Is the First Chinese Train in Europe Bad ? CRRC Sirius review for Regiojet
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CRRC and their ill-fated trainset Sirius experienced a tumultuous start in Europe. However, one trainset is now ready for passenger service with Regiojet. How does this train compare to Siemens, Stadler, and Alstom? There are plenty of good ideas, but let's find out!
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Date: February 2024
Railway company: Regiojet
Route : Ústí nad Labem to Kolín
Time : 2h04
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00:00 : Intro
00:58 : Trip information
01:40 : Usti Nad Labem station
02:06 : CRRC Sirius history
06:09 : Regiojet App
06:35 : Boarding
07:08 : Seat check
08:52 : Departure
09:21 : Turning around
10:14 : Mid roll ads
10:46 : Poor soundproofing
11:02 : Walkthrough and other seat check
14:19 : Toilets Time
14:46 : Tests
15:03 : Bad ?
15:37 : Live App
15:43 : Bang on time, to the second
16:00 : Thoughts
16:27 : Outro
Here in Chile EFE (State's Railway Company) bought several CRRC trains for suburban and Intercity lines, and they have proven to be quite reliable and comfortable... a suburban unit hit a large truck a few weeks ago and it endured the crash quite better than most of us thought
CRRC is a hit or miss. Sometimes they actually make good trains for foreign markets, other times not.
@@edisonz2006So essentially like any Company? Cause i couldnt think of a single one that has a clean record
in case of truck vs train, train always wins, it doesn't matter what train it is 😀
@@edisonz2006Where is your experience in that, did you ride the trains or you just heard from it ?
*@edisonz2006* There are AT LEAST 100s of thousands (if not millions) of trains, bullet trains, metro trains in China 🇨🇳.
And as far as I know, NONE of them have this problem.
In fact, you can easily try the famous coin stand up experiment on ANY of their high speed trains (and they have many 10s of thousands of those trains).
And I assume they are all made by the same company.
I highly recommend you go and try it yourself.
Half of the fun watching CZcams video is reading the comments. It is specially interesting when the video involves China. The extreme detailed critiques must be very helpful for these Chinese companies to improve their products that no other country gets.
That’s true. Those comments are so much focusing on the room for improvement for anything “Made in China”. That’s why the quality of Chinese products is getting improved so fast. 😂
Some people just hate 😂
what a great observation.😂😊
Anyone criticizing Chinese train shall force to ride NYC subway for 24 hours.
They are good at identifying the shortcomings of Chinese products, but turn a blind eye to the poor quality of their own country's products. Why? Because they have become accustomed to the poor quality of their own country's products
Isn't the configuration/legroom /finishing touches etc dictated by the operator and not the manufacturer? It's that way for airplanes.
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Yes I believe you are correct, usually they have a full-size mock-up for the customer to visit, experience and to request changes etc. and that includes color selection.
Remember that regio were not the intended customer though, this layout was probably chosen by Leo.
@@shivamanand3686 It's google earth
@@CarstenHazz thanks Carsten, but I have used that app but it works nearly same as google maps atleast in 3d object option . May be in pc but in phone it shows only 2d image.
I rode HSR trains in Shanghai. Soundproofing and seating wasn't a problem. I was able to sleep on my way to my destination. Seems the operator cheaped out on options for this trainset.
I agree with you. CRRC will build a train to tailor to each nation needs.
Just old European infrastructure,
you pay what you got, not the manufacturer, it's the buyer.
@@sinjatlai8123 Old Czechia Soviet infrastructure from 50 years ago, and they didn't bother to change it since entering EU. Most of noise coming from old rails since welding of joints is old-school 1950's make.
Interesting! Having travelled a lot on Chinese high-speed rail services the layout of this trainset looks strikingly similar to that which I've seen on HSR services between Shanghai, Chongqing and Chengdu. The interior layout of the trainsets are however, much more streamlined, very quiet, and I'm pretty certain the toilet doors DO NOT rattle. Oh, and the Chinese HSR would cover the 135km distance in about 20 - 25 minutes. 😄🙃
Well, are you really trying to compare Shanghai (29 000 000 people) with Ústí nad Labem (92 000 people)? HSR express service with Interregio service with many stops? Or High-speed train (for 700 people) and Regional train (for 200 people)? Czechia does not have a pure HSR yet but considering the population, the rail services are good. One can travel Prague-Ostrava (350 km) in 3 hours on express trains.
It is made to the customers spec and price tag.
@@jsc3417: I could not agree with you more. The soundproofing issue is NOT manufactural issue but it is what customer specification issue. China is able to make a quieter trains like what it does for all of its domestic high-speed trains. It is up to the customer how much it wants to pay and what conform level and model of the train it wants and for certain price tag. Chinese manufacture cannot be blamed for the soundproofing issue. Ask your government to pick a better soundproofing model. By the way, this is just the inner-city commuter train and not high-speed train. In comparison with other trains made by different manufactures for similar type of train, this train is so much better in many ways.
