw kit.
Mark - thanks for sharing this and much appreciated for the feedback as well! You will not be disappointed!!! 💪🏻🙏🏻
Thanks, I like the idea of drilling holes for the components.
Thanks! Yeah it’s a simple fix, would prefer to have them covered up especially the bit, but it’s working out still to this day!
Same way that I mounted my jig. I added a hinge so I can flip the jig up so I can drill pocket holes on the end of long boards supported by my table.
That's a neat idea!! I've been using their twin hole jig for my long boards but your idea would be something cool to try out!
@@TheToughGuysTV I did that that for years too and it got so aggravating to me to switch back and forth to the point I was just fixing to buy a 2nd jig and set it up on it's side then it hit me to put hinges on it. it works great. I hope to see a video on it lol hint hint
Thank you for the video, I just got this one for Christmas. I love the way you mounted the jig. Gonna do the same. Merry Christmas.
Awesome!!! Glad you like it! And yeah having it mounted has been awesome as well! Merry Christmas to you as well!! 💪🏻🎄
I like this Massca Pocket hole jig you are presenting. The allen wrench of the Kreg jig stores under the toggle clamp, there is a little grove to receive the allen, at least that is where I store my allen on my Kreg jig. I think Massca has a better value in the aluminum body. I like it and will get one. Now that you have previewed the tool and your concern about the drill bit depth gauge, I will make marks for the depth of the bore on the body of the jig. So instead of having a grove to rest the drill bit to measure the depth of the bore, I will have scratch marks or tape to record the depth of the stop collar. Thank you for this education.
Thank you for the comment!! I think you’ll truly enjoy this setup my Massca!
Nice man loving the tool reviews really gets me in the mood to build
Yeah man! This setup from Massca is great - I really love it. I will definitely be buying more of their stuff - they’ve got some awesome products in the pipeline too. Thanks for your support!
Great video, and I'll be doing the same storage for the bits. Thanks for the tip
I have had mine for about a month and agree with this review. I also had tear out on the holes I drilled. The dust port is a different size than any of my adapters- quick fix with 1 1/4” pvc and heat gun. I think it is worth the money.
Thanks for the thoughts John and thanks so much for watching as well!! I like the idea for the pvc and heat gun.. I’ll be doing that for sure! 💪🏻🙌🏻
I just bought the Massca based on your review and my comparison of it with Kreg K5 and 720, and other brands. Thanks.
I like the sound track!
Thank you!! I get all my music from CZcams! They have a great library for creators! 💪🏻
Great review! Keep up the amazing content!
Thank you so much for the comment and for watching!! I really appreciate it - the feedback is key to us keeping good stuff coming!
I didnt know about this.Nice about to order thanks for the demo
Glad I could help!! Hope you enjoy it - it's a fantastic jig for any shop!
You are awesome, just like this Massca pockethole jig. Your simple 2x4 set up would've suited me but I've already ordered the magnetic board by Creative Tool Company.
Thanks so much!! I love my Massca jig setup, still holding true, use it often!
I enjoyed your video and I think from what I see I'll purchase one. I don't fault Kreg from using plastic, as long as it is rigid enough and metal reinforced in the wear areas like the drill bit guide. But something about just good quality machined metal parts that can't be compared to any plastic part. As for the drill depth gauge I think Massca listened to some carpenters as I've seen many build videos and a lot just put a shim on the Kreg jig to light the bit up slightly and lock the stop ring. I'm sure that's faster and Massca adopted that adjustment style, being just a DIY'er either configuration works for me. I don't need those precious seconds when I'm doing everything else at a snails pace. haha. But again even though plastic is 100% fine, nothing beats the feel of working on quality machined metal tools. I'm sold!
Thanks so much for the comment and for sharing your thoughts!! I think you'll be pleased with the M1 Setup - it's truly a versatile and great choice for a pocket hole jig. Thanks again for taking the time to leave the comment, it's a great help to the community here!
Excellent video. Very good camera and sound.
Thanks so much I appreciate the feedback! Thanks for watching!
