SUFFERING | Epic: The Musical (Full Animatic) (Thunder Saga)
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- Suffering Animatic!!
This is my offering to Jorge because the Thunder Saga truly was epic!
also this is the first very real animatic that I've ever done so please tell me what you think :D
Thank you for watching, hope you enjoyed and subscribe to see more animatics ^^
Which song should I animate next?
Thunder bringer/mutiny pls
I think different beast would be interesting after this
Different beast, I think your animation style would be great for it 👍
Scylla? :3
Different beast or thunder bringer.
Siren Penelope getting progressively more aggravated that her food is still yapping is my favorite thing about this XD
Especially at 2:22 when she gives up the facade, and is just angry
And the fact that Ody is clearly also messing with her at the end there lol
"food is still yapping" this is so funny on so many levels especially bc odysseus is a known yapper
@@nai3381yapper of Ithaca
Definitely the best part of this song 😂😂
Penelope slowly loosing it and the sirens disappearing, love it ❤❤
Wait, I didnt even realize the sirens, thats so good
One by one the sirens are being captured.
Right?! When I first listened to this, it felt like an illusion Odysseus has to overcome. But knowing the context and seeing how Camalemsy animated it makes it feel like Odysseus is such a troll
It's "losing." You can lose a rope and loose a tied rope.
@@sdathomas5088 I've never been more thankful for a comment, I swear I never knew the difference and it always bothered me lmao (same with laid lay lied, lie and lie and all that, that confuses me so much 😭)
0:31 not the way the sirens looked at each other and then 'Penelope' like: Oh crap, now what?
Sirens: scared of the WATER?? on a ship in the SEA???
@@tumblingartistwell I mean, he _is_ in a ship. Not in the water
I LOVED THAT - they were like "dude YOU LIVED ON AN ISLAND"
That part was SO GOOD
@@lynx.09321 As someone who's lived on an island all my life (and can't swim)... I take this as a personal attack
2:01 I love how Odysseus expression changes into something sinister here, showing how both of them are playing pretend but Ody is the more dangerous hunter between the two predators here
love that line, "the more dangerous hunter"
@@laith8116 You could even say he's a... different beast now, perhaps even the one who feasts now
@@tylerbranson2099 this comment is great
@@tylerbranson2099
Or you could say that he's the man made monster... and even the one who conquers...
@@Ericaglan You might also say.. he won't take more suffering..
I love how "Penelope" goes from confident to worry to confuse and then just pissed. It really gives a new meaning to the constant "i would/can/will take the suffering from you". Is a combination of "i'm done talking to you, but i'm way too deep to stop" and "i'm out of dialogue options, dude" XD
Lol I love the “I’m out of dialogue options”
I'm glad I you made Odysseus being sad when he sees Siren Penelope. Most people just draw him being cunning and lying, but this guy hasn't seen his wife in 12 years or so. I imagined he would be at least a little bit emotional as he talked with "Penelope" for the first time in years
Great animation!
I imagine that a lot of what he's saying in the song is true;
"I would do anything for you"
"I would die for you"
Because he would for Penelope.
@@warningdeadinside2537it is! there's an acoustic guitar playing, meaning Odysseus is being vulnerable. he is speaking like he *is* speaking to his wife, even though he knows it's not actually her
They draw him cunning and lying because he is. He's playing along with her trick. He's a monster at this point after the turning point in underworld saga.
What I love the most is that the first thing he says to siren's Penelope after her line of "Don't you miss me?", is this: "More than you know". Yes, Ody misses Penelope, more than this siren could ever know. He wasn't even talking to her, technically
2:04 lmao why is no one talking abt this frame?? Ody is such an anime girl💀
"Oh tee hee Penelope, you know I'm too shy and have a crippling fear of drowning" lol
Ody is such a drama queen and I'm all here for it
@@blueteller "tee hee, come on, come on the ship and give me a kiss uwu" (*sharpens the arrow)
He really is 😅
Penelope why ? You know I'm too ✨️shy ✨️ 👉👈🥺
I am going to say it...should have brought the sirens along.
