That one guy who just won't play with the team | Whose Fault Is It Anyways? #11
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2023
- Is your team holding you back from climbing the ladder? Let's find out! This time we look at what happens when one player just doesn't seem to want to play with the team.
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Classic example of your 4 teammates sharing the same braincell
it's actually perfect
thats why i stop play dota
Only choices:
Play badly with them and lose due to their poor decisionmaking
Play well and lose + get 4 reports, because they will still feed and you will probably not be able to make it unless you're a hc.
The issue with this kind of sentiment is that there are always members of the team who die trying to take fights they have no business initiating, and are looking for someone to blame for their own terrible decisions. Which of course ends up being the only living member of the team whos doing something actually useful. It's the most cliché complaint that bad players often make.
Usually its offlane / pos 4 XD
The only people to blame after a bad team fight are the ones who dont have a respawn timer. Its a classic.
Understanding what fights to take, what decision is terrible etc doesn't really come naturally. It's something you learn over time, so it ends up being people flaming the person not having the same idea as them cause they just don't know in the first place that the idea is bad.
Tip for all supports: Always play with your strongest teammate after the 7minute mark.
Often enough the strongest teammate is the carry farming jungles, as they should. You sure you want the supports just follow the dude and nothing else?
@@edmis90 you sure about the farming carry being the strongest?
Something must be very wrong if pos1 is strongest after 7min
That ending is way too perfect
I rewatched that ending like 10 times 😂
literally loled alone, so good
so good
Meanwhile Axe is sitting there fuming about how his team won't play around him after stomping his lane and trying to create map pressure, resisting the intense urge to flame the Snapfire for not rotating bot with him.
People like this snap is why I hate playing offlane. Imagine how this axe must feel, he must be so frustrated.
@@sixwaystilsunday9141 at least snap left after they destroyed the T1. Some fuckers leave even before that! And ofc tower lives for several more minutes
@@sleepydoge5463 especially true for mirana/pudge players. misses one arrow/hook in lane, proceeds to go mid and camp
The Axe phonecall segment is chef's kiss. Love you, Zach.
As an offlane player, I hate when that happens. We win the lane, chase enemy carry and pos5 away, take tower early and then the entire team decides to focus on the other lane doing fuck knows what there. Meanwhile the entire rest of the map is open, the enemy pos1 that I stomped in lane has all the time in the world to recover in the jungle and all the lead we had is slowly lost.
As an offlaner I HATE when i destroy the lane, take tower at 7 minutes and my supports and mid refuse to play in the part of the map that's open. Instead they keep going to safelane and feed or 4 ball around mid staring at each other.
from playing a lot with people who cannot make correct decisions for themselves you should be the one asking your supports to come and help you be more active on the map, and remember gotta talk like with a child!
I can relate
I think the way you solve this is by communicating well with them, try to keep calm and cool and explain them where to play and etc
Pretend like you need their help, most people will likely do whatever you need them to do. Also keeps morale strong in the long games.
@@kjyu exactly haha
Really Great and educational bro thanks for pointing out my mistakes and ill try to play like how you suggested. Love your content
Thanks for being open to the flame!
I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I'd also add to it by also thinking of who should play top (Releaving pressure) vs bottom (Creating pressure). In this case, jugg is probably the only one who should play top most often. He's most survivable, he cannot make plays, so there's no reason for supports to be around him. Supports can always TP back to help jugg
the reinaxement at the end 😂😂😂 so good
17:11 that phone call with axe at the end 🤣
Classic offlaner experience. Dumpster HC, destroy top tower, get ganked by 4 heroes while 1 support is hiding in the trees in mid, other support is pulling lane creeps at 10/15 minutes.
this happens so much to me as an offlane main, I will dumpster and live on their side of the map while 4 of my teammates want to just hover the same spot on the map where a fight "might" happen. I'll tp in to where they DO fight, get a kill and leave to go back to pushing waves and farming and they continue to chain feed the same spot.
I bet Axe was super frustrated after the first 20 minutes and ignored his team after that.
Yep. People don't realize how much tilting plays a part.
yupp 100% what happened
Im surprised he didnt break his items
Masterful phone call at the end. Another issue similar to this is if the initiator plays super far back or something, in that case also I think you just gotta stand go to them, even if it's at t2 or 3 at 15 mins and embarrass them into playing forward a bit more.
Truth be told, there is a ~50-50 chance I have a guy in my ranked games whose name goes either "1vs9", "Fck my dog team", or "Noah's Arc (carrying animals since 2500BC)".
