2 Hunters Disappeared & Found Dead/Separately 12 miles apart in Nahanni National Park
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Hey everyone, in today's video we will be going to Nahanni National Park in the Northwest Territories of Canada.. On June 12, 2005 David Horesay (60) and Frederick Hardisty traveled to a friend's cabin 77 miles Northwest of Fort Simpson. The two men were inseparable friends and their friend Rod Gunderson had let them use his cabin for a wilderness hunting trip.
On June 16, 2005 Rod returned to his cabin to find it locked and the two men missing.. This is the very bizarre story of what happened.. Neither men would leave the area alive. Rod alerted authorities but the men were not found for many weeks. The RCMP only searched for the men for a week and it was the families and friends of the men who kept the searches going, and eventually found them. They also found a bunch of bizarre clues..
They were each found in different areas miles away from the cabin.. one was found roughly five miles away in thick brush and was said to have passed away due to hypothermia.. the other was found over 12 miles away in the river. Nothing about this case makes any sense. The door to the cabin was locked with all their supplies and hunting gear inside.
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I read a lot about this case, and there's a lot of missing info here, regarding the state of the cabin. They'd been under attack by "something" outside, one night, that was trying hard to get in. The outside of the cabin was torn up, and they'd been SO terrified, that they actually fired their rifles through the roof, walls, and floor. At one point, whatever it was, got up on the roof and disconnected the stove pipe (while a fire was burning unside). This caused the hot pipe to fall off, and they had to put the fire out fast, as smoke filled the cabin. This is how the one guy hot burned, and why the cabin interior had smoke damage, and pieces of burned wood on the floor (as they tried to put the fire out quickly) At some point, they exited the cabin (most likely the next morning), only they neglected to take their gnz. It's assumed that they must have gone out armed, a little earlier, and it was quiet. So, after breakfast, they went back out to check the damage, and fix the stove pipe, etc., and the "thing/things" attacked again. Not being armed or able to get back inside (based on how this transpired), they ran into the forest, in different directions. It appears that they both died of exposure, hiding from the attacker(s) - unable to get back to the cabin. From the kind of tearing at the outside of the cabin, and the fact that "it" had gotten up on the high roof too, it did not appear that it could possibly have been a bear. The question remains -WTF was it? What happened out there? I feel so bad for them..
Details like yours are very interesting. He said there were "fires" outside the cabin, which to me insinuates that what or whomever was outside may have tried to burn them out. The fact they left their guns is really strange. Maybe they ran out of ammo during the attack and were forced to flee. The RCMP sounds like they are not really invested in their jobs if they are brushing this off, or they have something to hide.
Wow. There sure is alot of missing info. Thank you for filling in some gaps. I wonder what or who might be responsible for those men's demise.
Thanks for the details...Makes the whole story even more intriguing.
I assume there is speculation with the story you told... it does remind me of the dyatlov case...these people were also forced out of their "home" and unable to return because of the threat..
It's called the headless valley for a reason!! Many do not go there, might sound far fetched but many have disappeared in this place & has a long history of the sasquatch that don't tolerate people there & will hunt those who venture there
Ive spent 50 years hunting many times in remote areas. I have never come across a cabin or shelter that was locked. I come to bear proofed cabins but there's always been a hammer or some tool to get in. People do this for providing shelter for people in trouble. A locked door or un boarded window won't stop a Bear if it smells food. I can't believe that two experienced hunters would leave a cabin lock it up and leave their firearms behind and i wouldn't separate from my hunting buddy while exploring or hunting especially in such a remote environment. It sounds like the Mounties dropped the ball, and i think they know more than they are letting on. It's totally possible that they know of people who live totally off the grid in that area being isolated can have a strange effect on a person's psyche.
Aaron Snyder has discussed this issue of being isolated in the wild .
I'd imagine anyone living in the wild wouldn't want ANYONE around and would have no issue killing people they find.
NEVER leave guns behind my friends never.
This smells like they walked into a government operation no one was supposed to find.
@@robertwatson818 exactly what I was thinking.
As a former USCG member who has spent many years performing S&R operations in the Northwest Olympic Peninsula, I can tell you there are places so remote that entire families live out there with no contact to the outside world, So it's not hard to believe there could be such people living in the far North of Canada.
Amazing that there are people living in such remote places and how that could affect their sense of reality. Kind of a stretch, I realize, but it reminds me a little of the old TV series, Twin Peaks. Who knows what's "out there"?
What about a Bone Tomahawk style Indian tribe? That was my first guess to all the early incidences back in the 1800's and early 1900's. But I wasn't sure if an entire tribe, even if it was an inbreed one could not be found and cataloged by the government. But then again the Wild West didn't die until 1929 when Wyatt Earp passed away and the others from that time. Wasn't that long ago really.
There is a joe Rogan pod cast where a guy talked about gangs of organized poachers in national parks who will shoot at rangers
If you have the highest knowledge on both the earth's shape and the hidden history of the Tartarian empire then you would know why this wilderness is mostly off limits. Both of these men figured out that this was a high military underground complex center where both Tartarian giants (Niplim), and North American military's work together. 10 to one they figured out where there was a lot of gold. Problem was it was off limits due to what else was in the area. Sounds like to me, that both men were paid a visit by military people dressed as hunters. Once they knew the two men had figured out to much, the guns came out.Battle broke out one was killed the other one shot but not dead was then tortured (burned) until they knew he didn't tell anybody else anything--then he was put on a chopper and both dropped at different places. This is what you can figure out when you know the true shape of the earth and who and where they control it from. !0 to one there are hundreds of stories just like this one in the same area over a couple of hundred years. It a no go zone.
Like that show, The Last Alaskans, in (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge) When their children pass, no more people will be allowed to live there.
As a long term resident of Ft Simpson, I personally know David and Freddie as well as the families of both men. I also know Rod Gunderson as well. I am very familiar with the area where Rod’s cabin is built. It is located on the North Nahanni River not the South Nahanni river. Also it is pretty far away from Nahanni National park as well. Prior to covid lockdowns, on my last trip to Ft Simpson I had met up with Rod who invited me to do a trip to his cabin on my next trip up. A trip I very much was looking forward to as it had been early 2000’s when I did my first trip up that way. Calling this a strange mystery is putting it lightly!
Did you end up going to the cabin?
Well, since you know Rod so well ... WTF did he have to say about the ordeal?
What do you think happened?
@@northernfury6500 Rod along with many other locals spent days and weeks traveling the rivers in search of the 2 men. The fact that the men left behind their fire arms and personal gear did not make sense.
@@MountainCat So were the two hunters/victims staying /with/ Gunderson or was he not in the area at the time the men disappeared? If Gunderson was staying at his cabin with the men, then obviously he would have been a serious person of interest to investigators.
Nefarious activity is highly probable. First, experienced outdoorsmen out in the middle of bear country would be very unlikely not to bring their firearms with them - even on a basic hike. Even if one man ventured alone for a while without returning and the other set out to look for him he'd likely bring his firearm along just in case. That's just for starters.
Good point.
Stay away from all mountains without bear spray an a high powered rifle. Please stay together with your party.
But who is in the area? Surely a National Park needs an Access Permit? And the flights' records? I'm sure he said that was the only way to get in there.
What would they be hunting in June ?? Bear would be the only thing open. I doubt they would be out Bear hunting without a firearm,,,,,,did they have cabin keys on them ???