Puahahah
To be fair though, in Homer's "The Odyssey", this "Siren Penelope" didn't happen. When Ody and the crew were about to sail where the sirens were, the crew just used beeswax to cover their ears so that they wouldn't hear the sirens' songs. (For context, if a person heard the song of a siren, they would be hypnotized and jump from the boat to the water.) Odysseus, on the other hand, still wanted to hear their voices, so no beeswax for him and he asked to be tied up to one of the masts of the ship so he couldn't jump to the water. You can imagine him trying to get out of the rope until they got out of that place lol
In addition, Scylla's lair is just huge a rock, which means they were just on open seas and not in a cave-like place just like how Epic portrays it. The path they had to travel to was between Scylla and Charybdis- which we would only see in Epic after Odysseus gets out of Calypso's Island. When the crew were planning how to get between the two monsters, Scylla attacked of the crew, so everyone just tried to get past them as fast as possible so that no one else can get eaten. So yeah, there were no sirens captured to begin with and Odysseus did not really willingly sacrificed his men :DD
There's a lot more inconsistencies between this part in The Odyssey and this whole Thunder Saga (like Odysseus really was not given the chance to choose who lives and who dies. Zeus struck their ship and Ody just miraculously survives).
But who cares? Epic is on a whole 'nother level. I wouldn't mind more inconsistencies from the original poem; the songs are so incredible😭🙏🏻
I feel like most if not all inconsistencies make the message of EPIC stronger, I mean I cannot tell you how surprised I was when I realized the Ody had to choose to kill his own men rather than just holding on rlly tight to a keel that shit hurt and also made him way more ruthless but mostly it hurt and I’m sad now
@@mayonnaiseee14Actually, this is one thing Jorge DID get from the Odyssey - sacrificing six men I mean.
Now Odysseus didn't hand out torches like he does here, but he DOES know that Scylla will kill six people and he DOES refuse to tell the crew because...well, why would you? They have no choice but to go through Scylla anyway, why upset them first?
It's not presented as a moral dilemma and he doesn't hand out torches but he does know six people will die and hide it from the crew.
He couldn't 1, they would rot as the journey to silla would have been days and the bodies would rot
2:04 THAT'S EXACTLY WHATNI IMAGINE HIM BEING SHY LIKE A BBG😂 YOU NAILED IT
Thank you 😆 He's one of the girlies hehe
@@camalemsyyour honor, that man is my babygirl (i wanna squeeze him till he pops like a stress ball)
i love how annoyed she was getting by the end such great characterization!
I love how the sirens were getting annoyed and angry. In a too serious way, I have been wondering why the sirens didn't think anything was wrong when Odysus was evading their song for almost 3 minutes. This means they were just too full of themselves to think something was wrong or that sailors before we able to hold off the lure of the siren song for some time before succumbing to it.
It might also be because sirens were depicted as wind/water sprits that punished unfaithful men. Maybe they thought he wqs just loyal and nervous?
Well, there are two explanations: The voice of the sirens is not an absolute power, it only accentuates their seduction/persuasion. But a dialogue must occur between them and their victim. So some may take more or less time to be dissuaded depending on their willpower.
The other option is that they rely heavily on imitating the shape of loved ones to convince victims to listen to them. And they achieve the latter by first spying and using the information learned to make their dialogues more convincing.
I think the sirens surrounding Penelope disappeared midway through. If that was intentional, great attention to detail. Love the animatic either way!
Yes it was intentional :DD And thank youu
Why did i never realize😅
They are in the water!
I LOVE THIS. Penelope slowly getting more and more mad, and odysseous being sad upon seeing the siren pretending to be his wife. The of course and oh nooo are also funny, and the reaction of the other sirens when he says he's afraid of the water.
Odysseus: Im scared of the water.
Sirens: wtf why is he on a boat-
FakePenelope: Its ok girls i got this
I love the last scene when he says "the things I'd do for you" and it just pans to his crew that's he's prepared to sacrifice
Oh my gods that’s incredible. I love showing her true form when she changes the tense from “would” to “will”.
I too WOULD, yes.
...
Um. No. I mean...
What was I saying?