OMG this video was educational, and hilarious!! such such good content, I'm blown away at how good this was.
The axe skit had me smiling from start to finish, such a brilliant idea!
Pretty sure I've had this exact game as axe before. Including the bad play in the late game, as after it became obvious the team was never going to make the proper plays with me early, I'd get tilted and just start yoloing because feels like "if they're that stupid, we probably just lose anyway".
Funny to see you calling axe. It's most often the other way around
Here to say I love your content! keep it up! love all the new and inventive stuff you do!
Great necessary advice at the end, sometimes you have to go to them. Also fuckin lol at the last bit. Love hearing you roast people when you otherwise seem so nice and forgiving 😂
that phone call was fantastic ! As always, nice video Zack !
loved the skit at the end, keep it up i learn a lot from you
That last bit was gold!!! Amazing!
that video was hilarious, keep up the great work and content man!
Bro the ending scene was so GOOD, I LOve IT, Awesome!!!!
Haha that last bit with a phone call to axe was great!
Bro lol
Excellent content. The axe phone call was awesome.
This video strike the right balance between information, flames and entertainment hahaha that call in the end cracked me up xD
That's a funny bit at the end! Good Day Sir! hahaha
axe skit at the end 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 so good!
dificult game to watch... sometimes this happens to me as well in divine bracket, in sumarry it's a basic misscomunication issue between the team mates, and many times the support players dont like to play to support (the 5th extra game to get other 4 games as carry) and simply dont play as they are supposed to
Awesome way to close out the video Zach! Good Day SIR!
Love the ending skit man!
I love this concept. Very educational!
This happens to me all the time as an offlaner. I'm the strongest hero on the map, dumpstered their HC, and the supports and midlaner never come to help me take over the jungle, ward, and just stay on our side of the jungle, then when the team gets wise they smoke to kill me and then proceed to flame me but are never there backing me up.
When I tell them to play around me they say "it's 4 against one so who's wrong"
Depending on the game we sometimes still win but the game extends from a 30-40 min game to a 40-60 min game.
(I haven't watched this whole video, just the beginning where he's talking about the first 10-20 min of the game)
I typically mute the whole team when this happens and then just do my best.
I feel so bad for this axe, he does the right thing, stomps his lane and what does he get? 4 teammates who arent even willing to pick up the free win hes serving them, unable to do the most basic thing of sitting behind the strongest hero on the map (and probably flaming him nonstop). And then after 25 minutes of this, his lead is gone and he tilts and refuses to play with these idiots. Cant even blame him, they dont deserve to win. And snap is so arrogant to submit this to a youtuber, convinced its only these damn people who refuse to teamwork holding her back. Snap, add this axe and apologize to him.
Holy cow! The phone call was brilliant!!!!!
that ending deserves a like and comment, already subscribed though.
Im a Legend player and this just thought me alot! And the end got me laughing haha
Could you do a video on dead lanes and some dota mechanics like rune spawning times and, where to farm when ahead, where to farm when behind? Some basic stuff, I know. But Im not sure if I mastered it already, and also, I want to show it to my carry brother who needs to learn some stuff haha
Great video Zack.
that wrap up with axe is epic gj
S tier production quality I genuinely died @16:00
The "no vision into nightstalker, hhhhhmmmmmmmm" killed me, love it
This vid was helpful to me as a core player thanks
Question: if the team is playing suboptimally, is it your responsibility to cater to the team and play in a suboptimal manner, or should you just keep playing your game? for example in this game, axe was doing the right thing staying bot technically instead of joining the cluster top at 10 min where 4 heroes were milling around getting nothing done. should he stay bot, or just join his team top, blink call a hero or two, and take the top tower? i get into these situations sometimes where i think the right move is to just keep doing what i'm doing, but then i get spam pinged and it hurts team cohesion, and also to be fair, while my tping top wouldn't be the best move, it still probably results in an enemy kill or two + a tower.
also a lot of times i see my cores stack up and farm the same area even though there is an enemy wave pushing our tower. oftentimes i feel like a core should be taking that farm while i am free to go about and do other tasks, but since no core ever rotates over, i just can't justify letting free farm go to waste, so i just sit there in lane. wards don't get placed, things don't get stacked, i'm not necessarily ready to go in position to make plays happen or counterinitiate when i think something's about to pop off. not sure if im doing the right thing or not.
