Primal Rage II - What Happened?

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  • @devilmaylol
    @devilmaylol Před 3 lety +595

    Fun fact: Mortal Kombat 11 has a Primal Rage arcade cabinet on the far left-hand side of its Retrocade stage.

    • @johndewberryiii9925
      @johndewberryiii9925 Před 3 lety +27

      Never noticed

    • @uselesslysexy
      @uselesslysexy Před 3 lety +24

      Seriously? I have to go take a look now. Although I'm usually too busy getting my a** handed to me to notice

    • @gc3k
      @gc3k Před 3 lety +23

      I don't see a remake happening, fighting games these days don't take risks with unproven brands. They'll probably add the PR characters as DLC for MK12

    • @gabbo7101
      @gabbo7101 Před 2 lety +13

      @@silverreaps6803 na, it would suck ass, and thats not even mentioning the lack of stop motion scans as sprites, and definite charm of some 90s fighting games

    • @ramseydoon8277
      @ramseydoon8277 Před 2 lety

      That is fun🤓

  • @flair541
    @flair541 Před 3 lety +513

    Rage fans: "I'll give you money for this."
    WB: "No."

    • @BigEOT3
      @BigEOT3 Před 3 lety +41

      [Zack Snyder Fanboys:Restore the little things.]
      [WB Exec:You got it dude.]

    • @flair541
      @flair541 Před 3 lety +15

      @@animezilla4486 Yeah, but imagine it as a Third person brawler like War of the Monsters or the Override games. But with dinosaur blood and grungy graphics.

    • @JoeMama-me2yj
      @JoeMama-me2yj Před 2 lety +3

      Yup,sounds accurate...

    • @Bman32x
      @Bman32x Před měsícem +1

      WB: but let us nickel and dime you for seasonal content cosmetics in games we didn’t put any effort into
      Us: no, FU

  • @kagekaiser9270
    @kagekaiser9270 Před 3 lety +771

    "They brought the competition so they can no longer compete."
    Disney in a nutshell.

    • @Petey0707
      @Petey0707 Před 3 lety +89

      Capitalism in a nutshell.
      EA does this shit a lot, too. As does Blizzard and now Bethesda is getting their hands dirty, Crying shame.

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat Před 3 lety +91

      @@Petey0707 The irony is capitalism doesn't work if there is no more competition, it's essentially fake. Just a few big corporations pumping out the same crap over and over with nobody around able to compete against them with new ideas.

    • @Cryster99
      @Cryster99 Před 3 lety +3

      Any business really

    • @streeterville773
      @streeterville773 Před 3 lety +7

      @@KuroNoTenno No, they were right the first time. Capitalism.

    • @joeykeilholz925
      @joeykeilholz925 Před 3 lety +13

      ISPs, Intel, Nvidia, hedge funds, so many examples

  • @AutotuneOverlord
    @AutotuneOverlord Před 3 lety +745

    This and Bloody Roar both need revivals like Killer Instinct.

    • @johndewberryiii9925
      @johndewberryiii9925 Před 3 lety +49

      Bloody roar was that shit Long was my dude I played that for months straight on ps1

    • @altnova6643
      @altnova6643 Před 3 lety +19

      @@johndewberryiii9925 My hands can still feel the sore from practicing Bakuryu combos on a pc keyboard through emulation since I didn't own a PS1.

    • @SolidSnake240
      @SolidSnake240 Před 3 lety +14

      @@ThePeasantRock16 Clayfighters was honestly mediocre even back then. I have the game and played it recently....didnt age well at all lol

    • @BigK13372
      @BigK13372 Před 3 lety +9

      @@ThePeasantRock16 Honestly get Stoopid Monkey and the guys who did KI (2013) involved and I would totally play the Clayfighter revival.

    • @BigK13372
      @BigK13372 Před 3 lety +18

      I wouldn’t mind a new Eternal Champions

  • @eman2863
    @eman2863 Před 3 lety +441

    Funny how Midway bought out and dissolved Atari arcade and then Midway got bought and dissolved by WB

  • @brendanroberts1310
    @brendanroberts1310 Před 3 lety +448

    No gonna lie that Chris Tang had a sick dreamcast jacket.

    • @johndewberryiii9925
      @johndewberryiii9925 Před 3 lety +16

      I was just saying that to myself lol

    • @captaintony1227
      @captaintony1227 Před 3 lety +12

      That's the first thing I thought! I miss my dreamcast. Boy did Sega fuck up bad to still go bankrupt after it came out. It was way better than the competition.

    • @djhero0071
      @djhero0071 Před 3 lety +11

      You can blame their insistence on releasing stupid add-ons for the Genesis, screwing over retailers with the Saturn reveal, and focusing almost exclusively on arcade ports with Saturn and Dreamcast for the Dreamcast’s demise. The Dreamcast was definitely a unique console with a lot of potential but Sega made a LOT of mistakes up to that point that culminated in their bankruptcy.

  • @Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r
    @Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r Před 3 lety +408

    Midway: This sequel can’t exist
    Galloping Ghost: You see, now that’s where you’re wrong.

