Real Time with Bill Maher: It’s Time to Ban Fraternities (HBO)
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In his editorial New Rule, Bill Maher calls for an end to college fraternities.
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"strip you of your personality and build it in their image" also the military
And religion and cults very often.
coldwar45 not true necessarily
Anthony Koutso That is why I said very often, not always.
yeah but the military isnt going away anytime soon
Illya Lypyak yes but the military has a point, what is the point of frat houses?
I was in a Fraternity but I dropped out after a semester. The cult like culture and group think mentality felt awkward and fake. They were quick to disassociate with members who couldnt pay their financial dues or black ball other members who were not living up to their standards. College should be a time when people find themselves and build their indepedence as an adult. The Frat/Sorrority culture does the exact opposite. It strips you of your individuality and makes you dependent on the group.
+El Gringo I only have experience with Dutch 'Fraternity' organisations, but I guess the principle is the same. The idea behind a frat was to teach kids how to be behave in 'upper class'' society, to give them an education in social etiquette besides the normal education and to allow them to build a network for during and after college. The 'old boys network'.
But with the advent of the 'mass universities' in the 1960's when college education wasn't just for the rich any more and all walks of live got a shot at it, that original purpose went out the window. If you come from a far away part of the country and don't know anyone in your college, it's a great way to make friends. But the whole thing just got out of hand in the US I think.
In the Netherlands things got so out of hand in the 80's and 90's that one or two people died every year during pledge weeks. In response the universities and municipalities have set up their own introduction weeks for new students to get them familiar with the town, the university and the other students. Older students sign up to take 9-10 new students under their wing for a week. And they set up 'faculty-collectives' that provide a lot of same things that frats do. Like social events, guest speakers, office tours and job fairs where you can get in touch with potential employers, they sell summaries of books and lectures, etc. The difference is that every student can sign up for a small yearly fee. Frat membership numbers have declined dramatically over the last decade or so because of it.
thanks for the info!!
Nothing wrong with "group think"... the problem is that it's a bunch of 18 - 22 year olds who don't know shit and want a power high. "group think" a that age is "dumb think"
Sounds like Scientology alright.
C
As a little sister to a fraternity I had to beat a pledging's buttocks with a paddle because he asked me to do it. It was the most violent act of my life. I beat my friend until he was a bloody mess because he knew he couldn't get into the fraternity without it. I felt co-erced into a game with sadists and it haunts me to this day.
That's called peer pressure, unless there was a gun to your head which I seriously doubt, you did it because you wanted to fit in too. Stupid spoiled rich frat/sorority kids. If that's your idea of being a "friend" you two deserve each other.
BellaSC He wanted to be in the same fraternity as his relatives and my task was the only thing stopping him from succeeding his goal.
EH CBunny You didn't HAVE to do anything. Take responsibility for your own behavior, instead of blaming others for stupid shit you did just because of peer pressure.I'm my own person and if people don't like me for who I am, they aren't worth associating with, and I sure as hell wouldn't injure someone else just to fit in.
Primalxbeast I never joined a fraternity. I helped out a friend who was pledging by being his Lil sister. I was helping a friend. I started out making midnight pancakes whenever he needed it. No one ever said the last day would end by him begging to be whipped.
EH CBunny
It'd important to realize that you do have a choice in such situations and not to be pressured into something you feel uncomfortable doing.
I've got something for you Bill...
New Rule: If you decry racism, but stereotype all theists and fraternity members as closed minded cultists, you're not just a bigot, you're a hypocrite.
***** Wrong. Stereotyping white people is wrong... if those white people are women, LGBT, or disabled. White, heterosexual, cisgendered men? Oh yeah, fuck those guys, bunch of privileged racist misogynistic shitlords who need to be reduced to 10% of the population.
careful, folks.... always remember Poe's law!
***** Well, someone has to be guilty of doing these things. Its not an equal portion of all races and both genders....its generally white men! And I am a white male and I acknowledge that. The majority of people in prisons around the world are men, not women. Do we say that women are equally as guilty as men of atrocities? I say no. Do we say that both men and woman and all races are equally as guilty of being in frats and doing stupid shit? No....its white men.
I don't think the Hutus and the tutsi's would've done a whole lot to each other without the Dutch
drkwrl Belgians, not Dutch. If you paid attention to how Holland handled trade you would know they were far greater compared to everybody else.
