Prusa XL vs Bambu Lab X1C lizard print
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- čas přidán 2. 12. 2023
- This is a quick print for a comparison of the Prusa XL and Bambu X1C. I fairly certan the gaps shown with the Prusa XL are due to a slight calibration issue with the tool heads. Since Bambu Labs 3D printer only has one tool head there is no calibration needed. I will look at that closer. The print close-up will show these gabs. There were seen in the larger lizard pirnt in a prior video published as well. Both the Prusa XL and Bambu labs were printed with 0.4mm nozzles, 0.2mm layers, PLA materials, with standard print settings.
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Prusa XL 5 heads 3400£ - Bambu lab X1C Combo 1350£ 😉. Not everyone can afford Prusa XL for Home use. I think Bambu Lab needs to be compared with Prusa Mk4 with MMU, but nobody does this because of the reliability of the MMU and also for printing features.
And using a P1S you can get the same performance at even lower price from Bambu.
I agree. I have used the MMU in the past and ended up selling it. There were too many filament feeding issues for me.
Hi, other Prusa XL 5T owner here.. very good, objective and informative post. I like it! Looking forward to your next video!
Thanks for listing the specs on the nozzles and print settings. I have the same two printers and have only had the Prusa XL running for a week. The head alignment needed to be repeated 4 times, my belts were not correctly adjusted and after needed a complete head alignment. What did you use for the timelapse on the XL?
The video was recorded with a gopro camera then use a video editing software to speed it up.
@@timzebra Thanks. I have a gopro , but don't edit
@@woodwaker1 GoPro also has a timelapse mode.
@@dennishodge4516 Thanks, I will try to figure it out. Not that great at getting it to do what I want it to do
Nice! Thank you for this
No problem!
Is that a "nozzle wipe" wall off to the side? Or what is it's purpose? Sorry, am new to 3d printing lol
@ravenblackfeather4612 It is mainly to wipe the nozzle between tool changes, but it can be printed without it. I have another video of a larger benchy printed without a wipe tower and it seemed to print fine.
@@timzebra cool! Thank you!
The bambu has a 'wipe' or 'purge' tower, the Prusa XL has a 'prime' tower. A prime tower is used to prime the extruder (ensure proper pressure and flow) before it continues printing. The waste of a prime tower is marginal compared to a wipe or purge tower and the XL can do without it but it improves print quality.
Would you add how much filament she went here and there out of curiosity x2??
Sure. The filament for the Bambu Labs X1C purging (waste) is 12.79m. The Prusa XL wipe tower (waste) used 1.05m. The models are the same but here is what the slicer says: Bambu Labs used 9.13m and Prusa XL used 6.5m. Both models have 15% infill, 2 perimeters, 3 top and 3 bottom layers. These are slicer numbers and not actual measurements from printing. I also did not try to optimize the purging of filament on the Bambu Labs for this comparison.
If this is good quality then what is bad quality?
Thank you 👍✌️
Thanks for the video and comparision. I have neither of these printers, but the alignment problem or whatever on the XL that are causing the lizard to break up, would make me rate this as a low quality (failed, actually) print. Not that it cant be fixed, but of the two actual prints the Bambu's print is better just because it does not fail at the color changes.
Thanks for the info!
canceled my prusa xl pre-order. got a bambu. never going back.
Bambu Labs have some great printers and you really can't go wrong with what you get for the price. My X1C just keeps printing great without a lot of tinkering. I was waiting as long as possilbe to see if they would come out with a larger build volume printer, but final deciced to complete my pre-order for the prusa XL. The Prusa XL is really amazing to watch print, but very frustrating when it doesn't print well. I am hopeful Prusa will continually improve and it seems the printer is getting to a point where new owners will have less issues. My XL is still very sensitive to filaments and now I print temperature towers to find the best lowest stringing temperatures. I also wish Prusa had installed 0.4mm nozzles or gave a choice with the nozzle size....or included multiple nozzle sizes similar to what Bambu Labs did with the first printers ordered.
@@timzebra such an expensive machine like the XL shouldn't require so much fiddling. it seems you can release half finished product, expect end users to fix all your bugs for you, and any criticism can be dismissed with "BuT iTs OpEn SoUrCe". like that makes it ok somehow.
I own an x1c and that tower on your x1c has a lot of issues. I never had that on mine and i presume it is from the filament. I used on mine Formfutura, Filamentum, Polymaker and, of course, bambu. Either it is wet or not properly calibrated (not Bambu and not working with the generic settings for that filament) My towers are always perfect and i also make them a tad smaller. Also, to reduce waste, besides the tuning that was talked before, you can try to design your models to have less changes per layer where possible.
Where did the scraps come from? You left that out!