  • @PrinnyWesker
    @PrinnyWesker Před 3 lety +868

    Holy shit, you just cleared up a childhood mystery for me. I loved the fuck out of that toyline as a kid but I had no idea who the cool zombie dragon was and why he wasn't in the game. I legit kept renting the game because I was convinced he had to be in there somewhere. It drove me nuts.

    • @Igarappappa
      @Igarappappa Před 3 lety +59

      Glad you can finally put that mystery to rest. XD

    • @andrewdennis0
      @andrewdennis0 Před 3 lety +22

      Wow I forgot all about renting games

    • @zachiswayposi1
      @zachiswayposi1 Před 2 lety +13

      Damn, he wasn't lying when he mentioned unlocking a core memory.

    • @GrayVMhan
      @GrayVMhan Před 2 lety +7

      @@andrewdennis0 I miss it. It's wasn't a demo or a trial version just the full game for the weekend two for like 5 dollars, helped me dodge a couple of bad buys.

    • @AnungUnRama987
      @AnungUnRama987 Před 2 lety

      czcams.com/video/jMynNFZbDJg/video.html&ab_channel=GallopingGhostArcade
      you could actually play primal rage 2 , this arcade managed to get one of the few prototype boards made before cancelled (arcade is still active and bigger)

  • @falselancer6957
    @falselancer6957 Před 3 lety +362

    Find someone who talks about you the way Matt McMuscles talks about Kaiju.

  • @GEEKFREAK02
    @GEEKFREAK02 Před 3 lety +390

    We need a Jump Force - What Happened?

    • @DestinyZX1
      @DestinyZX1 Před 3 lety +73

      I want a Balan Wonderworld Wha Happun

    • @noodlessemcup
      @noodlessemcup Před 3 lety +12

      Yeah, something got really wrong with that one. I think that Matt is aware, since he already showed some footage of it on other videos when mentioning games that went wrong.

    • @ZeroZXDev
      @ZeroZXDev Před 3 lety +18

      I was gonna say there probably wasn't much of a story there outside of "mid-tier licensed anime game trying to do far more than what it's low budget could realistically achieve", but I am curious as to the who and why they thought that game was a good idea.

    • @hamie96
      @hamie96 Před 3 lety +4

      Low budget + Rushed Development

    • @SolidSnake240
      @SolidSnake240 Před 3 lety +13

      @@ZeroZXDev J Stars was a much better game. Jump Force is basically that game but somehow worse lol

  • @taltra9922
    @taltra9922 Před 3 lety +261

    The game had so much to love: giant monsters, post-apocalypse and brutal finishers. The whole Primal Rage universe needs a revival!

    • @josephchagan9015
      @josephchagan9015 Před 2 lety +10

      They also had awesome cabinets. I remember the one by me was one of those giant white flat screen jams with the super loud sound system. You could hear "RAGE" the second you walked into the place.
      www.vintagearcade.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/primal_rage_arcade_game.jpg

    • @yoda908
      @yoda908 Před rokem +3

      What I enjoyed about the primal rage game is the part of the story where you win a new piece of land. As opposed to MK in which it was just a new fighter on the tower. It gave it more of a story and reason for you to win.

  • @MegapiemanPHD
    @MegapiemanPHD Před 3 lety +197

    The stop motion in these titles is fantastic. It's like playing a Ray Harryhaussen film.

    • @Ramsey276one
      @Ramsey276one Před 3 lety +9

      Some one to Google today!
      XD

    • @socksleeve
      @socksleeve Před 2 lety +6

      I'm honestly shocked at how good it looks. Its honestly hard to believe it's a game and not a cartoon.
      Edit: I just realized what it is: it's like a playable Robot Chicken episode

    • @poindextertunes
      @poindextertunes Před rokem

      nice name drop 🔥

    • @davidc.8755
      @davidc.8755 Před rokem

      Seth Green is a p@dophile

    • @ChoppaBoy
      @ChoppaBoy Před rokem +3

      I keep saying that any remake should keep the stop-motion look and lean into the Harryhausen thing.

  • @salad9166
    @salad9166 Před 3 lety +303

    Man it would’ve been dope to see Reptile as a secret fighter in Primal Rage

  • @BolverkAtlasia
    @BolverkAtlasia Před 3 lety +55

    "I'm sure a lot of you have PTSD from MK3 Shang Tsung."
    Ah yes, nothing quite like getting snapped out of a dreaming state and into fight or flight mode from such a simple line.

  • @ShadowknightEX
    @ShadowknightEX Před 3 lety +64

    Ed Boon did a poll of people wanted a monster verse fighting game after the release of Godzilla vs Kong. Should such a game come to fruition, it could theoretically be a test bed for a Prinal Rage reboot.

    • @Babylauncher3000
      @Babylauncher3000 Před 3 lety +12

      Neatherrealm rebooting Primal Rage in anyway would be a dream come true. No studio on the planet is more qualified.

    • @ShadowknightEX
      @ShadowknightEX Před 3 lety +2

      @@Babylauncher3000 maybe Iron Galaxy. But I’m 90 percent sure that Warner brothers owns the IP

    • @Babylauncher3000
      @Babylauncher3000 Před 3 lety +5

      @@ShadowknightEX Getting the IP often feels like 90% of the struggle.