I've got the K4 Kreg, I added a couple small rare earth magnets in shallow forstner bit holes to retain the allen key and the bit in the storage channel. Just drill and epoxy in place. Hopefully that helps someone else.
I've got my Kreg mounted to a piece of board that slips into my bench dog holes. Think pocket hole station thats removable from the bench top when you don't need it. It would work great with an mft type bench top, if i ever get around to building one
Dave - Thanks for the comment! If you haven't yet, check out the video we did on the M2 from Massca - think you might really like the extension arms. I built a little easy portable station for that one. Thanks for stopping by and for checking out the video!
Kreg pioneered the pocket hole jig, so it stands to reason everybody compares their version to the Kreg product line.
I have a Kreg K2 Master System, which I purchased new the year it was introduced, 1993 or 94. It too is made of aluminum. I still have and use the original drill bit and driver.
Compared to the Massca unit you can see the direct similarities in the basic design. The only real difference between my 27 year old K2 and the Massca jig is the removable drill guide block and the vacuum port.
The K2 was designed to be used on 3/4 inch material only.
A few years back I upgraded to the K5 because I like the expandability of it. 3 different drill guide blocks, the micro for thinner than 3/4 inch material, the regular drill guide block, and the heavy duty drill guide block for 1 1/2 inch material and up.
Plus there is a plug cutter guide block with three corresponding plug cutters. This comes in handy when filling pocket holes. I can use off cuts of the wood that I'm using for the project. Done right I can colour and grain match the plug too make the pocket hole virtually disappear.
Ok, so now here's the irony.
I have a friend who has the Trend branded version of the Massca pocket hole jig, and yes it is a well made piece of kit, someone wanting a pocket hole jig would not be disappointed. But we were sitting down one day having a discussion, and we both came to the realisation, that even though my K5 and his Massca/Trend have adjustable drill guide blocks, that 99% of the time they are set at the 3/4 inch material setting.
At the end of the day they both just drill pocket holes.
When you look at someone's finished project, you are not going to know what brand of pocket hole jig they used.
I'm a classically trained master carpenter, with more than five decades of woodworking experience, I can build you anything from a house to the furniture in it.
I think the video and the product were presented well. The manufacturer should send you some free swag, in my opinion.
Cheers.
Thanks for the notes Andy! I appreciate all the thoughts and notes. One thing I think is important, at least for me, is the ability to communicate directly with Massca vs a company like Kreg. Massca and I talk all the time, and they are constantly trying to come up with ideas to improve and how they can offer better service and products. Not to say Kreg doesn't do those things, I assume they do - but I don't have that line of communication personally. On top of that, I'm a tactile guy - I love the feel and the look of the Massca jig, it just feels substantial. I love the metal knobs and the 'feel' of it - it's enjoyable to use for that alone. Thanks again, I appreciate you taking the time for the comment, and for checking out the video!
Nice review really like how you solved your accessories storage solution in the end. I have the Kreg K-4 system. On the edge of the system near where the handle for the clamp is a small hole that is used for the storage of the Allen wrench. Hope that this help.
Thanks for the comment!! Still working so far, definitely wish there was an option built into the jig no doubt! Check out the M2 video as well, it's got some cool stabilizing arms!
Great video. Just purchase one of these and wanted to know how it works. Brand new to woodworking.
Thanks for the comment Willie!! Massca makes some great stuff! Glad to hear you are getting into woodworking - it's a very fullfilling hobbie. Let me know your thoughts after you've tried it out and reach out to Massca on social media if you have questions for them - they are great!
Thanks for the video. I'm new jigs. I bought a k4 at Lowe's last November and I haven't opened it yet.
I definitely recommend the Massca lineup - had the K4 myself prior. Check out what they’ve got on their website and connect with them on Social Media - Small company and good people too! Thanks for checking out the video! 💪🏻
This is a nice looking unit. Regarding the use of plastic vs. aluminum, a high-quality composite (plastic) might actually hold up better on a construction site where it can be a life of "hard knocks" for tools. Plastic can resist being banged, bumped and dropped and come away without any damage. The metal unit, if knocked off a workbench, will be damaged, particularly if it lands on a corner or edge.