Ten gauge shotguns, fifty cal, 20 mm,
are weapons to keep you alive when ur over run by giant bigfoot...sadly ur doomed to succeed as bigfoot are classified as an endangered species & humans are expendable...missing 411
My grandfather was one of the men building the Trans-Canada (Alaskan) highway during World War II. He told me stories about the legend of "Headless Valley" and how hunters and prospectors were found murdered, often with their heads removed. These more recent deaths seem to only add to the mysteries associated with the Nahanni region. From photographs of the region, it appears to be an absolutely gorgeous, albeit deadly, wilderness. As a hunter myself, I cannot imagine walking into the woods without being armed with a high-powered rifle or at least a shotgun. I once found myself face-to-face with a mountain lion in a part of the world where they are not supposed to even exist. These guys would not leave a locked cabin without their weapons if they could help it. Something very strange happened and the RCMP don't want to get to the bottom of it. Perhaps for good reasons!
Our one time PM, Pierre Trudeau, canoed there on numerous occasions. Must be assasins in the woods.
@@LuckyTown77 Too bad the y missed him....we might not be stuck with his loser son....
@@joeshmoe7967 Castro's son
@@Krawn_ gotta be proud eh, mommy was a real party animal, and we have a country of soccer moms who voted for this pathetic pos
Because they snow a type of big foot exist there. Why else would FDR designate as a National Park & Reserve protected region. Anything you find there you cannot kill. Go figure. BIG FOOT. Bear, wolf, or Mountain Lion are not gonna leave food behind.
I don't think people realize just how large that area is and just how few RCMP members there actually are available to search. The rule of thumb is that if you disappear up there, you're on your own.
Our local Dene, hunters friends do and will search for our own! My family and uncle hunts up there by himself 2 weeks at a time. We know our land! Fucking rcmp don't do shit incompetent, racist fuckers!
One of my colleagues who happens to be a geologist told me a creepy story about being in the Canadian Northwest Territories close to 35-40 yrs ago. For his masters in Geology, he and another student from his University (some Northern Uni in the States) were assigned to do some field work in the Northwest Territories. They flew to some small airport (apparently had to go through several airports after departing original location- each time the planes getting smaller and smaller). They rented a truck and started driving hours north. I remember him saying they had to rent a truck with extra gas reserves and also carried gas cans because there was nothing out where they were going. Along the drive they didn't see a single car or person. and then all of a sudden they see something laying in the road, they slowed down but had to swerve to miss it. when they passed this thing in the road, they see it is a person laying down in the middle of the road. Screaming at each other about what to do, my colleague who was driving kinds of freaked out and stepped on the gas... his school partner screamed for him to stop so they could check on if he was hurt ...but when they looked back, the guy was standing up staring back at them. They drive into the next town to check in to their motel, which happened to be their destination. They mentioned what they saw to the hotel clerk and her eyes got big and she said - "well I know you didn't stop because if you did, you would be dead". She said what they do is lay in the road when a car approaches then as someone gets out of a car to check on them, bends over and the person laying in the road will stab or cut the good Samaritan's throat...
Anyway, they were freaked out but the next day drove just a few miles further North of that town, turned off the main road and parked their truck close to where they were going to be hiking to and doing their geological field work. They wanted to park the truck away from the main road - in case someone thought it was abandoned. They set up camp next to this lake, did some work and then called it a night. No problems - until the next day. They were having breakfast before getting ready to set out to do more work and that is when they heard this whizzing sound fly past them. And just above them where ARROWS in the trees. They stood up and got behind trees for protection and they could see across the lake two guys carrying bows & pointing more arrows at them. They had no time to grab anything...all they could do was run in the opposite direction of where there truck was. But they could run towards the road they came in on. When they got to the road, they made a life saving decision. They ran the opposite way of town. They assumed that the guys chasing them would have assumed that is the direction they would have gone because the other direction was NOTHING for hundreds of miles. they ran in the road for a bit figuring the guys still had to run around the lake and they had a few mins head start. But after a several minutes they jumped into the woods to hide. Fortunately, they were a bit away from where they came out of the woods. They laid low and watched the two guys come out. They immediately started heading towards town. My colleague said they knew they could not go back to the truck nor their campsite. And, they waited a good bit before running back to town. Fortunately, they made it with no more encounters. They got someone familiar with the area and was also carrying a weapon to take them back to their truck. They did not bother going back to the campsite. The guy who drove them back to the truck said wouldn't be worth going the campsite because it would be gone. Never asked my colleague why the truck would be there(surprised it wasn't stolen) ... next time I see him I will (and I'll ask him to tell me what town). Story still creeps me out. And, if I ever see someone laying across the road...i ain't stopping.
Yikes 😳 😬 me either
I think I'll just stay here in Edinburgh and if I feel like going to see some beautiful mountains and lochs, I'll just nip up to the north of Scotland. These north American mountains are dangerous places, whether it's the wild animals or wild men 😱👹☠ scary!!!
sounds like what haoppened to them. lots of people in the country where i live seem to all live in the country are the most crazy, why would they want to live in town when they can do what they want in perfect anonimity where no one will no the difference?
Dam!
@@chair8540 And 'mate with each other, who ever, and what ever 😳😳🙄🙄'
If you look into the area also known as the Headless Valley it's a deep rabbit hole of mysterious deaths.
Hammerson Peters has the best info on this
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@@robinjandhi6661 , thanks!
I’ve heard stories about that place that included a possible dinosaur type critter in the 17 or 18 hundreds. Possible semi civilized people who don’t like intruders. All kinds of stuff. Besides the horror of homicides this place just seems made of mystery! Now I’m going to have to go back and reacquaint myself with everything!
@@chucknora4194 semi civilized people wouldn't survive one winter in this place, it's get to -45C and it's winter 8 months of the year up there
Sounds like they were run out of the cabin at gunpoint and became separated. There is some sort of cover up by the RCMP.
Yeah, what happened to the Mounties always getting their man?
Sounds just like the dyatlov pass incident
Cabin doors found locked. Were there keys to the lock on either victim? Or were they expelled from the cabin without their firearms and without keys? Did they move in a direction TOWARD a road? Mysterious burns on hand and arm? Bulllet holes in the cabin and floor? Recent, or with age due to exposure to dust, moisture, and air? The questions weren't asked, and sought for an answer. Maybe because the investigating RCMP know the answers, and won't go there.
@@johngreydanus2033 there's nothing to say there was any man to get. The men were not murdered. The wilderness is an unforgiving place that can take a life at the drop of a hat.
@@misguidedangel6550 David and Freddy were experienced Dene bush men. They were murdered. Many facts are incorrect and missing from this account. People need to talk to the Dene men who searched for and found these two men - they know what happened
We've been waiting 33.75 years for answers in my friend's disappearance and murder. This summer an eyewitness finally came forward and has given a location of his remains but the detectives and Sheriff's office has done absolutely nothing to recover his body or make any arrests.
I hope & 🙏that they are able to find your friend who disappeared. 34 yrs is so long for any family & other loved ones to not know what happened to them! It also sickens me to hear that the police are not being helpful to their family who has been amongst the missing persons case! Much respect. ☮🕊
In the forest? Or water ?
Hi, I’m from Yellowkife Northwest Territories. I have friends in Ft. Simpson. I have asked people about the disappearance of David Horsey and Fredrick Hardisty . My friends only know what was reported in the papers and on CBC North Beat .some of my friends say that the search for the two hunters was suspended because the hunters were native. If it had been two while guys they would of searched until no end . One of my sons friends boarded with us for his last year of high school he is from Ft. Simpson. He said that the RCMP were trying to cover up something. What?? He didn’t know. Both hunters knew the country well . Both men had hunted in the same area . One lady , my sons friends said , that the two men got drunk and got into a fight over a woman. But my one of my friends said it was not true . The pilot who flew them in to the cabin saw no booze on the plane. Both men were sober when he dropped them off . There is so many stories on the streets about these guys .
