ZF 8HP Gearbox Service on our 3.0 TDI V6 Amarok!
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- What a ball-ache! Watch Ryan painfully service the ZF 8HP Gearbox on our VW Amarok.
I don't think he'll want to do another in a hurry, we'll leave that to the mechanics next time!!
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We always take the fill plug of first, just in case it’s stuck and you can’t put the oil back in. Not so relevant on newer vehicles like that though! Great video, nice to see a company that wants to change these oils, most just can’t be bothered or think you are mad for asking, and charge you double for the trouble!
We had options anyway but a o-ring seal rarely gets stuck!
Little trick for filling these up, use a 6ltr pressurised garden sprayer. Put 6ltrs in. Fill the sump up first until it comes out the fill plug. Put the plug in. Start engine and rev it to 2.5k 2 to 3 times and turn engine off. Fill again until it comes out the fill plug. Plug back in. Start engine and go P to R,N,D tip 1st and tip 2nd, then back to P. Fill sump up again with engine in idle until it dribbles out. Plug back in then drive up to temp, we usually check at 40 degrees.
To get them up to temp quicker you can leave it in D with your foot on the brake and it'll get up to temp a bit quicker.
Remember too the torque converter will have a good amount of oil in it still, and then you'll have some still on top of the mechatronic.
Like a 40min job start to finish on a Rangey
@@rickybobby7660 60 mins mechatronic swap and fill transmission up again. But they have much more access as apposed to this. This is more like an awd d7a application
Cheers Daniel
Im just leaving ny fluid as it is this whole service gearbox is too much and besides my f30 has over 100k miles yet gearbox is as smooth as silk when shifting even in eco Pro so no service id say
@@germanautos9460 yeah they adapt over life to any change in coefficient of friction so providing the oil hasn’t overheated (smashing dunes in the Emirates or towing 4ton up an incline for an hour) or leaked there no real need to change it and shift quality will stay consistent even with these guys putting 30% more torque through it😆😆
Oil temp needs to be 35-45 degrees when filling and 50 for hot climates here in oz.
The humble mechanic told one that if they were in a hurry they preheated before filling the oil to get it up to temp faster
I did try but it cooled a lot!
@@DarksideDevelopments It might only work on the DQ transmission. They don't have so much oile in them. I don't know. But it seems like a stupid design to service
Put all the oil in a metal container then heat it up then pump it in hot a 12v oil extraction pump in reverse works great for filling diffs and awkward gearboxes
Hello. The real way to change the oil in the box is to remove the oil from the crankcase and change the filter. Put back the oil that came out of the cap and place the dialysis machine and wait for the inside of the box to meet the new oil and wait until the old oil comes out completely clean, (while the vehicle is running) . After that, wait for the oil temperature to drop to less than 35° and open the level plug and check that it is level. Greetings.
I had the same issue on my BMW ZF 6HP26 transmission. Drained the oil as per the ZF guidelines, changed the filter, got the transmission to temperature, cycled the gears and could only ever get just over 4 litres of fluid back in, even though the capacity is 9 litres. I think a lot of fluid stays in the torque converter and doesn't drain out when you take the sump plug out.
Yeah you never get the full drain of the torque converter. I thought the guys would realise this.
The Barnsley constabulary will be on the lookout for that rascal when he is old enough to drive 😂
Certainly!
@@DarksideDevelopments He'll be ok. They can't catch cold, never mind spirited drivers.
You guys did the box oil and filter on my A6 C6 on Thursday. Shift quality much improved! 👌
Hope my car was less hassle than this!
What a job 👏 if I was doing it. The F word would been said. Nice to see how long it takes and tool. Top job
Looking forward to A6 video, I have an a7 bitdi at 58,000 miles and been bugging me since I heard it could be done!
If you drain ATF when cold you don't need to worry about the extra .5l for cooler as the valve is shut. I did my 2013 tdi420 following procedure except after first drain filter change and refill i took it for a drive until ATF was at 75c then let it cool down to under 30c and drained and refilled again. All up I put in 8l of ATF.
Front diff fluid change was a pain in the behind, I had to make a special tool to get to the refill plug.
Just did this on my phaeton by myself. You can do the temperature monitoring no problem with obd eleven. Had to glue a steel straw to a gear oil pump hose to fill it though. The colour and smell of the oil I doubt it had ever been changed in over 150k miles.
George needs to come with a headphone user warning on that tractor 😂
Sorry!
@@DarksideDevelopments Its cool, no louder than my kids sat next to me I suppose lol
Sounded like a plane going by was one of the best bits of the video
"You go outside and do some donuts, see if you can do them no handed!" DadLAD of the year!
The Mrs went mad when she saw that bit! Lol
@@DarksideDevelopments legend for saying it and keeping it in haha
Would have been good to test the old oil to see if it was out of range also.
Yup, my 335i f30 (8HP45) took about 5,5Liters. Waited 4 hours for it to cool down and let my nephew shift through the gears holding each for 10sec. Didn’t even rev it to 2000rpm.
Fill it whilst its running, that's what we do now!