You are so far the only one that I see got the correct expresion for sirenope's "Oh nooooo" It's so funny
Yes! That’s exactly what I imagined her doing when I listened to it
Sirenope I love it lol
The devil is fast but the epic fandom is faster🔥🔥🔥
love how the siren is like "dude just stop talking...you said you'd jump so just jump! don't got all day 🙄"
I love the little details in this like the other sirens seeming concerned when Odysseus says he's scared of the water, the way fake Penelope gets progressively more annoyed, and how by the end the other sirens aren't beside the one singing anymore. Just so many great little details.
0:30 No the sirens were so confused 😭😭😭
“…what now???”
I was more confused with the daughter part😂 I was like: huh? Since when is telemachos a girl ?
@@heyitsaaliyah6059 so was most of the chat lol you're not alone 😅
1:59 Jorge knew what he was doing with this line and I am in love
I'ts kinda ironic how the song "Suffering" is the chillest song in this saga
i love the detail of the sirens disappearing after the like dark area with the whole Poseidon part, showing that when she was fully focused on him that's when the crew snuck up and snatched them
0:41
Odysseus: my goodness, she's really trying her best. I feel kind of bad how terribly she's doing
I love how Siren-olpe keeps looking more and more agitated that her prey isn’t just throwing himself at her, since this usually WORKS by now.
Ody all shy and the all black bit was awesome! "Penelope" just getting more pissed is hilarious xD
I love that in the expression of Ody at seeing his "daughter" he changes a little to a more resolved face. Like being slapped with the fact that the thing is not his wife even if it looks like her and that definitely not his son.
2:31 lol I love the sass Odysseus has lol. The hand on the hip lol ahaha
1:22 it’s the “oh no….” For me 💀 she sounds like she doesn’t give a shi-
I mean- she probably doesn’t 😂😂
Right but if you’re pretending to be someone’s wife at least act like it. I ensure you that Penelope wouldnt not give a shi- about that
@@_Valentino4ever_ you know you’re right. But I think that in this case the siren just got cocky and already assumed that she had him
@@danawilliam5676 oh. That makes sense!
"That's crazy"
I love how the sirens begin to disappear until it's only the fake Penelope! And i also like how she get's angry at the end! Overall, BEAUTIFUL animatic!
I love the range of emotions showed here, first Odyssey sadness at seeing Penelope then , then the genuine anguish at hearing Scylla and that litter smirk he does when he got his needed information and just waiting for his for the crew to finish up I love it. As for the Siren I love how she keeps up her act but get nervous when it takes longer then normal
0:12 I give you: CHIBI ODYSSEUS!
Chibisseus?
im glad i watched the wip at the same time this was posted LMAO it hasnt even been a week but there's already thunder saga animatics 😭❤
Same tho, I literally just finished watching the wip and commenting on it and now CZcams recommended the final version 😂
Hahaha thank you sm for watching!! The song was just so good that I had to devote all my time into making this 😆
Love the little smirk when she introduces the daughter- I honestly feel like this is the most accurate. After so long he definitely missed Penelope and may have even been drawn in but the daughter part solidified what he knew- this was an illusion.
I love the way you do the body language of both Orpheus and the fake Penelope. Especially when you show his secret smile and how fake Penelope got frustrated at the end!!
*Odysseus lol
Wrong Greek Character starting with an O lol
Ik the sirens are trying to kill them, but they offered more useful info than the actual prophet
What funny is that in Odyssey, it's prophet who tells them not to eat Helios cattle and to get there, they need to go through Scylla or Charybdis.
Odysseus and crew went to back to Circe for the maps and she told Odysseus that it's better to went to Scylla.
The fandom will never stop amazing me with how fast they can get these animations out
I love the fact that penolepe said such a “oh no”
“Oh I would but i”d be suffering trying to float the whole time” with the hand reaching and the backing up and dropping down 😙🤌 💯
I was watching the rough version and just got this in ny recommended! This is sooo pretty! Your linework is amazing!
Thank you so much!!
"Through the lair of Scylla"
-Siren Penelope, 2024
I do like the steady annoyance the siren shows as the song goes on- like she's only willing to play along for so long, never having needed to before
Suffering: whyyy you know im too scared hehe
Different Beast: You may have outsmarted me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting!