I have a good friend in Jean Marie River she knows the sister of one of the hunters I’m not going to say which hunter. My friend is going to ask her about the tragedy that happened in the Nahanni.
I have another story about the Nahanni if Bryan would like to here it let me know.. I’m going to try to get more information on the two hunters. I’m going to dig deep. I hope I don’t ruffle to many feathers
Did anything shake out? Any new info on the hunters? I enjoyed your comment, being as you are close to the community and where this all happened. I always say, the locals know. In most situations, even when the authorities cant or wont go on record, word is out among the people. Most often info comes out around a fire light, in a winter living room or around a stone ring with folding chairs in better weather.
Thank you.
Im half Native American & I'm from the Great Smoky Mtn natl park area originally. I've spent my whole life in the woods & I've been all over. I've seen strange things too. Though w/ the nahanni I feel it's the same problem we have here as well as in places like the superstition mtns. Hidden tribes that went way back in the bush to stay separated from the modern world. Our people have always known they exist & they are incredibly dangerous. Some are even cannibals. I've been stalked by them b4 myself. Not a good feeling being hunted.
@ Realgrower - you know this… how?
Are you his conjoined twin, or mom?
I can confirm that this World is a strange one. A family member had an experience with a tribe of cannibals in the Philippines. But from the sounds of it, they were dealing with something, a bit more fierce than mere humans.
The Peruvian skulls found in 1923 are those creatures with longated heads
Fascinating. Please tell me more.
This is true of this area! Look up Mr Ballen's video about this area. The tribes have moved further out of this area because of "demons." There is a very long history of people being attacked, killed, fires in cabins and bodies with burns.
I agree completely. There's much more to this case- and it is a case in my point of view. Not one single thing about what happened to these two men makes any sense whatsoever. It is just unbelievable that the RCMP has not and will not investigate this case. As always, thank you for the great video.
There are some cases that you just ask yourself: why does it seem law enforcment WANTS this to be nothing?
In nova scotia the rcmp paid a madman $500 000 on camera in a brinks parking lot at 2am and 3 days later he murdered 21ppl on a rampage and then they shot him in the head after he was subdued. Do the math
@@deludedhybridseverywhere5326 Maths was never my strong point🙄
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair
The RCMP did investigate the case, they died of misadventure
After all this time, I don’t know if this case can be solved. However, the first place to start is to get a complete copy of the autopsies. The second would be to get detailed police reports and witness statements of the searchers and things that they noticed or discovered. More needs to be known about the bullet holes in the cabin, where they shots from inside or outside. How much food was consumed would indicate how long they were there before their demise. As well, the location of the small fires. What kind of door lock was on the door? Why was smoke still coming from the cabin, which would indicate how recently they were there? And what gear was with the men or left in the cabin? Then as much detail about other deaths and/or missing person reports for the last twenty years in that area. A well-seasoned detective with adequate funding ($100,000) should be enough to solve the case if solvable. If there are legends of strange animals or people in the area, a large battery of strategically placed high-end trail cameras should be able to determine that potential avenue. You would think that if the families of these men really wanted to know what happened that they would have made a real effort to get to the bottom of it. Something is amiss about this story…
Bryan you produced a beautiful clip of the South Nahanni National Park Reserve, but these events happened up the North Nahanni River. The RCMP has been negligent in solving this case so the CBC TV show The Fifth Estate needs to do a journalistic investigation into what really happened. And they need to start by talking to the Dene men who searched for and found David and Freddy. They know what happened.
If they really knew what had happened, they'd have told people and everyone else would know by now. The Dene men don't know what happened.
@@richardernsberger5692 Talking is dangerous.
Gunderson, the cabin owner needs to be interviewed and polygraphed. That's basic investigation 101!
Yes. Owner has a spare key.
Agree Meca!
Why would the cabin owner allow these two "friends" of his use his cabin, just to kill them?
You can’t force anyone to take a polygraph or submit to an interview.
You need to float plane.out of there, so unless the owner could fly.... I read a lot about this case, and there's a lot of missing info here, regarding the state of the cabin. They'd been under attack by "something" outside, one night, that was trying hard to get in. The outside of the cabin was torn up, and they'd been SO terrified, that they actually fired their rifles through the roof, walls, and floor. At one point, whatever it was, got up on the roof and disconnected the stove pipe (while a fire was burning unside). This caused the hot pipe to fall off, and they had to put the fire out fast, as smoke filled the cabin. This is how the one guy hot burned, and why the cabin interior had smoke damage, and pieces of burned wood on the floor (as they tried to put the fire out quickly) At some point, they exited the cabin (most likely the next morning), only they neglected to take their gnz. It's assumed that they must have gone out armed, a little earlier, and it was quiet. So, after a light breakfast, they went back out to check the damage, and fix the stove pipe, etc., and the "thing/things" attacked again. Not being armed or able to get back inside (based on how this transpired), they ran into the forest, in different directions. It appears that they both died of exposure, hiding from the attacker(s) - unable to get back to the cabin. From the kind of tearing at the outside of the cabin, and the fact that "it" had gotten up on the high roof too, it did not appear that it could possibly have been a bear. The question remains -WTF was it? What happened out there? I feel so bad for them...
Just wanted to say how impressed I am that you are not only doing a compilation, but it's a compilation of NEW material! I think you're the first CZcamsr I've seen to do that!
Yes this Valley is called the Nahani valley or headless valley for a reason by the Deni people. Anytime you find a cabin fully stocked with food, a lit fire, but firearms left behind, means one thing, the two men heard a knock at the door and what ever invited themselves in were capable of luring two grown outdoorsman into the dark forest was posing as a fellow hunter in need of directions or a guidance. As soon they were lured out from the cabin without their firearms they must of been jumped as marched deep into the forbidden forest. I think one of them made a break after three kilometers of marching, whereas the other one jumped into or was forced into the river after walking 20 kilometers by something. In past stories, gold miners searching for the vast gold reserves were found missing their heads, with rifles with bent barrels! What could bend a shotgun or hunting rifles barrel?
sasquatch, no doubt.
This happened to a member of my family. One fell in the water, the other tried to help. Thanks. No foul play, just an unfortunate accident
The original search team found something that made them clam up. They know more then what they are letting out to the family or public.
Our thoughts exactly. Why shoot up your shelter cabin and possibly destroy your food supply? They very well couldn't go grocery shopping. Something very fishy here.
Absolutely
Yes "bigfoot"
@@michaelcarey299 No Illuminati Elite killing parties. Hunting Humans. More likely.
A common thread in these cases seems to be that Park Authorities know something but aren't allowed to disclose the truth.
It's a conspiracy! Like Area 51!! LOL
The one huge fact about the area these men were in that no one is mentioned is that it's bear country and no way would 2 experienced hunters just take off without their guns !! And as far as the cabin door being locked is concerned, we have stayed in many cabins where the door was set to lock whenever you closed it. A grizzly bear can easily push an unlocked door open and we were told that is why the cabin doors were set to lock whenever you closed the door and that we better be sure to keep our key on us every time we left the cabin. I agree with many of you, I believe the investigation went as far as the RCMP wanted it to go and whatever they found they aren't sharing and if this was an attack from Bigfoot they aren't going to put it in their report because so many people still believe that Bigfoot is only a meth! Something terrible happened at that cabin, and these men were too good of friends for it to have been something so simple as a " disagreement between them and both men knew how cold and dangerous the river is to have simply fallen in . That location is wilderness , very cold, uninhabited by people and considering the number of grizzly bears and the weather conditions, a serial killer living in the area is EXSTREAMLY unlikely! Bigfoot do exist, and they are wild and very territorial creatures !! You have to do a process of elimination as to what would be so aggressive as to go after these men from outside the cabin that would cause them to fire off their guns from inside the cabin at it. Also, what could have been capable of getting on the roof and DISTROYING a hot stove pipe ! ? . This is a truly bazaar case. But there are a lot of cases like it in countries everywhere. It has crossed my mind that possibly the police don't want to be anywhere around that cabin or the area any longer than they have to be for fear of whatever attacked the men were to return.