While the plastic unit will be lighter in weight and have a cheaper feel, it might end up with a longer life and show less wear than a metal unit (particularly if it's made of aluminum). The Massca might be better for use in a home workshop, while the Kreg might be the better option for the pro out in the field.
Nice job on the video.
Good thoughts, and all definitely something to think about!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts without bashing - it’s a lost art in a way, and I appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Also - just posted a review on the M2 version if interested - they added some stabilizing arms, thought it was a cool add. 💪🏻
Thanks for the vid. Was considering the Kreg K5 but this one seems better. However I came across the Armor auto-jig pocket hole system and that one blew me away. It takes it a bit further. Just place piece of wood/lumber into its clamp and it auto adjusts the drill bit stop collar, auto adjusts the drill guide, and has a key for coded screws that tell you which length screw to use for that particular wood. Check out vids on youtube. Was very impressed with how easy it was to use. You are store everything on the jig itself. Height of it is standard size of a 2x4 so don’t need to buy extra wings or come up with your own wing for more support.
Thanks for the comment!! Will check that out for sure and share with the Massca team - I'm sure they could take some notes on their end as well. I love seeing new tools and systems push the limits and drive new innovation especially for woodworking! Thanks again for checking out the video!
Excellent review, Very clear and concise and great camera shots. I have looked at the Kreg K-4 K5 and the Porter Cable 560 and this one and the only thing this one seems to gives up to them is the ability to have different spacing between pocket holes. The Porter Cable and the Massca are much better build quality for the money to me, instead of mostly plastic but Kreg is the leader it seems. Kinda crazy, must be US marketing. Besides the great storage setup you have made, I thought of drilling a 1/8 hole thru the side of plastic depth adjuster and attaching it with some 1/6 paracord type rope to the base of the Massca. Just a thought, for a mobile guy having to move it a lot. Throw the drill bit in the jig and drill a hole for the allen wrench maybe somewhere too. Hope that helps somebody.
Thanks for the comment and thoughts!! Just FYI I’ve got a new review coming soon, hopefully in the next few days for their M2 unit that has some extension arms - super cool addition. Stay tuned for that one if interested and check out Massca on Instagram if you use that - they are super active and a very good group of people! Stay safe out there and thanks again! 💪🏻
@@TheToughGuysTV Nice I will Thanks
I have two questions. When using the portable jig. Do you set the bit depth while assembled first then put the plate on the bottom? Second have you used a plug cutter in this jig to fill in any holes? I know Krieg has one? Thanks for any help.
It looks the same as the Trend pro jig but a lot less cash do you think they would deliver to the UK? Great review by the way. Merry Christmas 🎄👍
Mark as far as I know it’s the same product just being licensed here in North America. I assume you could buy it from their site and have it shipped, although not sure if it would save you money in the end with shipping costs. Hope you had an awesome Christmas!!! And thanks so much for watching!! 💪🏻🎄
I’m glad to see its marked in metric to
Gotta have both ways so you can hit all markets!! Thanks for checking out the video! I've got one up on the M2 as well with stabilizing arms if interested. Thanks!
I've noticed that the holes drilled with both the Massca and Armor jigs are more jagged than with the Kreg jigs. Could it be that the Kreg drill bit is making the difference? Are the Kreg drill bits compatible with the Massca?
That's a great question. I'm sure bit quality and sharpness may have an impact definitely. I don't see rougher holes unless I'm drilling against the grain. If I was doing finer woodwork / cabinet building I may be able to comment further. Most of the stuff I build isn't 'fine' detail stuff, so I'm ok with a little extra sanding. Thanks for the comment!
Great review. But one question, can one use Kreg screws with this jig?