Their trade routes spanned the same distances as the British Empire but they had very few people to work with, making it impossible for them to enforce racism like the British or Spanish. Belgium did not have very much to work with so they were able to apply their racism much easier.
Fraternities aren't a thing here in Australia. I'm doing my masters and have yet to meet a single person who is part of one. It all just seems like a bunch of pretentious nonsense to me. The ancient Greek names are the icing on the cake.
Suraj Opinion is Never Better Fraternities are a uniquely American creation, that's why it's not in Australia.
Either your definition of the world is the shittiest parts of America or you think the best thing in life is hot college babes, Either way thats seriously depressing
@Togapower I can tell you were never in a fraternity. When most of us talk about our experiences from college, we rarely ever talk about our frat parties "filled with hot college babes". Sometimes we may, but mostly we talk about how it built our character, gave us connections, and got us through college a lot easier. We only party like once every one or two weeks. We do a lot more than just party or binge drink.
Togapower No. You literally know nothing about fraternities. Partying, drinking, and fucking sorority girls is only like 10% of what we do, yet it’s the only 10% people see and talk about. We’re not constantly drunk or wearing Abercrombie.
Also, I never even planned on being in a fraternity. The story behind me becoming a pledge is a long one.
Togapower Also, why does it seem like most of the people who talk shit on fraternities are the people who tried to get into them but couldn’t?
My main problem with Maher's argument is it's sexist as he doesn't say anything about desegregating and/or banning sororities too. I don't know of many that admit men. (He also doesn't mention the fact that there are already a number of coed fraternities in existence.)
Alex F He shouldn't have to. It would go without saying. Besides, fraternities are far more guilty of cultivating the corrupt mentalities of these future politicians and businessmen than sororities could ever hope to be. Fraternities birth our country's greedy and ambitious top 1%.
PC Principal says check your privilege, bruh.
You cant ban fraternities because it would ridden the "good ole buddy system". People in Corporate America and in politics would actually need qualifications and credentials for their jobs instead of the Fraternity brother connections.
+El Gringo Networking happens everywhere, not just fraternities.
+iJust_Nguyen unfortunately, fraternity association gives members the edge over non-fraternity job-seekers
repeat after me: I am responsible for my own failures.
@@musiccrapguy4930 Sorry nepotism and corrupt stuff like that happens all the time in business, politics and etc,
and pretending like it doesn't and that anything anyone ever got i their lives was only by their own merits, is a self induced fantasy.
@@mckenzie.latham91 Shit. So don't bother going to College unless you want to kiss ass then.
Fraternities- adolescent males who are still in h.s
no fraternities, no Brett Kavanaughs
Come to Hoboken, NJ, the town is full of guys in their 30s and 40s that are still trying to live that moment, looking like losers. You should never stay stuck on a phase.
Some of my favorite memories of college were when frat boys had no idea they were the joke.
Take already privileged adolescent boys, put them in a privileged in-group, and pour alcohol in them. What could go wrong?
Privileged? who said they were privileged? they pay for everything that they have at school. People on athletic teams are more privileged than people in greek life
robby2014 hahahahaha oooooookay.....
robby2014 wah wah wah
***** Please enlighten me on how fraternities are privileged.
***** The sad thing is you think you are making a point related to my original post, dipshit.
Paying a fee to have friends is suspect.
Slacquer they hook each other with jobs tho
Everyone pays a fee to have friends. You're paying a fee when you buy clothes to attract certain people to you. You pay a fee when you buy your "friends" a round at the bar because you want them to like you. You pay a fee when you go out and buy cleaning products to make you smell nice and look young because you don't want people to be disgusted by you.
Everything in life except breathing comes with a fee.
@@jaredschmidt8013 Maybe so. But in normal life... you don't get tortured, humiliated & possibly even die trying to make friends.
@@coolcat6303 clearly you don't watch youtube videos.
You likely have to find people at some club if you haven't made friends at work or school though.
Though I was a founding Father of my Frat, and had too much fun in college, I totally agree, too much evil shit happens at those houses and they should all be shut down.
The only reason why I hung out with Frats in College was for the parties. Other than that it was just a bunch of delusional insecure people who needed conformity to make them feel like they were apart of something bigger than what they were. Lol, please. I may be in debt, but I'm so glad I didn't join that shit.