@@DarksideDevelopments yup exactly what i did!😁
Also forgot to mention, checked fluid temp with launch before filling of course.
Here's the rub..... very interesting vid regards the gearbox service. BUT George's tractor LOOKS THE BUISNESS, good good stuff.
Great how to video, pig of a job to do. Head cam was ok at normal speed but when it was fast forwarded is wasn't very clear.
My Amarok ATF temp (not pan temp) doesn't get much over75 deg while towing a 2.5 tonne caravan in Aust 30 + degrees.
Did this on the missus M135i, that ZF fluid don't half stink!
We did 3 the other day, the workshop stank!
It's interesting Audi say no need to replace oil but ZF say every 100k km.
Bmw are the same
Interesting world we live in
@@germanautos9460 JA, das stimmt
Im just leaving ny fluid as it is this whole service gearbox is too much and besides my f30 has over 100k miles yet gearbox is as smooth as silk when shifting even in eco Pro so no service id say
@@germanautos9460 I did mine. Wasn't all that bad and gearbox did shift a bit smoother after. They can be a bit jerky shifting down into 2nd.
Great job, love the music.
You have to find a better solution for the camera. All those shakings speeded up doesn't help.
Iv got a 68 plate v6 amarok, vw rang me a while ago and said I need my haldex oil changed and my dsg oil changed. I booked it in not really thinking about it. They had the truck all day, then rang me and said "good news , there is no charge for today as you don't have a DSG or haldex 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
How can a main dealer be so wrong!!!
Wish you guys were closer to me 😪
😂😂😂 I'd be bringing them an invoice when collecting for wasting my time mate
@@nathangilmour4493 mate it gets worse. Full service at vw last month, told them there is a squeaking from rear right shock. They tell me they cant find anything wrong after an extended test drive. Take it for mot this month at independent garage. It fails on loose steering rack, worn bushes. And a leaking rear shock 😭
It unreal to think this goes on in dealerships, the independent garage must have got a laugh when you told them that. Its much the same up here in Scotland, I'm actually banned from the dundee bmw dealership after having issues there with multiple vehicles and having a load of time wasted in the process too.... now my m140i and s1000rr have to go to Aberdeen delaership🤦♂️. Long storey and defo too long for a CZcams comment but just loads of incompetence and they don't like getting picked up on it either
I just did this a couple months ago by myself on my BiTdi at 115k (Km). Would recommend anyone just paying up at the dealer for this job. Waiting for the oil to heat up or cool off took AGES.
We can sort it!
Done a couple of these now and I feel your pain. I bought a ten litre pump and connection pack off eBay and use that as I've had issues with the fill plug not wanting to come off before (mainly in jaguars) so just do them through the one plug.
Don't worry if you do get too much in one. It doesn't seem to harm them and the lad we maintain them for uses them to pull big chemical toilets about with so they DO work for their living.
Good to know. The fill bung seemed super easy but yes, we have a bigger pump and will just fire into the drain. Our will be getting used! Have you been out wheeling lately? Itching to get the wheels on the Touareg!
@@DarksideDevelopments I was out last week but I'm thinking if the next stage for it. Do I trayback it or do I tune the engine some more? I've been measuring up the VAG V6 TDI to see if it will fit...😈
Do it!
Video for repair
I know the rear differential is not the same as in the Audi A4 B9 V6 3.0 tdi 272hp. But is the gearbox ZF 8 Speed more less the same?
In South Africa we change at 100km. Snap on tools as easy tool for Audi and VW gearbox.
Could you pre heat the oil in a water bath
Normal day at the office hahaha
How must we unlocked the gearbox the Amarok goes only in reverse gear
Do you mean the reverse gear torque limiter?
Do you have any information what the specs are for the Tcase and diffs on the Amaroks
As in the oil specs
Thank you.
Email and we can send links to them :)
Hey guys, I know this is an old video but it looks like you put the front diff oil in the transfer case? The transfer case takes G 052 536 A2 if correct and the front diff takes the G 052 145 S2 right?
You are correct, not sure on what happened here. But somehow, it's ran for the past 2 years perfectly fine 😂
@DarksideDevelopments That is good to hear! Maybe change it just to be sure?
Yeah, we have done to b on the safe side
@DarksideDevelopments Alright good to hear 👍🏼
Nice job, BUT it should be better to instruct to open the Fillerbolt first, because if that one wont come out or gets screwed...
It will never stick, rubber seal.
@@DarksideDevelopments maybe with the diff but normal transmission plugs can be a pain in the ass if it gets round inside and it's better to do it my way because people see how easy the DIY is an also try it on different vehicles
Yes I always loosen 'normal' fill plugs first
nice video but i was a bit seasick with all the fast forwarding haha
On my BMW 8HP I'm sure the procedure required the oil level to be checked with the engine running. Surprised this is different.
That's not required
I did my TDI420 with engine running, I got at least another liter in. Now I am wondering if I have overfilled it lol. It does shift better though.
Thanks for your video！
Are you putting front differential oil into transfer box instead of transfer box oil？
Yes there was a mistake at the beginning.
