Missing 411 | National Park Disappearances
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- Missing 411 is a profile of mysterious commonalities among seemingly unconnected missing persons cases in national parks and forests. It's been estimated that there are over 1,600 mysterious national park disappearances, and that number is increasing.
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David Paulides, who formulated the profile, has catalogued and researched many of these cases, recording them in his book series Missing 411 and subsequent documentaries. Paulides has suggested that the National Park Service failed victims' families by not developing an adequate system to catalog and track cases.
Paulides has appeared on Coast to Coast AM and Art Bell's Midnight in the Desert to discuss his findings nationally.
Missing 411 cases have strange profile points, such as victims often missing one or both shoes. Another profile point outlined by Paulides is that bodies are regularly found in areas that have already been thoroughly combed by Search and Rescue teams. The Missing 411 profile has evolved and changed over the course of 9 books. There is no firmly established profile, so we have selected points from multiple eras.
These profile points will be examined within three cases: James McGrogan, Bart Schleyer, and Mike Petersen.
While David Paulides does not speculate on the cause of commonalities between Missing 411 cases, there are theories from skeptics and believers alike. They range from skewed data sampling to extraterrestrials and bigfoot.
#missing411 #unsolvedmysteries
0:00 - Introduction
0:56 - Missing 411 Origin
4:49 - Missing 411 Profile
7:39 - Case 1: James McGrogan
11:10 - Case 2: Bart Schleyer
16:31 - Case 3: Mike Petersen
19:16 - Possible Theories
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I am a backcountry wilderness photographer. I have spent more time alone deep in the mountains than most would ever believe. I have backpacked thousands of miles in the California wilderness/mountains while completely alone. Spent hundreds of nights alone in the mountains. Never had one incident that weirded me out or gave me the creeps, and I've even camped near old remote plane crash sites where people definitely died. I have since moved to the PNW, and after a few years of doing my thing up here, I must say - I have been creeped out *many times* in certain parts of the wilderness/mountains up here. Definitely the distinct and present feeling of being watched/not alone. Chills & that animal instinct that tell you to leave a place. I'm not one to believe in supernatural things, but the feelings I have gotten in some areas of the Washington/Oregon wilderness are unlike anything I've ever experienced. Still don't know what to make of it.
You need a dog with you. A big dog.
Couldnât agree more. I donât have your level of experience but I have enough experience to feel comfortable and prepare well for hiking/camping in the wilderness. I grew up in a fairly rural area of upstate New York and logged more weekends than I can count, through Boy Scouts, camping in the Adirondacks. Since then my fiancĂ© and I have visited a decent amount of National Parks on the east coast (Acadia and Shenandoah most recently). I also lived out in Arizona for a couple years and completed a few weekend treks out in the desert. Last year we spent a week out in WA and visited Mt. Rainier, Olympic, and North Cascades. I canât say anything horrific happened but the feel up there is totally different. I enjoyed the scenery but I had one eye over our shoulders the entire time. The feeling of unease was unlike anywhere else. Iâve also been unsure what to make of it and for awhile I thought maybe it was just that I was unfamiliar with the environment. However, both before and since then Iâve ventured out in places Iâd never been before and never felt what I did there. Iâd still recommend people visit, especially Rainier and Cascades, but Iâd stress caution and preparation. It was also great to hear your story as itâs both comforting and concerning to hear it wasnât just in my head lol
Thank you for sharing your experience, personally Iâve never had a paranormal experience but I love hearing about them!
Spirits & elementals like bigfootđ
Paulides himself insists that a person such as yourself, with your particular nomadic habits, absolutely MUST get a personal locator beacon to carry with you while you're alone so far from civilization. He says this is one of the primary tools that would either prevent, deter, or at least illuminate the details around these strange missing persons profiles. He explains that there are locators that don't require any subscriptions, and those are the ones to go for. He's hypothesized that the act itself of preparing against these disappearances occurring in a conscious manner seems to be a possible deterrent against them, as though whatever it may be is more reluctant to leave any trace of it's activity.
'bears do not slay, they simply begin to eat you whether alive or not". Discovered a new phobia today.
Only polar bears
@@HosdelgatoI donât think so. Grizzlies just hold you down and munch out
Depends on the bear, and what season it is.
Canids and big lizards, like the komodo dragon, will start to eat before you're dead though
Hyenas, coyotes and wolves are much the same.
I remember September 26th 2019, my husband and I were going on the Appalachian trail in Shenandoah park. Now this trail was open to the public and we definitely aren't the type to go off trail since we knew people get lost for days or go missing, but it seemed as through the trail wasn't used for a while. We hiked for about 1/8 of a mile, and all of a sudden I heard something and felt like someone or something was watching us and waiting. We've notice our dog was getting nervous and suddenly, he wanted to turn around. Our dog never does that! We immediately thought we should too. I swear our dog saved us because we felt there was something waiting for us around the corner. Very chilling đš when we turned around, we were watching our backs and were prepared to fight since we felt like we were being followed.