The Gaming Kitchen Sounds exactly like the military, everyone is so proud of themselves for not being a "college liberal pussy who never fought for anything yada yada yada" it's like they want everyone to March off to war just to deserve anything
"I may be in debt"
lmaooooooooooooo
I would have pledged, because you get brotherhood.
everybody is "delusional insecure people who needed conformity to make them feel like they were apart of something bigger than what they were"
@@andrealcantara1437 don't project buddy.
I'm curious as to whether he's including historically black greek letter organizations in this diatribe as well.
Morpheus time to stick that carrot back up your ass whiner lol
He should. Black fraternities are notorious for hazing, yet no one says anything about it because they don't want to make it a race issue. It's not a race issue, it's a human rights issue and the lack of respecting their pledges as human beings.
Ross Barn I'm not exactly sure what parts of my original statement qualified as "whining". I was simply asking a question.
latininxtc
*"Black fraternities are notorious for hazing, yet no one says anything about it..."*
On the contrary people say PLENTY about it. This particular issue has become so pervasive within HBGLO's that one could argue that they are known more for hazing than the positive work they all do....and it's really unfortunate.
Morpheus
why? whats the point of your question?
diatribe?
LOL
My university didn't have fraternities or sororities (it does now though). It was a semi-rural university and virtually no one in the dorms had a car (or a tv) so we were forced to be social and take care of each other. There was virtually no supervision but everyone behaved themselves very well. Looking back, it is impressive that a bunch of kids right out of high school were so mature, and I suspect that it was because there were only about 150 kids in the dorms, so it was like a small town. We had no choice but to become friends with kids of different ethnicities and backgrounds, and fraternities are anathema to that idea.
Ah, the good old dangle your friend over a wood chipper trick
Wow, I'm not from America and have never understood what fraternities are or why they exist at all. However, I would think that after years of high school and having to conform just to survive or be bullied into depression and possible suicide, that College wold represent freedom, to be who you want to be and to start building who you really are, rather than what you are forced to be.
I always imagined that 'frat' people were kind of looked down on and pitied in academic society; the kids that never grew up and need the reassurance of others to feel valuable to society; the jocks who got in on a sports scholarship, but are dumb as fence posts.
I always kind of saw them as the kids that only went to College to party and screw...but not really come away with much of an education.
Happy to be schooled on this, as, as I said, I'm not American.
Ban both fraternities and sororities. All they encourage people to do is spend their time getting wasted and doing stupid shit instead of actually learning.
coldwar45 he didn't say ban themhe said force them to allow blacks
robinsss Yes, but the video is called "It's Time to Ban Fraternities" and I agree with that, and also would like to ban sororities, since they aren't any different besides the gender of the participants.
coldwar45
who should ban them?
coldwar45 You think the drinking and stupid shit will just go away then? You are mistaken.
Thomas McGrath
Who brought up GPA? We are talking about the party and stupid activity. Did you mistake the stupid activity for something to do about GPA?
Everything he said in the last minute was absolutely spot-on.
Traditions are an idiot thing
-Rick Sanchez
never really understood the frat house / sororities thing but that might be because i from holland where as far as i know we don`t have them (or at least not too the extent you have them in the US)
cheers and good day
Het Corps is remarkably similar in many respects.
America and their unneccessary "things".. #JohnOliver should do a segment on "Why is this still a thing".
Hey, I tried to join a frat last semester called Sigtau. And everything they talked about was kinda like a cult, "the brother hood" or " the others", and man it felt like the kkk. Anyway for the last day of rush week, they got u alone in a room with five of there head guys, and they ask deep personal questions, well it was my turn and I told them about me and my autism, and then the next day happend were they announced if u got a bid or not, and I didn't get a bid( I'm not saying that I didn't get a bid because of my autism, I'm just stating the facts). And a few days later I asked one of them why I didn't get a bid, he answered " u just started hanging out with us and we didn't knew u well enough" well I would understand there point of view IF they didn't accepted all spanking ass new freshmen that never spook to them a day in there life and if I two of those sigtau went to high school with me and one of them a close friend in the dorms!!! But now looking back at it, I'm glad they..
mathew ward frats are stupid af anyway
My fraternity didn't embody any of these stereotypes.