Hmmm 🧐 that very well could be the case that the area is simply too dangerous
Stated at top of video that there are an estimated 1000 grizzly bears in the region, there are wolves there as well.
Put a dead bigfoot on the kitchen table and we can have that conversation, until then it is just meth.
@@writerconsidered people who believe in Bigfoot are kids and retarded adults and both is understandable and quite normal. BUT the adults with no brain trauma and an IQ over say even 85 to believe in Bigfoot is amazing to this day. The men who started the hoax were maybe more brilliant than most people even grasp! LOL, like scientists say, we find fossils of dinosaurs from zillions of years ago but never a single Bigfoot bone! so your joke is right on. BUT we don't even need a dead one intact! Just maybe a LEG or how about a FOOT !
@@jimbonham5910 Its really just a cult belief which is akin to religious belief.
Sounds a little like what David Paulides has fiound - that the public parks don't want the disappearances to get out because they want people to keep coming and financially support the parks and their communities.
You got it!
Bullet holes inside cabin.. what the hell they at.. burned hands.. 12 mikes apart.. something strange went down
Nahanni Valley...I've heard is a super creepy place. Lots of high strangeness. Look it up!!! Lots of people with no heads.
Just discovered this channel. As an avid fisherman and lover of nature I find the stories fascinating and shocking at the same time. Thank you
Another thought: For some reason, someone, one or many, wanted the two men out of the cabin. The cabin was surrounded. Shots were fired out of and into the cabin. Those outside set fires to keep warm and to fill the area with smoke and to create sources of burning wood to place against the cabin to burn it down. The two men inside were told they would be burned alive along with the cabin if they did not leave. To help convince the men, the stove pipe was broken so smoke would not escape the cabin but fill it up. The men had little time. They were told to exit the cabin without their rifles or else perish in the flames or be shot while trying to exit. The men not wanting to burn exited the cabin without their rifles and were allowed to escape. Padlocks were placed on the doors to prevent the men from returning to get food and their guns. This ensured the men would die in the wilderness and the cabin would be abandoned. ???
Lol. Nice tall tale. Not possible. There are only a handful of people there at one time.
Sounds like they ran for their life.
Nothing says they ran for their life.
@@misguidedangel6550 It all says they did. Could not stay together(101).... Happened at night from how they found them had not time to protect themselves with any warm clothes and froze to death had to move so fast. How did he get in the river? Running in the dark and falling in. Wake up... then blog
@@samiam9059 everything you wrote is just pure speculation, nobody knows if it happened at night or day, one person drowned the other died from the elements which could have been from one friend falling in the river and the other goes in to save him but he can't. The river is glacier fed water and you can die from hypothermia in this water in minutes especially in June when way up North there could still be snow in places of elevation. One man drowns the other ends up so far down the river he gets lost trying to find his way back to the cabin and dies. My theory is just like yours, pure speculation because nobody knows, but nothing says they ran for their lives other then theories, nothing factual with evidence
@@misguidedangel6550 So? You did not add anything. Another theory
@@misguidedangel6550 doesn't explain the burns on one of the men's arms, bullet holes all over the cabin and the cabin door being locked behind them. I agree with Sam, that something chased them off.
This sounds like a major cover up. The RCMP sounds like the Keystone Cops. How did the burns on the arms occur?
Why would two intelligent men, in the wilderness, leave their weapons behind?
This smells of foul play. Thank you Bryan for sharing this intriguing story. All the best to you. 🤗
Yes Ronald! Those were the 2 things that stood out to me as well. Going out into the wilderness with NO weapons?
I live in northern Canada and it is not a place to be taken lightly no matter what you are doing. Hunting and fishing involves going to places way off the beaten Trail. A day's walk is not out of the ordinary to reach so-called civilization. If you're not prepared you can be caught quickly off-guard. RCMP are underfunded and have a vast area to Patrol. You're right that this case needs more investigation but the question I have is the one you ask who leaves Camp without their gun? Ontario is not a city LOL it's a province.
@@kevinmiller3375 We go to church with a loaded 9 in Michigan because of freaks of nature. Always carry a defensive tool.
@@hoppes9658 I live in southern British Columbia (western Canadian province) in dense forest with cougars and grizzly frequently showing up in my yard and I would never think to carry a gun.. The only thing to be concerned about in the forest, is fools with guns, not the creatures that live there.
@@deannicholls8715 not too much dense forest happening in southern BC. And I'm pretty sure you don't have to deal with cougars or bears. Anybody who lives in the bush Carries a Gun.
It is a miracle these life long friends were found at all. And to be able for the medical examiner to say what these men died from. So many unanswered questions. My condolences to the families of these men. Sounds like the ball was definitely dropped . I’ve always heard the Canadian police are the counter part of the Texas rangers. No stone goes unturned with the Texas rangers. I hope these families get the answers to just exactly happened to they’re loved ones. 🙌
the rcmp never get their man
If that's what the Texas Rangers do, then the RCMP is their opposite. They don't want to look under any stones, and they don't want you looking under them either.
In this part of Canada, as with a number of areas in the mountains east of Vancouver, many mysterious deaths and disappearances have occurred over hundreds of years. And yes, I agree that there is a reason why the RCMP never did a thorough investigation and never will.
They know what’s out there in the woods
I won’t disagree with you.. This is strange.
They'd rather be known as the laziest and most disinterested cops on Earth.
Did this happen in the Headless Valley? There is historically numerous disappearances, murders, etc there. The First Nation's peoples basically avoid this area because of this.
I believe you are correct, I watched a video by Mr Ballen about the valley, it's shocking how many horrendous murders and suspicious deaths have happened there !
This tragedy happened in North Nahanni, not the South Nahanni Headless Valley.
Yes. The Nahani valley. Beautiful but too much bad folklore for me.
Actually,
it reminds me of the
Dyatlov Pass Incident.
Experienced people are in a
secure dwelling and then they
run off unprepared and die in the wilderness.
They are by no means the same
but they sure do remind me
of each other...
I think it wasn't a person. They could fight off a person. A bigfoot though, especially an aggressive one would scare the he'll out of anyone.
@@icantthinkofaname15
That valley has a bad history.
Whatever is out there appeared to collect human heads...
not this time,though.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Dyatlov Pass is the most haunting occurrence I have ever heard of. We may never know what happened.
@@thegreencat9947
There was another one over there that was bizarre but very different.
One survivor,
it was like a biological or chemical warfare incident,though.
Different in that there was one survivor,similar in that nothing really explains everything and they were all advanced outdoorsmen/women.
It is known as the
Khamar Daban Incident.
Here on YT,
Mr Ballen did a pretty good job on it,
if you know who that is.
His video is called:
“The Russian Death March”.
@@thegreencat9947 Dyatlov has been credibly explained. The bigfoot/yeti community just can't let go of one of their favorite stories.
Here is my conjecture:
One of the men was by the river, fell in and drowned, then floated downstream. When the other man realized the first man was missing, he set several fires so that the first man could see the smoke and/or at least one of the fires to find his way back. With no response, the second man locked up the cabin, went looking for his buddy, got lost and died from hypothermia. The fires may have died out earlier. He didn’t bring gear because he expected to find his buddy soon. If the guy that died of hypothermia had cabin keys with him, that would support some aspects of this scenario. The RCMP may have given up “early” because they knew that if they didn’t find them readily there was little hope of ever doing so in that vast wilderness.