    • @ChargeQM
      @ChargeQM Před 2 lety +3

      Test bed my ass. Do a Primal Rage kaiju game where we tear ass across post-apocalyptic stone-punk Earth, crashing through the ruins of old towns and squashing chanting worshipers flat with our massive clawed feet.

  • @AzzyReal
    @AzzyReal Před 3 lety +114

    Wait Neatherrealm/WB owns the Primal Rage license? Wait does that mean that tweet from Ed Boon about a Kaiju fighting game was referring to a Primal Rage reboot? 👁

    • @johndewberryiii9925
      @johndewberryiii9925 Před 3 lety +35

      Hmmm that would be super smart right now

    • @Rolfhn
      @Rolfhn Před 3 lety +12

      The only reason they have the Ip was to kill the game, Boon was probably referring a future Godzilla game

    • @jerm70
      @jerm70 Před 3 lety +4

      @@Rolfhn Who knows. Having a refreshing IP that isn't Mortal Kombat or Injustice might be something that Ed Boon would like.

    • @Rolfhn
      @Rolfhn Před 3 lety +1

      @@jerm70 I would love to have Primal Rage Back but I doubt it will never happen, also part of what made it so unique was the Stop Motion with real models, if a new game with just 3D graphics was released it would never feel like Primal Rage. Also the term Kaiju after the success of Godzilla vs Kong is sure to mean a game about Godzilla universe. My only hope would be an indie studio making a game with the same style and stop motion.

    • @garya7021
      @garya7021 Před 3 lety +2

      @@RyuEnGamer Here ya go: Atari Games -> Midway -> Williams -> IP's to WBIE (via bankruptcy) -> AT&T

  • @mckstellar1005
    @mckstellar1005 Před 3 lety +96

    That was actually really smart 6:21 a good way to listen to feedback but not isolating players who loved fighting as beasts

  • @Handofcrom13
    @Handofcrom13 Před 3 lety +132

    I only played Chaos because he had a fart attack and I thought that was funny. Also because monkey. How the devs interpretted that into meaning we prefer human characters is a mystery to me.

    • @ChargeQM
      @ChargeQM Před 2 lety +12

      Mmm... Monkey.

    • @NpausAsHawj
      @NpausAsHawj Před 2 lety +16

      as a kid, I played a lot of diablo. I wasn't a fan of apes punching. I like the idea of trex chomping and blood gushing.

    • @theblocksays
      @theblocksays Před rokem +4

      I think to quote that gag in Nostalgia Critic with the corporate suits, "But the chart says......" LOL

    • @DrewPicklesTheDark
      @DrewPicklesTheDark Před rokem

      I love monsters fighting much more. Vertigo was the one I liked as a kid since she was snake-like.

  • @tinselfrog3596
    @tinselfrog3596 Před 3 lety +37

    I read "Primal Rage: The Avatars" when it came out. I remember it being fun as hell with lots of gore and monster stuff. It's basically the plot of the game, mainly following Bizzard's avatar as he goes across Urth to try and recruit the other avatars to fight Necrosan, who's sealed the Gods away. And since I read it around the same time, Necrosan had Beast Wars Megatron as his voice in my head, with the rest of the cast as the other Gods. It was pretty awesome.

    • @Igarappappa
      @Igarappappa Před rokem +2

      I did that a lot as a kid, give the characters the voices of characters from shows.

  • @activatewindows
    @activatewindows Před 3 lety +26

    “What Happened” reminds me of those really good game docs on early G4.
    “There’s no way this will get cancelled.”
    Midway: “Anyway, so we started blastin’.”

  • @planetschlock
    @planetschlock Před 3 lety +47

    All things considered, it's pretty amazing what the Primal Rage II team was able to accomplish in just 24 months. I'm trying to wrap my head around the sheer amount of work that went into all that stop motion animation.

  • @kurunatako1333
    @kurunatako1333 Před 3 lety +59

    Yay. This is the first time the "Yea that makes sense" isn't meet with an ire of rage.

  • @randucke
    @randucke Před 3 lety +18

    Chris Tang is also the "Boom, Tetris for Jeff" guy.

  • @mephilisthedarkelijahramat182

    The balan vid probably won't happen for a while until we get more info

  • @ShibuNub3305
    @ShibuNub3305 Před 3 lety +328

    Can’t wait for the invasion of “Do Balan WonderWorld” comments.
    That being said, please do Balan Wonderworld.
    Edit: So guys, we did it

    • @sano-br
      @sano-br Před 3 lety +11

      please do Balan Wonderworld ²

    • @Robin0928
      @Robin0928 Před 3 lety +15

      Was going to come to the comment section for this exact thing. So yes, please do Balan Wonderworld because what the fuck happun?

    • @MatthewCobalt
      @MatthewCobalt Před 3 lety +7

      I'll join that pile-on.
      Matt, please do Balan Wonderworld.