4:02 - That laugh which gently turns into a tongue-in-cheek protesting "Oooooooh..." after a moment of shock... Still priceless. :-)
I never understood the appeal of sororities and fraternities. In college, I was perfectly capable of making friends without having to audition for their friendship by allowing them to abuse and humiliate me. It's ridiculous. My brother was in a fraternity, and my sister in a sorority, and, they are the exact stereotype Maher just described. Between the two of them, I sometimes feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Within my family, I'm always viewed as the odd one because I find the tradition completely unappealing....so it's nice to have someone state exactly what I've been thinking (and saying) for years! Thanks again for speaking my mind, Bill Maher!
They were the walking joke at my university. I was a resident assistant at my university, and Greek life got to move in first. Their parents were horrible to deal with, and the boys were equally as snotty and rude. They were homophobic and racist.
I am gay, and my boyfriend came over once. They made gay slurs the entire time.
My school was quite nice and prestigious so there was no drinking at residence halls and they always thought the rules did not apply to them. The thing was, they were the walking joke around campus. They always were the ones who would stumble back to the dorms drunk and on academic probation. I once had a mother and father during checkout scream at me because they received a letter. Their son was on academic probation. They said that as his resident assistant, it was my responsibility to make sure he was doing well in his classes. When I told him that their son is an adult, their faces hit the floor.
I am not saying your parents are like that. It was the ones I dealt with.
Allegedly save on room and board as well as parties and sex.
3:14 i like how you can hear a few claps, preparing for a joke, then Bill looks you dead in the eyes and says some serious truth
I guess it's official. The U.S now has absolutely no sense of humor.
Shaun Weiss I couldn't even tell you when we lost it.
Being in England, I thought a Fraternity was more like the houses from harry potter, doesn't matter who you are so much you join a frat and have fun competitions with the others, including who can have the best parties XD, I did not realise they stuck carrots up peoples asses, maybe we should make new frats that are more like the houses from harry potter (obviously make them sound cooler) and then people may want to join them more until finally all tthe old frats either have to change or disappear into the wind.
Ah, I guess i should have read it more thoroughly XD
Harri Maya Pretty much what it is, apart from the idiot fraternities that ruin things for everyone
Harri Maya It's no wonder folks in England have a low opinion of the US. You guys seem to judge all Americans using the dregs of our citizenry as the paradigm.
Hazing is illegal everywhere in the US. In practice, a small percentage of _chapters_ haze; when they are found out, they are disavowed by the organization's national council and banned from the University they belong to. Once they are banned, students who are discovered to be secretly continuing the fraternity's activities on campus are typically subject to judicial action. At least, that's how it was at the University I attended. So this notion that fraternities are like the movie "Saw" where you have to harm yourself to make it through, is just not true in the vast majority of cases (probably greater than 90%, if I had to give a number).
On another topic, I have to say, the more contact I have with Europeans, the less confidence I have in the supposed "superiority" of your education system compared to America's. You guys don't seem to practice critical thinking or utilize research skills any more than the average American does.
Just goes to show you, conservative American politicians are *correct* when they say blindly throwing more money into education won't make the average citizen any more astute or rational.
No money won't change much, we need efficient education, Living in England I would not say everyone here is of a high intelligence, I'm pretty sure you'd say the same in america, but obviously everywhere in the world has highly intelligent people, there's just not as many as we'd like XD I can assume from the mere presence of you that your probably of high intelligence, although this is the internet so you could be some fat guy XD but I'm going to assume that your just a highly intelligent person. So on a whole I wouldn't say there's much difference in peoples intelligence anywhere, what they learn can be highly different, but tbh that's a trivial matter that should be disregarded unless you are on somewhere like 4chan, where you just troll others who speak differently to you until someone manages to troll you XD......
on the matter of "frats" I thought they were more like "revenge of the nerds" or "american pie" or "neighbors". But I can't even remember my first point now XD so I'm hoping were in accord now on the educational side, and I thank you for lessening my confusion with the "frats" now do not think they are as many of the movies suggested, although I probably should have known that movies "ain't real life blud" XD
What really put a dent in the fraternity system was a brief period in the 1970s and early 80s when the drinking age was 18 in virtually all 50 states and alcohol consumption took place a undergraduate sanctioned events. Like most “vices”, once college-age drinking became re-criminalized, frats became de facto speakeasies where few rules applied.
To be fair not all fraternities are like this.
If fraternities are banned so should sororities.