@@peterwilliams7335 I think the tracks have to do a lot with how noisy the train is, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think those tracks are pretty old.
@@_seola_ You are 100% correct. I am not sure if the trains are operating on newer tracks that are using for the high-speed trains operating in China.
Europe or anybody can buy any train from anybody. Until the Americans jump in and tell them that they can’t do that. This is when politics is above common sense.
Germany must surely realise their horrible trusting of US to the detriment of their country? Crazy! Germany had a real good set up with Russia. If Germany stood up against Russian invasion, why didn’t they speak up against their NATO provocation? As a US diplomat once said.. it is fatal to be a friend of US.
2out of 3 businesses of Germany are in trouble.
No, in reality the EU are not free to choose whatever they want from China a they are simply vassal countries dominated by the US empire.
Así es, a la Argentina les hicieron comprar unos aviones f16 daneses viejos, porque los argentinos pensaban comprar aviones caza rusos o chinos, ahora poseen unos aviones f16 que tienen el boton de encendido en Londres😅😅😂.🇦🇷😅
Uh. You do know that the EU and the US are business rivals in a lot of fields - think Airbus vs Boeing for example, or the German Leopard tanks vs the Abrams, or French vs Californian wine. So - no, no one is "telling" anybody what to do. That's just either some backwater hillbilly believing in US superiority, or some (more or less hidden) propaganda by autocratic states (pick your own choice here), who want to paint the world black and white, as if it was dominated by the US, against which only the autocratic states must struggle. A pluralistiv view, where everyone has their own agency would obviously hinder this black and white view.
@@manledeChinese Fighter Jet like JF-17 isn’t good tho, less capable and Argentina invaded the Falklands so yeah.. less options
Since I have tried many trains around the globe, I think the noise of a train is mostly caused by the rough or crooked railway. I still remember I almost threw up when commuted between Switzerland and Germany with inter-state train because the crooked and sloping railway. I also tried Chinese high speed railway many times: although I did not try the famous”erect a coin” experiment, I quite enjoyed the quietness and stability when the train kept a steady speed of 350km/h.
I can absolutely say that the railway tracks on that particular line are NOT in bad condition, while on holiday in Czech republic I travelled that line some years ago in a train made up of traditional coaching stock like what Regio Jet uses and that trip was smooth.
The door rattling definitively is caused by something in the running gear not being properly constructed or adjusted.
@@Tom-Lahaye I'm very surprised to hear this because there are literally 100s of thousands (if not millions) of trains, bullet trains, metro trains in China.
And as far as I know, NONE of them have this problem.
In fact, you can easily try the famous coin stand up experiment on any of their high speed trains (and they have many 10s of thousands of those trains).
And I assume they are all made by the same company.
Yes the quality of the railroad plays a major role in the smoothness of the ride but first, this railway line is not in a particularly bad shape - the sleepers are older here but the line is maintained for the heaviest possible cargo trains. Secondly, old ČD trains on slow local trains ride smoothly here and so do the Regiojet regional express trains that are hauled by a locomotive. Absolutely smooth ride even with 40+ years old coaches. This CRRC Sirius unit also rides relatively smoothly but the noise is unbearable. When you travel with regular Regiojet coaches, the only thing you hear is the A/C. On Sirius, you feel like in a spaceship because the traction motors are soo loud. It is really bad even on the completely new and smooth railroad at VUZ Velim test centre.
I am from Tunisia, I regularly use trains in China for business trips. Some trips are as long as 7 to 9 hours when i travel from south to north. (traveling at 350km/h). Very comfortable and reliable.
14:53 „CRRC crew working to monitor proper functioning“ - love it! 😂😴
And he's sleeping lol, explains the crappy quality
LOL
There is apparently a thing in China about napping after lunch at work, perhaps that's what's happening here :)
Working himself to exhaustion!
@@klootzak347 You get crappy stuff when you pay crappy price. Go and take a ride on Fixing 400.
CRRC is seems to be a world leading technology when it comes to Train system.
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Sorry, I would take France's SNCF and Germany's DB anytime...
have you at least try the CRRC? the french one its nice but not as comfy... sorry i traveled many times from UK to France and also inside China they are def not better. Like it or not the chinese have more speed train then therest of the world combined! that should tell you where the best trains are.@@alexp3752
'seems to be' based on what ? not based on this train, for sure.
@@alexp3752 I disagree, if not the chinese, i would take the japanese or singaporean. I have travalled mostly through east asia and europe. The Asian train system wins over anyday
I love the train ! WOW very impressive business class, best i have ever seen !
The soundproofing issue doesn't really surprise me: I've used a couple other trains made by CRRC and it seems like it's a persistent problem. I would say that they make perfectly serviceable rolling stock but they're still a bit behind on the finishing touches.
Great video as usual, Thibault!
trains must be sturdy and long lasting but this looks doesn't built to last
They're not. They have a history of breakdowns
Have you travelled in the CRRC high speed trains in China?