    • @mckstellar1005
      @mckstellar1005 Před 3 lety +9

      He needs more time for that awful game to stew.... but I bet in a year or 2 he'll probably do it

    • @Robin0928
      @Robin0928 Před 3 lety +5

      @@mckstellar1005 not now, but soon... the McMuscles will rise

  • @adamkeasey655
    @adamkeasey655 Před 3 lety +40

    Having been born in 1990, Primal Rage was right up my alley as a kid, along with Jurassic Park & Godzilla. I had action figures, & remember a couple of the toys they released in anticipation for Primal Rage 2. What a nostalgia trip this was.

    • @eh2396
      @eh2396 Před 3 lety +7

      I think you and I are the same person.

  • @Igarappappa
    @Igarappappa Před 3 lety +12

    Fun Fact: In an issue of Dragon Magazine (D&D Magazine) they gave stats for Blizzard, Talon, and Vertigo both as Creatures and as gods that Clerics could get spells from. They get the exact thing they're god of wrong, but it's still cool. It's issue 223 if interested.

  • @SpadeMate
    @SpadeMate Před 3 lety +161

    This is one of the reasons I'm always pretty uneasy of large industry purchases (like what just happened with Bethesda and Microsoft). I like diversity in the gaming industry. Would be cool if Mortal Kombat and Primal Rage coexisted for greater consumer options.

    • @Daniel-qi3qv
      @Daniel-qi3qv Před 3 lety +4

      At least maybe now Bethesda games will have less bugs in their games.

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 3 lety +18

      I would have simply made it another Mortal Kombat game and tried to work it into the greater mythos. "Oh yeah, there's this other realm. Whatever. These are the gods that don't return Raiden's calls"

    • @jamesstuart5877
      @jamesstuart5877 Před 3 lety +18

      @@Tareltonlives In a story filled with alternative timelines, this would have been the one where the gods of Urth are actually part of another so-called Earthrealm that Raiden failed to protect.

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 3 lety +4

      @@jamesstuart5877 Oh, I like that idea

    • @gabbo7101
      @gabbo7101 Před 2 lety +6

      without regulations and anti-lobbying measures, smaller and smaller companies will be bought out by larger corporations, until utter monoplies form. This is what happens when capitalism isnt regulated enough. 30% or more of the entire entertainment industry is owned by disney, and they arnt gonna stop growing. Unless something is done about this, expect the entire country to be owned by and ruled by only a 2 or 3 corporations sometime in the future.

  • @SetzarothTV
    @SetzarothTV Před 3 lety +42

    Of all the game franchises to get a reboot/remake this needs to be one

  • @Marioshrooms
    @Marioshrooms Před 3 lety +60

    God I would love a Wha Happun for Jump force or Balan Wonderworld. Though my inner Sonic fan is screaming for some insight on just what happened to Balan.

  • @GenerationWest
    @GenerationWest Před 3 lety +673

    This has become one of those titles that I've only known through you lol

    • @badvibesforever711
      @badvibesforever711 Před 3 lety +5

      I remember there being a game on the ps2 that had a bunch of these weird old games on them

    • @bobafett4265
      @bobafett4265 Před 3 lety +5

      @@badvibesforever711 you mean Midway Arcade Treasures which they made Three on the PS2 with the first Primal Rage being on the second volume along with most of the Mortal Kombat games.

    • @panbat2367
      @panbat2367 Před 3 lety +3

      Lol that's most of these videos for me.

    • @Parisella
      @Parisella Před 3 lety +13

      you guys sure know how to make a guy feel old.

    • @mikevega2023
      @mikevega2023 Před 3 lety +7

      Primal rage was popular back in the days. Im surprised the franchise died

  • @charlesanthony6368
    @charlesanthony6368 Před 3 lety +7

    That line 'you're wrong and also lame' had me laughing my ass off at 4am lmfao I'm gonna be saying that to people fr days

  • @crowmki9688
    @crowmki9688 Před 3 lety +24

    I’ve played this a few times at Galloping Ghost and I’ve really enjoyed my time with it. A Primal Rage collection with both titles would be awesome.

  • @Silvernite
    @Silvernite Před 3 lety +16

    I grew up around the Galloping Ghost. They always had unique and hard to find game cabinets, so when they got a hold of Primal Rage II a group of us went the first weekend open to the public. HOLY CRAP there were so many people there and the air of excitement was like Christmas morning when you were 8.

  • @Otakukunoichi
    @Otakukunoichi Před 3 lety +44

    Matt: The rights now belong to Warner Brothers...
    My Boyfriend watching with me: PRIMAL RAGE 3 WITH GODZILLA FROM GODZILLA AS A GUEST CHARACTER!

  • @AgentZombieMan
    @AgentZombieMan Před 3 lety +11

    Episode Idea: Telltale Games.
    Just, the company in-general. I feel like there's enough bumbles, mismanagement, and controversy to make a full episode.

  • @TenDropChris
    @TenDropChris Před 3 lety +67

    Of all the games cancelled over the years, this one always hits the hardest for me. I remember having this game, the toys, and everything I could get my hands on about it. I really wish they decided to either reboot or at least finish this series. I'd love to see it on modern consoles that could handle its specs.

    • @Igarappappa
      @Igarappappa Před 2 lety +4

      Least you can play it now.

    • @forestthomer938
      @forestthomer938 Před 11 měsíci

      I still have my toys.