Agreed
Looking back at my college fraternity experience, I genuinely had a fantastic time. Originally the experience appealed to me because of course it sounded like fun, but then after meeting with several of the members, my decision to join was based on my finances, it was cheap to live there; 900$ for housing, fraternity dues, food, cable, internet, and lots of social events. This was every quarter (we were a on quarter system, but the school has recently switched to semesters). My fraternity had the best overall GPA, contributed the most community service hours, had the largest membership of any organization of campus, and accepted brothers based on merit rather than race, creed, orientation, or philosophy. During my time there, I became involved in other community service organizations, helped raise thousands of dollars for non profits, received mentoring from my older brothers in the house, and ended up joining the Freemasons.
Following my undergraduate degree, I spent a year in AmeriCorps as a VISTA (Volunteer in Service to America) working with several nonprofits in my area for 10000$ a year. Following that, I worked in a special needs organization, following that I went back and spent 4 years getting a Masters degree in Education, and joined the Scottish Rite, and the Shriners. I'm now a teacher and in my 3rd year of residency, and I still volunteer my time at various non profits.
I met my best friend in my fraternity, and he was the best man at my wedding. Sure we partied, but I would have done that regardless. My point you may be asking after reading all this? Some fraternities have assholes in them, a shocker to you I am sure, but some of them also have pretty decent folks too. The problem isn't exclusivity, it's people. Some people just suck, and unsupervised 20 year old's do this nonsense regardless of their affiliation.
Some of these fraternities are evil.they are allot of times people who read occult books, and want to become world leaders than they start wars to do a human sacrifice
i think fraternities and sororities differ from campus to campus. One chapter in new York could be a group of ass hats, while another in LA could be pretty alright guys
+Christian Swate Exactly. Not really fair to stereotype the whole Greek system based off the bad apples which are slowly rotting away
iJust_Nguyen I was in a fraternity for a while at the University of Illinois. I don’t think that the bad apples are rotting away. I think we have the same amount of bad apples that we’ve had in the past, if not more. And the saying isn’t “Let the bad apples make a lot of shit decisions, get people killed, and turn normal people into alcoholic wastes of space”. It’s “One bad apple spoils the bunch”. And there are a lot more than just one bad apple. So the bunch is fucked.
JustNguyen ok bot, think about what you just stated. Or were you in a frat too? Frats and sororities are a shit tradition that need to be slashed out of academia like fat sucked off your ass to make soap. All frats, all sororities everywhere. Bring them down.
Yuri Tomashevich brilliantly put and with primary sourced information. Thank you. It doesn’t take much to find most of all rapes that ever occur on and off campus are committed by frat boys on drunk young girls. Ruining their lives and committing crimes that get people killed behind bars. F@$k the Greek life.
I'm in a national fraternity, and we have a zero-tolerance policy for hazing. Several of our chapters have been shut down by our national executive board for doing so.
It's still about exclusion. Unless you are a service oriented Fraternity, what you belong to is a junior old boys club. Fraternities were not a big thing where I went to college, thank goodness.
"Helping each other get jobs" IS the old boy network and it is not ok.
It is nigh on to nepotism.
Talent is not the factor.
Knowing-your-dad's-friends is the factor and that is not ok.
Why is having connections a bad thing? People who know more people do better in life, and that's just a fact. You act as if it were better if we all just started with nothing, knew nobody, and had to start completely from scratch. Just because some people aren't born with those luxuries (which is awful for them and I sympathize) doesn't mean everyone should go through that. A good person would focus on how to create more opportunity for those with less, rather than trying to destroy opportunities to those that have it.
Btw, I didn't grow up rich. I grew up on a farm with a Navy SEAL father, elementary teacher mother, and 4 older siblings (including 3 older brothers). We either hunted or harvested most of our food and I had to work at a mechanic shop to pay for college. But I joined a fraternity and the connections I made gave me all the opportunity in the world to start my own business.
Being a member of a fraternity (or sorority) is like buying "friends."
I was in a frat until it got disbanded because a lot of brothers were being stupid
The Greek system is a joke and was not that big by the time I graduated. It was seen as buying friends, and extending high school for another 4 years.
How do you ban who people voluntarily associate with? You might get away with removing university backing. That should be the extent of it in a free society. And yes, Mildred, I know better than to end a sentence with a preposition.
An ex of mine tried to get into a sorority at Adelphi. One of the challenges was sewing a fether into your scalp, and the only reason she turned it down was because I think there was an entry fee or something like that. I reminded her over and over that it's just another way for people to buy friends.