I guess you're Argentinian? I thought the trains that SOFSE bought were comfortable
Like their cars, it’ll take some iterations for the Chinese trains to get it right, especially for more luxurious train types which China generally does not yet produce for regional domestic markets. Chinese markets primarily rely on high speed rail, or older basic trains.
They’ll figure it out soon enough, though.
1990s: Chinese started export products with very low quality
2000s: some Made in China products have improved, and still keep low prices
2010s: most Chinese products are improved greatly, while keep prices reasonable
2020s: most Chinese made products meet international standards, some are very good especially EV,and electronics.
2030s: all Chinese made products are excellent, with reasonable prices…but anti-China people are still whining no matter what..blah blah
People can't criticize without acknowledging the fact China is superior in manufacturing and infrastructure
when government hides 100s of train accidents u shouldn't trust any train exported from that country
@@nothing56644 deraliment machines
So ridiculous opinion, because Chinese electronics companies often show their technical defections even they’ve been announcing their technology is currently in perfect condition
@@llllilliliiili技术缺陷这是一个非常严重的指控，同时也要面对各种法律挑战，尤其对于客户而言，所以，当你职责他们产品有技术缺陷时必须拿出法律保护的证据！兄弟，现在该你提出这些证据了，我相信，美国客户尤其美国政府非常愿意采纳这些的证据！
I think CRRC is building the next series of Chicago CTA subway cars at the old Pullman plant on the South side of Chicago. American workers, strict American construction supervision but Chinese engineering. So far, so good.
Chinese engineering? Heaven help us! - Former EVP/Technics, Asia based airline.
@@alexp3752 u mean boeing?
@@alexp3752 - the world had the same reaction when the Japanese and the Koreans started building better quality product.
@@alexp3752Have you even seen Chinese high speed trains ? China has the world most advanced rail network and fastest trains ! Americans are lucky if they get anything Chinese. Although cheaper varieties are exported to Europe etc as those Rail companies save money
@@theancientsancients1769 Serbia bought CHineese HS train sets for 200 km/h as the same sum of money as it did bought 3 Stadler KISS Double Decker 2 years ago !
The next country for CRRC's trains will be Austria - the private operator Westbahn ordered CRRC units (the first one has been seen in Leipzig, Germany these days...)
not true they are just renting four units for trials.
I can't believe Germany is now using Chinese trains... of course with their politicians shooting the country in the back, it was expected.
Yesterday one of five came to Serbia
If you ever find yourself in Madrid you should try the C-9 commuter line. It is a meter-gauge railway that goes up in the mountains of the Sierra de Guadarrama with trains from the 70s! It is a short ride, so it is perfect if you are in Madrid a short time!
It's the first time I hear that 1 metre gauge rail used outside Southeast Asia.
@@keatkhamjornmeekanon7616 There are still some lines left in Europe with 1 meter...
A few trains have a variable gauge system and can adapt to different spacing, When I was a kid I took the Talgo, a train between Spain and France, Switzerland, that was using both gauges. In Switzerland you have a few trains with both 1 and 1.435 m.
@@keatkhamjornmeekanon7616 we have a few in spain: Galicia, Asturias and León have meter gauge used as commuter lines for rural/less populated areas
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When I watch your video, it reminds me of a classic Czech movie called "The Good Soldier Schweik" based on Jaioslav Hasek's book, which I watched it multiple times in black and white when I was a kid. Great video, dude, thanks for showing us Regiojet new train.
Great video, very informative and relaxing! and good job on the editing, in the past the bell sound and train noises used to be quite loud. I'm happy that's it not longer the case :)
I actually love how this train sounds.
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didn't get your mean. dont understand what are you talking, can you explain?
Great video !!
I just realised the standard class seats on these are the same seats as Flixtrain uses. Afaik many of the design components in these trains are actually from Czech and polish suppliers.
They're actually not the same seats.
These are "heavily inspired" and made in China. They are actually about 10 cm shorter, so if you're over 185 cm, you'll be hitting your shoulders on the seat wings. At least that's what happened to me when I tried this train a few days ago.
this train just made by China follow the requirement of Czech customer. in China, there is no need to have this design.
Once they get it right, you can be prepared to see them everywhere. Almost all the trains in Singapore introduced since 2010 are made in China, even with the big European brand names stuck on them.
that business-class- seating looks realy great tbh, also the "standing seats" are a cool concept (though not in inter-regio or eurocity-lines, but i guess in rural areas with travel-times less than 15min that's a great thing to do)
as a former frequent user of the S-Bahn Zürich, i can assure you: Alstom, Stadler and Siemsns do make the same noise. Guess it's all about how much soundproofing was orderd. only one reason for me using my car now (next to poor service, overboarding prices and less reliability (you were on time to miss the connecting train in the last few years, a journey of 40min took you 1,5 hours, 30min by car. and the parkinglots became cheaper compared to the train-tickets. sry, got to be on time sometimes, dear SBB)
Now it makes sense why the Waratahs here in Sydney are so loud, but I find that more of a positive since I like hearing the traction motors
The HCMT units here in Melbourne are also pretty good, but the bias towards standing room is a big drawback. A journey from the City to Pakenham (almost the same distance as Central to Richmond) standing most of the way would truly suck.