Scylla: [insert screaming]
Odysseus is changing! If during the cyclops saga he was "we take no pleasure in his pain" represented that he cares about morality but here he is blatantly cheating and playing with the sirens. He is indeed extracting information but he is also enjoying how tormented the sirens are from his jokes. He now takes "pleasure" in his enemy's pain! Knowing full well she's fake but wanting her to lose her composure herself shows how bad he has become! 😮
siren penelope: what is blud yappin about?
I love the look on Odysseus' face when the illusion daughter starts running around his boat
i love penelope/the siren slowly getting more and more annoyed with ody’s whining LMAOOO
I love this so much! I love how you made it the sirens react in the beginning whenever he said he’s afraid of the water, and a great detail that the siren that is singing is disguised as his wife because it’s one of their abilities to shape shift, and how you begin to make the siren that was singing get angry because he keeps refusing to get in the water, And either the hair down whenever she gets angry at the end that just shows how angry she’s getting and is slowly letting go the form of his wife or it’s just like for a dramatic effect like a lot of things. Also, this frame 2:04
Also, please do different beasts, but that’s only if you want to. I just want to see that in your animation and style
The epic fandom works so fadt
Ikr, I haven't seen a fandom this dedicated since the Dream SMP fandom.
Odysseus is SO DRAMATIC I LOVE IT LMAO also 1:44 is such a beautiful shot!! And "Penelope" getting more frustrated as time goes on is GREAT her expressions are so funny! Especially love the last shot with the crew standing at the ready
YOU DREW THIS SO QUICKLY WHAT!? Also everything looks so amazing and love the small details you put to fit the songs story. This exactly how I pictured the song to go in my head.
Thank you so much sfagfaqfa
Penelope's "oh no" souns so sarcastic
Are we going to address that he wanted to lure the sirens to his ship 🤣 😂 2:15
Anyone notice the disgust in his face when she mentions the daughter?
i mean the siren just guest and he might be disgusted because the siren is copying the love of his life
FULL SPEED AHEAD!! no seriously that was so fast and the art is GORGEOUS!!
The siren getting progressively more annoyed and impatient with Ody’s BS is so good in this, well done!
No way! I just finished the WIP!!! Amazing work!!
I have literally watched the rough version just now and when I went to check your profile for more animatics, the full version was there!
I love how more and more annoyed the siren's getting. And Poseidon's trident 😀(love it) Also Odyseuss just 👍🙂👍... brilliant!
I'm so glad you both liked it!!
I don't know what I love more, that Odysseus made a point to mess with the sirens even after he got the info he needed, or how annoyed the siren is
"oh no....."
oooh, the way "Penelope" was growing irritated, nice touch. And ofc Ody scheming
I just love the color shift when talking about Poseidon and Scylla!!
I love how the sirens in the backround slowly disappear! Adds so much. (Especially considering Different Beast)
Wow, you're so fast! This is amazing, I love the way you draw "Penelope" her hair looks so pretty ❤️ you nailed this song !! :D And 1:38 is so smooth, and I love the manipulation here
This is so well done!! ❤ I love the sirens' "wtf" looks when Odysseus says he's scared of water, Odysseus' face when he says "Ok, so-", the reveal of Scylla, and the detail that the other sirens are disappearing as the song goes on.
Just an overall phenomenon job!!
Thank you!
Her agitation comes through so much! I love how you draw subtle yet impacting emotions.
Odysseus is stronger than me cause if I was him I would fold IMMEDIATELY at that "Oh no!"
How you drew Odysseus’s hair is such a vibe, he looks like a silly billy anime girl.
I love how she starts getting impatient towards the end of the song. i imagined she'd be that way bc she answered his question and he's still not JUMPING IN THE WATER !!
PLEASE PLEASE do more!!! I LOVE your art style and interpretation. I love Ody's smirk towards the end after the other Siren's are taken. I love how the lead Siren looks EXTREMELY uncomfortable without the others around. Please continue!!
This was good, I like seeing the siren grow more frustrated as the song went on and how pained Odysseus looked as he was singing with her.
the sirens face when she says "of course" kills me 😂😂😂
I love how nervous and annoyed the siren is getting, and the others disappearing half way through, great animatic!
I do feel bad for the sirens, they're just doing their usual hunting and they ran into Odysseus post underworld.