Yes, people who sew feathers into their scalps are the ones we should hang out with. The Greek community should be shunned.
what the actual fuck
this guy is such a geed
When I saw this a few days ago it made me realize how smart it was not to join a frat. I can get girls and make friends myself without having to pay. I'd rather focus on being an Accounting major instead of remembering the history of a frat
I obviously cant speak on behalf of all frats but mine was not only extremely inclusive of all religions and ethnicity's but we also had a STRICT no hazing policy. Being part of the alpha class I had something to do with the latter decision, the consensus was that we didnt want to hang out with the types of people that would degrade themselves to join a club.
I was in pretty much in a chapter of a national fraternity who had the same train of thought. I got in right when the colony became a full-fledged chapter. When I graduated we had whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, a Muslim guy and a Jewish guy in our fraternity and as far as I knew there was no hazing going on. Unfortunately with less influence on the original members, all of that slowly went away and we even started having hazing problems. If there aren't brothers out there who are willing to keep the diversity in tact, then fraternities are doomed to return to their stereotypes.
Jackthestripper So your frat was lame? Ok gotcha.
Monochromicornicopia
Well, that says a lot about you.
Jackthestripper
I'm serious. If your frat accepted everyone then there was nothing common between you to create that sense of inclusiveness or belonging. Ever see a high school lunch room? Nobody is forcing the kids to segregate themselves, but they do it anyway because it is more comfortable to be around people that you have more in common with.
I'm not saying its right, just saying it makes for more enjoyable clubs and organizations.
Monochromicornicopia
Just because a frat doesn't haze anyone and does not exclude a person of a particular race/ethnicity, religion, and/or sexual orientation does not mean they accept everyone. My frat has turned down guys of all kinds of religious, race and knowingly sexual orientation backgrounds. When I was still there it was more about character and how they can contribute to the growth and popularity of the frat. Not sure what it's about anymore.
Just because something is bad doesn't mean you have to prohibit it by law.
eggory Perhaps you missed the part / fact that ( at least one ) young person dies per year from hazing practices.
I was a recently discharged Vietnam veteran from the United States Air Force when I started college full-time. I felt so completely unburdened by not having to conform that the idea of joining a fraternity seemed beyond absurd. During the time I spent focused on my academics I watched the frat houses make news in the campus weekly paper for their foolish and often dangerous idiocy. I'd like to know where some of those clowns are now.
THANK YOU
Would love to see more on this. I feel like college turned me into a uniform drone anyway, but I never had the confidence to join a fraternity.
It's just another form of a clique. But with dues and official rules. Housing is better. But aside from that it's pretty lame. You may get some business connections upon getting your degree, but if you're a good student, it wouldn't really matter.
1:26 Pretty simple. They are magnets for alumni donations and their alumni closely watch university politics well after they leave college (its much easier nowadays since the internet exists and most big colleges have one or more independent student newspapers acting as watchdogs). When admin tries to limit the abuses of greek life, they are made aware of the alumni's (that is, a very small section of them) displeasure. But since governments are cutting budgets for all levels of education, admin has to rely more on alumni cash, and they'll get it pretty much any way they can.
Plus the frats have lobbying outfits in Congress too. Check out FratPAC.
Fraternity and sorority life is a joke. I remember watching them in Knoxville thinking they are awful
Putting your back into, good work. Let’s see if what you got is really worth my time. You are going to need to dig deep into it all to change my mind.
I never understood why someone would pay money to join a frat. Not every frat guy is a douche but from personal experience most of them I've met have had big egos and think they're the big shit on campus.
Much love from Penn State
I live in Australia so have no idea what fraternities are..
At least in that Animal House scene, he doesn't actually do it, and doesn't come close, but it is certainly not funny.
we do know these were comedy movies and not documentaries
@@RIXRADvidz Yes, and that's the point. I love Animal House, but that isn't funny.
Sharply written and well stated - anyone offended by this needs a sense of humor - the nature of satire.
As much as I think a lot of people go overboard when yelling "degradation of women" today, I agree with Bill Maher about his take on the facts presented regarding frats. Also I agree that they can have terrible influences on young people. I wanted to join a frat when I was a freshman and found out I couldn't since I didn't drink. And now I'm so glad I didn't join.
I agree on many of these points. I don't get why people fight so hard to join a group in which the seniors often enjoy making their prospects do degrading things for fun.