    • @kirbyjoe7484
      @kirbyjoe7484 Před 5 měsíci

      I miss this franchise, such a lost opportunity. I was one of those kids who liked to hang out at the arcade back in my teens and fighting games were my jam. Although Street Fighter 2 was what got me into the genre it got kind of got stale after playing it to death for like a year straight which is when I turned to some of the more niche and interesting titles that sprouted up afterward. Even though Primal Rage was mechanically a bit overly simple, I loved the aesthetic. Along with Dark Stalkers, Primal Rage was truly different from the rest of the SF II imitations that flooded the market. When I heard they were making a second one I was so looking forward to it... and then it just never came. Seeing this video finally solved the mystery of how such cool and popular arcade game ended up getting the axe.
      With a second installment that solved the problems the first game had with a lack of depth in the fighting mechanics and character roster, Primal Rage could have become one of the truly great fight game franchises, but instead, it was axed by corporate greed and short-sightedness never to see the light of day again.

  • @jensjohnson5209
    @jensjohnson5209 Před 2 lety +3

    I had a pal that worked for Midway in the 90’s. I can confirm that management and marketing drove him crazy. Management would say “make a Mortal Konbat game but not actually Mortal Kombat”. My friends team had so many great game ideas that got killed by lack of vision. I guess that’s why they are no longer making games.

  • @magusomnius3201
    @magusomnius3201 Před 3 lety +7

    "i too know what it's like to have a dream that I'll never achieve"
    -Bender B. Rodriguez

  • @Harukurochan
    @Harukurochan Před 3 lety +28

    I’m glad that we got a happier edition of “What Happened” today, though I do wish that the devs were able to see this game release when it was originally intended.
    Since you’ve been talking about monsters a lot recently, how about a “What Happened” on the “Dark Universe” franchise, aka the multiverse franchise that never was?

  • @NaturesTemper
    @NaturesTemper Před 3 lety +50

    Feathered dinosaurs are cool

    • @MattMcMuscles
      @MattMcMuscles  Před 3 lety +19

      hahah

    • @Shaun_Jones
      @Shaun_Jones Před 3 lety +20

      The feathered dinosaurs look cooler than the old ones. I swear this is a hill I will die on.

    • @MattMcMuscles
      @MattMcMuscles  Před 3 lety +20

      Stay on that hill with your turkeys

    • @Carcharadroid
      @Carcharadroid Před 3 lety +11

      @@MattMcMuscles scientific accuracy is more important than cool factor at the end of the day -- but as far as cool factor goes, i think dinos with feathers CAN look cool
      Anyway, this video has me wallowing in equal parts nostalgia and depression. I always wished there'd been more Primal Rage...well, anything! D: It was such a fun game....

    • @TheFlamingDraco
      @TheFlamingDraco Před 3 lety +6

      Hell yeah, feathers for the win.

  • @evanhanley6437
    @evanhanley6437 Před 3 lety +58

    Man this was an amazing video. Fair play to Gruntzilla94 for making a MAME version of the game playable. Nice to know Chris Tang is doing well and that people still enjoy Primal Rage.

  • @juliaannbenavidez3696
    @juliaannbenavidez3696 Před rokem +4

    Poor guy two year's of hard work gone..I bet his eye's lid up when he saw the primal rage two arcade cabinet working in action over 15 year's later. God willing it will come back officially since arcade home cabinets have been making a huge combat lately. Nothing beats the arcades. I can't believe they're was even a generation not experiencing them growing up..such a crime.

  • @crh71288
    @crh71288 Před 3 lety +18

    They really did make a novelation of anything.

  • @StikPeopleComikz
    @StikPeopleComikz Před 3 lety +14

    A reboot with an updated art style of this would be sick and I'd buy the heck out of it

  • @kurtcobain279489
    @kurtcobain279489 Před 3 lety +12

    Thinking of other dinosaur centric series that could get covered, the Dino Crisis trilogy would make a good Wha Huppand episode I'd imagine. The first game being made as an RE clone (from the same company that MADE RE originally), to it's weird arcadey sequel, to it's scorned final third entry that has left the series nearly forgotten in the sands of time.

    • @tedjomuljono3052
      @tedjomuljono3052 Před 3 lety +1

      The creator is swimming in success tho, apparently lawyers garners more money than dinosaurs, and at a fraction of the budget

