Siris: How Snowbreak is Changing in the Master Love Era
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- As Snowbreak begins ramping up retroactive changes to align old content with a new direction, we will inevitably see some changes to established characters. In this video, I want to examine the changes made to Siris' character and see what we can learn about what kinds of changes to expect in the future.
This video is only concerned with changes to characterization. Please don't bring the never-ending war over physical changes into this. Sure, there's some connection between physical appearance and characterization, but I don't think it's particularly material in this case.
00:00 Intro
02:24 Character Definition
04:23 Initial Background
10:10 Launch Characterization
18:20 Mingdeng Festival
24:33 Goldfish Personal File
30:19 Bond Story
43:50 RetCons
01:03:11 Ksana Personal File
01:26:31 New Hentiro Arc
01:33:40 Conclusion - Hry
It's poetic that a character which constantly loses memories had her entire life story deleted from the memory of players via retcons.
Thanks for archiving this, I never would've known.
Imo best snowbreak creator. Keep it up! Mix of lore and meta content is really nice.
British Siris will always sound endearing to me
Really impressive deep dive! Gotta admit I didnt catch all these things. You should make general lore videos about each character outside of the retcon angle, you'd be good at it!
I miss the old style of the game. Though I guess with the new style it keeps the game alive.
Edit: Good video like the lore stuff.
Thank you for saving old story.
When the game came out, I really liked the story. I really liked the characterizations of Lyfe and Fenny and their seemingly one sided rivalry, and Nita and Cherno for their past affiliations to the enemy factions that we fight. It had some unique potential for some interesting story telling, even thought the genre of post apocalyptic waifu games is oversaturated. However, around the time Tess got released, I felt like i was missing important information. And that feeling became stronger when I read the story from then on. It was bugging me for a long time, but this video has given me a likely answer. Perhaps I was missing information, not because I wasn't paying enough attention to the story, but because the nature of the story itself has changed, and to me, it seems that change started around after the yallu island event.
It seems to me that the shift to a Master Love story in Snowbreak is making it harder to follow and more incoherent. This video made me realize not only do we need more videos on the characterizations in snowbreak, we need someone to go through the entire plot from the start.
The developers have stated that a new writing team and a new direction began with the 1.4 patch, so your intuition is correct.
Im sad siris story had to change for the worse but i do enjoy master love type stories. I'm a goddess of victory nikke player after all. That being said i hope they can do better writing wise to make the stories more consistent and give the characters more depth. I can say from playing a game with a similar master love story that nikke doesn't get rid of characters friendships. In fact alot of them constantly have events together sometimes even without the main self insert character. I think the developers have potential to do good. master love stories can be done well they just need to avoid hyper focusing to much on the master love aspect they forget we are supposed to like the character to. Make the characters real and alive first then add the attraction and love. The developers to their credit seem very willing to listen to players so perhaps bringing up some writing inconsistencies in the next survey would bring some good changes that could make the games story better for everyone. Thanks for the video i appreciate the deep dive!
As the Harem afficianadoes would say. It's nice my wives are getting along. 😂
Anyone remember that one playable guy in Snowbreak that was erased from the guy?
I like the increase in fan service content but I'm not gonna pretend there weren't some casualties here. Good, sad video.
Its bittersweet remember this about siris.
I Hope the new changes in comming improves durong the time, not only visual
I hope the story improves over time as well. I personally like master love stories but it needs to be well done. Like Nikke goddess of victory is pretty good with the master love. The characters all still have her own personalities and relationships but they still love the master at the end of the day so it's pretty good imo. I think if they can make the whole story consistent it will be better. I look forward to their reworks on the earlier chapters since I never really enjoyed the story originally Anyways. I just treat the rewrite characters as entirely new and try to enjoy them on their own.
Nice Vid Bud Thank you for the Lore
I want to say thank you for cateloguing this information. I am very new to the game- i only started playing within the last 2 weeks, but hearing about these retcons very much concerns me, and the way it's been done even more so. I feel very much concerned about how they will handle fitting the new direction in the future with other characters, and I hope it's nowhere like this in the future to how different the characters are. I don't think i would mind the core thrust of her character change if it was a progression instead of what I see as a Retcon, and im not happy at all about the loss of her and Chenxing's interactions. I wonder if part of why Sirius was so altered is because of just how hidden her character actually is. to get the full scale of the alterations You have to either have a video like this, or actually been there for each element, when if it isn't part of a permanent story piece or Personnel file, the odds of seeing it drop extensively for the bulk of the playerbase.