Frats = buy-a-friend
Why are female sororities allowed and no male?
no fraternities, no Brett Kavanaughs
perfect
Hell yeah
Group thinkers? But no mention of the military... An organization which issues you the only clothes you can wear, gives you all the same haircut, sleep in baracks together, eat together, undergo strenuous exercise together, etc.... You get the point.
Revenge of the Nerds came out in 1984.
My younger brother almost joined one but fortunately I talked him out of it.
Then ban the sororities, as well. And that's all fraternities/sororities, just to be consistent.
Had he joined a fraternity he might feel differently. This speech was very unfair.
revenge of the nerds was 1984...not 82
pedants are SO CUTE!!!
I wrote an article recently on how banning fraternities & Sororities would lead to nothing but shifting the problems around within the universities. Without the Greek System problems will only be dispersed throughout the universities. Racism, Sexism, Elitism will always exist and the college Greek System is not the only thing that has it. Obviously all these things are wrong, but in my article banning the Greek System can lead to most of these organizations forming new "underground" organizations that cannot be broken up due to the "freedom of assembly". I would rather have a Greek Life that is at least monitored by the university and a national organization rather than the organization going rogue without being held to any standard. When a fraternity goes rogue I would say the statistics of hazing and alcohol abuse go up exponentially. I think these problems outweigh either counter arguments of pro/anti Greek Life.
Bill didn't get a bid!
fuckin geed
Obviously private universities can do what they want, but wouldn’t it violate freedom of association to try to ban them at public universities? And most of the abuses are at big state schools, so all this proposal would do is kill off a lot of organisations that do a lot of good for their members and don’t hurt anyone
Yes but you see, like the freedom of speech, the freedom of association is not absolute.
Bill has awesome Cosby Jokes
What’s also funny about college. Is that they’re more worried over bad PR. Then student hazing death.
spot on.
Brilliant!
I’m not in a frat, but people who are in them seem like there having fun and leave college with connections. It’s very elitist but I’m not hating.
I wish they did fraternities and sororities that focused on an academic subject, perhaps in the stem field.
Yeah, they exist. Professional fraternities and sororities are exactly that.
Bill, Bill, Bill!! You were there!! [in the film "Being There" starring Peters Sellers including the outtakes. Something like "You are an overexpressed min-key" or perhaps that was in the Pink Panther series.] How could a drunken integrated frat house with EVERYONE both male and female, Greek and Jew manage to not start a series of barroom fights about how long the bathroom line is in your frat house morning, noon, and night??!!?? And how did you ever find anyone during the weekend house cleaning sessions?? Drunken painting parties seemed to be effective draws, though. Which were the longest running series at your place? Star Trek reruns, Cartoons, etc?? This was b4 HBO. Man, you definitely need to run for the office of Prez!
As much as I hate fraternities and sororities banning them is the stupidest thing you could do. The solution is to keep idiots out of college.
Revenge of the nerds came out in 1984....NERDS!!!!!!!!!!
He said Animal House!
Watch it again....that came out in 1978
He says at 1:36 that Animal House came out in 1978. The at 1:58 he says Revenge of the Nerds came out in 1982.
I know.
shinmusashi44 wow,, fire himLOL
Sounds like somebody's jealous.
i just realized bill grew up in montvale nj, which is a town over from me.
I knew some nice guys in fraternities at MSU, but as a whole I never got it.
Bill you never were in one! And now you can act out! They will Never go away!
I was in an academic frat in college but that's not quite the same thing. My college actually didn't have traditional fraternities with frat houses and whatnot. Those kind always seemed kind of silly to me. Then again, I didn't go to college until after I did 4 years in the military so maybe that has something to do with it.
I pledged a fraternity and dropped a semester later. It was not my thing, but I can see how it could be others. The references to Animal House were funny but mostly true.AH was a movie..and a comedy to boot. It was meant to entertain, not to be a documentary. Comedy frequently goes out on the cutting edge.....but I suppose Bill Maher knows this.
Yes, but at the same time life inmates art.
bill with the gloves off....love it
No comments on the sororities? Looks like bill was seriously spanked by some frat guys😆.
holy shit that's beautiful!!!! 3:29
The voice of reason,....Once again..
Coming from the star of Pizza Man , that’s precious
I love Bill, but he doesn't get a bid
In all fairness, I still think Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds is funny. Just let it stay on the silver screen
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The GDI is strong with him.
geed
Frat movies were never considered funny.