Thanks a lot !!
i can really learn from your video.
Next time can u teach us how to change the amarok front differential oil? The fill-in plug was very difficult to remove and tight back 😿😿 i had no idea how to change that...
Need to put 80deg oil in somehow 🤔
I'm probably missing something here .... but what about the front diff? Surely that could do with an oil change around the same time as the rear diff and transfer box?
We did it!
@@DarksideDevelopments In the video I just watched? Did I miss it?
Yes :)
@@DarksideDevelopments Just watched it again. No mention of front diff at 2:54 and no oil for it plus no mention or even sight of front diff throughout entire video.
Well spotted, we did it but didn't have the oil out at the time of filming!
Can you recommend gearbox/centrediff and rear diff oil for a audi a4 b5 quattro 1.9tdi??cheers...great content as per usual👍
VAG stuff only for us. Please Email and we will be able to supply!
@@DarksideDevelopments 👍
Dosnt the torque converter hold 2+ liters
Yes but ZF don't say to drain it
@@DarksideDevelopments that would be a full box out job I'm guessing.
Is there not a way to drain it through the cooling lines whilst pressurised oil goes back in through the other side of the cooler. Like a brake bleeder but bigger capacity.
only a bit comes from the cooling lines.
Do all the service kits need a wiper?😉
Oops should have watched all video before asking that 🤣
I have a 2014 Audi Sq5. Just passed 67k could do with gearbox service. How much would you guys charge please?
Regards Graeme
Drop us an email!
What about investing in a transmission flushing ATF MACHINE CAT501S Cost about £3500
3500 is more than we would ever make doing these!
Now then Ryan, can see you've got the rear airbags fitted. How's things going with 7000kgs up plating? (Roger)
Nightmare is all I can say!
Time lapse is great but not when it's so fast it causes an epileptic fit.....
Yes we are not doing that again
Where did you get that little trolley being used from about 6:37 ? I've been after one for ages and all the ones I've seen have been shite.
Laser tools make them. Made from Composite. Good shiz
@@DarksideDevelopments Thanks, pal.
@@DarksideDevelopments hi I've got a vw amorok 14 plate, it judder at low revs , how long would it take you to do oil change gearbox , as I live in Kent regards Mark
did you reuse the gasket? The service kits come without gasket
I found it in the box after, lol
I don't even have it in the box, that is why I asked the question
They might not all come with them!
The seal whas still in great shape, cleaned it and reused it. No leak's.
But like you, the 0.5L overfill was a bit strange. How can you do that while the fill plug is the level overflow?....
Thanks man appreciate the final reading! - 💩 job!!
Does anybody know which spec ZF 8HP transmission the current crop (2021 2022) V6 Amaroks have ?
Should be the 8HP70 AL550 - The last 21 Model we did had it 👍🏼
@@DarksideDevelopments Thanks for the info mate, really appreciates. I just bought a 2022 Highline. Looking at tunes and noticing numbers like 750nm.
I wonder how long the 70 spec box will put up with it?
Only time will tell.
any info on doing the front diff???
3 hands and it's easy!
Its not actually that hard. The written instructions make a simple procedure seem complicated... the essence of the procedure is fill it as much as you can without the engine running, start the engine and keep filling it until you cant fill it anymore, run it though all the gear lever positions so that the solenoids all activate and fluid can flow through all the channels in the box, let it keep warming until its at least 30C, but not hotter than 50C, and top it off. That's it.
That's not what the instructions say though. But that's what you should do unless you have 2 days set aside.
I think you need atf flush and fill machine
We would need 5 different ones at least
What music do you use in your videos ?
Premier Pro free tracks
They really don’t want you to change the oil in these gearboxes…
Is it a good idea to replace the rubber sleeves in the metatronics in the 8hp at the same time as the oil change, apparently the sleeves are part of the zf 8hp service kit?
No sleeves in the kit?
@@DarksideDevelopments
No I ordered them separate from zf and it fixed my lumpy going into 2nd gear on my A6 bitdi, keep it in mind for the future, you never know you might stumble across this problem and it’s an easy job to do also. Love you vids keep up the good work mate 😎
Any other upgrades you can do to the amarok to get more power?
Please email us, many options!
Of all the videos on CZcams, I believe this is the worst how to ever.
No one is stopping you from making one yourself, if you think you can do better :)
Never understood manufacturers sayin there sealed 🤔🤔🤔🤔how can an oil which by its nature degrades with age and use is supposed to be in there for life 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈cool vid tho Ryan 🙌🙌🙌crazy how little oil it took before pouring back out 😉😉stupid idea and stupid fill instructions 😉😉😉
Why don't you try using a stand for the camera, the video is hard to watch because you keep moving your head.
It was a bad choice
Anyone else getting a bit of weird artifacting on this video?
yes
The footage for distorted but we didn't want to film twice! Haja
Playing the video fast so no one can learn how to do it themselves.
If we didn't speed it up then it would be hours long. If you are stuck with something then just ask.
The erratic movement dose nothing for the video. and makes my eyes hurt.
Watch with your eyes closed and listening to the soothing northern accent