If you see the new story, the one in New Hentiro, that is how it will be. All female characters will thirst over self insert, they will protect you with their life, and you'll protect them. Also you'll always be 2 steps ahead of the villains, which is currently the Board, that was also retconned in Chapter 11 to be the big bads, while in first 10 chapters that wasn't the case.
Before Chapter 11 it was the old writer from beta, and since Yehrus it's a new harem writer that came in Tess patch, that's why everything is so different.
@@TheMrToxin I did see New Hentiro. I played through 1-11 and New Hentiro already, and knew going in that there was a writer change, and a direction change post 10.
personally the board thing only bothers me as much as the "being steps ahead of them" bit is. even pre 10 they seemed scummy to me if that wasn't also a rewrite. I also get how the core focus is going to be going forward... that said I don't know enough about all the characters to know what else is at risk of change specifically beyond the new core motivation. now im worried about how the staff handles the characters to meet the changes as much as the quality going forward.
@@DarkCT Ok so you played through the story. Well you definitely noticed a 'sharp' change in Chapter 11, that's when new writers came in, and in Tess chapter (Yehrus), another writer came in who CN players call 'brother Kang' and he's the harem writer, and the reason why game became master love.
You don't need to worry about anything from Chapter 11 onward, that's the new writing, it's only the first 10 chapters and the personal files that came before Chapter 11, some of it is already retconned like Siris, but others can be too, like Nita, Fritia's file and so on, basically all the characters the game had at launch and in the Festival event, before Chapter 11.
And yes the Board originally were the schemers and similar, but weren't the big bads that Chapter 11 made them out to be. Enya and Cherno had a sort of 'mother/daughter' relationship originally, that was also partially retconned, as well as Nita for example not being completely in love with Adjutant, but now all female characters are.
So in short, it's only the first 10 chapters and Festival event that can be changed, the ones written the old way.
@@TheMrToxin aye, thats well outlined as to what can be changed. thanks for giving me examples of other changes that may happen. I guess i need to go through the personnel files of Enya, Nita, Cherno, and Fritia at the 4 star amounts to get a feel of what things already were. Enya and Cherno had that kind of set up? I did notice Enya keeping an eye on Cherno in the earlier chapters. funnily enough i think the only 4 star im missing is original sirius.
and true, they hadn't been promoted to big bad until 11. that said, from the earlier chapters, the deal one of them had with dietrich over trying to turn people against others in the containment zone still really got to me. honestly after a certain breakpoint chapters 1-10 had me scratching my head at times. I just hope that when the next exosuits or rewrites for launch characters come, it keeps their character more consistent than what happened here.
Considering all this, what's your take of the game at this point anyway? I'm not usually a player of any game like this, mechanically nor otherwise.
@@DarkCT Yeah basically all the 4 star personal files and launch content are prone to change, as well as those standard 5 stars like Marian, Fritia and so on.
The one who had deal with Dietrich was Pi, which is the same person you meet in New Hentiro, yet it was never mentioned there, which begs to question if that is retconned too, although her character is consistent with the one from before personality-wise.
Personally as a Day 1 player who bought all the skins up to 5 star Enya patch, I feel mixed about the game. It has improved in many ways compared to before, everyone thinks new story is better than the one from before, and they even became mainstream in CN recently due to GFL2 drama, and them listening to feedback.
But on the other hand, becoming mainstream made them change the game too much, and focus too much on the harem aspect and even after earning so much money, they're still not making new mini games like Monopoly from Summer event. Other games that earn less than them like Aether Gazer constantly make new mini games and even have fully voiced story. Meanwhile Snowbreak is focusing too much on fanservice and retcons now, which I don't like.
But overall, game is definitely doing better now and it's superior than it used to be in some ways.
Love a good lore video like this ❤
Thank you for taking your time to compile all this information. I enjoy this thoroughly.
I enjoy so much of this game .Thank you so much for sharing all this information !
Incredible video
great video, thank you for the time and effort you put into making it
Nice video keep the good work
Awesome video. You rock and thank you for your time for researching these characters. I hope you can make more videos like this about the other characters as well. Much love
I only hope they bring back English Voice acting. The Accents are nice.
