circulus vitiosus: 1) interesting what -not so old texts- tell you (are they censored or altered)? 2) why you (and Rambam btw) base your oral tradition of torah-hebrew on oral tradition of Karite (karaim) heretics? 3) can you prove anything? is it a torah-commandment to believe in your version of oral tradition? 4) is the ortal tradirtion based on oral tradition fixated in -not so old - texts? can you prove to understand them in the right way? 5) back to 1) basically he's saying: after Hashem scorched the earth off temple and sacrificial service of leviim/kohanim, we soly rely on new masters of ceremony the rabis - that's why they invented -in GMJ- much of services and 'what jews must do'. depending on the rabis and their secret doctrine of oral tradition -one is made to believe that one mustv believe in- we are lost w/o oral tradition - not? maybe hashem thinks different - because his ways are not the ways of rabis ..
the talmud ( berachos 5a) clearly says that every part of the torah was given at sinai. the written and oral. rebbe nachman said every jew must finish it once in their lifetime.
I’m not sure about this teaching.... I can’t agree. If we are to take what you rabbi are saying, how then can we explain the 80% of “Jews” who didn’t come up from the land of Egypt. If they were instilled with this “super natural” understanding of Torah, why then didn’t all the Jews leave Egypt with Moses?? Or how can you explain The great Rabbi Akiva who was a convert, and only started learning ב א at the age of 40?? I think you’re on unstable ground when you talk like this, which leads to irrational and illogical thinking like we see with so many sects of Judaism today.
The problem herein lies with the absence of weeding out all the falsehoods within the oral Torah, which our Torah educators fail miserably at.
circulus vitiosus:
1) interesting what -not so old texts- tell you (are they censored or altered)?
2) why you (and Rambam btw) base your oral tradition of torah-hebrew on oral tradition of Karite (karaim) heretics?
3) can you prove anything? is it a torah-commandment to believe in your version of oral tradition?
4) is the ortal tradirtion based on oral tradition fixated in -not so old - texts? can you prove to understand them in the right way?
5) back to 1)
basically he's saying: after Hashem scorched the earth off temple and sacrificial service of leviim/kohanim, we soly rely on new masters of ceremony the rabis - that's why they invented -in GMJ- much of services and 'what jews must do'. depending on the rabis and their secret doctrine of oral tradition -one is made to believe that one mustv believe in- we are lost w/o oral tradition - not? maybe hashem thinks different - because his ways are not the ways of rabis ..
the talmud ( berachos 5a) clearly says that every part of the torah was given at sinai. the written and oral. rebbe nachman said every jew must finish it once in their lifetime.
Why "passive" transmission ? If Thora "bal peh" is obligatory and coercive, it would have had to be transfered compulsory and "active".
passive - in the sense of a radio receiver receives passively - Moshe being depicted as a mere antenna for god-speak
Again nobody playing somebody really sad
I’m not sure about this teaching.... I can’t agree.
If we are to take what you rabbi are saying, how then can we explain the 80% of “Jews” who didn’t come up from the land of Egypt.
If they were instilled with this “super natural” understanding of Torah, why then didn’t all the Jews leave Egypt with Moses??
Or how can you explain The great Rabbi Akiva who was a convert, and only started learning ב א at the age of 40??
I think you’re on unstable ground when you talk like this, which leads to irrational and illogical thinking like we see with so many sects of Judaism today.
1. its a midrash that says that 80% did not leave Misrayim, not the Pshat.
2. Rabi Aqivā was not a convert, rather his father was.