  • @Gruntzilla94
    @Gruntzilla94 Před 3 lety +18

    (FYI: this is a pretty long comment)
    Great video. Really enjoyed watching it and it was very informative as well for those who don't know about the game or what happened with it. Still is very cool that this game can be played on the actual hardware at GGA and through emulation. When I was in the middle of emulating the first hurdle, the hard drive loading on it's own, I actually made my way to GGA to play the original machine to make sure that what I was playing emulation wise at the time was the same game since Primal Rage 1 was so bad due to protection. I was surprised the only difference I saw, other then the incorrect loading from time to time in emulation, was that on the actual game selecting the gods required something like 4 seconds and on MAME it was 2 seconds, before I even touched the source code for MAME btw. The hardware for anyone wanting to know is a variant of the Sony ZN1, a coin-op version of the Playstation 1. This particular variant for Primal Rage 2 is special since it replaces the standard 2MB of RAM for a whopping, at the time, 8MB of RAM to hold the information for I believe the sprites mainly since it used a very interesting way of streaming the sprites off the HDD.
    The gods were actually disabled from appearing from the game in this test build. Years ago when I was looking in the program roms to find out how certain parts of the game where loading and worked I found the character select array which contains the entire character select screen defaults, the default at this time would be both avatars and gods visible from the start of the game. Meta would need to hold up for and Necrosan was likely pressing up a certain number of times since the game counts the number of times up is pressed on character select and resets it whenever the player presses other directions just like when the Necrosan bit is lifted to allow up to change the players character to Necrosan and other directions disabled the bit and removed Necrosan from up. However there is something that is stopping the game from reading the entire array and only reading the last 8 bits which are the human avatars. If I remember correctly, it was because the devs wanted to see how players would react to the human cast.
    This version of the game is also not the most complete version the games source code contains the actual final build of the game which Chris Tang called the final lab build of the game adding new stuff and fixing glitches such as Talon's "Slide from Hell" as many dub Talon's slide in the current build we have. The source code is out there but who knows if it will ever be actually built and the resulting ROMs dumped. We can dream though about what was in that final version.
    To you Matt, I really like these what happened videos. I watched your KI one first and now this one was recommended to me so I just had to watch it. Keep up the great work!

  • @DangerVille
    @DangerVille Před 3 lety +34

    I should really give this a go! I’ve heard about it for my whole life but never played it.

    • @elecspark
      @elecspark Před 2 lety +1

      What the- hey DangerVille! It would mean the world to me if the two and only Alastair and Jacob made a video on this franchise!

  • @GuiltyOne438
    @GuiltyOne438 Před 3 lety +21

    For the record, I played as Blizzard because he was a gorilla version of Sub-Zero and because the ice powers made him a lot less overly gory, not because he has hands and feet.

    • @Rodrigo_Vega
      @Rodrigo_Vega Před 3 lety +6

      Indeed the change to humanoids (even if optional) seems really misguided to me. Like there could be a million reasons like yours why the gorillas were chosen over the dinosaurs.

    • @Sazandora123
      @Sazandora123 Před 3 lety +6

      @@Rodrigo_Vega Yeah, I took a liking to this game because it felt so unique. Giant dinosaurs (and two gorillas) instead of humans. While I disagree with PR2's decision to focus on the human avatars, I'm glad they still included the dinosaur gods as playable characters, too. Vertigo is my favorite.

    • @mrassassinscreedfan1
      @mrassassinscreedfan1 Před 2 lety

      I also liked blizzard because he had a cool victory pose

  • @picilifedeath
    @picilifedeath Před 3 lety +8

    Didn't Ed Boon tweeted a question to public about a giant monster fighting?.
    I think the question was and I might be paraphrasing:" is there's enough giant monsters to make a fighting game?"

  • @KinkyDevil88
    @KinkyDevil88 Před 3 lety +4

    I totally had that novelization for Primal Rage. I had always thought that Necrosan and the avatar stuff was something they had made up for the book, which now makes so much more sense since it was for a game that never saw the light of day.

  • @FoxAzureOfficial
    @FoxAzureOfficial Před 3 lety +2

    Funny enough; my brother and I both received Primal Rage toys when we were young as gifts (I got Sauron and he got Vertigo). I do vividly recall my brother reading off the back of the toys' packaging "Coming soon, Primal Rage 2!" Years went by and I wondered if the game would ever be released before it just kinda drifted into the undertow of the tides of my long term memory. I'm so glad you covered this, it's an interesting story.

  • @ProfessorOtakuD2
    @ProfessorOtakuD2 Před 3 lety +5

    I have indeed read this novel, and its ... fine. Very tie-in booky. I'll have to see if I can dig it up again for a proper read-through.

  • @Archive1983
    @Archive1983 Před 3 lety +30

    Primal rage is a hidden gem tbh, shame it completely got wiped off the earth just like the dinosaurs

  • @fivestatedrive
    @fivestatedrive Před rokem +2

    I remember playing this at a Peter Piper Pizza in Corpus Christi, TX in 1996. People have told me for years I had to have been mistaken about that. Seeing this footage and hearing that there was location testing makes me feel vindicated and has unlocked some other memories.

  • @33Dannyb
    @33Dannyb Před 3 lety +8

    Yeah. Looking back i never noticed as a kid that there was never a sequel lol.

  • @JohnFawcett122
    @JohnFawcett122 Před 3 lety +51

    I'd love to see an episode on EverQuest Next.

    • @traceyrinaldi4759
      @traceyrinaldi4759 Před 3 lety +1

      I completely forgot about that game did it ever come out? I used to be big into EQ back in the day so I just erased EQ next from my brain apparently lol.

    • @ChrisAnonymous
      @ChrisAnonymous Před 3 lety +5

      Or Champions of Norrath

    • @JohnFawcett122
      @JohnFawcett122 Před 3 lety +4

      @@traceyrinaldi4759 it was completely scrapped if I recall correctly. I'd love to see a breakdown of the whys. I loved playing the original. Great memories.