I remember this day since the next day my husband proposed to me!! I'm so grateful we made it out a live and we're now married with a bright future â€ïž
Moral of the story: Listen to your instinct and furry companion. It might just save your life đ
My brother and I were backcountry camping in the Shenandoah's in the middle to late '70's. We were way off the beaten track out in the middle of the woods. Early in the morning, there was some large creature breaking huge branches as it approached our camp site. We could tell it was large by the large crack the sounds made. And later, after comparing notes, we determined that it was bipedal. As it approached just outside my tent, we heard some grunting and snorting. My brother (in his tent) had heard the noises and responded to my worried voice ('James, do you hear that?!") and thankfully said "We have guns and we will shoot you!". Just then, whatever it was backed up and slowly walked away. We don't know what it was, but we will never forget it. Earlier as we were setting up camp, I noticed that the woods were dreadfully quiet, not a single sound from locusts, birds, anything. I had this weird feeling too that we were being watched the entire time. I had never conveyed that feeling to my brother at the time, because I thought I was being unnecessarily fearful. As we compared notes later, we thought it was strange that whatever it was decided to back up and leave our encampment, after, hearing my brothers threat to shoot. Either that was a coincidence, or it understood our intent, or even understood some English. We will never know. Our story is on Dixie Cryptid (program entitled Bigfoot Home Invasion Marathon_52 dated 11-21-19) and on The Facts How to Hunt. Its great that you listened to your instincts that day. I still feel lucky that we made it out of there alive.
So so scary....I'll never look at the countryside the same again....I'll always have an over my shoulder feeling if I ever go for walks alone again....which I used to do all the time....
Could have been an animal he sensed.
@@Necromonger69 from what he described it wasn't an animal...but a. Apex predator... something.ore akin to human/humanoid intelligence... perhaps it's spiritual... perhaps it's time Traveller AI from the distant future...if I had a tent and something sharp I'd pier e the tent if my nerves/confidence held out I'd try and Pier my tent to get a peek... trouble is I'd be petrified in case they had hype. Sensitive awareness/remote tracking etc and could tell they were being watched who by and where their located....in which case you'd be screwed.... perhaps that's why no one's ever really truly been able to see these things....and divulge to others what they saw...they never get that chance....plus ppl who've witnessed these things have been too petrified to dare take a pic or anything ....and perhaps that's just as well...
Their are strange beings in those parks itâs out the ordinary
If you ever get lost in a National Park, STAY PUT. Do not wander from the last point you were seen.
Was you in the girls scouts
Nice to know ! But how long is it safe to wait ? Till a bear or something else smells you ?
Every situation is different. Only stay put if safe to do so
What if there was a bear
@@julioericvazquez335 Or til a bear đ» smells đ» beer on u.
A lot of these people that actually were found were with out clothes, even in snow and harsh weather. I just wanted to note people in the final stages of hypothermia engage in "paradoxical undressing" because, as they lose rationality and their nerves are damaged, they feel incredibly, irrationally hot. They strip off their clothes to cool themselves down as they are freezing to death.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes, paradoxical undressing is such a strange phenomena, and it's discussed around 19:45 in the video.
What about the ones who undress when the weather is fair or mild?
@@joshuawilt4918 Touché, lol
@@joshuawilt4918 nudists lol
Baby Tara: The Schleyer case doesn't fit that profile. The weather was temperate and he was well prepared. Something took him, and evidently broke open his skull without making a bloody mess. Bears can't do that. No animal can.
Its crazy how media doesnt talk about this or human trafficing even tho these are very serious issues going in right now in the present . but for some reason we talk about the past misdeeds.
Wouldn't be surprised if human traffickers were hunting ppl in the forests either.
All the media talks about is the tedious back and forth between politicians
The media talks about missing people and human trafficking all the time.
Not enough â@alexjameskeefer
Itâs shocking to me that thereâs no database yet for people who go missing in woods and national parks. Way too many strange cases.
I think there might be a data base already?
I'm sure there is, they just won't share it.
Secrets don't get stored in databases the public has access to!
Pretty sure there is a database. It's just kept a secret
â@@lindseyswank2594exactly lol
Iâve been so captivated by these stories since a young man went missing in the woods outside my town in the summer of 2020. Iâve never heard a case more bizarre and frustrating but his story hasnât really gotten outside of Oregon. If you wanna get angry about something, look up Michael Bryson. His family is still looking for him and it seriously needs more coverage
I just read an article about him. He was at this rave party at a campground. Perhaps he did drugs, then who knows what happened
@@TheSuburbansky1 Just because someone "did drugs" it doesn't mean they deserve any less care or attention.
The fact that they just sat around instead of taking advantage of the time is disgusting. Police always say the first 24 hours are the most important in a case
counter - skeptic points...
- Hypothermia may cause some people to take their shoes and clothes off...BUT IT CANNOT give anyone the ability to traverse extended distances barefoot...period
- Criminals are bound by gravity, just like natural predators...which means they will leave molecular evidence of their approach and egress that is differentiatable from the victim, detectable as scent by search dogs. THERE WILL BE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF EARTH CONTACT. ie tracks...upon approach., upon contact between predator and prey, and upon the predators departure, now also bearing the weight of prey.....
Something picked McGrogan up and set him down after examining him...has all the points of abduction.
I was way out in the middle of the woods in Oregon one day target shooting when a man ran in front of me as I'm actively shooting yelling at me that he owned the land i was shooting on. He was dirty with long hair and looked pretty rough. I was so shocked to see anyone i just told him i would leave even though i was certain i was on national forest land. I drove all around there to see if there was anything else out there like a house. All i could find was more woods. I learned that day you are not always as alone in an isolated place as you may think.
Remember just because you may be "well prepared", and "experienced" does NOT mean that something is not extremely dangerous, or a smart idea.
I didn't know there are tons of unresolved missing cases in US national park. It makes my favourite movie, The Descent, seems real rather than just a made-up movie.
Now you know. Be very alert and careful
There is no proof of underground monsters bro lol
Just human monsters
Itâs not just America. Iâm from Britain đŹđ§ and we have just as a bad an issue. Manchester has a HORRIFIC pattern of young people disappearing and ending up dead in the canals. ITâS SO BAD OUR SECURITY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE HOW THEY DEAL WITH PEOPLE!