Not really comparable. Only 4 of the 8 cars on a Waratah have traction motors, they're Hitachi, not CRRC, and the windows are soundproofed.
The Waratahs are not as loud as that CRRC train. The noise on that Czech train is very noticeable.
@@ktipuss it's cause the Czech operator cheaped out. None of the CRRC trains anywhere in Asia has that issue 🙂
@@crypticTV Where I'm from (Singapore) the rolling stock made by CRRC & its predecessors also mostly* sound quieter but it could also be because of different propulsion systems used e.g. C151A-C might be using a newer version of the Fuji Electric propulsion also used on the older C751B, & they sound similar but higher-pitched & quieter. Meanwhile the even newer R151s use Bomberdier propulsion instead that's even quieter, & sound similar to London's Elizabeth Line/CrossRail's Class 345 actually
*T251 (with propulsion from Mitsubishi) are an exception, with a ringing noise that persists even when not going around bends on the tracks, but it went away after 2 years, apparently after the tracks were re-grinded to make them smoother
Nice business accommodations. Sleek train. Thanks Thibault👌💚
we also have trains from China here in Tunisia, not bad for the price. Dont forget price matters.
The CRRC guy at 14:53 is working hard.. At sleeping over the table. 🤣🤣
he's got his ears pressed hard against the table, checking the soundproofing....
@@SlosII Or checking if he can make the air compressor even louder 😝😂
This is so Chinese.. love it
He is testing if he can sleep with the sound in the car....jokes aside, I worked with mainland chinese before in the 1990 till 2000's and if they work overseas they really work and live on their worksite cause they don't have family where they work! I did the same working on holidays and weekends and on new year and christmas when I was working in Singapore but took time off too. Don't know about the current younger generation.....
@@irregular_force2602This comment is so racist…..love it 😅
The finishing/soundproofing needs to be fixed, but otherwise a decent unit.
CRRC made the HCMT EMUs to serve the new Metro Tunnel in Melbourne, Australia and its associated lines to Sunbury, Cranbourne and Pakenham East.
Whilst the seats on those units are comfortable enough for a suburban train, the ratio of standing to seating is a massive problem. Pakenham East to the city is 60km and takes 80 minutes, Cranbourne 45 km taking an hour, and Sunbury 38km taking about 45 minutes.
All three are extremely busy lines, and the prospect of standing for up to an hour is unappealing to say the least, especially given the generally poor condition of Melbourne's tracks.
Or the customer doesn’t want it fixed so the trains will be cheaper to buy and maintain.
The seating configuration is usually defined by the end-customer, the Melbourne rail transit authority, i assume.. Take it up with them, not CRRC.
Singapore is also removing seats with its newer rolling stock & euphemistically says that it's making more space on the trains e.g. for more prams & wheelchairs, to be more inclusive. Some angled panels have been added on the trains' interior walls too for standing passengers to lean on & are also euphemistically called "perch seats"
Very nice video keep it up
That is very different but I do think it is cool to get such a different design as this one, the only thing my mind keeps telling me is that there are so many more passangers that could be in that car, so they are losing out on a lot of money. But if there are complaints on the line as a whole maybe a train like that is the answer.
Soundproofing has got to be one of the main, and most prevasive problems in CRRC units. For example the Metro do Porto new tramstyle units are very noisy, for trams they are rather squeak when under braking, specially from outside
No, it's an Asian characteristic. The trains are moderately soundproofed because this makes the train heavier and makes it more expensive and more complicated to repair (wiring, all that...).
Trains in Japan are noisy, very noisy, except the Shinkansen
@@Lodai974 and now I understand why European trains are more expensive.
@@ianhomerpura8937 This is one of the reasons
the cost of labor in China has a lot to do with it.
Because I know that trains in Japan, despite the simpler side, are very expensive to buy.
Perhaps the customer was given the option for soundproofing at a cost but they decided against it to save money. In the end the manufacturer gets the blame for making something that the customer wants at the right price.
@@gan247 yeah, you are right, different standard with different price.
12:30 back before COVID I regularly stand on a bus to Manila for at least two hours. A one-hour trip on that thing would be a godsend tbh.
Nice work
this is really nice layout. Good for travelling on business, allows work to be done whilst travelling
I seem to recall Westbahn also bought from CRRC, and even saw one (in a video) in Westbahn colors doing testing.
Leanback seating may not be that uncomfertable but it should have some padding on the back of the next lean seats. You'd think they would lean back at a greater angle.
Nice video ❤
5:16 - love the cable car in the background!