I look at the line up and ask myself "can my hero carry this game" not you, your hero
If I'm playing axe, and I'm vs a PA carry, or a sniper midlane etc, I know if my teams feeding, if I just get my items and scale with the game, my hero is good enough to solo, with blade mail I can kill them any time I want, but if I fall behind, we lose the game, so I'd choose to play my own game and stay bot
But if I'm playing a hero where my hero can't solo the game, let's say I'm playing magnus, I have a anti mage carry, and theirs a lot of int heros on the enemy team, but my AM has had a bad lane and is behind, it's better for the team for me to sacrifice my game to make his better, so I'll play with my team or body guard for the anti mage
In short, are you the most important hero on the team, if yes, play for your own game, the carry / mid is not always the most important player, it's the win condition, if axe gets a call on a pa, the pa is dead, so you are the win condition
I think what xtranormal said is pretty good. If you're unsure, I tend to default towards playing with the team. I think in pubs it's better to play cohesively as a team rather than doing separate things. Plus, maybe this play is bad, but if I play with them now, maybe they'll listen to me for a better play later. However, if you truly know something is wrong and will lead to losing, then I would try to do what you believe in.
I've recently started playing again after a year of not playing. I've played 5 games, low level, and all 5 of them were this.. exactly this. Combined with language barriers, and 3 year Olds that come into the game to have fun throwing. It feels impossible to rank up without making pre-made teams.
That phone call with ace was super funny
In games where you feel like you are owning and unstoppable it always feels better to have your teammates play around you rather than them begging you to go to them. It doesn't feel good to use a TP to go to some questionable fight, and it certainly doesn't feel good to TP into your carry's lane, share farm and relieve pressure on the enemy.
Axe probably got ultra tilted later in the game because he was owning but felt like he had no support throughout the game.
The axe call was siiick xD
The phone with axe made my day and made me lol in the office
I really loved the ending.
That ending was hilarious... 👍
IF you see a core tp out and you go fight on your own, knowing I just TP'd, it's the people who fight's fault. Given axe should have tp'd home, but there's a lot of scenarios where this happens.
This is amazing
Holy shit that ending bit with axe was gold
Highlight of my day was your phone call
the end was hillarious :D
Can't tell you how many times I've said "well he isn't gonna come to us, so let's go to him"
Hehe nice jokes at the end
great video as always
Love the convo with Axe. ROFL
Funny I took a break from Dota to play other competitive games (Valo, etc) and actually improved a lot more once I came back because of these exact same principles. Sometimes putting yourself in new environments opens up your mind to learning concepts that you can later re-apply to Dota. Its harder to learn when you've been doing the same thing in the same environment for too long.
Best video ending!
I love the creativity calling axe hahaha..... made me laugh. yes thats the move if they dont want to stick . i go stick to them hahhaha
Classic noob response of "my carry is getting ganked I'm gonna def" instead of having the carry jungle and having the supps play with the only playmaker on the team who is miles ahead.
I love these videos because it validates a lot of my feelings towards teammates who flame me for doing the right thing while they do the noob response thing.
Omg that axe call 🔥
That call with Axe tho 🤣
Incredible ending
ending 12/10 much excellence
That ending was so funny hahaha 🤣
that ending was goated.
Best outro ever
That snapfire and omni are some of the reasons that I really hate to play offlane. Win the offlane, then the support just tp to the weakest ally.😂
Amazing ending :D
The actual solution is just to talk to eachother, axe should have told snapfire to go down with him, snapfire should have said something to axe and then get proven wrong when he responds and then everything is set right
lol the routine at the end
I said good day sir! Top notch ending
As a main support player, always need to know who's your "win" hero and stick with him once laning stage over. And the core player sometimes please say something to supp what you want at least it can minimize the scenario where the core blame no support help me
Legendary phone call
15:30 snapfire right clicking high ground is really a herald gameplay lmfao
Spamming 3rd skill first for armor reduction might be fine, after that is just throwing lmao
Underrated ending
HAHAHAH THOSE VOICELINES AT THE END I FUCKING LOVE IT
Perfect video, ppl need to understand that on avg, you should play around fat/initiator player, not fat player help and play around you.
Same for mid, mid on avg should farm on mid, roam if you are losing mid so enm need to react to your roaming.
Hey, I want to get reviewed like this. What is the procedure ?
This is what always happens to me when I'm an offlaner. I win the lane, I can take two heroes alone and I'm fully controlling the enemy hc. Yet for some reason both supps and the mid go to the dead lane for 15min to skirmish with the enemy supports, instead of playing around me to shift the attention away from my hc.