That is Bambu poop. Besides the purge tower, the Bambu wipes its nozzle and creates filament poop. The Bambu is a very nice printer but very wasteful.
Prusa has a problem with nozzle i think, its looks like toolheads are kinda shifted and parts of the print arent in the right place
Less waste but more problems
Yes I agree the two tool heads used for this are slightly off. I am not sure if it was something that happened with calibration or something I will need to manually adjust after calibration. I have the 5 tool head version and every time I switched a nozzle from 0.4mm to 0.6mm I have to re-run the calibration which I would expect.
XL 5T owner here, have it for 6 weeks now and it is running 24/7 without issues. It is fast, super quality, super reliable and no waste. But it needs to be setup and calibrated properly. It seems that the misalignment comes from a nozzle change without recalibration. That is an operator error not a machine deficiency.
Video makes it seem like you have a bias for the Prusa XL.
Fast and unusable, for me not good print. Where do you see good print?
I agree, the print failed, waste and time are irrelevant comparisons when the Prusa print is a failure. He should re-do this video with successful prints.
if this were to be a more fair test, you should have filled the bed with 10 copies or more.
cause doing multiples on bambulab with multicolor, doesn't scale the purge or wipe time, so i'd be curious to see if the toolhead swapping is actually faster at scale, or if it only wins out on single part prints.
also the other advantage to bambulab is they don't need any user calibration to just work, so the only real obvious advantage of the prusa is it produces less waste.
Very good points.
Yet Recalibrate you xl tool heads lol. Honeslty a fair comparission would be using .4 nozzles on the XL or .6 on bambulab
The video says they're both using 0.4 nozzles
The XL is actually better value if you print a lot. Can't even compare.
I would agree that it prints faster since it has little to no purge with multicolor/material prints, but I am still not sure of the value considering time spent setting it up. I see Prusa is now going to include the 0.4mm nozzle instead of the 0.6mm with is has lots of stringing issues. That will be a big improvement for new customers purchasing the XL. It would have been nice if tech support would have told me this before I purchased 5 0.4mm nozzles.
@@timzebra You might talk to them about it. They have reduced the price of the.4 nozzle for current owners who had the .6 delivered. I got 5 nozzles for under $80 including $15 shipping to the US
Yea 3500 bucks you could have almost 3 Bambu and have a small print farm
But then you lose a decent percentage of money on all the filament waste.
@@aaronchamberlain4698as someone who literally sells multicolor prints printed with Bambulab AMS, I print in bulk so I’m usually printing 16-30 items at a time, the filament swap waste means nothing. Literally workout me spending an extra 10% on filament to make product which is an entire batch of even a lower number like 16 sell for a total of $160 and I am only using 1kg of filament even at the highest waste which could be 150g, I’m wasting $2.50.
You could buy a filament extruder too
XL can do multi materials more reliably than Bambu, I think that's the big difference. And I'm not knocking the Bambu
@@krollmond7544 I don’t know about that. Everything I’ve seen from people with both. The Bambu is way more reliable.
$2000, semi-assembled, open-air printer than can do max 2 colors vs. $1200, fully assembled, enclosed printer than can do 4 colors.
If you have more money than god, I guess this is a good comparison, but unless you need build volume only have the 2 head heads because you are still waiting for Prusa to deliver the 5 heads AND enclosure, then I don't see why these two printers would need to be compared. If you want multi-color printing the X1C is the obvious answer. I'm still not sure who the XL is for if I'm honest. I loved my MK3 but I feel like Prusa has rested on their laurels for too long and the entire market is starting to pass them by.
where did you get the idea from the the XL can only do 2 colors?
@@Pixelplanet5 The XL can only do ONE colour for the €2000 he named. If you want 5 colours it's an eye watering €3700 and that's semi-assembled!
Basically, you can buy three X1Cs for the price of one XL with 5 colours.
@@redavatar yea obviously if you buy a single tool head XL it can only do one color at a time, but you know that when you buy it and will buy that for a reason.
Also no matter how many X1C you can buy for the price, if you need the build volume you can buy 10000 x1C and they will all still be too small.
The XLs build volume is 3 times larger than the X1C so you simply buy the right tool for the job that you need it to do.
@@Pixelplanet5 For the very specific use case of huge multi colour prints, yes you're correct. I don't see myself printing anything multi colour that big myself but I'm sure there's a niche market for it. It's still a very expensive machine and you can't equate build volume to price - I'm sure Bambu is working on a large format printer too, maybe not enclosed and if it will be 50% more expensive, it will be a lot because that's generally what you pay extra for a bed twice the size in cm².
@@Pixelplanet5 in a single print it can only do as many colors as heads. This video has 2 heads, thus 2 colors for this $2000 spec'd printer.