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Not first Chinese trains in operation in Europe - Macedonian Railways have been operating BOTH Chinese-built EMU (Class 411) and DMU (Class 711) trains since 2015-16 (You mention only DMU in video). And while they have been improvement over previous MŽ rolling stock (40-year old DMU units made in Yugoslavia/Croatia on Spanish MACOSA licence) there have been issues with them over time.
Well he is a well-known lier, his tripreports are very trashy.
I think he meant in the EU
@@altavelmcnamarano he isnt, and his reviews are pretty good
He did mention Macedonia had Chinese trains…
Macedonian public transportation is a really really peculiar mess. Their capital city is also littered with cheap Chinese bootleg London Routemaster buses that looks... just weird. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutong_City_Master
Still wondering what is the whole purpose of frontal hood when the engine is literally at the back of the bus.
Wonderful ❤❤
Nice job❤❤❤
A few days ago there was a review of this train by another reviewer and I asked him whether the train is as noisy as it seems and he would reply that his microphone was exaggerating a bit. After this review I'm convinced that it actually IS noisy. Of course, airline style business seats are something to imitate (certainly not on regional service), but I think that in Norway they already did introduce something similar for the night trains, including lie-flat position of the seats. Those non-seats are of course a joke. They only take space of normal seats (a few less, but anyway). I noticed that you didn't review the "family" bench-like seats as yet another "class" on this train (probably because they were all busy). I hope these trains won't last long and I'm a bit worried about Westbahn and Austrian railways in general (like plans to ryanair the Railjet service - or to wizzair it, if you prefer a more central European verb).
"I hope these trains won't last long" 🤡
In Austria the Klimaticket (yearly subscription for all public transportation including high speed) has been a huge success.
But it's also giving ÖBB and Westbahn a huge advantage over any other competitors who won't be able to offer "free" traveling to Klimaticket owners.
Ask yourself, is the noise retardation feature in the specifications or not? All trains are not the same, even if they are the same model, some are luxurious with all the bells and whistles, and some have just the basics, IT IS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR.
Seems like a fine train, missing some touches to make it great though. They also made strangest decissions ordering the seating.
Great video
Good job bro
I recently took a new VIA rail Siemens "Venture" (older Viaggios downgraded to US standards) train to Ottawa. I had the misfortune to be in the first car (cab car). They forgot to put the train horn on the outside of the car, so it is very loud at every rail crossing and there are many crossings. So hearing the bogie motors is likely much better. Another issue is whether the sound is mostly the wheels against tracks versus the actual motors. At one point in your video, it could have been just the wheels against rails. But at other points, obvious motors. CRRC likely underbid others to get contract and sound proofing llikely a victing of this.
Were they built i Europe? assembled in Europe? or shipped fully finished from China? Whenever a manufacturer has to build a new plant to eet "made in rules, expect lots of defects and problems early on because of customizations to the model and inexperienced workers.
Curious how much the interior is default CRRC, chosen by LEO, or Regiojet (depending on how finished they were at time Leo cancelled order).
At the moment the units are shipped fully finished from China. But CRRC is working on a new maintenance facility in Vienna.
i had love it, pretty nice train
Need this for my country, compact, nicely designed, form follow function.
For city commute is very decent.
I am really impressed. What a nice station there. I live in Bangladesh. If we have this type of railway station
I am really impressed that you were impressed by such a raggedy station. You really should visit my country to see what a modern railway station looks like.
Nice video
We once took an overnight train ride from Shanghai to Beijing, the bed and the train ride was very comfortable. We also took an overnight Amtrak train ride here in the US, the reclining seat was very uncomfortable, the ride made a lot of noise, sometimes it felt and sounded like train was about to derail.
Nice video 🎉🎉
I am Chinese and for 10 years I have taken the high-speed rail several days every month to a city 1,000 km away, but I have never had any problem with the noise, the high-speed rail in China is very quiet, both internal and external noise. BTW, great video, great view along the way.
说中国坏话，是流量。😂
@@user-bm5tc4bb8v 是台湾人香港人海外靠反华讨饭华人，知冇？
慢慢的看出来的了西方人的心理防线。不再有公允的自信，开始显露出本性。让他们接受中国比自己强的多还是得慢慢来。
As Indonesian who recently taken CRRC cr350 or Whoosh as we Indonesian know it, it was quiet and buttery smooth. I hope it performance will last long, as the product got very good initial impression.
Looks good. Hopefully I can try it in the future.
Ultimately, CRRC is looking to expand markets. We've seen this in the automobile industry. To be considered an option would be goal achieved..
Their cars are #1 self combustion category. 😂
@@PenskePC17 Less waste on the planet can be used as a sales pitch too.. 🤭🤭
yeesh, good luck.
Yeah we'll see how their newer Westbahn units handle before giving a bigger judgement. I hear trains running in South America and within mainland china built by CRRC are quite good, but I also hear that quality can vary a lot depending on which CRRC factory the train is built at. The best regarded facility is afaik CRRC Sifang, however both the Sirius and the Westbahn EMU's are built at CRRC Zhuzhou which is not as well regarded for quality.