Yes you can! I use Kreg screws often. I’ve also used some other random “pocket hole screws” from Ace Hardware too. All have worked fine but Massca does sell large sets of screws too! Apologies for the delayed response - thanks for watching! 🙏🏻
Great video!! Just subscribed
amra kodzic thanks so much! I really appreciate that! I hope you enjoy our other videos as well! 💪🏻
@@TheToughGuysTV Speaking as a beginner, they're just the perfect level of simple and interesting! Will definitely be watching more in the future
I said cool video I like that you do some bills like to see you do some stuff for beginner workers I’ll check you out some more thanks a lot
Thanks so much for the support! 💪🏻
I'm a novice. It seems odd to me that there is only one drill bit for all size screws but there is only one, right? Can you use any washer head type screws with this or do they have to be pocket screws? That little adjustable round piece for bit adjustment...do the numbers on that correspond to the other number on the other parts (does that make sense)? Thanks for the great video!
Yes only one bit and only pocket screws specifically is what you'd want to use. Never feel bad about asking questions!! Yes, each measurement on the jig and the parts correspond to different wood thicknesses. Some apply to the piece you're drilling and sometimes you also need to think about the piece you are drilling into.
Look up Massca on Instagram, and there are SO many creators making helpful content just like me to help you along the way.
Oddly this is now cheaper direct from massca than from Amazon, I then got a 10% off coupon so I got it for $72 and free shipping.
That's a great deal then for sure!! Nice! Glad you were able to pick one up! Thanks for checking out the video as well
I ordered mine today 12/31/20 for $69.00 free shipping from Massca, Amazon wants $89.
I just recently bought the Kreg 320 so I don't have any experience with the K4 or K5. However, I've always found it curious that Kreg went with plastic. At the same time, the Kreg jig is extremely popular not only in videos here but also in the stores. I don't think I've ever seen another pockethole jig from another maker.
Again, I don't have any experience with the K4 or K5 but I have to agree with you that the aluminum base makes the Massco unit seem much more durable. I like Massco's design for the dust extraction port as well as the screw location on the drill guide.
Since you also have the Kreg K4, did you find the same blowout when you used their drill for the first time? Those were some pretty ugly holes for a new drill bit. Then again, it could be the wood, but it certainly was a "hmmm" result.
Personally, I bought the Kreg 320 for a quick project and I didn't want to spend a ton on new tools to get it done. At some point though, I want to upgrade. This Massco product will certainly be a serious consideration when the time comes.
Thanks for the comment and for watching!!! I think the drill bit blowout was more so the old pine wood I was using - in hindsight I should have probably used a couple different types of wood. I will definitely be using this one vs the Kreg setup for sure - just ‘feels’ nicer to use. Without setting up a place to use hold that bit depth wheel thing, I was extremely concerned with loosing it. Massca is super responsive on Instagram if you have questions for them - I’m sure they’d love to speak with you about your feedback. Thanks again for taking the time to reach out - I couldn’t do what I’m doing without the support and feedback from people like you!
Probably went plastic to reduce cost. Haven’t seen the Kreg but I’d guess it’s injection molded which is cheaper than cnc alumium jig or die casted aluminum jig.
Looks like a slightly upgraded version of the Harbor Freight jig. Looks nice. Not sure what that plastic height gauge is for, though.
Hopefully I covered the height gauge in the video, but it's to set the collar on the drill bit so you are drilling the correct depth.
In terms of the depth setting component put it on a string or drill a hole on the mini shelf you've made, it seems to me to be an improvement over the kreg as you have to orient yourself to place the drill bit in the hole anyway and you don't have to walk round to the other side of the jig to set the depth collar. As regards the drill bit and allen keys etc, either drill another hole or use a magnet on the side? This looks a bit like a deluxe version of the Trend one and I'd wonder whether it was made in the same factory and It looks really well thought out. Thanks for the vid.
I do believe the Trend is the same thing, but Massca has made some modifications. I know that Trend is the name brand licensed overseas (speaking from the US). My understanding is that Massca is selling in North America. They've been growing their lineup, and continue to add great products!
just got it in the mail Tryed to connect T-way 1/2 plywood screw came out a little on other side . tryed to play with deepnes ov drilling,doing ok but problem isthat u cant plug that hole,head of the screw on the way.Any advise?