@@dannytonnessen6896 2 Timothy 3:12-13. "Wicked men and imposters will advance from bad to worse"
Soon. The Creator of the Universe will hold an accounting of all the wicked.
I think a lot of weird cases could just be chalked up to people getting lost, starting to get dehydrated and delirious, and then weird things happen. Dehydration and exhaustion can make people do things that are pretty insane.
Anybody with a brain knows itâs Sasquatchâs and Wendigoâs taking these people.
It takes a long time to get dehydrated to that point. Panic is more likely in a lot of cases but I think something with intelligence is using the trees to hunt some of them.
Could be, but dogs should be able to find a scent. Dave never says it's one or another. People claim he says it's a paranormal but he leaves it up to you. Some people have spent their whole lives in the area yet are never found, even with a gun. You would think they would fire shots in the air.
Not true. I have been so dehydrated I was in full blown kidney failure (3 days with no water and vomiting and crapping my brains out) and I didnât hallucinate or get delusional. I have also stayed up 10 days before to see how long I could go (with drugs). I kept my wits about me, the only thing that what happened is my body would jerk and move and I couldnât stay still.
@@diaryofarealmom3264 Crack Cocaine is a helluva drugâŠ.
Is this a strange coincidence, or is someone or something hunting humans in our national parks and woods?
Too many weirdos in USA
Hunted
National Parks are were the Elite Rich go hunting for sport đŻđ
If you want a nice vacation at Mt. Rainer there is a nice lodge with Alpine meadow and lake nearby! You can also stay at the Paradise Lodge and rent bikes, and go on a nice picnic in the sunshine, and ride around the area on bike and walking trails! If your young or feeling up to it, you can hike a very steep hill trail, that takes you up past the timber line to view bald eagles, and a panoramic view of all the Mt. tops all around! Good for a sunny day, in the summer if you are young and healthy! Not for small kids, pets, sick folks, seniors or weak legs etc! Its a hard and very, very steep trail for summer only! And I remember having to pull myself up by the roots of the trees sticking out along side the trail! I also got very light headed as the elevation is so high up there, not a lot of oxygen! Makes you very light headed and dizzy! Had to lay down and rest, but it was a beautiful view and sunny summer day, and we got to see several bald eagles up close and the panoramic view of all the Mountains all around! So pretty up there! There is no way, I could pull myself up that trail today! I could not do that hike today! No Way! Its only for the younger sporty set only!!! But well worth the view!
@Sandra Turajlich AYOOOOO
No matter how great you navigate the wilderness and how well you are supplied you should never go it alone. God bless.
Good advice. Always be prepared. Thanks for watching!
Hiking and hunting alone can be the most enjoyable and rewarding times that I have ever had. Let the chips fall where they may....I refuse to live my life scared.
what if you go arm ?a rifle and pistol ?
Hi. Your so right. The animals are stressed out by climate change and the narrowing and invasion of their environment by humans. Add to this the wicked men and woman who take pleasure in murdering or seriously harming their fellow man.
It definitely is not safe to go alone. Also, be sure the people you are with are trustworthy.
@@BUBBLESPOGO literally i want to go off grid so bad at some point in the far future but im worried iâll never feel capable enough to defend myself by myself 24/7
With the success of the "Missing 411" (copyrighted, all rights reserved) books, shows, documentaries, you'd think Paulides could afford that list by now.
He's a bloviating conman. đ
â@@radagastbrown9001 I agree 100%.
@@radagastbrown9001 How do you know? Whatâs his angle besides selling books/documentaries?
Best bet, if you get that strange feeling.... Like nervous or something is watching you, back out slowly! Don't ignore you senses! Period!
Can you do a video on the Missing Indigenous Women in USA more awareness needs to be brought to this
And the children
*north america
it's a huge problem in canada as well :(
How is there no data base for missing persons in National Parks? Crazy.
I think the official explanation is that the missing person cases are relegated to local jurisdictions, so there is no central repository.
Look for a another national park disappearance video in the next 3-4 weeks!
That just proves things are being kept from the public
There is a website that shows missing people from national forrests
David Paulides has run into tons of issues trying to get his hands on this info and it's very troubling to me that they will find any excuse to not oblige.
@@fbiagentfrank yeap the higher ups probably know what's up
Well in Yellowstone I got caught on a bridge in a random bison stampede, came across a black bear on a hike, and saw a grizzly and an entire pack of wolves in the same dayâŠlots of dangerous stuff can happen to you there.
@Ramen Lover sometimes it just happens, but my point really is that parks are dangerous which is why people go missing
Yeah bro at least 1 of those was a skin walker or a spiritual entity those random encounters are never random
@@WarrensWorld112
What a sensible and sound minded comment.
@@karenamyx2205 are you sarcastically saying im crazy ??
That's pretty much the typical experience while driving through Yellowstone lol
I've just gotten into the 411 Missing Phenomenon and I find it fascinating. A lot of people disappear and a sizable minority cannot be explained. Those individuals simply disappear without a trace. Making it even stranger, many of those who disappear are experienced individuals who are physically fit. Just very, very strange.
Dear Harriet Not so mysterious.... you just gotta understand the ways of the Thunderbird ?....
Have you heard of the âLittle DeOrrâ case? 2 year old little boy literally vanished, never to be seen again, not a single trace was ever found, and the circumstances regarding the initial vanishing are completely separated from anything logical that we as humans know of. As I studied the case, itâs as if the little guy stepped into a portal, thatâs literally the logic I was forced to consider.
@@thedeeareee785 or someone took him
@@thedeeareee785 ever heard of kidnappings?