@@drdewott9154 the high speed trains are just rebadged Bombardier and Hitachis, I'd imagine many of the regional trains are just copies, too.
Nice video ❤❤❤
Very interesting. Platform level boarding is good to see.
Westbahn also has ordered new emu's from CRRC. Then it will be possible to check if this are company youth problems or will be the "signature".
Gossips about the cancellation when the takeover of Renfe in Leo Express; this was some kind of protection to the two renfe's prrefered bidders: Caf and Talgo.
Around that time Renfe ordered 280 trainsets from Alstom and Stadler plus 120 from CAF. The cancellation of the order is CRRC's failure.
To think that I'm 1.91 tall, I can't imagine how uncomfortable I would be in those seats (second and standing)...
I'm 1.98 tall, it's not that bad but probably because I'm used to uncomfortable seating on airplanes.
Maybe you stop turning into a Super Saiyan before boarding the train, genius? /s
They look like spirt airline 😂
I can confirm that it is very uncomfortable, I'm also 1.91m tall
@@Grahzzyvtvlog thats because they are
Amazing Train 🚊 Wonderful 👍
From Wikipedia on Leo Express: "However, in April 2022, reports emerged that Leo Express had cancelled its contract with CRRC, after undergoing two years of testing but failing to achieve certification based on European TSI regulations to allow operation"
I have to assume CRRC spent 2022 and 2023 fixing the train to get certification or managed to get a Czech-only permit to operate for those 4 months and those trains would never leave country. Inability to deliver a train that meets EU standards is not good image for CRRC.
Note: Nippo Sharyo had gotten big order for Amtrak divisions in California and Midwest and was unable to downgrade its trains to FRA standards so at last minute, Siemens came in with offer to sell some of its Charget (diesel) locos and the Venture cars which it had already downgraded to US standards for Brightline. Despite this, these took a very long time to get working properly.
Out of the curious, what was a downgrade for FRA and US standards?
Until 2018, the FRA was still stuck with 1950s technology/standards (mostly to help Budd win contracts). This is why the current Acella are heavy steel, with individual bogies. After Amtrak placed order for the new Avells, the FRA relented and allowed aluminium shells, jacobs bogies for trains that don't meet freight. The Viaggios were converted to venture well before that. The other aspect is that of "Made in America" and this measn all the tested components of the original model are replaced with american-made compionenst from new suplier and for which the train was not designed. So the end result is a totally new train that needs new testing, debiugging and of course certification. @@Jenci
Another example: Amtrak Cascades. They got an exemption from FRA to get mdoern Talgo trains (aliminium shells, jacobs bogies etc). But when time came to place a second order, they required it be made in America and made of steel. After the derailment, politicians intervened and Amtrak forced to retire the modern Talgos (which performed well in derailment to maintain shape etc) but allowed to keep the few heavy steel ones they had because "made in america". The heavy steel demand has proven ineffective due to the numebr of Amfleet derailments where an Amfleet car found itself wrapped around a telephone pole. This steel requiremenet is more than likely to support US steel industy. There is currently similar process for Brightline West which is meant to be true high speed but won't be if FRA gets involved. Politicians want to impose ancient US signaling from WABTEC which can't support high speed instead of allowing world standard ETCS systems @@Jenci
@@jfmezei Oh, thanks for the answer. It is interesting, as if they wanted a home-made train's material instead of an imported train material, similar to an 25-year import ban on automotive vehicles. Pretty sucks to hear that US poor and outdated standards.
US standards are done for extremely long and heavy freight trains, not for passenger trains and they expect passenge trains to survive collision with such a freight train. But there is a lot of protectionism to protect US firms, but those firms cater to ancient tech freight market and don't supply modern stuff. @@Jenci
Beautiful
I am also a fan of Regiojet trains and the app. Have used this private operator on various trips on the Prague-Bratislava-Budapest route. By the way, I am a Brit with lots of links in Central Europe.
nice video ❤
CRRC is a top-tier trainset manufacturer. It's up to the customer to specify and commit to the level of comfort they want to pay for. What a great video. I've just returned from Seoul, and found their metro trains fantastic. In Australia, Sydney contracted a Spanish-built lite rail. The trainset suffered structural failures during acceptance testing, cracking down the center of the carriages. This was remedied by the manufacturers, and now Sydney has a wonderful lite rail through the city.
It's not only the sound proofing which needs to be better, the rattling door is caused by vibrations which come from the wheels or bogies, seems dampers are not properly doing their work.
Then the mechanism of the door itself needs to be better to get all play out, for instant spring loaded rollers or rubber silence blocks have to be fitted. I think it sits on plain rollers now and is able to move around in the recess where it slides in when it opens.
It has its reasons why these are cheaper than Stadler or Siemens.
As I've been commenting elsewhere, I think there may be more to this story that you and I do not know.