Have you tried using the pocket hole plugs sold at lowe's? To my knowledge there'd be no reason why they wouldn't work - but if you do try and they don't work circle back and let us know! Thanks for watching!
If it was a Kreg K3, K4, or K5 there is a plug cutter available, which allows you to make pocket hole plugs from off cuts of the actual wood your using on your project. So you can get a color and grain match. Done right the pocket hole virtually disappears.
Barring that, a 3/8 dowel and a flush cutting saw will do the trick, and is way cheaper than buying pre-made pocket hole plugs.
As far as the screw heads being in the way of plugging the hole on 1/2 inch plywood wood. Are you using 1 inch screws? Second do not over tighten the screws, use just enough pressure to pull the joint together.
I just watched both of the Massca videos, what i'm not sure of is what is the differnece between the M1 and M2?
M2 has addition supports on the side apparently, I had the same question.
Yes, the M2 has extendable arms, as far as I know that’s the only difference
So the K4 Kreg has 3 holes for multiple drill spacing options. Obviously this has 2... I guess you just have to measure, mark and reposition occasionally with this setup if you want that other spacing, right?
I haven't run into any issues personally with it only having 2 holes, but I could totally see how that would be an issue with vs the K4 setup.
They should put marks on the drill bit for depth settings
Definitely would be helpful no doubt, but dropping the bit through the hole with the guide is pretty easy. I wouldn't be surprised to see the marks on the bit though at some point - it's a great idea!! Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Do you think you could make a template to adjust the depth Of the drill bit like the Craig jig for the Massca ? Just in case you Lose that plastic piece. Maybe even check the depth on your Craig jig and see if it works for the massca. And then carve a template out of wood. Anyway thanks for the information I just ordered mine off Amazon now.
You definitely could do that - I wonder if 3D printing a solution may also work out (although that’s past my abilities). Thanks for checking out the video and for reaching out as well!! 🙏🏻💪🏻
Or you could just measure the height of each stop and write it down on a piece of tape stuck to the jig. It is easy enough to make a few shims to the needed heights. I basically only work with two thicknesses when I want to do pocket holes, so two shims would be easy enough to handle. High precision is not required on the heights. Within 1/16-inch should be more than enough precision in most cases.
Good idea!!! Thanks for sharing that! 👍🏻
The allen wrench goes in the.little hole under the lever handle on the kreg. No need to lose.
True, but I like this setup much better and made an easy solution. Thanks!
I've been reviewing several pocket hole fixtures, and this one is attractive except for one question I have. The plastic Kreg fixtures appear to provide angled holes with very little tear out, whereas the Trend (Massca in the USA) videos I've watched all seem to display a fair amount of tear out around the edges of the holes. Is it the jig or step-drill causing this? Curious if the Kreg step-drills come with a sharper cutting edge, which begs the question of whether or knock one can use the Kreg step-drill bit in the Trend (Massca) fixtures.
UPDATE: After viewing a couple other favorable reviews, I ordered this Massca pocket- hole jig (only $70 on eBay).
I've wondered the same thing. I don't have either one but I'm curious to see if the Kreg has a tighter tolerance to the drill bit, where the drill bit comes through the jig face against the board. Like a zero clearance fence on a miter saw or zero clearance insert on a table saw that prevent tear out.
@@buckylaine I bought two different Massca jigs ... the aluminum bench-mount model and their plastic portable model (links below). The portable unit works very well when drilling parallel to the grain, but does create some minor tear-out when drilling prependicular to the grain. The bench unit creates tear-out regardless of grain direction. All my test holes were in outdoor treated pine (soft). Also, I gouged one of the angled bores in the bench unit on the first hole I tried drilling. So, there's an advantage to the steel sleeves in the plastic units (like Kreg). Massca prices are great, and I'll probably stay with this bench unit. It's not like the appearance of pocket holes matters. I have no hands-on experience with the Kreg, so I cannot opine on how tight the drill bit fits in their sleeves.