He would have taken a rifle though, that's the red flag.
But that doesn't explain anything regarding the bullet holes in the cabin or the smoke stack being taken off..
I'd love to know which direction those holes pierced the cabin, in/out? Or both? And what was up with the hole in the floor?
Not to forget, that as well versed outdoorsmen ,I'm sure that both of these guys knew how populated this region was with Brown Bear, and would of never ventured anywhere with at least a side arm, not even to the bathroom
I've heard dozens of reports of Sasquatch making a ruckus at night around a campfire or cabin, and then disappearing in the daytime. The Sasquatch group would escalate if a member was injured or killed.
Hi Bryan! I agree, the deaths of these two men are odd to say the least. I am also aware that they are not the first odd deaths in this area. It is peculiar that the RCMP didn't further investigate at the time. It would have been a big job but a fair and equitable thing to do. There is at least an equal chance that their deaths were nefarious rather than of natural causes. Even the most superficial overview of the cabin and the mens' bodies suggest that neither was found as woud be expected under "ordinary" circumstances. I have at least 20 points of curiosity and I am not trained in any aspect of law enforcement or criminal investigation.
Definitely a cover up ....
Something bad happened to those 2 guys.
@@istra70agreed! A coverup indeed. No doubt about that.
Something bad indeed
And rcmp knows about it too . My cousin is with the rcmp a field investigator I believe. I remember him saying to my family that it is like science fiction and that he can't speak about it yet. I'll have to remember to ask him to tell me next time we speak. He is very open about stuff with family
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Their deaths were not nefarious but frightening never the less. One was found deceased ,crouched in tall brush. Cause of death…… hypothermia. His best friend’s body was found 12 miles from the cabin in the river. Cause of death…. drowning.
why would they feel the need to lock their door?
All very bizarre and why would they leave their weapons behind in an area known for grizzlies and other wildlife?! And how did they end up so far apart? Just so many questions with this case! Thank you for watching and your feedback!
@@bawattsyl leaving their weapons behind is the biggest red flag, they were too experienced to do that. I understand locking a door, wildlife smell food and "help themselves" if the doors, windows aren't secured. But there are still too many loose ends. How did they end up so far apart? One explanation is that they were hypothermic enough to be disoriented, one did succombe to hypothermia , the other became more disoriented and fell into the river. But that still leaves way too many unanswered questions. The biggest is leaving their weapons behind. Who else was up there and why?
@@christinemeleg4535 I'm very experienced as well and I always leave my weapons behind if I'm going for a hike, usually will bring a can of bear spray thats it
@@christinemeleg4535 these men were Canadians, they don't think "guns" 24/7
@@misguidedangel6550 guess they should of
One of the men falls in the river the other goes in to try and save him but he can not, they both get swept down the river. The man drowns and is swept way down the river, the other man is able to get out of the water a couple miles away but is now lost and cold and dies of hypothermia. "Burns" on the arms was just the body beginning to decay. Obviously a case like this isn't gonna get the same attention as someone missing in Toronto because this place was literally in the middle of nowhere. Somewhere that only small water planes can take people.
Please don't leave your day job to become an investigator!
There are many instances for folks disappearing in the wilds. The circumstances may seem weird, but if the medical examiner can't find any sign of foul play and the cause of death is drowning and hypothermia then there is nothing the police can investigate. The circumstances are strange but NO CRIME has been committed. I agree that the initial search was cursory, but these searches are actually very expensive in terms of manpower, time and money. Especially way out in the NWT, literally the middle of nowhere. Should the police have created a crime scene around the cabin? As a retired police detective I would have. It would have been very embarrassing if these two guys had been found with bullet holes in them. But they weren't.
The bottom line is, and I speak from personal experience, if you want to go to the middle of bum-f**k nowhere for an adventure, you better make plans and anticipate possible problems and make sure you have adequate resources for your own extrication and be able to communicate with your "ground crew" in case of trouble. You can't necessarily depend on the authorities for help.
Yeah sounds like boat tiped, one drowned the other without gear died of exposure.
@@novac1990 Did they ever find a boat? Or anything they'd be using a boat to do
@@novac1990 Boat tipped..... But they managed to grab their rifles. So, the only thing that doesn't float was what they managed to grab while the boat instantly flipping. That's amazing ! So, they're safe in the cabin because that's where they found the rifles. So, they're going back out but leave their rifles in the cabin AND locked the cabin. Then go their separate ways, unarmed in the vast wilderness. Long long time friends and very experienced outdoorsman leave their guns in the cabin, and separate and one ends up supposedly dying of hypothermia ( most commonly stated cause of death, when you can't find a cause of death) and did he drown ? Did anyone besides the pathologist see his lungs supposedly filled with water ?
Breaking the rules that are tried and true since the cavemen that are designed to keep you alive in the wilderness, these 2 highly experienced hunters just decided that the rules don't apply to them, I don't think so. If you had graduated 8th grade, that would be suspicious to you. Not the RCMP. So psychically the RCMP knew no crime had occurred, even though they hadn't yet found their remains. The whole thing sounds extremely fishy and the families have every right to be pissed. Terrible job by the RCMP.
@@noneyabusiness4006
Pretty simple. Took a trip on the river, boat tipped, one drowned, the other without gear walked until exposure took him.
The evidence supports drowning. How do most drown in rivers? By being in them. How do most people interact with them? Using boats.
You could like many others formulate conspiracies with little to no evidence that span from infighting, being attacked by unknown creatures, to running into killers.
Tell me your theory.
@@novac1990 Where did you hear that they had a boat? I'm pretty sure they flew in, so where did the boat come from?
Got several impressions when this story was being told. Putting myself in the victims shoes, the only reason I can think of why I would build small fires around the cabin perimeter, would be an attempt to keep a threat away. I one man with burns was either pushed or fell into a fire. I feel like both men ran from a hostile encounter of some kind and hid. They were outside a locked cabin when they evacuated, then encountered an unexpected threat again. ( If you don't have your hands on a firearm when facing an adversary, you probably don't have time to unlock a cabin door and lunge for a weapon.) That scenario makes the most sense to me. As for the RCMP investigation, it makes me wonder if there is a conclusion that isn't being made public. There are always clues in a case that are never released. I suspect the responders know more.
What kind of threat? Look into the history of that place. It's called the headless valley for a reason. The authorities don't look into the cases like they should I should say.. Something weird is going on on there. Whether it's people, paranormal or bigfoot idk but it's something scary.
Pushed or fell into the fire.
Very good theory of what might have happened.
@@manuelluna_81 But why did they lock the cabin, making it difficult to get back inside quickly? Something is not adding up no matter what scenario is invisioned.
@@reesedaniel5835 That’s definitely very strange. Possibly someone else other than the two men locked the door afterwards or they were attacked and separated in a desperate attempt forced out maybe through a window or another exit.
Bullet holes in the cabin and a hole in the floor? One victim had burns and both left the cabin without their firearms? Sounds like there were other persons involved. I smell a cover up.
A big one.
Good job doing the story. Mr Ballen has the stories of what happened to people back in the 1930s. Also back then, a woman actually went camping with some men. The next morning she was gone. Another man camping further down the river, saw the woman that night running like an animal on hands and feet. He said she didn’t look right at all.