    • @dedmanzombie
      @dedmanzombie Před 3 lety +4

      I was big into Ultima but we all know what happened there

    • @lonesquiff6551
      @lonesquiff6551 Před 3 lety +2

      @@ChrisAnonymous Agreed. I would love another Champions of Norrath entry too.

  • @gabeskai
    @gabeskai Před 3 lety +8

    Im so happy this had a happy ending for the guy. Hearing how the game got cancalled was heartbreaking 😢

  • @frankiebecchi5307
    @frankiebecchi5307 Před rokem +2

    As someone who has worked with stop motion I can tell you it is a extremely stressful and long process but it's really cool in the end

  • @mindphaserxy
    @mindphaserxy Před 3 lety +7

    Props to Galloping Ghost for getting one up and running.

  • @kahreeedwards
    @kahreeedwards Před 3 lety +32

    I'd love to see Dead Or Alive next

  • @Sharingan1230
    @Sharingan1230 Před 3 lety +18

    still waiting for _What Happened Shaq Fu_

  • @sophistre
    @sophistre Před 3 lety +3

    That stop motion is incredible. What a bonkers way to animate a game.

  • @ignorethis214
    @ignorethis214 Před 3 lety +5

    Loved this video! Also, as I understand, the programmers messing with emulation for Primal Rage 1 ended up making all of the home consoles different - some lacked combos, others lacked blood and fatalities, in order to make sure the arcade cabinet remained the one true version.
    I could be getting some details wrong

  • @HellaBeed
    @HellaBeed Před 3 lety +3

    I swear, just a month or two ago I was looking up "Matt McMuscles Primal Rage" and was a little disappointed you hadn't covered it. Then we get two videos in a short span of time. Sweet uncanny nostalgia.

  • @Firedrake-SP
    @Firedrake-SP Před 3 lety +8

    I hope that Primal Rage would get a reboot in a anime style artwork.

  • @Lynxan
    @Lynxan Před 3 lety +6

    I would love to find some of those puppets. They look amazing.

  • @360entertainment2
    @360entertainment2 Před 2 lety +1

    Shame we never got this back in the 90’s. The cabinet actually showing up in my area back then would’ve been more like a fever dream since the first one only showed up at my local Walmart but it being even remotely available would’ve been amazing!

  • @shaneeroh2213
    @shaneeroh2213 Před 3 lety +12

    Have you done a Wha Happun about Sleeping Dogs? That game was a true masterpiece and deserved a sequel more than just about any GTA game

  • @watsonwrote
    @watsonwrote Před 2 lety +3

    Man, I loved playing this with my sister. I can only imagine how much we would have played a sequel

  • @Dinomeat2000
    @Dinomeat2000 Před rokem +4

    Most dinos have feathers
    "The future is now old man"

  • @AudioSuede
    @AudioSuede Před 3 lety +1

    I'VE READ THAT PRIMAL RAGE NOVELIZATION! I got it at a library sale when I was a kid because I thought it looked cool and I liked the game. It's kind of interesting; in addition to the avatars in question, it added the background that each of the monsters in the game are worshipped as gods, each with their own tribes of followers. I don't remember much beyond that, but I know I read the whole thing and enjoyed it at the time.

  • @JadeFoxAlpha
    @JadeFoxAlpha Před 3 lety +5

    I remember finding out about PRII's existence through MUGEN. What a wild story this is, and a really sad way to die for Primal Rage, which deserved so much better. Still one of the best fighting games of the 90's, and I'll stand by that.

  • @thedonofthsht76-58
    @thedonofthsht76-58 Před 3 lety +4

    I swear any show or game made in the 90s was only made to sell toys🤣🤣

  • @CyberDragonEX13
    @CyberDragonEX13 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for finally making this. I've been waiting for years.

  • @downrightdreaming_5630

    Best birthday gift. Super happy to see an episode and it being about Primal Rage.

  • @Mynostalgicvideos
    @Mynostalgicvideos Před 2 lety +3

    It's horrible that no Primal Rage toys or games are made today and are barely talked about. The game and toys deserve a lot more. I just started playing the Super Nintendo game again and it makes me so happy.

  • @dr_deathfist8785
    @dr_deathfist8785 Před 3 lety +3

    Stellar work as always, Matt. Lately, I’ve been yearning to replay one of my favorite franchises from my younger years, Armored Core. Yet I can’t help but wonder, what happened there? Any chance you’d consider doing an episode on the non-assassin AC series?

  • @incandescentdream
    @incandescentdream Před 3 lety +2

    I miss Primal Rage. Lately, Ed Boon has been asking a lot of questions about people's interest in a "giant monster fighting game". He's gotten pretty good feedback so far. I'm really hoping to see some kind of Godzilla, Primal Rage type fighter in the next few years. And Netherrealm is damn good at spectacle.

  • @Chris-techgamesfood
    @Chris-techgamesfood Před rokem +1

    Love you videos mate, takes me back to my childhood!

  • @kidkytes6233
    @kidkytes6233 Před 3 lety +3

    I never knew about this! A really great watch and a nice ending in that the game can properly be appreciated. Have you ever thought about covering the near decade it took for Phantasy Star Online 2 to be released in the west? Especially when it originally had a western release planned and also shown at gaming events before launch.