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The tear out I've seen is with either jig, the differentiating factor being whether or not I'm drilling with or against the wood grain. If I'm against the grain, I always get a bit of tear out. It's quickly remedied with my orbital sander, or for more precise people a razor knife works as well. Figured I'd share my thoughts here and thank you so much for watching and for the comment!! Glad you decided to purchase a Massca Jig - I really love mine!
I have the Massca pocket hole jig, and while I have never seen a Kreg K4 up close, I do have the Kreg mini pocket hole jig which is basically just a standalone drill guide for making a single pocket hole. I compared the Kreg mini to the Massca (which looks identical to this Trend), and the Massca has a design flaw that the Kreg does not. Specifically, the Massca does not have a "zero clearance" template around the drill bit because they use a bushing inserted into an aluminum hole and obviously the bushing has a larger OD than the pocket-hole drill bit, but instead of just drilling a hole in the aluminum equal to the length of the bushing (with the bushing OD) and then drilling the rest of the way through the jig with a smaller drill bit (equal to the ID of the bushing), they just drilled all the way through the jig with the larger drill bit. That leaves a gap between the pocket-hole drill bit and the edges of the pocket template in the jig, and that allows some tear-out. In contrast, Kreg seems to have done it the right way, i.e., they drilled the rest of the hole in the jig with a drill bit of equal diameter to the pocket hole drill bit.
I bought the same one after looking at the Kreg. I solved the tear out by sharpening the bit that came with the kit and it works much better. I find it works great for me. I do use the screws from Lowe's that are sold for Kreg and those work fine. I have some other Banggood stuff and, to be honest, it all works pretty well and seems to be well made. Great video.
Thanks for the comment and for checking out the video! I probably need to sharpen my bits no doubt about that!
The Kreg Jig does indeed have a spot to store the allen key. It's on the back end in between the clamp and the plastic, there's a little slot for it.
Ok thanks for sharing. Overall to me this is still a superior product, and building a spot for it on my workbench solved the problem of storing the Allen. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@TheToughGuysTV Yeah I almost bought the same one, looks very well made. I also put a hole through my kreg by working too fast and forgetting to set the correct height.
@@joselucero6634 Yeah and so has so many other people. Picture having the Massca, you will be buying replacement bits. ;-)
Maybe, but maybe not. It would definitely stop the bit no doubt but would it automatically destroy it? I’m all for a fan of another product, everyone is allowed their preference - thanks for checking out my video!
any micro pocket hole jig ?
would be nice to have center marks on the drill guide block
Check under the clamp on the kreg jig there is a slot for the allen wrench
Came to find this out for sure - thanks for the note!
@@TheToughGuysTV your welcome
Get this CHEAPER direct at Massca.
Very good Customer service.
Did I link it elsewhere? I literally got mine from Massca..
I Ordered 1 to replace harbor freight one.
Great Choice!! I hope it works out well for you, mine has been a work horse in the shop, not had any issues so far. Thanks for watching!
@@TheToughGuysTV Yeh and got it for 79 dollars
Hi...is it present in Egypt???
I believe if you are buying it in that region, you'd want to look up 'Trend' brand pocket hole jigs. My understanding is that 'Massca' is the north american licensed name.
drill a hole in the drill depth and attach wire to base
I built a little platform onto my bench and it stores nicely there. Good idea though!!
The tool is nice but there is a flaw. If you want to pocket hole in a large piece of plywood (like a dresser back), each time you move the plywood to drill a new pocket hole, you have to go around behind the plywood to release the tension on the clamp. If the piece is large, you cannot reach over or around the piece. Otherwise, it is a nice tool.