Rumor has it the little boy was never at the campsite to begin with.
The feelings i get in the Washington and Oregon forrests is something else⊠Anyone who lives in the PNW knows that weird energy in the Forrests like somebody or something is watching you always.
We r wired to absolutely know when we r being watched or observed so if u think u r, u r. Also we r wired so that our brains and bodies know when there is danger present or danger coming before we actually consciously know about the danger or see it. TRUST UR INSTINCTS!!!
Talking straight facts for real. Trust your gut
I fully agree with this!
I don't agree... We're not just wired to be fuckin Spiderman or something if we were nothing bad would happen. You make it sound like you are wired to tell the future. This people were following there gut they were experienced woodsman (most if not all)
@@maxwineberg3956 I know exactly what this person is referring to. I know when something is off, about to happen or someone is watching. You just feel it. So like, if I feel danger present or like someone is watching, but I don't see anything- I'm OUT of there lol. And what I would say for most of these people is that instead of following their training, they start to panic or they think they know more about the outdoors than they do, and sometimes things just happen no matter how many precautions are taken.
Went solo camping one nightâŠwoke up with a feeling of sheer terror feeling like something was watching me in the darknessâŠsaw a bear a mile away when driving out the next day. Coincidence?
Damn dude I've been searching a while for a short but effective "intro" video into the Missing 411 phenomena for people who've never heard of it, to try to get them into it and become aware. I think I found it here. Not too long and has all of the fundamentals and parts needed to put that hook into someone's brain and encourage them to take the dive into this particular rabbit hole. And it beats trying to explain this whole phenomena in words to newbs time and time again. Good work! Keep it rolling.
Thanks! I had the same problem when looking for an introductory video to Missing 411. When I couldn't find it, I decided to make one.
I was just thinking the same thing!
Perfect ! You said it perfectly! Now i can send this video outđđœ
How do you not see this is bullshit. âPeople that went missing are on either side of the intellectual extremeâŠâ I would bet anything that is a damn lie and could not be substantiated.
@@pandoxvideos you do an amazing job đ
Always carry Compass and terrain map of where you are (and know your 8 or 10 digit grid!), Flint and fire sticks, Multitool, Knife, Flashlight with extra extra extra batteries, your woobie (obviously), and an entire roll of paracord and even a small handheld roll of wiretie. I personally have a Garmin Instinct with Satellite capabilities and can locate my exact 10 digit grid location making it easier to navigate back to a known location on a map easier.
Also don't go alone!
What I find to be very peculiar is that the National Park Service and the department of the interior does not have a centralized data base for these 411 cases. Now I've never been one for conspiracy theories, but if you consider that in this day and age the government and law enforcement agencies have data bases for just about everything, but not one for missing persons in National Parks. It almost seems like the Park Service and the Interior are trying keep these cases on the down low. So question is why? And are they trying to hide something?
They are afraid it will hurt tourism. "Follow the money." đ€
Human trafficking
You have no idea who run this world read the Bible Freemasons run this planet evil people children of Lucifer they are murders liars child predators kidnappers for child experiments and child sex slaves or child organs child trafficking is real also for adults
If the National Park Service goes through the trouble of developing a database of every missing person in their parks, then it would almost be an acknowledgment that something bad is going on in these park an and they are aware of it. They hey canât do that because itâs like an admission that they canât figure it out either which would indicate some type of serious problem in their parksâŠ..and itâs their duty to warn people. Also, it leaves the park service open to litigation if they admit thereâs a problem thatâs out of their control. They just blame it on the usual reasons; the person got lost and froze to death or they fell into a deep crevasse or they fell off a cliff, etcâŠ.. I know that there are people who go hiking who should not be hiking, especially alone with no firearm or anything to protect them. Stay on the marked trail folks and stay off the granite boulders. Thatâs a great way to get struck by lightening walking in that granite, especially at Yosemite.
Dwight Eisenhower made a deal with who ever it is that they could only hunt and do test on humans in our national parks .
I'm in Eastern Washington and was prepared to go on a hike and I couldn't shake this feeling that something was watching me!
I turned around and went to the lake and something threw stones into the water!. I left and went straight home!
Respect the Forest!!
I donât understand how you could live in Washington( The State With The Highest Amount Of Sasquatch Reports) and not know that thatâs the works of a Sasquatch, you gotta be trolling.
Bigfoot supposedly throw stones to scare people away from their territory
My dadâs been going to Sequoia,Yosemite, and Yellowstone almost yearly since the early 80âs. Every road trip he would bring a loaded firearm into the parks, and when I would ask why because this is a VERY illegal thing to do. He would always say âyou canât be too careful or too paranoid in national parks.â I havenât spoken to him in years but I wonder what he saw or knew. Because heâs so cocky and unafraid of everything, except national parks.
Serial killers lurk in the woods waiting on prey
Go talk to your dad!
@@rvidernvtion9898 lol
Always carry a firearm with you in these parks and pepper spray and the guy that left the comment go see your dad hes right you know my dad died six years ago and we wasnt speaking at the time and the 11th was his birthday lifes to short darling go see your dad .
Definitely talk to your dad youâll regret it one day. I wish I would have spoke to my dad more
I live on the Arkansas Oklahoma border where a lot of disappearances have occurred "see missing 411 map" and the woods here have a beautiful and terrifying quality about them. I don't adventure as much as I use to and I always take a dog, pistol , and cell phone.
Be careful out there, Brian!
Calm down, Brian. That's just the Clinton mafia. They have been disappearing people since the 80's.
