PASSIVE RAID HEALING BUILD UPDATE!!
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- čas přidán 23. 12. 2023
- This build is stronger then ever after the recent buffs to Healing Stream Totem!
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Few things:
1. Earthen Wall Totem is not uncapped. The max amount of shielding it can put out is simply based on your max hp.
2. Improved Earthliving weapon would have done (roughly) 0.75% per talent point spent there, and I'm assuming that 30% of additional healing you're getting from it is coming from healing players < 35% hp (which happens FAR less than you'd think). It's simply not a good talent point. Earthliving weapon is totally fine to take and should do anywhere from 4-5% on it's own, but you have to look at what you instead gain by running a weapon rune (worth ~2.5 - 3% of your healing) + gaining a talent point instead. Just food for thought.
3. As you probably noticed yourself, Unleash Life + Wellspring does in fact not do very much. Wellspring can be okay if you're constantly hitting 25+ targets, but the ability was overnerfed previously. DRE really isnt that much better (and I myself hate DRE) however if you're looking to spend an extra talent point down in that section you should run Downpour.
4. Undercurrent is very good, especially with Primal Tide Core. It would have contributed more healing than Earthliving weapon (which you spent 3 points on).
dude, earthliving weapon is decent at 1 talent point (around 4% healing) adding 2 points to get only +2% more heal is painfull to see, when you could get those +1% overall healing per riptide. there's what... 7-8 riptide runing all the time ? 7-8% more healing compared to the 2% of living weapons upgrade
try it and compare numbers yourself brother
that being said it's always a pleasure to watch your fresh build in action
the wellspring/unleash life seems pretty powerfull and feeling good to use
cheers
Hey Zuco, I have been running this build in my PuG raids this week on my RSham and have been loving it. I main a Disc priest and this build has been so refreshing for my pug raids. This week I have been whispered by a few healers in my raid being really shocked I was able to pump on Rsham and top meters. This build is not going to be the absolute top HPS you can squeeze out of the class, but it really does pump and to be honest, the entry is lower yes due to the passive healing, but there is for sure a good learning curve and room for you to optimize in terms of CD management and utility usage.
Thank you for sharing, this build has really been enjoyable and successful for me in my raids, would highly suggest trying this/a variation of this for anyone wanting a chill raid experience. I also think this build or a similar variation would be exceptional for a new person to pickup healing on shaman. The skill basics are easily understood but there is real room to optimize as you get more into the flow.
Also thanks for the always entertaining , informative and more importantly fun focused videos Zuco.
I appreciate it! I'm glad you're enjoying it :)
People who are shocked you can top metered as a shaman are dumb. Shamans have great numbers right now
Hey Zuco, what do you think of Taking Ancestral Awakening and/or Torrent? I figure Torrent is probably great as you already are taking Primal Tide Core.
Yeah, the buffed Torrent is very good in general... The problem is you have to sacrifice other talents to get it... So what do you drop is the question? Earthen Wall Totem? Prob not? It's quite strong... Most of the other talents are required for pathing to the lower part of the tree.
As far as Ancestral Awakening goes... I've tried it and it adds 2-3% more healing, which is good... But I've just found that the immediate response with Chain Heal is really strong at certain points in a fight. Having that quick reaction time can save someone's life!
I haven't seen you mention it in the other videos you did on this build, maybe I'm just blind, but what kind of stat prio are you looking at for this build in both m+ and raid?
For M+ you want to lean more into Haste because you need to be able to react very quickly to incoming damage. It's very bursty right now and people can die in 1 GCD if you don't heal them. So for M+ I'd have this:
Haste: 25-30%.
Crit: As much as you can (35%+)
Verse: Is fine as well, but crit is better.
Mastery: Typically you want to avoid it, but, I have a ton of Mastery and it's been working just fine.