Hey I just watched the video that pocket hole jig is cool I looked on amazon it was $89 but I seen a kreg k4 on eBay for $99 with some extras if this massca was around $30-$40 I would have got it but for $10 more I got the real deal
I dig the videos thanks for sharing
Thanks for the comment!! To me, the Massca is a better overall build, solid aluminum as opposed to the Kreg. They also have a new v2 coming out or about to launch that has extended arms for larger pieces. Thanks for the support, I appreciate your feedback!! 💪🏻
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Yes it’s made from aluminum but that is the only good thing. The depth setting for the bit is something you can loose. Other units now have a better way for holding the wood. This one just copied the Kreg. There is one that sets the depth on drill bit, and locks the wood. It can change the location of the holes. That and it color coded for the screws. Look at the armor tool system. The locking device is just a pull on the handle, the locking collar is adjusted so tighten the set screw, on the side it shows the color of the screw to be used. The best thing is that if you owned an older system it’s upgradeable to the newer style.
Do you own one of these and you've had a bad experience? I've used it consistently for quite a while now and never had a single issue losing any components, or problems with it at all. My K4 on the other hand consistently had issues, got stuck, and was cheaply built. I guess we can agree to respectfully disagree? Thanks for the comment and for checking out the video!
I had very bad experience with kreg...thanx God i did not buy the k4...
The main problem that I see is that this is not portable. It would not work if you were making built in cabinets or using long pieces of wood.
Have you seen my video on the M2 Version? It has some stabilizing arms that worked out great for our desk build recently. Not it's not super portable, but not sure that's what they were going for to be honest. Thanks for checking out the video!
Armor is auto
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This pocket hole jig is way over priced.
Well it’s actually not. Always on sale, and quality crushes competition. Kregs comparable setup is $100 and made of plastic.
Do you own one so that you could speak on overpriced vs competitors and what VALUE you are getting for your money??
Thanks!
And yes I own both mr almighty
Let’s be clear here that you came to my video and posted that this product was overpriced not the other way around. 🤔
@@TheToughGuysTV thats right just leting u know. There all crap for the price. My opinion.
@@patrickarchuleta9594 So is there something that you think works better than either a Kreg or Massca? I guess I'm trying to understand the stance here - most times people rip a product they make a recommendation. Maybe you're not a fan of pocket holes in general?
Way too manual work involved to use this thing. No where near as good as the K5 which i have. The machine finish is beautiful and well made. I know you said you can break down and then make it portable. Would have been nice to see how you use the portable piece on a board that you don't put in the jig. On the K4 you do have to manual set the clamp by adjusting a nut. On the K5 it is much easier to set the back part of the clamp, you just press the piece in the back up against your piece of stock then while holding it pressed against the wood, use the front lever to push up till you here two clicks then let go of back part and push clamp down. That manual adjusting on the Massca though for every single step seems like the tool is going backwards. Setting the thickness of the wood on the K5 is a piece of cake as the board thickness is right on the block you will put the bit into to drill. If i want to go portable, I slip the drill block out, carry to my piece of wood and use the supplied clamp to clamp it down onto the piece. it looks like the Massca does not have that clamp but I am sure you can use an existing one. I know you were not trying to make this a comparison of the two brands. I did watch the video from the website of this product and saw the steps to make it portable. You have to take the entire end off the Massca, then take that plate and attach it to the bottom of the drill guide with 4 rather long screws. In the promotion video you can actually see the use of it being portable where they clamped it to a board. In the video, the Massca kept shifting while drilling. Probably they didn't catch that before posting the video. I was thinking of trying another product but this is not looking too good now. They have one kit with two nice clamps, an 18 inch clamp and 11 inch and going for $99 which is what the K4 costs. Just think you get more from Massca for the money.
First thanks for watching the video. I saw you commenting elsewhere as well, and I appreciate the discussion. This video was my take and my review of this product. I highlighted my opinion on it. Is it perfect? No. Was it far superior to the plastic Kreg product I happen to own? Yes in my opinion. There are parts I didn’t show because I didn’t have a use for them and I do not like forcing stuff, again my review / my process is not the same as yours or anyone else’s. Everyone is allowed their opinion, and we don’t have to agree but either way thanks for checking out the video. ✌🏻