    • @johndewberryiii9925
      @johndewberryiii9925 Před 3 lety

      I just saw that game I was confused. I played on Dreamcast when it came out saw screens for a sequel in Dreamcast magazine then Dreamcast died I’m glad it at least exists I got no plans of really playing it now tho

  • @kyliethelittlespider-mangirl94

    The Quiet Man deserves to be talked about here on this show

  • @oscarwilde9803
    @oscarwilde9803 Před rokem +1

    Thank you for making this episode.

  • @asnierkishcowboy
    @asnierkishcowboy Před 3 lety +2

    So there WAS an R-Zone game! And people were claiming i was crazy for years hahahah. Other R-Zone games no one seems to remember: Virtua Fighter, Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Battle Arena Toshinden.

  • @donnylurch4207
    @donnylurch4207 Před 3 lety +25

    "They just bought their competition so they couldn't compete anymore." Ah yes, the free market, once again proving its superiority by encouraging creativity and enabling diversity in options for the consumer.

    • @Otakukunoichi
      @Otakukunoichi Před 3 lety +5

      But... but... CaPiTaLiSm BrEeDs InNoVaTiOn /sarcasm 🙄

    • @LezardMan002
      @LezardMan002 Před 2 lety

      @@Otakukunoichi And quite frankly it does. When your strategy does not involve directly destroying your competition, that is.

  • @doomhakai8771
    @doomhakai8771 Před 3 lety +5

    The best part of this video was that they used Danganronpa music near the end

    • @mystic5185
      @mystic5185 Před 3 lety +2

      Glad I'm not the only that noticed. Honestly fits what happened real well.

    • @doomhakai8771
      @doomhakai8771 Před 3 lety +1

      Very well

  • @happypants9428
    @happypants9428 Před rokem +1

    What a cool story. It’s a real shame PRII never came out properly though. I was pretty young in the 90’s so I didn’t play it much, but I always wondered why the hell is everyone playing fighting games with people, when PR had you fighting as dinosaurs and and apes. It seemed like a no brainer to 6 year old me.

  • @ninjiango9126
    @ninjiango9126 Před 3 lety +1

    I read the Primal Rage novel, though at the time I didn't know about Primal Rage, I just bought it because I saw the Red T-Rex fighting the Blue Giant Gorilla on the cover. I don't remember much from it, except the lady avatar for Vertigo was thirsty af, and Chaos was his own avatar since he was originally a scientist who used Blizzard dna to transform himself into Chaos, while every other god picked one of their worshippers to be their avatar.

  • @JinxSanity
    @JinxSanity Před 3 lety +4

    Primal Rage was one of my favorite arcade games and I remember seeing in the late 90's a gaming magazine that featured a whole page dedicated to Primal Rage 2 featuring a awesome art of the new human avatar fighters. Haven't been able to track down which magazine it was (the cover feature some Ghostbusters art) nor that art that was featured in it and I must had been one of the few 90's kids who vividly remembered Primal Rage 2 before even looking it up on the then "New" internet.

  • @Darthpsychonis
    @Darthpsychonis Před 3 lety +3

    Yes, I have actually read the book. In fact it was the very first book I was ever interested in reading outside of school.

  • @officernealy
    @officernealy Před 3 lety +2

    There is no more spectacular disaster as recent as Balan Wonderworld. That is begging for a Wha Happun.

  • @FirithPanda
    @FirithPanda Před 3 lety +1

    Damn. I learned more stuff about Primal Rage 2 than I already knew and commented on with the Primal Rage video, thanks Matt!

  • @ratchetxtreme6591
    @ratchetxtreme6591 Před 3 lety +10

    "DESPITE ALL MY I AM STILL JUST A RAT IN A CAGE "
    - Smashing Pumpkins.

  • @ganjalinajolie3002
    @ganjalinajolie3002 Před 3 lety +5

    I played it, it's.... something that should have gotten a chance honestly

  • @w.arthurbuchananii6051
    @w.arthurbuchananii6051 Před 3 lety +1

    This is cool! I always loved Primal Rage as a kid and I hope that the renewed interest will see a resurgence with the series.

  • @mckstellar1005
    @mckstellar1005 Před 3 lety

    I'm glad I was early this was another great video from my favorite CZcams.
    I really needed this rn iv been really depressed.
    I had posted a comment like this earlier but it got deleted for some reason.

  • @Bynne2
    @Bynne2 Před 3 lety +8

    I still pray for the day when Alex gets added back into Tekken 7

  • @kevinclark8356
    @kevinclark8356 Před 3 lety +3

    Primal Rage needs to be rebooted!

  • @robo-nidai4236
    @robo-nidai4236 Před 3 lety +1

    Congratulations on giving us 100 tales that made us say What Happened, Matt. You always done an amazing job looking into these fascinating behind the scenes tales.
    Speaking of, can we expect a What Happened on Advent Rising soon?

  • @DanteMasaru
    @DanteMasaru Před 3 lety +1

    Wow. While I was privy to Primal Rage during the heyday of arcades, I had no idea so much went into its production. Thanks again for another educational vid, Matt.