What sadder is that in Odyssey, the sirens are fated to die once sailors survive their songs. When Odysseus and his crew did, they faded.
This is my fixation right now. Thank you for making it look so beautiful
0:37 How did Odysseus not notice she said "daughter" and not "son" because I'm pretty sure Telemachus is their only child
He did. In the next song, different beasts, he explains everything
Finally someone made the sirens not fish.
Sirens are birds but it's a start
The way I immediately subscribed and ran to check out what else you've uploaded, only to find this is the only video. You're fantastic! The details you put into each shot are phenomenal, I can't wait to see what else you make in the future!
This animatic is amazing! It captures the emotions of the song so perfectly, and I love the way that the characters are drawn interacting. 🤩
Your art style is so pretty! I like how you showed Odysseus fighting with himself to remember that the siren isn't Penelope. And how you made Penelope more angry as the song went on.
This is the best animatic for Suffering now
The script says Odysseus shoots "Penel(No)pe"
but a Soldier (or Eurylochus) in the back doing it because their attention was on Him makes more sense
This is honestly so pretty, I could just watch this over and over, enjoying the animation. I love the way you drew everything, I love your expressions, the intro, when the siren tells Odysseus how to get home, as well as the sly ending with Odysseus stringing the siren along
Thank you so much!! So glad you liked it hehe
Absolutely adore your art style here, and your depiction of “Penelope” is great, idk if this was on purpose but in some frames her hair forms the silhouette of snakes which I find as a really interesting way to hint at her deceit and overall the ways you visualize things (Scylla’s silhouette overlapping with “Penelope”, showing a flash of the waves and storms sent by Poseidon as well as Poseidon, the other Sirens on the rock, Odysseus’s “daughter”, and the facial expressions) just elevates an already amazing song
Omg, I think this is my favorite ever. Every tiny detail is so amazingly done
loved the emotions; especially the "oh no..."
Wonderful animatic, i can't wait for this to get more popular as more animations come out for this new saga
The Siren is just done with him and is "Why's it taking so long to lure him?!" xD
Perfect in all aspects in my opinion
Amazing work! I love the way you hide the siren’s tails from sight, and especially enjoy the sadistic smile Odysseus has at the end
I live for that "oh no"
That "Oh no..." gesture was impeccable lmao. I always picture her doing exactly that with such a unempathetic face. It's so funny every time.
Six hundred men.
Six hundred men died under your command...
I love your art style, and I have to say that you have the best video for this song I've seen so far. I just wish the sirens were in the water at least once
I vote anything else from the Epic saga!! You're so good!!
Dude id love to see Different Beast or Scylla animated in your artstyle, But This is honestly amazing!! Keep up the awesome work
I love the kinda "bouncy" effect your animation style has I'm over here analysing it like frame by frame trying to figure out how you do it 😅😅
he's so dramatic i love it sm
Holy crap this is amazing! The facial expressions are killing it! And their positioning makes so much more sense here, than how i envisioned it myself. Thank you so much for this!
Siren: “~Come and play with our daughter~!”
Odysseus: *No, look, I was...Wait a minute. Penelope would never say that* (Ice Age 4)
I like how you made Penelope higher than Odysseus more than if she was below him in the water
I love the look at the 2 min mark. Ody has the intel the plan is going without a hitch and he knows it
of the few Suffering animatics i've seen so far, i noticed some people make it so 'Penelope' has stuff like obvious fins and a fish tail and/or they make it too obvious that Odysseus is tricking them. but like, that's giving the game away. this is the first animatic(so far) I've seen that's NOT doing that, and I love it for that.
cause for this song, you have to be a little subtle, at least through the first parts of it. you need to confuse the audience a bit. since its genuinely some good misdirection here, having more obvious hints of the Siren's trap, but those obvious hints hide the way more subtle hints of Odysseus' trap. given how secret these two songs were before they were released, its clear that as the song starts the audience is intended to not know immediately this is the encounter with the Sirens, but they'll be able to tell 'Panelope' is a trap if they're paying attention(or know the original story), but are then taken by surprise by the start of Different Beast and by Odysseus actually being the one trapping them instead of falling for it. there's layers to it. you don't want to make all obvious from the start.