My uncle was found dead face down in a plank position with his hands to his side his feet were sticking out of his truck and he was in the woods on a hunting trip. He died of suffocation with no noticeable foul play. Nobody in my family understands what happened.
Heart attack?
Seeing the comments debating supernatural stuff and serial killers made me think of a scenario for a story: A serial killer tracking people in a national forest soon finds themself being tracked by something supernatural
I like the premise. You should put something together!
That would be a great tv show
Could be what's really happening!!!
Truth is often stranger than fiction!!!!
And the serial killer becomes the protagonist
@@seansnowden6857 mini series sure but seems to be a better movie premise
Finding out all the disappearances in WA state, I have stopped going hiking,and have cautioned my family to do so as well!! Mt. Rainier has a huge cluster, and people are unaware of any if all of the disappearances they're hiking in! And that's BS! What's ridiculous is that when some families have offered to pay the expensives for searching.. they've still been told no. I'm sure there's several people who would volunteer their time to put together data bases for each park, and then they could all be added to one page and be updated by individual parks.
We should GoFundMe and either build the database ourselves OR if we made enough money we could petition the gov for tax $ for NPS to build the list, but I know I'd feel a lot better about it if the citizens had control of the list since the NPS has proven themselves untrustworthy at best.
Washington is sketchy af
@@Janellabelle People have to take back their power and stop relying on papa Gov to look after them so completely.
My ex boyfriend hit the summit on Mt. Rainer, and one of my girl friends also trained for 6 months and also hit the summit on Mt. Rainer! But be warned its not an easy hike, nor for beginners at all! The terrain is rocky, and many people fall and break their legs! I am a local WA hiker and camper, and the window for Mt. Rainer is JUL-AUG-SEP window in the SUMMER! The weather can change on you in a snap! And go from sunny to a full on storm easy! The terrain is thick, bushy and rocky, so its easy to slip and fall or twist your ankle or break your leg in a fall! Then your stuck! And search and rescue has to save your butt in a helicopter! So if you are planning to conquer Mt. Rainer and hit the summit? Prepare in advance, bring your gear with you, including first aid kit, layer your clothing, bring a tent, sleeping bag, knife, ropes, wear hiking boots and layer your clothing, don't go alone! Bring along several friends, and stay in the window of access to the summit! Otherwise you will be dealing with a lot of rain, snow and dangerous conditions, and may fall and break your legs or not come back! So always check in at the Rangers Station first, and get a map of the area you will be going to! And pack your gear! The ones who don't come back, get lost or injured don't bring anything with them, don't know where they are going, or the area, or the weather...no planning! Not even hiking boots or a pack, tent, or sleeping bag, or sweater?!! And worse they go it alone? Now that is crazy! Its like someone just wandering off in tennis shoes and windbreaker alone, to have a picnic on K2? WHAT? NO! Plan ahead, bring the proper gear with you, don't go alone, check in at the Rangers Station EVERY TIME! AND CHECK OUT WHEN YOU GET BACK! BE SMART AND WISE, IT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE AND YOUR LEGS YO! WA NATIVE BORN CAMPER AND HIKER! D : )
@@dauntemarieslettebak82 you single ?
Youâre criminally underrated. Thank you for the great content.
Thanks! I appreciate the kind words and support!
absolutely, I wonder what this channel will look like in a few months.
Not that I donât appreciate your telling of the stories . I do. I appreciate you sharing the information.
@@kelleyabitbol6156 pf m.
You realize Pandox didn't do any of their own research for this video? Everything is ripped off from Dave Paulides' books, video's, channel. Sure he gives Dave credit but if he's such a fan of Dave's then just put up a 2 minute video with a link directly to Dave's youtube channel? That way you can all actually watch the man himself and not some ripoff artist.
Things to know when traveling through the woods
1. Never travel alone- always take three or more people with you
2. Never wear red- most people that go missing in national Forest were wearing red (ever heard of little red Riding Hood)
3. Share your tent or keep all of your tents very close
4. Never go anywhere alone, always take someone with you and never split up even when relieving yourself.
5. If traveling with children never let them walk behind you, keep them in front of you at all times.
6. Keep your weapon close. Gun, knife, taser, pepperspray, etc. Whatever your weapon is make sure you can access it quickly and always be mindful of it. Never forget your weapon.
7. Stay away from random stairs, chairs,arches, house or out of place things and structures- Ignore them quickly get away from them.
8. Ignore the sounds of a crying baby, ignore the sounds of a crying baby.
9. Be wary and cautious of strangers.
10. Know some spiritual and religious knowledge, prayers, verses of power from the Quran or Bible.
11. Be vigilant and always stay calm.
@Jimmy John I am a Muslim
@Jimmy John there is a Muslim saying that you should tie your camel down first and then have faith in Allah that it won't get stolen. Not leave the camel solely on faith, besides faith without works is dead.
You forgot 1. Be smarter than others and stay out of the forest!
Can you explain number 8 please?
Also number 7 haha! Iâve heard finding stairs in the woods is dangerous (not because of if theyâre unsafe to use) but dangerous on different level. But Iâve never gotten a deeper explanation.
I was hiking in the Appalachian mountains, got lost, I was never found againâŠ. And now Iâm posting this in Ontario, Canada.
So happy to have found you!! I hope you do more of the Missing411, and if I may offer a suggestion? There are a LOT of people missing in national parks, but anyone who talks about talk about the same ones over and over and over ad nauseam!! Please pick cases that have NOT already been profiled. Keep up the great work!!
Thanks for watching, and thank you for the kind words, April!
Blue ridge Maryland I grew up went out a lot myself as a kid had two strange experiences.