My Mastery is super high because I started my toon as an Ele Shaman... Everyone will tell you that Mastery is the worst thing in the game for R-Shaman and to avoid it at all costs, but that's just a silly idea. Mastery helps out a LOT when people are taking damage, and as you climb into higher M+ or prog in Heroic/Mythic raid, Mastery will be a massive help to your spells.
As far as raid goes:
Haste: 20-25%
Crit: Even more then before if possible (35-40%)
Verse: Fine, but crit is better.
Mastery: Actually fine. Especially on prog.
Hey!, Ty for the tips, what is your shoulder/helm transmorg?
Um, I think it's the Shoulders from Season 1 raid? Or BFA, I'd have to check
just posted in the discord. great minds think alike! happy holidays zuco! i'm using something super similar.
Didn't they fix the bug you could do with wellspring?
Are you only pairing Unleash Life with Wellspring every time? Or are you using Unleash Life to buff your other heals and every now and then using Wellspring with it?
You can use it on other spells as well... Healing Rain is great if the group is going to be stacked up for a bit...
But yes, every time Wellspring and Unleash Life were off CD, I used them together.
Thanks for the reply!@@ZucoWoW
I’m confused. Your going for passive build but instead of taking DRE, a better talent than wellspring and a passive option you take the active ability? I gotta say that makes no sense.
Lol... Most of the build is still passive. Riptide, HST, Healing Tide Totem, Healing Rain, Earthen Wall Totem, Earth Living Weapon, and Tidal Reservoir... That's most of your healing.
All we add are occasional Chain Heals inside the big Mana Tide CD, and Wellspring... We have 2 primary active buttons there... Not exactly a full blown active build...
The reason I'm not taking DRE is because it's unreliable. I can cast Wellspring when I see people taking loads of damage and know it's going to get value. DRE proccing randomly isn't necessarily going to save anyone. It could. I don't think it's a bad talent at all, I just wanted to experiment with Wellspring. :)
@@ZucoWoW you literally just listed a load of talents ALL resto shamans use. And yet THEY are not considered passive. This isn't a passive build. I requires just as much work as any other and uses chain heal only moderately less
I'll just explain some things just so it you don't take things the wrong way. The reason that wellspring is bad isn't due to its healing. Its the opportunity loss of not getting deeply rooted elements. That talent represents about 4 to 5 percent of your overall healing itself. And the points below earthliving are bad because they only add about 1 % overall healing from both points, those points can net way more healing being put anyway else (specifically, undercurrent the two points there equal out to net healing over around 5 to 6% if you play the build you are playing). It seems counterintuitive, but chain heal even when it has a low overhealing percentage doesn't equate to good usage. It is very high mana usage spell, in most cases, especially if you don't talent into making it more effective, it isn't a good button to press. With unleash life (so it hits targets) yes, multiple lower than 50% health targets yes, elsewise it its better to single target with healing wave and try to spread riptides from your tierset. Unleash life makes wellspring an okay button, but unleash is always better used on healing rain or chain heal if it you need it burst during AG. Not trying to shit on it, but also don't want new shaman healer playing into way that will make them out of mana super fast and feel like the spec isn't good.
I get that Deeply Rooted is a good talent, but personally there is no way I would take such a RNG talent for high throughput healing.
And you need to consider the goal of this build, its not about going into the best HPS talents, its about passive healing. Meaning Earthliving Weapon is a great thing to take for passive healing. This kind of build is literally one of the best ways to get into a new spec as its far easier to play and understand. This build is taking Mana Tide Totem and has a heavy emphasis on Riptide, its probably decently mana efficient compared to the state of resto shaman right now. He also had some solid hps considering they had FIVE healers for a 20-man raid.
The build is fine, not the best but thats not the end all for builds, and a good option for those trying out resto sham for an easy in to the spec.
Yeah, a few things... Earth living Weapon is really valuable as a passive healing mechanic. Yes Undercurrent is great, but doesn't ever gain value above 5-6% on average depending on Riptide spreading. It's not bad at all, but having additional passive healing from ELW that requires 0 extra investment is really helpful.