It sounds to me extremely strange that CRRC would go out of its way to specifically build a crappy train for Europe.
There are 100s of thousands of trains in China, and NONE of them have the problem described in this video!
I highly recommend you to go and check them out for yourself.
Assuming those trains are ALSO created by CRRC, it seems very strange that this would happen.
I think there HAS TO BE more to the story.
the vibration and noise comes from how good is the track, is it level? is it aligned and have good transitions? is it stable? etc. etc.
@@rap3208 I travelled on this line in other trains and no issues with vibrations and noise, the track is well maintained.
It's like a car, vibrations can arise on a smooth road surface when there are issues with the tyres, bearings , bushings or dampers.
@@Tom-LahayeCRRC manufactures trains that run at 350 km/h on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure they know how to make proper bogies. For their slower trains, Singapore use a lot of them. They're one of the countries that have high-standards.
Great Video
nice video ❤❤❤
I see that Elbe was flooding on that day. As for the trains, when I remember the kind of fifty years old Eastern German scrap the Czech Railways used to send on this line, then everything is better, trust me!
11:35 very good table design, I'd say. There's some structural integrity to that support perhaps, unlike the typical table that flexes when I type on a laptop, because it hangs on a hinge thinner than my pinky finger.
Merci pour cette vidéo!
As it happens, I just today rode on a CRRC car, on the Boston subway. The MBTA had quite an ordeal with CRRC getting delivery, which was delayed time and again. Feature-wise, it's pretty reasonable but with some unfortunate design elements, like rock-hard seats that slip/n/slide la derrière. While you were happy with your business class seat, it seems to me, with the table hemming it in on the side, that if you carry a bit of excess avoirdupois it could be quite uncomfortable.
I believe the specs of the interior design and seats were determined by the customer, not the manufacturer. The manufacturer might propose something to match the budget, but the end decision was up to the customer.
Hard seats means it’s cheaper and easier to maintain.
@@Alex-pj8nz ...and a lot more sanitary. Cloth finishes breed bugs, ticks and once they're in there, will be hard to sanitize. Stains, dirt and other messes also will be easy to remove.
I'm sure they blamed the chinese manufacturer on the delay, really easy to do on someone halfway around the world unaware of what you are saying about them. Do you listen to politicians, they blame everything to China, really very convenient to do to cover up their ineptness.
Actually an exciting multiple unit, but what I have already seen in the electric installations at CRRC makes me doubt its long-term usability. We see this well in the USA, where Siemens has simply given AMTRAK usable, reliable vehicles. In itself, however, the Leo is a nice train and I say that as a Siemens employee. In the end, CRRC lacks German expertise for the 100% at the end. We will see how well Regiojet likes the trains once they are 10 years old. Thank you for the exciting video
The train sure looks neat. And was quite. Let them complete the testing just to put it through it's passes quality test. Needs to last at least 30 years. Thank you for sharing.
In Singapore, I am riding Kawasaki Heavy Industries & CRRC Qingdao Sifang T251 driverless train to / from office almost everyday. So far it is good experiences.
Would you cover the review of high speed services in Japan and China in the future? Honestly, regional commuter trains are not CRRC's area of expertise, although they are catching up. Similar seating configuration can be found on some of the latest CR400BF-Z series business class, 1-1 lie flat suite with doors.
He won't cover Chinese high speed rail, because it will crash the Frenchman's ego. LOL
Thanks for sharing Cheers from overseas the United States
Work in progress, if they last 4 years we could compare them to the Transpennine Nova 2? in the U.K. I have never been on them myself but the whole fiasco is to be expected in the U.K. where if something works get rid and buy something that does not. As a commuter train maybe but for me, just like the Hitachi units, not for distance work.
Great video! I also enjoyed the business class, although, as mentioned in your video, it was quite noisy. The seats in LC class were bad bc they were very hard and i also didnt like the table😂 However, the standing seats weren't too bad. On this route, where passengers travel between stations in roughly 10 minutes, it's manageable (but certainly not for longer trips). I recorded my video in Czech without subtitles but included some shots from the train driver's cabin. So, feel free to check it out if you're interested! 😊
Nice job❤❤❤❤
Have you identified the noise source?
Suspension? Wheels? Track? Does track service other trains with different noise levels?
If this is only a demo train, please make another evaluation after the final deliverable accepted. Thank you.
First impressions: Very clean station, no graffiti on trains : Congrats and the train looks and o well.
Super fantastic good video! Thumbs up 👍
在中国我们有一句话叫做“一分钱一分货”。中国的产品确实还有很多细节需要改善，我们自己也觉得很多产品质量不好，远远没有日本或者欧洲的产品那么好。但是确实价格便宜😂想要更好的产品自然更贵。据我所知。这家铁路公司是私营企业，他们要考虑到盈利的问题。选择中国的产品价格上肯定有优势，质量就一般般了。
Nice helpfull 🎉🎉🎉
4:19 I believe Kharkiv also ordered metro trains from CRRC but since the invasion that might have been cancelled or delayed
And the CRRC trams for Porto are already in service
The funny thing is that in Ukraine it is possible to produce the metro, passenger trains with locomotives, buses, and trams. The problem will only be with control systems (control of an asynchronous traction motor) and they will have to be imported from countries that have already mastered this, for example Germany.