@@ericb143 I'd like to hear them
â@@ericb143im from MD...please tell us
Iâm watching this in pure darkness on a rainy morning right after I accomplished something great. Thank you for the vibesđ
Congratulations on your accomplishment! Thanks for the kind words!
David Paulides gets a ton of hate, most of it from undercover National Park and government agents who are trying to shut him up⊠But Mr. Paulides is a true American hero
I think he gets dissed because he comes across as more in the business of making money off of his books, which include information available to many people willing to spend time to acquire it.
They never have their clothes on, they are always where they've already searched and they never try to get help even though they can. It's always just too similar in every case to ignore..
Never underestimate the forces of nature. When you do it's your demise.
Four gunshots means he felt threatened for his life.
I just think itâs just so easy to get turned around and lost and never get your way out. Our mind has a way of playing with us.
I have been in a familiar forest (San Bernardino CA) or familiar desert (Joshua Tree, Mojave), on well worn and marked paths when everything about the landscape seemed to turn unfamiliar. It is a disturbing trick of the mind that in some people may lead to panic.
You fossils ever heard of gps map? Garmin watches?
Confronting your own mortality sucks.
The answer is under the ground inside the mountain but the government is keeping it quiet.
Iâm on here because Iâve been hiking the Sierras ALONE and the cashier at the convenient store told me not to because people end up missing all the time in the national parks. So, here I am watching this. I wonât be hiking alone anymore, I guess.
What's happening is people live under the ground in these parks and have hidden doors and spider holes in the ground , literally popping out within a second knocking u out and pulling u under.
Take a few friends and don't be the last in line, young Soto!
No I guess . You should never hike alone, go with a group of friends or something maybe like 5 or 6
@@kimjong-un5562 I'll believe that before believing bigfoot that's for sure
Don't go alone. U gonna be missing
The problem with David Paulides is the fact he sells the paranormal theories and omits key details of actual cases to make the stories more mysterious. For instance the Thomas Messick case. I am from New York and after researching this case I found witnesses in the hunting party that stated to reporters that Thomas did not stay on watch and walked east. Additionally, members of the search party stated sections of the woods were not thoroughly searched as David suggested. He either didn't do enough research or clearly omitted information on purpose. I have no law enforcement background and I had no problem finding out more information than he did. People get lost in the woods, it is not UFOs, bigfoot, portholes to other dimensions, or insert your other favorite paranormal phenomenon.
Yes. The man's conduct has been suspect at best, demonstrably dishonest at worst, and he's clearly acting from a profit motive by trying to build a brand in "411." We have a real need for good, reality-based coverage of wilderness disappearances that isn't tied to Paulides. His crackpot streak and financial interest in the topic are major liabilities.
So they didn't bother to search for him? LOL That sounds like maybe someone wasn't happy they never found him. Even if he walked East where is he. You didn't present any actual evidence.
@@georgelahmon4539 You can use Google and look up the news articles and people that were actually there in the hunting party confirming this. All of the news articles are still online. It wasn't the paranormal nor was he taken. He is lost in the woods.
There is a case close to where I live involving a young man by the name of Christopher Thompkins , Iâve done some research on his case , nothing to deep because I donât have enough time. He case is incredibly strange . If his coworkers done anything to him , then they picked the most insane unbelievable alibi one could imagine
@@tonyhoward3076 That is a very weird case.
Iâm from the uk and have always dreamed of travelling to the US and visiting the national parks. They are so beautiful and nothing like we have here. Iâm hesitant now.
Iâll protect you đŠŸ
Stay on main path and with a group a lot you can see by car you will be fine. Dolt let your kids wonder or play games in forests. I go out in one every day.
My husband and I have been to 40 US NPs. They are amazing. Dont go alone, keep your wits about you, if something ferls strange leave, and stay on trails. You'll love them.
Don't be scared. Americans are fearless. Just travel with other people. I've went camping as a kid with my family many times. Stay in a group and stay near camping grounds. You will be fine.
this is amazing dude! iâve been looking everywhere for good vids on this topic and this one is perfect
Much appreciated! Thank you for watching and leaving a comment. I should have another missing person's video up by the end of the month, so check back in a few weeks!
Just so you know, most advocates for conservation are hunters. They need the environment to remain clean more than most people do to make their living.
This isnât true. Most hunters use âconservationâ as a cop out. Nature does not need humans to keep animal populations in tact.
@@LuvFearlessly without hunters the deer population would explode exponentially and would bring massive amounts of disease to the population. Same goes for hogs.
That's true.
Why does America have so many hunters?
Is it too much trouble to go to a supermarket for your food?
And, if someone hunts for fun, then that is deplorable
There's absolutely no excuse to kill animals for fun
Itâs like the national forests are the edges of the video game matrix. You go to far, you disappear off the map
I'll be right back... I have to look up Glimmer Men...
This is where I first heard about the Glimmer Men: czcams.com/video/6XKpGXtxaYk/video.html
@@pandoxvideos My hero. Thanks for the link
You have very good videos, but you should turn down the background music a little sometimes its louder than what youre saying
i know iâm late to this but WOW this was exactly the intro to the Missing 411 phenomena that i was looking for. keep up the good work :)
Native Americans, tell of forest spirits, and the Skinwalkers.
Yes, Skinwalkers are very interesting. George Knapp has an excellent book on the topic: The Hunt for Skinwalker Ranch.
Wendigos of native American legend sound like something possible too.
Native Americans did a lot of drugs
Every guest to every national park should be fitted with a tracking device of some kind.
Youâre supposed to bring your own GPS tracking device when going on wildnerness trips, especially when alone
It's like there's some sort of glitch going on in the fabric of our own reality that's so complicated we will never understand it. Maybe there is some set of bizarre circumstances needed for this to happen hence the similarities in the disappearances.