Then I finally figure that no one is coming to me and join them, but then the enemy hc gets free farm, and full build and kills everyone and we lose the game.
Then all four proceed to bash me as to "why I am in the wrong part of the map, and not playing with the team" LOL
1. Match Id: 7107643651
2. Hero: Tidehunter
3. Hi, ZQuixotix. Recently, I've played a lot of offlane with a friend of mine. I feel like at my rank Tidehunter is good at filling holes in my team as needed, which is the kind of offlaner I like to play. I've spammed him a lot recently. I'm feeling pretty good about my item builds, team strats, and map location. Unfortunately, this game was very different from the start. We had no hard carry which meant I needed to do something drastic to have a chance of winning the game. Was that instinct wrong? Would playing a normal tidehunter build/game be more advised even when you feel like your draft has major holes in it?
The OD was the main source of perceived grief/tilt in the game. Keep a look at his items/banishes during fights - it added onto the perception that the game was impossible to win. Genuinely, this is one of the most impossible games of dota I have played in recent memory and I am hoping that you can share how you would have tried to get a win out of it.
This is still the same problem in Legend - Ancient. Everyone want to fight with the carry at the 7-15 min. They think it's the right play to leave the 5-0 offlane when they should be playing behind him on the enemy jungle and not on their own safe lane.
this look like most of my offlane games I keep getting flamed for the same thing. It's even worst when I play unit hero and my support keeps taking the fight with Carry on the safe lane instead of playing with me. Even though I tell them to help me, they always say Carry needs help you need to rotate, but they don't understand if they help me pressure, it will automatically help Carry; whose objective is to just farm.
This is so infuriating and why I feel I lose most games that we could win. Especially that top tower taking shenanigans. I wish there was a guild where map movement basic knowledge is taught/required, and you can play in a stack with to get out of low rank.
Wanted to leave you a game I felt was truly SO winnable, until it wasn't. We dominated two lanes, top and mid, then our team fell apart in the mid game. I was the Hoodwink, average mmr around 4k or so. Our pos 1 Void opened the game telling us how stoned he was, and after the midgame i absolutely believe him.
As a 4 player I struggle with when to rotate to the safelane to help, as opposed to when I should just continue to shut down the opponents pos 1. Considering I had a Doom that felt like he would be able to carry us, so I opted to hunt the enemy TB. After a series of awful mid game clashes, chain feeding, and a few pos 5 marci solo kills on our void, we managed to waste away what felt like a sizable lead and eventually got run down by the enemy. With her gold from killing our void, their pos 5 marci ended up being twice the carry of anyone on our team, especially since we refused to kite her.
Where did it all go wrong? What can I do as a pos 4 player when my team won't listen to my calls in the mid game to play around and protect our vision? Sometimes as a support player im stuck between playing suboptimally with my team, versus playing optimally but being at the mercy of my core's poor decisions. I appreciate your hard work, and hope to get my game picked apart so I can stop being miserable in ancient, and finally be miserable in divine/immortal.
Match ID: 7113239144
that. phone call. was glorious.
every dota player should watch this vid. literally just got out of a game where entire team sat defending t1 top chain feeding while I was alone, free farming and smashing their t2... them complaining for me to tp while I'm pushing hard and taking enemy jungle, them relentlessly pinging me while i'm certain i'm making the right call. smh
taking offlane jungle and threatening t3's is huge. totally worth a lost tier 1 tower
At 6:35 when you start talking about Axe making a mistake by dewarding, I'm sure he knows thats a mistake hes just ultra tilted by now because hes been the strongest hero on the map for 10 minutes and his supports are still afk. I know because I've been this Axe many many times.
as offlane and support player, I rate this video 3,4/5
"Does anyone know what a deadlane is?" Axe
Maybe axe got flamed too much and just played like a maniac😂😂
classic low crusader issue, your core and mid constantly playing your safelane even though you have no plays there and their carry is just free farming uncontested during that time
Thank God it's a different skin. This Axe could've been me.
Whenever I play core I have my supports telling me to group this early when it's objectively the wrong thing to do. The classic 'LETS ROAM AS 5' when we are already behind
I quit Dota for this reason. No roles filled and folks are still flaming people for correct play. It's weird because there are massive bodies of easy to consume information that they choose to ignore.
Twitch chatters man....
@@josephreynolds2401dota players are, on average, literally stupid
As a carry player i experience a lot of this.
this is my avarage pub as pos 3 xD 5:13