Bambu is superior sorry ! It is ! And I love Prusa but Bambu wins in every aspect especially price ! Simple swapping of hot ends etc.. No comparison Bambu wins !
I agree it is better at this time and I am not sure if Pursa will ever get the XL to the level of a bambu X1C. But I still can get faster multicolor prints from the XL, just not the best quality and still very picky with filament stringing, even with the 0.4mm nozzles.
Now print 10 lizards at the same time and use the maximum printing speed where the lizard will still look good on each of the 2 printers.
Good luck fitting 10 lizards on the Bambus much smaller bed
Even then the waste isn't comparable
Using the original size of this model, downloaded from Thingiverse, 7 lizards do fit on the plate of an X1 or P1 series Bambu.
You will be able to fit 13 of them on the XL plate.
OTOH you can buy 3 Bambu Lab P1S each including a 4 spool AMS and 1 additional P1S without AMS for the price of 1 Prusa XL with 5 Toolheads.
And you can upgrade each of the P1S to a max of 4 AMSs, resulting in 16 colors you can print at once.
The waste should be about 6cm of filament per color change using the Bambu AMS if you tune it down to what's really necessary and there is a working filament change hack (6 lines of G-Code you'll have to insert into the custom G-Code of your printer profile) which will save 2cm on each filament change, so it could be as low as about 4cm per change.
Also the Bambu printers do print at higher speeds with better quality than what I've seen from the Prusa XL so far.
Do the math.
If your goal is to save maybe 2cm of Filament per color change, print very large objects in one piece (which will still take a long, long time on the XL) or print multicolor soft TPU which will supposedly be easier with a toolchanger than with the AMS and you have a lot of money to spend, then go for the XL if not I would consider buying a Bambu Lab P1 or X1 series machine or something comparable.
@@thomasscheiblauer9775 the XL has input shaping, and while the firmware is in the works, it'll have speed rivaling the bambu soon enough, just like the qidi or k1.
The XL can print things like TPU and PVA which the bambu just full stop can't do, and prusa is much more consumer friendly then bambu (why does bambu encrypt log files)
also this is all assuming I want 13 lizards, which you're intentionally doing to bias in favor of the bambu. I dunno about you but I generally don't need more then one lizard, and the XL is miles faster in that regard
@@user-zx4vq4uk9c The XL Input Shaping firmware is still in alpha and the XL does not have an accelerometer in its print head so it has to rely on measurements done by Prusa Research. It's not clear that this will work as well as letting the printer itself do its measurement because it also depends on how you set up your printer.
The Bambu Printers can of course do TPU, just officially not multicolor, although some people manage to print TPU with a shore hardness of >=95A from the AMS.
I print TPU with a shore hardness of 98A with a volumetric flow of 10mm³/s (faster is possible but I want to be on the safe side) which results in an effective print speed of 120mm/s when printing with 0.42mm line width and 0.2mm layer height.
85A still works at at least 8mm³/s.
TPU softer than about 85A is not easy to do, you have to tune the filament profile very carefully and you can't print fast but I manage to print Recreus Filaflex 70A and even 60A consistently and beautifully with a volumetric flow of 3mm³/s, which results in 35mm/s print speed using the aforementioned line width and layer height settings.
If you only need one lizard then it shouldn't be a problem, waiting an hour or whatever longer but there are people who print commercially and those usually have to put as many objects as possible on one plate and print as fast as possible. I don't do this myself but I know some people who print lots of tiny snowman and Christmas tree key chains at the moment which they put on sale in stores nearby.
Also what I said is that you can put 13 lizards onto the XL plate and only 7 onto the Bambu, this is not in favor of the Bambu!
I'd only be interested if the XL could print those 13 multicolor lizards (or at least only 7) quicker or at least as quick as a Bambu the 7 ones with about the same quality output, because this would also have to be considered if you do it commercially and have to have a high multicolor throughput.
Printing just one lizard does not provide this information.
Prusa will still print them faster lmao. Considerably faster. An MK4 with IS can already print as fast as any bambu printer. XL will be even faster than the MK4.
Problem with XL is probably tool misaligned I’ve seen somebody already fixed that with simple print and little change in gcode
Nevertheless seems like Prusa forgot about Beta testing on most anticipated printer 😂
XL 5T owner here, have it for 6 weeks now and it is running 24/7 without issues. It is fast, super quality, super reliable and no waste. But it is a comprehensive machine that requires proper setup and tuning. That is evident for a machine with 5 toolheads, and the setup process is easy and straightforward. Nothing to do with beta testing. (It is properly designed and tested)
We have definitly spent some time as beta testers. I think Prusa has made a number of improvements since I recieved my printer. I haven't had time to try out all the updates made since posting this video, but they seem be resolving issues over time.