This channel is gonna be huge in no time. Elite content, excellent narration and beautiful footage. I've been looking for something like this throughout the whole pandemic, time to binge watch!
Thank you very much for the kind words. I should have another video up by the end of the month, so be sure to check back!
Have you ever watched Dave Paulides channel? This is based on his work.
Check out MrBallen on here. He does missing 411 cases and other strange, dark and mysterious in story format. You won't be disappointed.
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awesome video!! nice narration with great audio, nice background music, and great information!!
Thanks for your kind words and support!
Let me begin by saying it's not us
Now i dont wanna sound crazy but i found it quite strange the similaritiedls between how they go missing and how Tyranid Lictors from Warhammer 40k hunt....i mean look up one....errie.
I think a lot these cases are people getting a tad overconfident and then nature taking its toll, once while hiking I had taken a wrong turn and went on for about 5 miles, by the time I realized it was dark and I had to traverse 10 miles in the night. I was lucky but many are not and thus, missing 411.
Your channel is the đŁ you do great work. I really enjoy your content. Thank you so much! Keep it up đŻ you deserve way more subs. Hope you get them! Much love. âŁïž
I think the most frightening part was how it was discovered that The National Park Service would routinely under report disappearances to keep park attendance up. That's a MAJOR failure to protect the lives of their patrons and seems counterintuitive in the end at best.
YES
The government wants you dead why I'm the world would they care to warn you??
it's an acceptable risk.. 99% of the people go to forests, have fun and nothing happens.. why would you ruin it all for that 1%
How do you only have 670 subs? This sort of video warrants at least a million to be honest, to the tune of NEXPO or Barely Sociable only better, my fave vids of theirs is missin gpersons ones
That's high praise. Those are two of my favorite creators on CZcams. Thanks for very much for your kind words.
I'm editing together another Missing Persons video, and I'm hoping to release before end of the month. Check back soon!
I like your synopsis and comparing 2015 vs 2021 Missing 411. Nice to see that you've also slowed your vocal delivery. Much more digestable content now. Good stuff, thanks
I honestly didn't know anything about 411 until watching this vid! Much Informing! Love the use of editing and B-roll footage! *cheff's kiss* beautiful!
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Please watch David Paulides channel. This is based on his work.
2 documentaries on amazon
I really enjoyed this video. Great work and thank for your information and video.
Thanks for watching, and thanks for your kind words!
I was off smoking in the woods by myself right before the sun went down on a vacation with my family. I looked up and it was dark i had lost track of time. I looked up because I felt like I was being watched. I ran so fast and swear I felt like someone was there.
David Paulides originally named it 411 because he identified 411 cases that fit his criteria. That was around the time his first two books came out - I heard him interviewed by George Knapp and it was bone chilling.
It makes sense that he would keep the â411â for the reason you mentioned - it definitely grabs your attention.
Thank you for your work!
Thanks for watching!
Really great video, loved the Skeptic Theories section!
Hard to dial for help when you are under the control of something else.
Case 2: "Bones were found near by."
What about the flesh? Was it completely decomposed or stripped off? Was his entire body found or just his head?
I have been following Missing 411 for a number of years now I know a lot of cases but when you put the criteria on the screen of the types of people that go missing you're staring right at testing criteria you want to test something you get your best and the worst cases now it makes you wonder who's doing the testing. There's a lot we don't understand. This was a very good video on the subject thank you
Thanks for watching JB.
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I haven't checked your channel out yet and I'm hoping that you have more Missing411 Videos.Once again thank you
Dude your editing is đ„đ„đ„ Is there some type of database for unsolved/mysterious cases?
There's still no central database for NPS disappearances. However, there is an unofficial database for disappearances called The Charley Project: charleyproject.org/
Just saying, would love to see Pants do some murder mystery style unsolved case videos
I've given my theory on invisible, fast, human sized slendermen before, I've since heard a couple similar stories under video titles such as "true creepy forest stories" or "missing 411"
Wendigos is what I think. I know to most that sounds childish and stupid but just because we haven't seen a creature like this doesn't mean they don't exist and something beyond our understanding is happening in the state parks and forests of the US. Something terrifying and nebulous.
These cases are not only subject to the US- these happen all over the world- all similar aspects and criteria.
You contend that âparadoxical undressing is a common phenomenon,â I wonder, on what evidence do you base that claim? I have seen no evidence that âparadoxical undressing is commonâ- look at all the frozen hikers on the side of Mt. Everest. Their last acts before freezing were to bundle up in their big coats as best they could, none of them started stripping down, despite being so cold they actually end up passed away because of it.
well done, mate! beautifully written script. that intro hit me hard. appreciate your sober thoughts on the matter
Thanks for your kind words and encouragement!
An Irish guy is missing today in Grand Teton National Park. Please search "CiĂ n McLaughlin" on Google if you or anybody you know lives close by. Thanks.
This has been happening since Denis Martin and still there isnât any improvement in how to prevent this.I believe this needs more media attention so people can be aware of whatâs going on in their National parks. NPâs are beautiful and theyâre everyoneâs playground. The people have a right to know.
I grew up in Alaska Happens often. Paulides brought it to light Iâm 67. Donât hunt anymore but have always carry a 44 Mag for fishing. Never had to fire a shot
@@hugejackedman7423 definitely. Bring some weapons and pepper spray just in case. Always stay together
Grandpa always told us about the 'wampus cat' and the 'yellow, crooked sounded noise' that came.from the woods after dark.