The call of the wild
Not sure how close the cabin was to the river, but it's possible both men fell in the river (fishing?), and one was able to climb out a few km from the cabin. He would have obviously been freezing and possibly disoriented or lost, but tried to start a fire. This could explain the burns on his hands and arms. A hypothermic person does not always feel their skin burning. He died trying to find his way back to the cabin, while the other man did not make it out of the river and drown, being carried further downstream. This still leaves unanswered questions though, specifically leaving the guns behind. Do we know if they owned smaller firearms, maybe a 44 magnum, that would have been easier to carry than a rifle if they were just going fishing? Were the bullet holes in the cabin old? Are we sure they were bullet holes (pictures)? Just trying to sort through things, its certainly sad that this happened.
The audio was great. Very interesting story. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the feedback🙏🙏I'm happy to hear it's better🙃 thank you for watching!
I agree with the previous comment. The fact that neither man had his rifle with him is a huge red flag. Experienced woodsmen NEVER venture out without being armed.
I am questioning the statement of being experienced. Sounds like a bear attack or cabin fever fight. Not to mention not bringing your gun is not surprising, you do not have to carry every time you leave your house ffs. Sounds like a city slicker comment. Everyone usually travels WITHOUT ONE city girl. What you think everyone has a rifle slung over his/her shoulder? Feed your city squirrels and stay outta the forest.
@@FondelMikeRotch
What a bizarre comment. I go armed to some extent everywhere I go. So does everyone I know. Does that make me a bad person or something?
@@roywall5231 Just confirmed how stupid and gun crazy you Americans are. Cant defend yerself obviously, and need your gun to back up your useless lives and big mouths.
And I live among and am very experienced woodsmen, and we never carry weapons until hunting season.
Get back to reality you hicks.
@@FondelMikeRotch
You seem unstable, but you raise a great point. Theres lots of crazy and stupid people out there, and I dont intend my family or myself to be unarmed, unprepared victims to them.
@@roywall5231 yes I imagine with your little girly arms and gey muscles you would need all the help you need. May I suggest you let the woman in yer family take care of things, because obviously you couldn’t. Trollup.
Love how you retell their stories. Plus putting more information out there to hope the right person sees it.
Definitely sounds like an attack from the sasquatch on the cabin & they were lurking/ hiding near the cabin the next day waiting & when the guys came out & saw how BIG they were they knew their guns wouldn't do anything 2 hurt them so they took off running. I heard stories of mountain giants carrying clubs & weapons in the Nahani Valley also.
In my humble opinion i would say there are persons living in the area that dont like company. When a person is really in touch with an area such as this it would be relatively easy to be invisible to outsiders ,hunters or not.
There are no people who live in this area
Could be evil spirits
There are many cases that are strange, paranormal/supernatural in Africa as well. Since many of us were children we have been told in different tribes places to absolutely never go!
Obviously the cabin isn’t new and it has had visitors in the past. Wonder if they had issues similar to these two guys - obviously not killed as these two
Just found your channel and I'm on a binge watch marathon.......it's great to hear about these less popular cases.....so many of the mystery/true crime channels recycle the same stories but your content is new to me.....you have excellent content
The audio was great!!! I wonder if it was possible if one man went into the water and the other man tried to rescue him? The distance in between the remains could be explained by the river carrying the one man downstream. After getting wet and back on land hypothermia could easily take place when wearing wet clothing and no means to get dry.
Thank you for sharing this case!!! These poor families have suffered too long!!! Stay safe!!!
These men were experienced hunters, they normally carry enough supplies to light a fire to dry off, and probably extra clothes as well, Too many loose ends.
Exactly what I thought
@@christinemeleg4535 experienced doesn't mean squat. They could have went for a 10 minute morning walk from the cabin and got in trouble you have no idea if they carried extra clothes or something to light a fire. My uncle is the most experienced outdoorsman I've ever known and he's also the craziest and at times least prepared. You didn't know these men you have no idea how they operated. They had a cabin, why would they be carrying extra clothes with them when they just go back to the cabin?
Not only would hypothermia set in quickly this is a glacier fed river. ICE COLD and in June. June way up North is not like June in the USA, this is the Northwest Territories, the ground could still be frozen in June
the problem started with the men leaving the cabin without firearms. Experienced outdoorsmen would bring a fire arm just to walk to the water which is steps away. Start there, who what made them leave defenseless
And the question remains: why were there bullet holes in the side and floor of the cabin?
I'll tell you right now most experienced outdoorsman aren't gonna a carry a firearm to get water which is steps away, not here in Canada.
@@misguidedangel6550 If something like what was described happened the night before, firearms should have NEVER been more than an arms length away
The fact that they both went out without any weapons is very odd, especially given the area they were in. Strange
What sticks out to me is the fact that when they left the cabin neither of them took their rirearms. If they were victims of a human, it seems very likely that the firearms would have been taken by the perpetrator. So odd that it seems like the cause must be something whose existence most of us have long doubted.
I know !.. I thought that too how could they leave their guns ! The crazy part is this is kind of case happens quite a bit now ! There’s a few stories now on here where Hunters are found a way from cabin and no guns . And died strangely!
If they were scared you think the first thing is grab gun !
Perps could leave the guns...they obviously have enough and also don't want to be caught with victims gear
Sounds like the other story of scientists in a remote cabin that were attacked by sasquatch
Sharon Anderson Yes, l saw that documentary about the friends staying at that remote cabin when something or someone starts throwing big stones at the cabin. I have for years been sceptical about the existence of big foot but there are just way too many people telling their stories of encounters. It wouldn’t surprise me if these men were dealing with an aggressive Sasquatch. This would explain the damage to the exterior of the cabin, and the fires the men lit around the cabin ( possibly in an attempt to discourage anything from approaching). One man commented that he knew a lot about the case. He said that whatever was stalking them got up on the roof and pulled out the chimney!! The men in the cabin had to put out a fire. This is why the one man’s hands and arms were burned. He also said that the men had fired their guns at the food, sides and floor of the cabin. People think that someone was shooting at them. No, it was the men shooting from inside the cabin to try and scare off the stalker. Fires around the cabin wouldn’t scare off a person but it might scare off a Bigfoot. They probably decided to make a run for it when things got quiet. They were quite possibly chased and either ran in different directions or got accidentally separated. They may have tried to hide. This was very isolated territory. They’d be without food or shelter and if the nights got cold, it would be hard to survive for more than a few days. We may never know the truth but l personally don’t think it was a person stalking them.
@@wendycrawford1792 Still, it makes zero sense why they would leave their weapons.
@@ablueyedsissy59 they didn't use all the ammo
Frankly, I think it was sasquatch. I know a lot of people think that is bizarre, but there have been other cases of groups of them attacking people. One being in a place named ape canyon in northwest U.S. It involved a very similar situation of a party of prospectors in a cabin who said they held off an all night attack by sasquatches. They at least survived.
Nope wasn't a Sasquatch this was just accidental
@@misguidedangel6550 Yes, it was a tribe of hairy people......
You are an accident.
@@istra70 That's not nice, or necessary. You are the type of person that irks the audience into cheers, when you're meeting your demise. Unnecessary!
@@katrinalee2148 Unnecessary ??? What kind of retarded person can say : " it was an accident". - you can psychoanalyze them ....
I say honestly what I feel - if people get hurt - it's not my problem.
Tony Beets should dig gold there and get 9000 once and Schnabell also with girlfrend and all crew .
That area is a VERY well known location for super natural occurrences. The "Headless Valley" is in the Nahanni vicinity. You can be assured the Canadian Mounted Police are aware of this fact.
Ah c'mon Bryan, there's no mystery here. I have been on trips like this with my BFF. Two guys take the canoe out to catch some fish for dinner, and the boat tips. The lake is so cold, hypothermia will kill you before you can swim to shore, but even if you make it, you can be so disoriented as to not make rational survival decisions, maybe even burn your arms trying to start start a fire, while your drowned buddy slowly floats 20 km downstream. Think that's far-fetched? Well it just happened to a Navy SEAL and his brother in Yellowstone. Sorry to roach your buzz.