However, our industry was deliberately destroyed. Because they didn’t want to buy domestic products (there were no funds for purchases). It’s easier to take out a loan and invest in the economies of developed countries of the European Union and Asia)
@@Bohdan_Medvedskyy Who is the “they”?
@@QuarioQuario54321 I'm sorry. Those who headed the management of railways and public transport.
I'm trying to picture how this turn-around is different from the Y track at Tampa [where the Amtrak simply backs into the station] such that this train benefits significantly from being double-ended...
nice video
I love that when european manufacturers make trains for asia, those trains feel very asian, and when asian manufacturers make trains for europe, those trains still feel very european
We have 150 Stadtler Flirt train sets in Norway. They don't make as much noise, have a much better and larger toilet and have proper chairs and legroom. That was quite uncomfortable to watch. We have now ordered 56 new Alstrom local trains with an option for a total of 200. They are even quieter and have good chairs and plenty of space for most things.
Yeah this train is quite terrible but what is the context of your comment? This is just a test train run by a private operator Regiojet. ČD (Czech national operator) ordered many trains from Siemens branded as Interjet/Comfortjet so we will probably have even nicer long-distance trains than Norway in a year or two.
Stadler made good train.
mostly it is because of the rail not the train itself. China produced the best rail and train in the world. many foreigner made the coin test on the high speed train running in 350kmh and the coin stands. try it in your country and see...
😂 if your country is rich enough, we can upgrade your crap railways in to standard Chinese high speed railway system which enable you to stand coins on a train travelling at the speed of 350-400km/h.
@@DescendantofYellowEmperor I love China's way of building - something is simple and not so high quality - but you can do that too. Nothing would please me more if we could get a few thousand to build out the railway in Norway. Money is not the problem in Norway - we are the only country in the world to have 10 state budgets in liquid funds. China has built some great bridges in Norway and they are absolutely amazing. The problem here is people. We have jobs soo we need more people.
1:06 - The "Elbe" River should be labelled the "Labe River" at Ústí nad Labem. Odd that Google maps calls it the "Elbe" within the Czech Republic. It becomes the Elbe after crossing into Germany.
Frankly, I'd definitely use these standing seats, if you can call them like that, for e.g. 1h trip. Even for health reasons it might be reasonable to stand a bit longer
13:45 Wow, you even get a free Dubstep show! The Chinese sure know how to spoil their customers.
Standing seats when Business is a 1+1 configuration? what are they thinking about?
Like many chinese made products, there are cheaper... for a reason.
It's obviously custom made to Regiojet's requirement, no trains in China has this layout
@@impranksterw9145 of course. my comment was about average quality of the train itself.
one thing that you didn't notice is that in the business class behind seat 1 there is still plastic peel from the factory 😂. I also kinda hate RegioJet for not paying for their employees' uniforms so they just wear reflective vests. Even though their uniforms look quite nice.
As a student, CRRC is not an expert in manufacturing commuter trains. Or maybe a budget cut due to Leo Express?
Yet, in High Speed Railway field, as a follower of European Manufactures and after the authorized copy of Siemens，Alstom，Bombardier and Kawasaki, the quietness and smooth of the train is quite acceptable.
It's funny that CRRC's trains in local Chinese market are very well made, with great stability under ultra-high speed and pretty good sound proofing.
do not listen to this guy, only go there and experience, you know people try to get eyeball attracting, by just making up
@@xinyiquan666 Well the video let us hear some issues, when it comes to soundproofing...
@@DR_1_1 what issue? you are not on the train, how could you hear anything?
@@xinyiquan666 The video comes with something called "sound"... in case you missed that point, some maintenance on your computer (or hears) might be in order! ...and it's not pretty at some points!
@@DR_1_1 that means either you have hearing issue or your computer do not have maintenance, or u do not have any schooling, so go find one
..... Europe already have Siemens, Alstom & Talgo, then why did they order form CRRC?
Saving money
Spy activity for CCP obviously
Why not? It's a global market remember 🤷♂️
Because they cant order from India 😂
- Traditional push-pull locomotives can do this turn about just fine as long as they have cab-car on the rear. I'm sure the issue is that Regiojet is just too cheap to make that improvement (if it's not already in use).
- Step free access - except there's a slight step behind the gap filler.
- I think it might be a CRRC thing to cut corners and include super hard seats for non-business environments. Not a 1:1 comparison, but I've ridden on a few CRRC metro trains in the US when they're not actively on fire and they're all weirdly uncomfortable in an environment you're already not expecting any sort of comfort.
15:06 I don't like that awful train. But the video is 5 stars