One word... aliens
I have seen some theories that included alien abduction as a possible cause
The bart schleyer story is so mysterious. No answer makes near enough sense. I mean if i had to guess id have to say another human murdered him...but who? How? Why? Idk. Due to how wild and perplexing this case is my 2nd guess for the cause of barts death would honestly be...Bigfoot, cryptid, or some other paranormal phenomenon. And 78% of me doesnt even think bigfoot exists!
Definitely glad you're covering this. I, personally, don't think this is talked about enough and I remember when I first heard about this I was freaked out. Still am. Good videos đđœ
Great video dude very interesting stuff!
Thanks for the kind words!
I live in the Appalachian Mountains, and thereâs a park near where I live that has about a 2 mile long trail that surrounds a small island and is connected by a bridge going over a river. Bears and deer live on the little island, so seeing animals up there isnât unusual, and plenty of fisherman are up there catfishing at night. A few of my friends wanted to go walk the trail at night (we live in a small town, not a lot to do in the evening) so we all got ready and went up there. As we were approaching the âentranceâ where the trees start to get thick, I got overwhelmed with this deep primal fear that we absolutely should not finish crossing the rest of the bridge. My fear mustâve been reciprocated or at the very least, convincing enough, for them to agree to turn around. I still donât know what was in the trees but there definitely was something there.
Where is that small island?
I love your national parks mysteries!!
Great channel thanks for the series!
Thanks for the kind words!
The parks r protected for a reason our government will not disclose leaving thousands of innocent ppl at risk. What the heck r they protecting tho...
Our parks are protected because they are the most beautiful places in America. Go to Yosemite and tell me you don't believe it shouldn't be protected
Their underground rings , sick disturbing things that we civilians would not think about them having . I rather believe this than the bigfoot theory
@@algorithmicsurfer7226 you call getting lost at night and ending up at an impossible location months or weeks later beautiful ? You gotta wake up man . That place easily made to use for secret government stuff
@@jamesmilesassassin4179go to Yosemite. The city is far more dangerous. Rape, mugger, drugs and thieves. The most dangerous thing on planet is human.
@@algorithmicsurfer7226 hmm ... Thanks for the tip đ
Keep in mind David's list is probably bigger than what he's actually publushed. He's most likely publishing the cases he thinks will get the biggest reaction from the public.
I'm not saying he's doing it for attention, just that if the main goal is to raise awareness of the problem, then it makes sense to compile the most intriguing and compelling cases in your list.
As much as I want to condemn those who go into the wilderness alone I cannot differentiate myself from them. I've ventured into the deep wilderness alone countless times and came home safely.
Stay safe!
I love few things more in life than wandering out in the middle of nowhere alone for an entire day or more. It's the only thing that keeps me sane sometimes.
case #1 (McGrogin). He got lost. -lost sense of direction. He was able to go that far (the wrong way) because he was an athlete. He took off clothes because hypothermia victims feel hot. Clothing removal is a known behavior. Also, hypothermia affects the brain, and people do "crazy" things. He fell off the cliff, breaking his hip and skull which killed him. But he was near death before that. He was found miles away, so that is a huge, snow-covered area to search. It's not surprising that he wasn't found alive, and that it took that amount of time to find the body. This is tragic. It's not mysterious, and there is no need to speculate about foul play, aliens, or supernatural. He got lost. Occam's razor.
This was extremely well done.
Sarah, thanks for the kind words, and thanks for watching.
Very well made video man !
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for watching!
Note so self: only go into the National Parks when inexperienced and ill-prepared. The others apparently go missing. đź
Do more videos on this, Iâve been listening to Dave pollitus for a while now. This topic never gets old
A couple of issues you brought up that Iâve researched and found alternate results. Dogs can smell people even after precipitation and sometimes it can last for a long while. I agree that some of the points can probably be explained in certain circumstances, yet when you compare his case studies and these particular points of interest to how normal search and rescue missions work and end up you begin to recognize how bizarre these missing 411 cases stand out. I believe itâs somewhere around 95% of missing people are found within 48 hours or up to a week if theyâre found dead.
Edit: itâs not really a paradox for a hunter to be a conservationist. Many of the most active conservationists are hunters. They may eat meat, but they also understand whatâs needed to ensure a healthy environment.
You do a great job.
How about the 5% who are never found? Some of them disappear literally within feet of other people, as if they were beamed out.
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Backrooms?
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@@kristieparker7101 Portals to where, young Kristie? Portals to where?
@@DIVISIONINCISION from hell sounds like
Ahhh more missing 411. Now that I've finished binging mr ballen.
Your voice is perfect.
The music is chill.
Pictures not distracting.
Time to sub.
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for watching! Look for another missing person video tomorrow afternoon!
@@pandoxvideos yes this video is really good and I hear some of Co.ags music - is it all his? Be good if you have time to list your source, music can really enhance a story. Great channel!
@@celestenova777 some of the tracks are CO.AG! Check the pastebin in the description for research and asset sources!
@@pandoxvideos oh thank you! ..can't wait for your next vidđ@
Same here!
The most probable theory is that there are loan killers who camp in the national parks who hunt people to see what murder feels like. These killers are not trying to get caught, come from different social classes, and are now roaming around modern society like nothing happened.
One story I read about on Reddit was about a Park Ranger in Mt. Rainer NP who claimed to have stumbled upon a possible booby trap or cache in the woods. In the ground there was apparently some light coming out with an opening that was a slightly ajar. The Ranger found out it wasnât a trap and peaked inside. What he found was several Polaroid pictures of random hikers from decades before. The pictures were taken in several areas of the park. Very creepy.
Great work. đ