How can you get burned while trying to make a fire but not succeeding at making said fire? If successful, you don't die by hypothermia.
@@goe54 Study up a little on the effects of severe hypothermia. In both men, the cause of death was probably hypothermia, but the manner of death was most likely cardiac arrest (caused by hypothermia). There is no mystery here, look up the recent case in Yellowstone Lake.
exactly. much more likely than sasquatch or a cabin-owner-serial killer.
Feel bad, these men walked into a nightmare.... Something about the cabin and maybe its owner. Some fight or trap. Police cover up, maybe to avoid bad press for the area.
Edit...Another thought. Seeing the wilderness is so vast. Could it be possible for an aboriginal people to live (unnoticed) on and protect their sacred grounds and hunting. It could explain why (over the years) so many outsiders meet a similar fate. Also whoever pulled the chimney out of the roof seemingly had human intelligence...knowing it would start a fire.
I hadn't heard about the chimney being pulled out. That would definitely explain the burns on the mans hands and forearms.
@@finaloption... Hi.... I got that info from a comment from, " Maine Mermaid". Check it out....very frightening.
@@littlejack6123 Whoa! Just read it. Thanks!
@@finaloption... there is no record anywhere of any chimney being pulled out of the roof. People like to make things up to make stories sound more mysterious that some gigantic monster came and attacked them at night pulled the chimney right off the roof... it didn't happen
Sources, please.
The families should start a Go Fund Me, hire an private investigator, an attorney, get a court order to exhumed the bodies & hire a independent coroner & have a 2nd autopsy done.
Truthfully what could be found in this vast area by one person? Any further search would have to be in late Spring by an extremely well educated search party If there is a cover up, isn't it a long time to find anything new? But still there are too many gaps, especially by the RCMP, if these men normally left the cabin they would have been very well equipped, they weren't. Way too many loose ends.
Private investigator? Why would they need a court order to exhume the bodies? Would be the familes decision if they weren't cremated
Seems to me the RMCP are likely hiding something!
My heart goes out to the families!❤
Thank you for sharing 🕊
Unbelievable! and very sad too:( Very well told, thank you!
They were hunted .
The cops know , or they're
in on it .. iv seen that before.
Could be the dude that owns the
cabin , but someone hunted them .
Why would you say that? They weren't shot, nothing says they were hunted? Why would the dude who owns the cabin call the police and report them missing If he was hunting them?
This is the first I've heard of such a recent case in Nahanni. I thought people stopped going there back in the 1930s because of all the disappearances and strange deaths. The police obviously know whats going on and seem to be protecting its secrets, whatever they may be.
Exactly.
Could it be big foot
@@carlaphillips3379 Dogman
Of course they know
.👍
If you have the highest knowledge on both the earth's shape and the hidden history of the Tartarian empire then you would know why this wilderness is mostly off limits. Both of these men figured out that this was a high military underground complex center where both Tartarian giants (Niplim), and North American military's work together. 10 to one they figured out where there was a lot of gold. Problem was it was off limits due to what else was in the area. Sounds like to me, that both men were paid a visit by military people dressed as hunters. Once they knew the two men had figured out to much, the guns came out.Battle broke out one was killed the other one shot but not dead was then tortured (burned) until they knew he didn't tell anybody else anything--then he was put on a chopper and both dropped at different places. This is what you can figure out when you know the true shape of the earth and who and where they control it from. !0 to one there are hundreds of stories just like this one in the same area over a couple of hundred years. It a no go zone.
These 2 men were being attacked by an aggressive Sasquatch clan. That's why they got chased in different directions.
This case is similar to Ape Canyon story.
They may have eaten wild mushrooms and picked the wrong types. Two men on a very bad psychedelic trip could wander off into the wilderness, burn themselves and drown and end up like that. It might even explain the bullet holes in the cabin, paranoia is a common side effect of mushroom hallucinations. Although you would think toxicology would have picked up on it during the autopsies.
Maybe however, it doesn't explain the tearing the side of the cabin and roof.
@@nicolegillespie4704 It could explain that as well. Bizarre behavior of all types could be caused by mushroom poisoning.
No idea what happened to these guys.
My take away is that you aren't safe at home, school, out in public, at church, in the woods, no safe place.
Keep your head on a swivel and expect and be prepared for the worst.
At ALL times.
Nice way to not live your life.Sad for you
Seems like a high strung, anxiety ridden existence to me. May I attempt to weigh in on the opposite end of the spectrum? Every moment at every place that you are not in immediate danger - might be defined as safe. I know that that might change at any moment, but living in a constant state of fear isn't going to stop it. Nothing wrong with being prepared, tho. Actually, being prepared is what u gotta do to balance it all out, so life isn't overwhelmed with anticipation. Fear on one end - knowledge & preparation on the other.
Some people will laugh at this, but my first thoughts were the guys encountered a couple Sasquatch ( Bigfoot ) and were harassed by them and chased off from them. Hence the bullet holes in the cabin, and the hole in the floor. There has been too many reports of this happening in the past. Then I assume the Sasquatch hunted them down and killed them.
When you mentioned Grand Prairie Alta, the Alta is abbreviation for Alberta ( a province of Canada ). And Grand Prairie has a special unit team for the R.C.M.P
That's why it's called the headless valley!! Old story from the 1800 of two gold prospectors, they were found at there camp with there heads ripped off.
It's not funny. I agree with you. It's called the headless valley. Hunters or gold prospectors go in and most don't come out. Very strange. Maybe it's paranormal. Maybe bigfoot or dogman. Idk it's something.
Edit to be honest, I wanna go hiking there and stay a few nights to see what's going on one day.
My first thoughts were Bigfoot too
Sasquatch nation
@@icantthinkofaname15 I would be willing to do the same actually. I live in an area of B.C Canada where there have been enough sightings and I even had my own where I seen something, and I know for sure it wasn't a grizzly bear. Also I have herd what is called the " Samurai chatter " along with other common noises that go with it
Canada should have a larger military and it can be used for search and rescue. Young people should be given more incentives to join and learn useful skills. And reduce unemployment
One man drowned, the other found dead in the bush with burns to his arms. Sound like they went fishing in a canoe, explaining why they didn't take their guns (the river protects them from wild animal attacks. They could paddle faster than a bear could swim.) The canoe over turned in rapids, one got to shore, the other didn't. The one on shore tried drying out by a fire, tripped and got burnt in a severe hypothermic state, snoffing his fire. He then attempted to take a more direct route through the bush back to the cabin, but hypothermia over took him. Cabins in the woods are sometimes abused/shot at by other idiot hunters with rifles - esp. when they find them locked. Finding a cabin locked results in camping outside/campfires in the clearing of the cabin. Is this even a mystery?
You know what the other name for the nahanni valley is? The headless valley. Very strange things have happened to people in that place for a very long time. Look into it. Makes this case even more bizarre.
Edit: in the prospector days some creepy things happened to people.
Some person or persons used them as hunting practice.
Hunting practice? They weren't shot, nothing at all says that
@@misguidedangel6550 if they were scared off without their guns than the person doesn't really need to worry about them coming back.
Love these videos! Glad I found your channel.
Not the first time i heard cabins were shot from the inside out! Any survivors reported entities not from this world terrorized hunters at night and freaked them out! Those who ran for their lives fled in a hurry. Do the research....
Well they did not die on there own.and the way they were found is strange. They were not running from a animal because a animal would have started to eat them or bit them somewhere pretty good.it was a demon or a human.