Gacha has plenty of EN VAs anyways.
I heard that Snowbreak was going to re-write the whole first 10 chapters. Perhaps they can build something that ties things together with the current story in a better way better.
Wow, that's a deep dive. I'm not really invested in the lore but the way you presented it, is super interesting.
The Initial concept of Snowbreak is amazing the problem was the plot, the plot was lazy so all the world they build dont have to much relevance cause most of the people really dont care what happened after the chapter 10.
If they story was good initially im sure the game could be much better and they didnt need to change anything.
Story doesn't really carry gacha games as much as you would think, especially for the target demographics which are CN and JP players mostly. While it adds background at the end of the day these games HAVE to sell charcaters and you know whats easier then just giving lore? Making them attractive, just in the Enya and Cherno patch they made 20 million alone in CN the highest its every been from its abysmal $500k it used to make with the previous direction they had. Unless you are hoyoverse and have wide global appeal you are better off just cattering to that demographic and build the game off of that.
1:34:41 RIP Mingdeng Ji event
Enya's video next? Or Tess'?
Enya and Cherno really have to be done at the same time. Tess doesn't have as much lore to work with as she's the first character to have basically no attachments to the world set up in chapters 1-11, so she's lower priority.
I was thinking about doing Haru, but after the announcements today I think Lyfe or Fenny is probably more timely.
It's kind of sad and bitter now that after i watch this. With how her memories work in the newest, everything seems... idk convenient to the plot. So they just going to use her forgetfulness for narrative instead of consistent clinical condition. You're right that it's just dumbed down version and it fits for the new direction though imo still not organic to take it seriously even as romcom. And the quality of writing seems a bit down too in recent update despite there are more words than chapter 11. I think what makes Chapter 11 is great is that how it shows the development of the characters while Siris stories is looking like a jumble mess of inconsistency. The writers seems fail to show the transition of siris development.
On a hilarious note, That comment in Ksana's personal files section hits the mark. The writing feels like that "An off-hand attempt at a justification for a major story element that the writing team just pulled out of their ahh..."
Another hilarious note. When i read about Siris tells the Adjutant about the trick her mother used to tell her for first time, i got a good laugh out of it because it implies that siris doesn't love her mother. How quaint & cruel.
Great video. As a new player, it's really nice being able to see the old story. Personally, I prefer the old version and I'm glad that you documented it and how it differs from the retcon.
Feels...weird hearing the dub voices. I stopped listening to them after hearing about their intention to change the fan service for them to come back.
I understand the announcement wasn't any happy news, but it's important to note that it was a one sided claim from a Discord moderator who presumably works for member of staff in Seasun's Global Marketing Department. Unless we hear from both Seasun and the agency representing the voice actors, which is unlikely, we cannot claim to know the whole truth.
Moreover, the agency negotiates contracts on behalf of the voice actors. It is unlikely that the situation was solely within the voice actors' control. The fact of the matter was that the nature of the job has changed. If Seasun truly wish to bring English voice acting back, they can explore other agencies who would provide suitable talents, as they have provided for other games with similar requirements.
Finally, it should have been enough to announce that Seasun did not reach an agreement with the English voice acting agency. It was unnecessary and unprofessional to announce the supposed reason behind such decision. Without an official statement from the agency, the reason new contracts were not signed was solely Seasun's claim.
@@algwnpwwhat's funny and strange, that announcement attracted a lot of new players
Bro writing essays in the comments
@@iskoconquers Disgusting tourists
I dont think they have a problem with fan service, Remember Yallu Island event?
Much prefer new Siris and new direction of the game. Retcons are fine with me if the old story doesn’t fit the master love direction.
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In order to dispel yuri tourists, I agree. I'd like the writing to have more consistency, but that plays second fiddle for me.
@@tetraavalon3664 Well they had an old writer who was booted so the lack of consistency is inevitable. It is what it is.
Based devs and happy players. It's so refreshing in an era of wokeness that uglifies and censors every sexy characters.
Is it though? After seeing the scary levels of Para social in Girls Front line. HI3rd, etc. I don't like Companies making money off players' manufactured feelings.
Snowbreak is dead, catering to the lowest fan service loving no lives jesus
More like sold out and went with the Only fans route.