This build doesn't use anywhere near the mana of a full chain heal build... I use very few Chain Heals outside of my Mana Tide cool down, and even when I did, they were still very valuable even though I don't have my talent tree focused on that ability.
Finally Wellspring... It is a very powerful ability even without the Unleash Life buff attached... It costs less than Chain Heal and heals for more... The overhealing shield is a really nice cherry on top.
This build isn't bad. It's actually good. As the other commentor said, it can pump healing... 200k hps is a great number for the raid right now and I didn't run out of mana until the very last seconds of the fight.
@@ZucoWoW Wellspring only heals for more in this build, and you lose passive healing from the deeply rooted elements. As a resto shaman in raid, the most efficient and powerful line up is AG and ascendance (with a chain heal). Unleashed life with healing rain ( have it hit more targets). For reference here for how bad wellspring is, it heals for less than a 4 target chain heal (on average), and by selecting it you lose something that heals for free and heals for more over the duration of a fight. Wellspring used to be great with the busted mastery interaction before they fixed the interaction and nerfed the talent.
if you go a passive route most of all healing you do should be through riptide and it should never even come close to running out of mana. From your mana percentages, and relative fight durations, something is wrong with your play. Remember for this fight you also had source of magic which likely gave you around 60k more mana during the fight.
Earthliving weapon- the active talent is fine (close to overall value of a rune, but that is if you are more actively healing), but the points below are not. They give you 30% more earth living healing (and about 5% extra from the extra effect), so substract that from your breakdown (and then you can see the value of it) and compare that with 5 to 6 % from undercurrent which primal tidal core and water totem master play into.
A deep focus on keeping your riptide on cd, and using healing wave to spot heal targets with riptide ends out being way better and healing more passively (with random procs from deeply rooted). Use healing stream before you get to two stacks. Try to use pwave on cd. Keep healing rain on melee and use it on cd, with unleash life before it. Use your healing cds freely at the beginning of fights, and try not to overlap things unless there is super heavy damage going out. Things like these are better help new players focus on the important things.
To sum it up, the reason why I even bring any of this stuff up is, I don't want newer players getting bad information about resto shaman talents and thinking they should play them when they essentially screw you over mana wise or are flatout wasteful talents. At a healer high end for shaman this is one of the hardest things to balance, and when you do things like this you end up in a bad situation when you get to more intense healing fights (like smoldy or fyrakk).
Damn no upvotes must be wrong then
@@beastlyshotzful i think zuco said last vid he is on elem secondary stats : haste and mastery..
so unless his stuff updated that's a good reason why mana ran out
+ pumping on mastery and getting 200k hps is pretty impressive as this stat is counterintuitive for rsham
I like how this is called "passive" because alot of creators are comming out with "Lazy shaman" builds then complaining that they cant make HST work then you look at their talents and always somone in the comments saying "look at zucoWoW he did this and this better watch his video"......and people be like "well HST is for lazy players" im sorry i dont want to spend my time frantically filling a cloudburst only to not need jt lol
Lol, yep, 100%... The passive healing build still requires you to pay careful attention to HP bars for triage healing. You still use big CD's like AG, Mana Tide Totem and Ascendance to cover big moments of need. It's not lazy to have a layer of passive healing keeping the raid alive in the background.
Exactly and people think taking the RNG talent for dungeons is bull because I heard atleast one say "because you never have it when you need it and it's not consistent".....nah you kinda just press the button like you would in any other resto build....people sometimes are just afraid of change when even the class writers like theune only complain and say they give up on shaman because this season
Also using your dungeon build I actually very easily healed my first twenties and 21 this week for this season and my group was griping "why do you only have 3 casts of chain heal" to which I respond "you weren't complaining when we timed it so if it works for me let it work or you can heal it " lol
@@rhombodazzle9700no group would of asked why you didn't cast chain heal much.....
@@michaelsabol1156 sorry I should explain when I said that I mean my 5 man I run with not pugs lol
First XD