Bryan, the audio is much better than it has been. These two cases sound a lot like some of the Missing 411 cases, many times if someone is found they are found in the water. The other man with the burns, is a little bizarre. It wound be interesting to read the medical examiners report, to see how long the men had been dead, in relation to when they were reported missing. John
YES. The Audio had been so bad I was going to unsubscribe. Thanks Bryan!
65bugnut. I highly recommend that you scroll through the comments because there is one chap who knows a lot about this case. Some of your questions might be answered. For one thing, something was trying to get in to the cabin while the men were in there. Terrified, they fired their guns out the sides, roof and floor of the cabin. At one point, the ‘intruder’ got up on the food and pulled the chimney right out!!! The men had to put out the fire that was going on the cabin. That’s how the one man ended up with burns. It was believed they got away but were scared off and either ran in different directions or got accidentally separated! Very frightening case. With no guns or gear, lost in unforgiving terrain, they no doubt died of exposure.
@@wendycrawford1792 that person made all this stuff up. There was no creature in the roof pulling the chimney apart.
The story about the man laying down in the road just gave me goosebumps and a flashback . I had moved to Southwest Florida in 1982 .My Sister had been visiting from Hawaii . I was frustrated that she didn't book her return flight from Sarasota's much smaller Airport . So I was taking my Sister to the Airport in Miami , where she had booked her flight . I had heard horrible stories , of how people would throw a hubcap at your windshield and then if you loose control would come rob you . They also had huge signs on "Alligator alley" saying . You must have a full tank of gas before entering Alligator alley . Do not get out of your car . Alligators , Florida Panther , Python ,and Poisonous snakes .
The cabin was was about 100 miles northeast of the infamous Nahanni valley and early reports said the men were there to repair the cabin. I would like to see the toxicology reports from the autopsies.
Family to RCMP: We think you screwed the pooch on this investigation.
RMCP: Well we investigated ourselves and we done good. Case closed.
Family: But....
RMCP: We said CASE CLOSED! Now quit looking into it please.
They do sound like our FBI
Yes. The FBI now works for the radical left and the Democrats. They only go after people who defend themselves.
What a shame lazy bastards they are to not investigate properly , I’m Canadian and earring this upset me big time …!
@@LaGamyne the RCMP did investigate and the men died of misadventure, one drowned and the other had hypothermia probably from falling in the river as well. The river water is glacier water, as cold as you could imagine, you could die within minutes in this river especially in June, this is way up North.
Absolutely very bizarre and because of all the anomalies I agree with you, in as much as you can't rule out that something nefarious occured. As such I'm also surprised that the investigation appears to have not been carried out appropriately. My thoughts are with their families and I am sorry to hear that they are not being listened to, I hope they get what they need and the authorities start listening to them. Thank you for this story, as always a great portrayal and narrated with so much respect. Best wishes from a new UK subscriber.
Seems like the most nefarious thing that happened is the investigators covering up what REALLY happened.
Two hunters go to a cabin owned by a third person. They bring a months worth of supplies and guns. The cabin owner says go get some twigs for firewood. They go and he locks them out. He now has a many months worth of food and guns for free. They freeze to death. He goes to look for the bodies and only finds one, he throws him in the river. Desperate men living in the wilds do desperate things.
I don’t understand people continuing to venture into areas with bad, evil, mysterious, dangerous, etc., reputations. They have reputations for a reason, whether that reason is understood or not. When you blow off the warnings, whether direct or implied, you are doing so at YOUR OWN RISK and pushing the boundaries. It’s the same in extreme sports, extreme locations, extreme stunts......sooner or later the boundaries push back.
RIP to the two men and peace & comfort to their families.
It’s so sad the family found all the evidence. It’s like the authorities didn’t care to want to find out what happened to these guys. Makes me so mad they didn’t care. Prayers for the families🙏🏻Thank you Bryan I always look forward to your videos😊The audio sounds great also😊
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Yeah, the RCMP don't like to investigate things in that area. They don't really want other people doing it either.
The remote location of the area makes it hard for the authorities or a private party to locate missing persons. May they Rest In Peace.
Any mention of foot print evidence around the area of the cabin in the RCMP report?
If the guns of the 2 hunters were found and collected~ bullets in the cabin walls, floor, and roof (as per Ms Mermaid) could be dug out and forensically matched/mismatched against the gun barrels collected?
And did the RCMP take any photos of their investigation?
Only AFTER an investigation can "no foul play" be declared and concluded; why, therefore, was this conclusion by the RCMP made without first courdoning off the area in question?
The flow of the Nahanni river is very fast. I read a canoeing magazine article about a two week long trip the author had taken. He stated that they had paddled upstream for twelve days, turned the canoe around, and made it back to their put in spot in two days. If somebody went into that river it is surprising that they were that close to one another.
RCMP, we are watching what you do!
Im Canadian and mad about them , what a bunch of lazy bastards !
Wow this is definitely a crazy case! What in the heck happened to these poor men?!?!
Corruption from the top they found nothing wrong with the way the investigation was handled yet the family had to go out and find the victims absolutely disgusting
I'm in the UK & have no knowledge/experience of US or Canadian National Parks or wilderness. Having watched many of these videos, I have to ask - is it possible that serial killers live/operate in these areas?
I would say that it is very possible that serial killers operate in some parks however I think that this particular area is far too remote and rarely visited to attract a killer.
@@jessepitt Thank-you. I had to ask as some of these cases seem to have no other plausible explanation, ie those with no trace left, no signs of animal attack etc.
It’s definitely a possibility in most of the parks in the lower 48 states. They have a lot of visitors to prey on and plenty of hiding spots.
They don't want people to realize that reality unfortunately, check out Israel Keyes 💕🧚🏿♀️💕
Not for a very active serial killer. But for one that wanted to hide out . . . . yes. These area's are soooo remote (Canada and Alaska).
I say this with the utmost respect, I’m just glad they both still had their heads
can I ask why?
@@ErwinHistory because the nahanni valley is also called the headless valley. They have found many people who went missing without their heads. Do some research about it. Absolutely crazy, creepy and fascinating.
@@icantthinkofaname15 thanks. I had no idea about that. crazy!
There are things in the deep woods that cannot be.explained. This is a perfect example. This stuff happens more than people are willing to admit or even investigate beyond covering the bases. Lets not blame the investigators to much. What families may think of as neglect the authorities in these cases know it is hard to explain. If the two men had a disagreement and foul play ensued it would have hard to realize that but this is freaking bizarre and not all that uncommon.
I found your channel by accident and was instantly hooked. Good job man new sub here
They may have run into a squatter using the cabin and chased away. Should have checked for finger prints inside cabin.
No squatters in this part of the world
Sounds to me the RCMP glossed over the investigation and now hiding behind the coroner's report. They were awful quick to declare this was not foul play. Unfortunately, the family will never get the questions answered. They will always wonder what happened to their loved ones.
The chimney was plucked up (that would take ENOURMOUS STRENGTH) and there were bullet holes everywhere, yet they claim "no foul play".....Sounds like the "logic" of the Biden administration.
"how can you not find this to be odd?"
two guys go out to hostile actual wilderness in the complete middle of nowhere and die. it's not weird.
I don’t know if this is the same case or not but I remember reading something similar up in Canada. I thought they were brothers that went into a remote area to go fishing at some lake and never came back. They found their canoe and campsite but I don’t recall if they ever found either body. Lots of strange disappearances. Try reading one of the Missing 411 books of missing people in national parks.
Even my Canadian friends didn't know about this park, it isn't well known in Canada and it's very mysterious and not totally explored even until now !!!!